First cycle mapped out and on the way.

[Dk]

Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
Dbol @ 20mg/Daily (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20 starting 2 weeks after last injection.

Gonna be Averaging about 4000 Cals a day
About 300g of protein

Side supplements will be Green tea, Omegas, Purple K Creatine, Glutamine, Whey, and a multi


Just got back from Western Union about 5 minutes ago :)

[leeroy]

Looks like a good basic cycle. Should give you good gains.

[Dk]

thanks alot, im pretty excited.

was gonna do with 40mg of dbol a day, but i figured id ease in, since im extremely prone to bloating

[leeroy]

I usually do 30mg's dbol but I'm sure 20mg's would be good too.

[bmorlock]

looks like a good first one bro

[spankmonkey]

Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
Dbol @ 20mg/Daily (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20 starting 2 weeks after last injection.

Gonna be Averaging about 4000 Cals a day
About 300g of protein

Side supplements will be Green tea, Omegas, Purple K Creatine, Glutamine, Whey, and a multi


Just got back from Western Union about 5 minutes ago :)

Of the 4000 cal what would the breakdown be? How tall and what is your current weight? I only ask cause that seems like alot of calories, depending on how much lean mass you are feeding. Which begs the question are you calculating calories on total weight or lean mass weight?

[The Terminator]

Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/wk (weeks 1-12)
Dbol @ 20mg/Daily (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20 starting 2 weeks after last injection.

Gonna be Averaging about 4000 Cals a day
About 300g of protein

Side supplements will be Green tea, Omegas, Purple K Creatine, Glutamine, Whey, and a multi


Just got back from Western Union about 5 minutes ago :)

Dbol is fine at 20mg, but why the classic weeks 1 - 4 for it? Why nto actually use it when it makes more sense, as the long esters of the Test E start to work around week 4.

Sure, you could always "kick off" a cycle with dbol and get all bloated in the first 4 weeks, and get off of it just as the Test E starts to get to peak blood serum level, or you could use it after week 4 when androgren blood serum levels are highest. ;)

Just some food for thought.

Matt

PS - PCT should be 4 weeks 40/30/20/20 :)

[Testa]

looks good buddy. Good gains to ya

[Dk]

Dbol is fine at 20mg, but why the classic weeks 1 - 4 for it? Why nto actually use it when it makes more sense, as the long esters of the Test E start to work around week 4.

Sure, you could always "kick off" a cycle with dbol and get all bloated in the first 4 weeks, and get off of it just as the Test E starts to get to peak blood serum level, or you could use it after week 4 when androgren blood serum levels are highest. ;)

Just some food for thought.

Matt

PS - PCT should be 4 weeks 40/30/20/20 :)

Takin this into serious thought, i think i might start the dbol 2 weeks into cycle

[gustavo77]

Very nice first cycle. 20mg of d-bol is a great starting dose... I too like to start my orals 2-3 weeks in. My reasons are slightly different though. If i take orals before the long estered test kicks in i seen to get lethargic and my libido/performance wanes. Orals seem to shut me down very quickly, long before a long estered test can increase my test levels. If i take my oral a few weeks in when the test is already working, i do not experience any of these sides.

[Dk]

Very nice first cycle. 20mg of d-bol is a great starting dose... I too like to start my orals 2-3 weeks in. My reasons are slightly different though. If i take orals before the long estered test kicks in i seen to get lethargic and my libido/performance wanes. Orals seem to shut me down very quickly, long before a long estered test can increase my test levels. If i take my oral a few weeks in when the test is already working, i do not experience any of these sides.

So in other words, starting the dbol later in may also control Gyno effects?

[gustavo77]

So in other words, starting the dbol later in may also control Gyno effects?

No...taking d-bol with test will actually lead to higher serum estrogen levels.

What happens is, when you take an oral it will start to shut down your natural test almost immediately, so after a few days test levels will be lower and the effects of low test, ie lethargy, libido/performance issues etc, will start to occur. Now sides will be more pronounced in some but they do indeed occur. When you take testosterone however, these side effects do not occur because even though the synthetic test is shutting down your natural test production, it is also replacing your natural test and providing your body with the same benefits.

So if you wait a few weeks for the test to work when you take your orals, the synthetic test will replace your own and prevent any low-test sides from the oral.

Hope this is clear??

[DirtyWhiteBoy]

Dbol is fine at 20mg, but why the classic weeks 1 - 4 for it? Why nto actually use it when it makes more sense, as the long esters of the Test E start to work around week 4.

Sure, you could always "kick off" a cycle with dbol and get all bloated in the first 4 weeks, and get off of it just as the Test E starts to get to peak blood serum level, or you could use it after week 4 when androgren blood serum levels are highest. ;)

Just some food for thought.

Matt

PS - PCT should be 4 weeks 40/30/20/20 :)I like it right at the start, it gives you awesome pumps and gets your strength boosted in just the first week, this "jumpstarts" your growing as you wait for the longer acting esters to do their thing, I have always used it right from day one for the next three to four weeks and find it the best way to start a cycle (I have always run dbol/sustanon or omnadren cycles). I always thought the main reason to use dbol was to get things going right away and have always loved the pumps dbol gives me, I just "feel good" when im running dbol, I would advise running it right from the first day it will let you train alot harder than you normally could in the first week.

[The Terminator]

I like it right at the start, it gives you awesome pumps and gets your strength boosted in just the first week, this "jumpstarts" your growing as you wait for the longer acting esters to do their thing, I have always used it right from day one for the next three to four weeks and find it the best way to start a cycle (I have always run dbol/sustanon or omnadren cycles). I always thought the main reason to use dbol was to get things going right away and have always loved the pumps dbol gives me, I just "feel good" when im running dbol, I would advise running it right from the first day it will let you train alot harder than you normally could in the first week.

There's only one thing wrong with this theory - it's not really kick starting anything.

Sure, with dbol and sust it will be a slightly different story, since sust kicks in a bit quicker and reaches maximum blood plasma levels sooner, but that's still not till beginning week 3 of the cycle when the long esters of it kick in.

The best way to start a cycle is actually when the cycle really starts - when the test you're running hits the highest blood androgen levels. For sust, assuming you're shooting E3D, you're still not reaching it till day 16 and later.

Let's ask this? How many have had success from a dbol only cycle, and kept all those waterbound gains and strength? That's what I thought. ;)

With the OP's plan, he is using Test E, which we know is just starting to reach max levels in late week 3/early week 4. Why run what is essentially a dbol only cycle for the first 4 weeks, just to "start" a cycle? The question I pose is this - when does the cycle really begin? When you start injecting, or when plasma levels reach peak?

Matt

[tex]

^^ start dbol week 3 or 4.......split the test e injections up into 2 weekly doses.......