Alternatives to Tren

[vanskelig]

I've started a Tren cycle. Initially it was suppose to be 50mg ED but it caused massive insomnia, so I figured, lets just up it and see how bad it is? So I took it to 100mg ED and now I have massive insomnia, high BP and no appetite. Needless to say, I cannot keep going.

Suggestions for alternatives?

The other choice I have is to just stop the cycle (I am only 2 weeks in) and do a PCT and then restart at a later date with different compounds.

[jack_krauser]

What are you looking to achieve?

[YYZgeddylee]

increasing the dosage is rarely the solution to side effects...lol

Tren is not for everyone.
If you dont have other compounds on hand that you can continue a cycle with
then your only real option would be stop tren and start pct...right?

Can we assume that the goal of this tren-only cycle is primarily strength ?

[YYZgeddylee]

i'm confused
are you running a tren cycle or the cycle you mention in this thread ??
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?22632-cycle-help&p=430858#post430858

[vanskelig]

increasing the dosage is rarely the solution to side effects...lol

Tren is not for everyone.
If you dont have other compounds on hand that you can continue a cycle with
then your only real option would be stop tren and start pct...right?

Can we assume that the goal of this tren-only cycle is primarily strength ?

Strength and lean mass. I have dbol, winstrol (this is not an option as my bones feel like shit, every single time), and anadrol on hand.

[jack_krauser]

I would go with Anavar/Npp for that matter.

[Praetorian]

Strength and mass and no test? 100mg ED of tren is complete over kill of season...no more then 100mg EOD is needed. I would suggest adding some long ester test which would also make you feel better and drop the tren down to 75mg EOD and see how you feel.
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[vanskelig]

Sorry, I didn't give a complete picture. It's 100mg Tren ED and 100mg Prop ED. I have nothing going on this week, so I am going to try your advice and see how it plays out.

[Praetorian]

Bump the prop to 150mg EOD...drop tren to 75mg EOD.
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[tex]

try using a sleep aide....i like tranquil sleep by natural factors....its got l-theanine,5htp and melatonin....there is not substitue for tren.....i <3 tren

[jack_krauser]

I have run tren ace upto 100mg eod without any sides except pimples here and there. Honestly, i am in love with tren and imo best recomp compound if you are eating properly.

[vanskelig]

I"m pretty opposed to taking more drugs for drugs I already take. Just seems like an endless spiral.

[tex]

well then...if youve got a girl then hop on her before bed or rub one out.....always gets me relaxed

[Praetorian]

I have run tren ace upto 100mg eod without any sides except pimples here and there. Honestly, i am in love with tren and imo best recomp compound if you are eating properly.

Yes you may have run it at that dose...and some run it higher for a comp but that doesnt mean its sound advice or a even necessary. Many people run all kinds of stuff and really silly cycles without issue in the short term...based on misinformation and ignorance...but thats not usually the best idea.
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[jack_krauser]

Yes you may have run it at that dose...and some run it higher for a comp but that doesnt mean its sound advice or a even necessary. Many people run all kinds of stuff and really silly cycles without issue in the short term...based on misinformation and ignorance...but thats not usually the best idea.
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I totally agree. I saw tremendous results running 300mg/week with 500mg test. No need to go higher to see results to be honest.

[Praetorian]

The dosage is usually dependent on a variety of factors...ie goals, previous cycle history, total cycle dosage etc. The dosage say for a National level BB will be different than for an MMA athlete or a track athlete...or PL for that matter. You have to look at the big picture as well as the risk/reward ratio.
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[vanskelig]

As an update; lower the dosage cured the insomnia but still left lingering side effects such as high BP (162/105) and anxiety. I've dropped it and swore it off forever!