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Praetorian
03-04-2012, 11:46 PM
Great article by Chris Aceto.
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Everybody has heard it at some time or another "You're over training! That's why you're not making serious gains". But, do we understand what it means? I mean really understand what it means? Once you understand how to keep your body fresh and free from over training, you'll make some serious mass/strength gains.
Over training means the body is being put under greater stress than it can handle; it's that simple. Any additional stress that is above and beyond what your own body can handle will result in a failure to recover and grow. It follows that you could be fairly dedicated, training with a routine you believe to be a well thought out approach to getting big; yet fail to move ahead and grow if your body is over trained. The real let down with overtraining is that you won't grow regardless of nutrition! If you are in an over trained state, muscle growth and recovery comes to a dead-stop no matter how much you pump your body with protein, carbs, creatine, glutamine and/or essential fatty acids.
The intangible part of over training is that it varies greatly from person to person. Stress adaptation is the body's ability to deal with and recover from hardcore training. This is different for every bodybuilder out there; just as the metabolism will vary from person to person. We all know people who can eat a lot of junk and get away with it, while others seem to blow up when they marginally overeat. With training, you have to discover and hone what your body can handle and what it can't handle. Once you strike the right balance, the gains will come rather easily. With regards to overtraining and how it varies from person to person, let me tell you about a retired top pro I used to consult with. This pro frequently performed at least 20 to 24 sets for larger body parts and 15 or so for smaller body parts, taking each and every set to total failure. Every training partner he hooked up with never grew, ending up completely over trained while the pro continued to grow. Before you assume "Yea that's because all those pro's use anabolic steroids", I can tell you this pro trained clean (yes, drug free for the majority of the year) and very often his training partners were not drug free. There are several lessons to be learned from this anecdote:
1) What's too much for one individual may not be for another.
2) If you over train and hit the body too hard without adequate rest and recovery, you won't make gains even if you take steroids!
I always said, this particular pro made it to the pro ranks on hard work and exceptional recovery ability.
One of the dumbest things that I have ever heard is that "There's no such thing as over training, just under eating". The idea is so far off the mark and ill advised, I don't even want to spend much time with it. The fact is, nutrition can only support the body so far. When exercise stress exceeds your body's own tolerance for recovery, you go back wards. You don't grow; even if you are eating a lot.
When Dorian Yates burst onto the scene, he followed up on the ideas formulated by Tom Platz and Mike Mentzer years earlier. Dorian's take on things was consistent with Tom and Mike's which was that most bodybuilders fail to grow because they train with too many sets (known as volume) and usually train too frequently. This can be characterized by training everyday or not taking enough rest days. Platz, Mentzer and Dorian were right. When you train too much, you don't grow. However, Mentzer fell into the trap that "If more is not better than less – even far less may be radically better." So the pendulum shifted from heavy volume to far fewer sets. Suddenly, bodybuilders were doing 6 sets for chest or 8 to 10 sets for back which in my opinion is not enough to optimally stimulate growth. To understand why their approach may have been a little bit overboard, here's brief note on physiology. Building muscle relies on the weight you use. Pretty simple, right? If you can perform a set of barbell curls with 150 pounds, you'll stimulate far more growth than using only 100 pounds. No matter how you cut it, the weight you use is critically important in stimulating the muscle growth. After the weight comes volume or the total number of sets you perform. Volume influences muscle growth. If you do not perform enough sets, you'll fail to trigger growth. If you get carried away and do too many, you'll over train and also fail to grow. So you have to find a balance, a happy medium.
BUT CHRIS, WHERE IS THE HAPPY MEDIUM??!?
It depends on a number of factors, but here are some guidelines to help you sidestep the pitfalls of overtraining.
1) The More Sets You Perform, the Better
Just as the greater the weight you handle, the better in terms of muscle recruitment; the more sets you do, the greater you'll work a muscle. The thing you really have to distinguish is where to stop. To illustrate the point, just ask yourself is three sets of bicep curls really better than one? Of course, the answer is yes. Is five better than three. Most likely. Is 7 better than five? The point where you have to stop or the point where more sets are no longer helping is typically where you lose the "feel" or "pump" in the muscle or where your poundages start to drop. For example, Victor Martinez can't do 20 straight sets of standing barbell curls with 120 pounds. After the sixth set, he will no longer be able to use 120 pounds. If he was aiming to do 8 to 10 reps per set, after set number five, six or seven, the weight he can handle will drop off quite a bit meaning it's time to move onto another exercise. When you reach a point where the poundage starts to fade, that's it. For some people like a beginner or intermediate that might be 2 to 3 sets while for someone like Victor it might be 5 to 6 sets. It's important to listen to your body and move on when you need to. If you lose a pump, move on. When your poundages drop and you can't handle the same heavy weight for each continuous set, move on to another exercise!
2) Speed Of Reps Count
The speed or perceived speed at which you move a weight influences how many sets you can do. Outside of the weight and total number of sets you perform, the speed at which you drive a weight has an influence on growth and can determine your own personal threshold for over training within each training session. Moving a weight fast, with speed and aggression, is far better for growth than moving a weight with a slow and even speed. That's because in trying to "drive a weight" with the intensity of a bullet coming out of a gun, a far greater number of muscle fibers come into play than simply moving the weight with a slow cadence. Slow training, in my opinion, is a gimmick and has no real place in mass building plans. If you want to grow, you should pick a heavy weight and drive the weight while maintaining good form. Of course when you drive a weight, there's not going to be a lot of momentum created because when you overload the muscle with a heavy weight, the poundage radically cuts down on the creation of momentum. In overloading a muscle with a heavy weight and driving the weight by pushing it fast rather than super slow, you physiologically create the greatest amount of stress on the muscle as possible. One way to discover whether you are about to do too much is by getting in touch with your ability to drive a weight. If you go into the gym and there's no oomph to the muscle and you can't explode or drive the first few sets of an exercise (after warming up of course) you are already over trained. Get out of the gym! On the other hand, if there is a lot of snap in the muscle – you can drive those heavy weights and you feel powerful, obviously you are not overtraining and should proceed with the workout.
3) Frequency Counts
Another factor influences recovery is training frequency. For the most part, I believe you have to train a muscle once every 5 to 8 days. In general, if you train a body part more frequently – for instance, training chest every fourth day – you won't grow due to over training. On the other hand, if you wait more than 8 days, you'll also fail to grow. In this case not by over training but by failing to train frequently enough. You see, the muscles grow by stimulating them, then resting. If you rest too long – waiting too many days before hitting the same muscle group for another workout, the stress on the body appears to be too great which overwhelms the recovery process leading to a lack of growth. Let's put it this way, imagine training legs on Monday and then again on Wednesday. The time in between is too short, so you over train. Now try training them for a second time 10 –12 days after the first workout. What happens? The time between training is so long your legs become immensely sore the second time you train which can also trigger over training. You need balance, not too often and not too infrequent. To avoid over training, you'll need a training strategy that allows you to hit each body part once every 5 to 8 days with 7 to 8 being the ideal.
4) Too Many Days In a Row
If mass is the goal, you have to rest. Many bodybuilders won't be able to train more than two consecutive days – or at least should not train for more than two consecutive days in a row – because training for more than two days usually causes hormonal changes that lead to over training. Typically, in an over training state, testosterone levels start to drop a little. In addition, you'll experience a small surge in cortisol levels. Cortisol is the stress hormone released from the adrenal cortex that sits just atop the kidneys and it increases in response to stress. In small amounts it actually contributes to anabolism – the building up in muscle tissue. However, when released in larger amounts, especially when testosterone levels drop even mildly, it tends to tear muscle down creating a catabolic scenario. I've found most bodybuilders can not train for more than two consecutive days in a row before having to take a day or rest. For most individuals, good gains can be realized following the 2 day on 1 day off system where half the body is trained in two days followed by a day of rest. Then the other half of the body is trained in two days followed by another day of rest. In fact, even following this approach many (hard training) bodybuilders and athletes could risk slipping into a state of over training. Chronically, even the one day off becomes inefficient at facilitating recovery. The next logical step is to incorporate another day off after 3 cycles of following the 2 on 1 off system. For example, after cycling through 2 on, 1 off where you train all the body parts at least one time, repeat this for three cycles then incorporate another day off.
Day 1 – Chest & Biceps
Day 2 – Quads, Hamstrings & Calves
Day 3 – Rest
Day 4 – Back & Abs
Day 5 – Shoulders & Triceps
Day 6 – Rest
This is equal to one cycle. After going through three cycles, tag on another rest day such as follows
Day 1 – Chest & Biceps
Day 2 – Quads, Hamstrings & Calves
Day 3 – Rest
Day 4 – Rest
Day 5 – Back & Abs
Day 6 – Shoulders & Triceps
Day 7 – Rest
Day 8 – Rest
This added rest day can ensure you don't over train. At this point, you would go back to the original two on one off schedule.
5) Hormones Count
Some bodybuilders resort to shooting illegal anabolic steroids in hopes of adding mass. Illegal anabolic steroids help prevent over training – at least for a few weeks. The reason why is because it all boils down to the interplay of hormones: testosterone, thyroid, growth hormone and cortisol. Overtraining plays havoc with your own anabolic hormones – suppressing them – while dramatically increasing the circulation of catabolic hormones. In part 2, we'll take a closer look at hormones and what you can do naturally, from diet to supplements, to alter your hormonal status to help you overcome the perils of over training.

cog
04-04-2012, 07:55 AM
Mentzer would say if you needed more sets it was because you didn't bust your nuts on the primary sets.He also had a fondness for machines which may have made this easier at times.

cog
04-04-2012, 08:05 AM
I always felt five days were optimal to continue strength gains,six teetered on neutral and seven was struggling to repeat the previous performance.Jonny manages 9 days in between....

jack_krauser
04-04-2012, 09:12 AM
cog, what was your max lifts when you were young? I am fairly young and find 3-4 days best for strength training when i am going balls to walls on cycle. I used to train 5 days but it put too much stress on my body.

cog
04-04-2012, 12:24 PM
Nothing that would impress anybody here,I was natty except for a very short period around 92 to attempt treating an injury,I was a workaholic so they didn't mix well.275x12 close grip bench,315 x10 squat,405x5,dead,I'm not a big guy.If you can get a short nap in after your PWO shake it works wonders.

TT Eric
04-04-2012, 04:41 PM
Thanks again Prae for the thread. I do not agree with everything, but there is a few interesting thing!

Eric

cog
04-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Texas A&M experimented with the one set theory,trying for sufficient stimulus from one all out set per week,apparently with some success.They used one of those hip strap setups like Fred Hatfield used.The set had a number of variations,including negs with increased weight and stripping.

Many years ago I embarked on a test of Mentzers principles,I had employed them at a nautilus club with some success.I would use a cable preacher station,always the same reverse grip 20 rep warmup.Move the pin up a few to begin regular grip.One rep.Move the pin up one.One rep.So introducing the needed stimulus until the real set,one five rep max.Never missed the last rep,even if it took 20-30 seconds.One set wide grip standing bb curl,one narrow and that was it.

A year and a half and I worked up to the entire stack.Only guy that could match me was 285 with all abs visible.I say min sets can work with some bodyparts,if you have a good mind muscle connection under the right circumstances.

Praetorian
05-04-2012, 11:54 PM
The problem with so called 1 set training is that very very few people can sustain the necessary level of intensity to build any significant amount of muscle. As well those that do sustain it temporarily run into another issue which is CNS fatigue...even Dorian said if he could do things all over again he would not go all out each workout...he felt this lead to many of his injuries and eventually his retirement.
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Tazmanian
06-04-2012, 10:42 AM
Great article on overtraining but does not discuss the impact of any high intensity cardio. In order to minimize the time on cardio and maximize the fat burning benefit, I consistently aim at doing cardio at 85% of my max heart rate or approx 150bpm usually for 30 to 40 minute following my workout. I am wondering if these high itensity cardio sessions can be performed 5 days a week without any impact to natural test levels and contributing to overtraining... An opinions on this out there??

Praetorian
06-04-2012, 11:10 AM
Great article on overtraining but does not discuss the impact of any high intensity cardio. In order to minimize the time on cardio and maximize the fat burning benefit, I consistently aim at doing cardio at 85% of my max heart rate or approx 150bpm usually for 30 to 40 minute following my workout. I am wondering if these high itensity cardio sessions can be performed 5 days a week without any impact to natural test levels and contributing to overtraining... An opinions on this out there??

Not the best idea to maintain or build muscle or efficiently lose fat...here's why...
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To burn fat without losing muscle there are two options when it comes to cardio and they’re at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum.

You can either do very high intensity cardio (sprint) or you can very low intensity cardio (walk).

It’s the midrange stuff that presents a problem for most people.

When you hop on a machine and go at it with moderate-high intensity for 30-40 minutes you will get all of the negative effects associated with cardio (increased cortisol, muscle loss, overuse injuries, decreased power output- meaning you’ll be less explosive, etc.).

Why I Hate “Interval Training”

Many people know that traditional cardio sucks so they recommend intervals.

I personally hate intervals.

On a bike, stair climber, ski machine thingy and whatever else they stock Bally’s and Gold’s with these days…

Especially the rowing machine. Thirty minutes of repeated spinal flexion sounds fun but I think I’ll pass.

According to typical interval training prescriptions you’re supposed to push as hard as you can for 30 seconds followed by a lower intensity period of 90 seconds, or something along those lines.

No matter what anyone says that will also sap your power production because the lactic acid buildup is massive.

Lactic acid is the arch enemy of fast twitch muscle fibers.

Sprint to Lose Fat & Keep Your Muscle

A better option for intervals would be to rage against the machines and get outside and sprint.

But who do you know personally that can sprint for thirty seconds straight? That would be over 200 yards! Talk about an injury waiting to happen.

Yet that’s what interval training enthusiasts regularly advise their normal 40 year old office worker client to do.

To sprint for 30 seconds, followed by a 90 second rest period, over and over for 10-20 minutes straight is nearly impossible for most non-Olympians. And risky as hell.

If you want to sprint like a sprinter.

Not a nitwit.

Start Slowly

Start with short distances and slowly work your way up over time. Take adequate rest periods and slowly decrease them as you get in better shape.

If you’re an average dude it will take you in the neighborhood of five seconds to run a 40 yard sprint. And that would be a very far distance for your first time sprinting.

I’d recommend sticking with 20’s your first few weeks.

So instead of the silly recommendation of sprinting for 30 seconds straight I advise you to sprint for two or three seconds straight.

HUGE difference.

It’s funny that intelligent strength coaches who work with high level football players rarely let their athletes sprint at balls out intensity, 40 yards or more during the off season (because the risk of injury is too high), yet fitness trainers recommend that the average lay person head right out to the track and start running 100’s from day one.

People have got to be more responsible than that. It’ll take months to work up to that distance.

Assuming you are sprinting proper distances and taking care to be safe the next question is how long should you rest?

The truthful, nonspecific answer is… as long as you need to.

Keep track of it and try to improve over time. Everyone’s different.

That’s why when people ask me about specific guidelines for hill sprints I tell them I don’t know. I don’t know what kind of shape you are in and what hills you have available to you. Because you’re really limited by the hills you have.

If I told you that you should be sprinting for 15 seconds yet you could make it up the only hill in your neighborhood in eight seconds would you not sprint up the hill?

Don’t Over-Complicate It

You can’t always be a slave to exact prescriptions; sometimes you need to just man up and do work… son.

Your sets, reps, intervals, whatever, are based on your hill and your fitness level.

Now, eventually you may work your way up to being able to sprint your hill for 30 seconds, followed by a 90 second break and repeat that for 20 minutes straight.

So I guess you could say you’re doing intervals at that point. But who cares?

I call them hill sprints. Like Walter Payton did. If you’re sprinting on a football field or a track just say you’re sprinting.

Don’t actually say to anyone that you’re “doing intervals.” That’s so 2004 and so not cool.

If you had absolutely no other option, for whatever reason, than to do intervals on a bike I’d keep the sprints very short and the rest periods as long as necessary, removing almost all tension from the bike while cruising.

You really want to avoid that extreme lactic acid buildup if you want to maintain your power.

A Better Way to Do Interval Training

The best way to come close to traditional interval prescriptions is achieved by performing a variety of exercises such as swings, burpees, med ball slams, battling ropes, mountain climbers, etc. in a circuit.

Mixing it up prevents the massive accumulation of lactic acid in any one area and is far more beneficial than be locked into the versa climber for twenty minutes.

For athletic purposes I prefer to keep the intervals or work times/set duration lower than 30 seconds. Ten to twenty seconds would be a better idea for power athletes.

This type of “interval training” is often associated with the training of combat athletes.

Low Intensity Cardio

As far as the low intensity stuff goes you can walk with a sled, a light weighted vest, walk up hill, walk through the woods or trails or just walk the streets like Omar from The Wire.

Be sure to whistle The Farmer and the Dell to let the suckas know you’re coming.

The best time to do it is first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Try to keep your heart rate at around 65% of max for 30 minutes.

The nice thing about this is there is no negative effect at all. No cortisol, no muscle loss, nothing. And you start your day with some nice fresh air which is great for your health and your mind.

This should be done three times per week, minimum. This will help keep you lean while you’re in the process of trying to gain size and will also help you recover more efficiently.

The old days of bulking and cutting are dead.

A smarter approach is to include some high and low intensity cardio methods year round, skip the traditional cardio machines and never let yourself become an out of shape fat ass.

By Jason Ferruggia

tex
07-04-2012, 06:39 PM
P...great read as usual!