should cap - genetics ?

[Vitamin S]

are the shape of ones shoulders primarily determined by genetics.

there is a power lifter in my gym who only does should presses in adition to his pl routine, and he has the cap on his shoulders as if he probably does side lats with 100s,says he never does them?

if this is the case I think I might just drop them lol, mine respond well to pressing alone and I see little from doing them, either that or I need to go much heavier they just don't do anything anymore.

[Delt King]

The Delt King built his shoulders on laterals, laterals and more laterals. No presses. Genetics? i doubt it...many of my clients have dramatically improved "the capped" look by using proper form. (i've only seen excellent form a few times in my 20 plus years in the gym). i would say laterals are the most messed up exercise i see people doing.

Every time i see people doing them i want to say....:nonono:nonono:nonono!!!!!!

[Praetorian]

Yes the shape of you body is determined by genetics...you can train a muscle to make it larger and use different exercises to make sure it is hit from many angles to balance development but you cannot change the shaoe of a muscle. The insertion and origin of the muscle does not change unless you surgically change it...ie tear a bicep and have it reattached closer to the elbow in essence changing the overall bicep shape. Most go too heavy on lateral raise anyway and never really train the lateral head...I would suggest lighten the load and do lateral seated...this forces you too train the exercise correctly. There are many opinions when it comes to shape but even Dorian admitted when asked did he improve his upper chest by doing primarily inclines...his answer NOT AT ALL...he said if you want an improved upper chest that will only happen by building the entire chest... focusing incline may stimulate this area slightly more but it doesnt translate into a larger upper chest overall.
Also there is a difference between having wide clavicles which gives the illusion of bigger wider shoulders and larger lateral deltoids.

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[JonnyO]

I rarely do pressing for shoulders, I do mainly side lateral variations, some front raises here and there and a TON of rear delt work which I think is the most neglected body part when it comes to shoulder training for many people trying to develop the shoulders. How many people have you seen over developed rear delts? none. I believe that when they grow they will also help push the lateral sides out giving you are great look from not only the sides but front as well. And you dont have to go heavy to work them either, I have a torn labrum and it limits how much weight I can handle on my left side so I find ways to work around it to blast the crap out the them and it has worked quite well for me.

[cog]

The Delt King built his shoulders on laterals, laterals and more laterals. No presses. Genetics? i doubt it...many of my clients have dramatically improved "the capped" look by using proper form. (i've only seen excellent form a few times in my 20 plus years in the gym). i would say laterals are the most messed up exercise i see people doing.

Every time i see people doing them i want to say....:nonono:nonono:nonono!!!!!!

What's the magic rep range DK?

[Delt King]

What's the magic rep range DK?

I usually stick to 8-12 reps on everything i do. When doing delts and concentrating your efforts on the medial and posterior heads rather than anterior (front) the workouts are much different. There's very little, if any inroads made into your CNS and therefore i do much higher volume of sets without compromising my ability to recover. It's not uncommon for me to do 20-30 plus sets for medial delts alone. Rest times again are much quicker as they tend to recover much quicker then chest/back/leg work. I wish i could video my workout tonight to show you guys but i'm not that kind of douchebag lol. I'll do that after i get my pro card.

[cog]

IIRC,your starting position is behind the back?

[Praetorian]

Laterals are integral for dealt work yes..but dont count pressing out...it is invaluable just ask Ben Pakulski, Branch Warren, Evan Centopani, Ronnie Coleman, Dorian Yates, all avid pressers with crazy delt development. The key is to press correctly with full range of motion to the front of the head.
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[TT Eric]

There are many opinions when it comes to shape but even Dorian admitted when asked did he improve his upper chest by doing primarily inclines...his answer NOT AT ALL...he said if you want an improved upper chest that will only happen by building the entire chest... focusing incline may stimulate this area slightly more but it doesnt translate into a larger upper chest overall.

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Weird, cause when I was a young trainer I did flat benches for years and had a really lacking upper chest, so my first trainer made me work a specialized routine for the upper chest only for 3 months and we clearly saw a huge difference in the upper part, from very little to something to show off, lower pec grew a bit as well in that time I think!

And it happen that yesterday, I switched my flat dumbbells training for incline neutral grip and today I'm really sore only very specifically in the upper part, mostly the part near the shoulders (and a bit into the front shoulders too meaning my stance was a bit too large even with neutral grip) but not at all anywhere else in the chest.

Eric

[Praetorian]

Ive seen that alot...mostly with people that are basically front delt benching which is what many call the bodybuilding bench press. Once you shift the stress by creating an arch using leg drive etc youll notice much better overall pec development. The bench press gets a bad rap in bodybuilding circles alot because it is not performed correctly and people get injured or lack development and then blame the exercise. What Dorian is saying which is true is it doesnt matter what exercise you do the chest muscle either is activated or it isnt...there is no such thing as activating only upper chest, or inner chest etc. By changing the angle you can direct more of the stress to a specific region ie upper chest but the entire muscle is still being activated...ie you will still get overall development.
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