Summer Cutting Cycle Critique

[mk224]

Hey big fella, just thought I'd get your advice on my cutting cycle. I finished my first cycle in january which was test (500mg/week) and dbol. Now Im thinking of leaning out at dropping down to sub 10% body fat with the right training and diet. Currently I am 13-14% bodyfat so the situations pretty bad but its been getting better since I started cycling carbs and cut out all sugary foods. The cycle Im planning on running mid april is test e 250mg/week and winstrol 50mg ed for last 6 weeks and albuterol 2 on 2 off for a total of 12 weeks. Throughout the cycle I will also be using various fat burners like CLA, green tea caps, caffeine, acetyl l-cartinine and 13-14 grams of fish oil ed. I was considering doing tren acetate at a low dose of 50mg eod but am too scared of the sides. Cario will be done fasted in the morning on an empty stomach and frequency increased as fat loss stalls. Really looking to be able to see my abs this summer lol Is there anything else I can throw into the cycle to speed up the fat loss like GH, Eca , t3, yohimbine, anavar etc?

[Praetorian]

13-14% off season isnt terrible but I suspect you are closer to 18-19%...most people under estimate their BF % by 5% minimum. The cycle really is the least important aspect when it comes to dieting. The number one aspect is nutrition...it is the key to getting below 10%...if your diet is not good it really doesn't matter what you take...GH, T3, clen aas it makes no difference..you wont get below 10%.
What i would suggest is to follow the 200lb diet from Dave Palumbo(google it), run a simple cycle of 250mg test Monday and 250mg test Thursday...that will raise androgen levels high enough to maintain muscle mass and allow for optimal fat loss. Once you get to 7% or below you can add in the winstrol 50mg EOD as a final touch...adding it before that is just throwing your money and winstrol down the drain. 200mg caffeine can be used prior to cardio and training...l-carnitine can be taken with meals same as fish oil. I would skip the tren for now. Please realize anabolics do NOT burn fat..not anavar...not winstrol...they only provide an artifically induced high androgen blood level to trick the body into continued fat loss at a lower intake of calories and BF %.

Run the DP diet..start cardio at 20min ED walking on treadmill or preferably outside (no running or jogging) and increase every week by 5-10min depending on fat loss.


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[mk224]

I've been on a low carb diet but I'll be switching over to the DP diet now. Would Hgh be of any use? I've found a chinese source for blue tops so considering how many people love the effects of hgh, would it be beneficial to throw it in? It seems like I have stubborn fat around my waist that never goes away no matter what I do. I know its Diet-Cardio and then fat loss aids, but could I speed it up with GH and T3? I can get the GH blue tops and legit anavar for pretty cheap so it's really compelling.

[Praetorian]

The anavar is not going to help you with stubborn fat...not will T3 or GH if you arent on the proper diet and cardio schedule. GH at 3iu ED will definitely improve fat loss if everything else is in check..T3 would also help but I would save that for the last part of the diet when things get stubborn...you arent even close to that yet. The idea with dieting is to gradually ramp up on things like cardio, and fat loss agents. By throwing everything into the ring early you leave nothing else but dropping calories and alot of cardio...not the best situation.
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[mk224]

So it HIIT bad for fat loss? even though my diet is dialed in, Im not really seeing any results with low intensity cardio (walking) even if I do an hour every other day.

[jack_krauser]

Sorry to hijack but P, wouldn't slow paced cardio / jogging help with fatloss? And is there a reason why you would suggest walking instead of running/jogging?

[Praetorian]

So it HIIT bad for fat loss? even though my diet is dialed in, Im not really seeing any results with low intensity cardio (walking) even if I do an hour every other day.

Cardio should done daily...time to get serious!
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[Praetorian]

Sorry to hijack but P, wouldn't slow paced cardio / jogging help with fatloss? And is there a reason why you would suggest walking instead of running/jogging?

On a keto diet running or jogging will result in muscle loss...ketone bodies are not a fast enough energy source when doing high intensity cardio...oxygen enters the equation and the body will revert to glucose via gluconeogenesis..ie converting muscle (amino acids) into glucose...not good. HIIT cardio is fine if you are having carbs in your diet.

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[jack_krauser]

Thanks P.

Learning something new everyday :)

[cog]

On a keto diet running or jogging will result in muscle loss...ketone bodies are not a fast enough energy source when doing high intensity cardio...oxygen enters the equation and the body will revert to glucose via gluconeogenesis..ie converting muscle (amino acids) into glucose...not good. HIIT cardio is fine if you are having carbs in your diet.

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And this is when that special kind of headache shows up,is that correct Prae?

[mk224]

Thanks P! And ya Im stepping up the cardio to 45 mins everyday now. My first cycle was 500mg test e weekly so I was thinking if I should drop the dose down to 250 or 300mg for cutting? Im gonna run the GH at 3-4iu ed and anavar at 70mg ed for the entire 12 week cycle.

[Praetorian]

I would save the anavar for the last 4-5 weeks only...its not going to do much when you are still fat...but it will harden you up some once your BF is down far enough...and 12 weeks is a long time on a 17aa compound..it will put significant stress on your liver. Keep the test at 500mg weekly to maintain muscle..dropping it that low will just shut down your endo test and after replacing that you arent left with much for maintenance.
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[mk224]

What would be a reasonable amount of time to drop down from 14% body fat to 8%? I was thinking 8-12 weeks if cardio is done everyday on a keto diet. Also would gh for cutting just be a waste of money? I could afford to run upto 5 iu ed for 2-3 months. Thanks P

[Praetorian]

Numbers really are irrelevant...why...because you really dont know what your BF % is or what 8% will look like when you are down to that level...so they are meaningless. I would suggest running a strict diet for 12 weeks trying to get as lean as possible...once you are finished 12 weeks I am sure you will be satisfied with the result. Cardio is not static so you cannot start at 45min daily and expect to continuously lose BF just by doing that amount every day...your body will adapt to that and fat loss will stall. This is why cardio is started with the minimum necessary to illicit a body fat drop of about 2lbs per week. That way you can increase the duration of cardio slightly ie 5-10 min every week or two to maintain the 2lb loss weekly. GH will definitely help...for fat loss 2-3iu ED is enough.
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[mk224]

When Should I start taking the T3 and at what doses? I was thinking Ramp up from 12.5mcg Ed to 75mcg Ed then back down for 6 weeks. Also P do you have any experience with hgh frag 176-191 or eca?

[Praetorian]

You dont need T3 to get to 8%..if you do your diet sucks and you are being lazy with cardio, I would avoid HGH frag....ive seen no evidence of anything positive with those peptides...GH is much better investment...but again its not necessary to get to 8%...with diet and cardio 8% is easy.
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