The Harper government is harming the foundations of Canada.

[Andre Gregoire]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.safetyeh.ca/

[cog]

We have way too many public servants that do sweet tweet.And why the hell should I fund their pensions?They can contribute themselves like the rest of us.

[natenator]

Careful, jersey will be here in swift fashion to defend his late night hand fantasy that is Harper and tell us how great he is and has been for Canada.

[cog]

There are a number of things that piss me off about the Harper? gov but we sure as heck don't need more swivel servants.

[natenator]

There are a number of things that piss me off about the Harper? gov but we sure as heck don't need more swivel servants.Yet under his leadership it's only increased. Much like the deficit.

Yeah, real fiscal conservative he is.

[natenator]

The probl that people don't ever understand is that in the public sector, cuts don't equal increased efficiency and output.

In non-unionized private sector when cuts happen efficiency usually results because people want to keep the jobs they have so they do more, work longer in order to contribute. In public sector, cuts don't get people working harder or longer. It just means that services to canadians takes much longer than it already does. Cuts don't fix the underlying cause of inefficiencies.

That is the real problem. Cut or not, inefficiency will remain inefficient.

[cog]

I agree Nate.None of them actually fear for their jobs.You would have to go on a shooting rampage with an automatic weapon with an extended clip to get fired.I once knew a guy from Ottawa who was a contractor doing office renos for the gov,he couldn't see what anybody did there.They should offload to the provinces or something,privatize,I don't know,it's bad.Just look at what that gun registry cost.

[natenator]

I agree Nate.None of them actually fear for their jobs.You would have to go on a shooting rampage with an automatic weapon with an extended clip to get fired.I once knew a guy from Ottawa who was a contractor doing office renos for the gov,he couldn't see what anybody did there.They should offload to the provinces or something,privatize,I don't know,it's bad.Just look at what that gun registry cost.

I won't single out a specific policy like the gun registry or ehealth in Ontario, etc because I believe they're usually done with good purpose and intent. It's only through after thought that we learn whether something was a good idea or not. The issue is not the idea, the issue is not enough analysis to determine cause and effect of ideas.

MANY companies have ideas that fail over and over and over again. Oil is a prime example. How many test wells that cost millions and millions get drilled only to find no or limited resources worth extracting? Lots yet without risk you can't have reward.

My issue with gov't isn't with them trying and failing. My issue is they take such a narrow view of policy aimed at specific groups or segments of people instead of a holistic approach which can impact the majority of Canadians.

Some will argue free trade has been a disaster or a blessing. I take the approach that its only good if we can learn and adapt. Take what we knew to be good and continue while working to change what we know to be bad and implementing corrective measures for action. Not status quo or expansion of bad to extend bad.

For example: capitalism as a whole is bad. Proof is in the pudding of that BUT there are parts of it that are good. Regulation is good but there are many parts which are bad. The key will always be to do what's right for a society as a whole and that's where all gov't and politicians fall down.

[#8]

At the end of the day who would you rather be in power? Liberals? NDP?

Wake up and accept that things are the way they are and we have the best of the worst. Or become a freedom fighter, start your own campaign, run for office and see where that gets you. Best of luck.

[natenator]

At the end of the day who would you rather be in power? Liberals? NDP?

Wake up and accept that things are the way they are and we have the best of the worst. Or become a freedom fighter, start your own campaign, run for office and see where that gets you. Best of luck.
At the end of the day I'd rather a person in power who was interested in doing right for the majority instead of the few and no one current fits that bill and until society demands a system that works in the best interest of all (because we'll all be better off in the long run) then you'll never see it materialize.

[cog]

At the end of the day I'd rather a person in power who was interested in doing right for the majority instead of the few and no one current fits that bill and until society demands a system that works in the best interest of all (because we'll all be better off in the long run) then you'll never see it materialize.

A person in power who was interested in doing right for the majority instead of the few.....hmmm....

[Andre Gregoire]

The probl that people don't ever understand is that in the public sector, cuts don't equal increased efficiency and output.

In non-unionized private sector when cuts happen efficiency usually results because people want to keep the jobs they have so they do more, work longer in order to contribute. In public sector, cuts don't get people working harder or longer. It just means that services to canadians takes much longer than it already does. Cuts don't fix the underlying cause of inefficiencies.

That is the real problem. Cut or not, inefficiency will remain inefficient.

I agree with this 100%. All these cuts mean are less or slower services for Canadians.

[cog]

I agree with this 100%. All these cuts mean are less or slower services for Canadians.

I do my best to ignore or avoid the gov.I let my acct deal with them.

[Andre Gregoire]

I once knew a guy from Ottawa who was a contractor doing office renos for the gov,he couldn't see what anybody did there.They should offload to the provinces or something,privatize,I don't know..

C'mon, I work on a computer all day clicking and typing, to an outsider this may appear like l am just playing around on a computer and it would appear that 90% of public servants do the same job but it isn't reality. Some of us have very valuable skill sets and would be making more money in the private sector.

[Andre Gregoire]

A person in power who was interested in doing right for the majority instead of the few.....hmmm....

I believe Layton could have been that man but he had to go die on us...

[natenator]

I believe Layton could have been that man but he had to go die on us...No he wasn't. He pandered to his minority groups just as cons pander to their interest groups.

[natenator]

C'mon, I work on a computer all day clicking and typing, to an outsider this may appear like l am just playing around on a computer and it would appear that 90% of public servants do the same job but it isn't reality. Some of us have very valuable skill sets and would be making more money in the private sector.

Those that can, do. Those that can't generally work for gov't.

However, we're about to see just how valuable these skillsets are with close to 20K losing their jobs. I'm sure they'll easily find employment in the private sector making more money than in gov't?

[Andre Gregoire]

Those that can, do. Those that can't generally work for gov't.

However, we're about to see just how valuable these skillsets are with close to 20K losing their jobs. I'm sure they'll easily find employment in the private sector making more money than in gov't?

He he he... You know what I like the best about you? That fact that you're an asshole, that's why I read your posts, I love it.

I first worked in the Private sector, tech industry, saw lots of my friends lose their jobs and thankfully I was never effected but since I have a low tolerance for risk I decided to go to the GVT for the job stability and pension. I work in digital forensics so I think I will be allright wether it's in GVT or private sector.

[K-Max]

No he wasn't. He pandered to his minority groups just as cons pander to their interest groups.

They're the same grass-root groups that fund their parties.

[natenator]

He he he... You know what I like the best about you? That fact that you're an asshole, that's why I read your posts, I love it.

I first worked in the Private sector, tech industry, saw lots of my friends lose their jobs and thankfully I was never effected but since I have a low tolerance for risk I decided to go to the GVT for the job stability and pension. I work in digital forensics so I think I will be allright wether it's in GVT or private sector.

The keyword in my message was generally. No doubt there are hard working, skilled people in gov't and I also know a bunch of them but I know way more who have virtually no real skillet, work ethic and get paid more than those in private sector. those are the people who should be running scared as gov't caters to the lowest common denominator. They don't hire the best and the brightest unfortunately.

The difference between you and the thousands without real market skills? You're employable even th private sector still. Those secretary, policy analysts (rofl), admins, clerks, program heads, etc are the ones who are screwed. They took the gov't safety net without anything of real skill or value to back them up.

The blame for this still squarely lies at Harpers feet. Massive increase in civil servants since his time in power and huge deficit increases

[natenator]

A person in power who was interested in doing right for the majority instead of the few.....hmmm....
Are you saying it doesn't exist? Lol

[cog]

Are you saying it doesn't exist? Lol

It might be possible here in Canada.I would have to say this person most likely would not be a Con or Lib.NDP to me is a completely wrong mindset....

[natenator]

It might be possible here in Canada.I would have to say this person most likely would not be a Con or Lib.NDP to me is a completely wrong mindset....We need something new. Not the same old same old.

The problem with political people is they let a party define them instead of people defining a party. If people found a way to let go of party politics then we'd see some real movement

[natenator]

Speaking of harming Canada...

Economic forecast shows federal deficit $7-billion larger (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/economic-forecast-shows-federal-deficit-7-billion-larger/article5230229/#)

Wondering if Jersey will be along to defend Harpo as a distinguished economist LMAO

[Talo]

maybe they should build a few pipelines from Alberta to Ontario, Quebec and Novia Scotia. that would help lower the national debt ( that has been created mostly by Quebec)

that would create more jobs and help keep our natural resources in Canada to be a self sufficient country , then after we have taken care of our own sell to China since the USA doesn't want our product.

[natenator]

maybe they should build a few pipelines from Alberta to Ontario, Quebec and Novia Scotia. that would help lower the national debt ( that has been created mostly by Quebec)

that would create more jobs and help keep our natural resources in Canada to be a self sufficient country , then after we have taken care of our own sell to China since the USA doesn't want our product.

better yet, increase revenues through: bring gst back to 7% (additional $12B in revenues) and increase corporate taxes because those ****ers just seem to be sitting on their half trillion cash horde instead of creating jobs, then get spending under control starting with scrapping fighter jets, big US-style jails and reducing the size of the PMO (largest in history). Those measures would almost single-handily balance the budget.

Harper is no conservative but he is a CON.

[Nirus]

this is why is doesn't matter who's elected, the government doesn't really have power anymore, they do whats needed to receive party donations so that they can run again next time this money comes from people with money not the working class. in exchange for such "funds" bullshit bills are passed through and often in a hurry/sneaky way. every time a pm is elected the same shady behavior takes over. either years after or towards the end of they're term we hear about all the things they've made a mess of or money they have spent poorly or embezzled, to make it anywhere in politics you have to be willing to step on and crush your fellow co-workers/opposition you will never see an avg joe standing up for the masses make it into power ever someone will destroy him/her before they ever make it close. thus making it near pointless to vote who do we trust the crook we know or the crook we don't?

[cog]

maybe they should build a few pipelines from Alberta to Ontario, Quebec and Novia Scotia. that would help lower the national debt ( that has been created mostly by Quebec)

that would create more jobs and help keep our natural resources in Canada to be a self sufficient country , then after we have taken care of our own sell to China since the USA doesn't want our product.

I for one would like to see some real analysis of the petro industry and it's downstream activities.They keep telling us it makes no sense to upgrade here....

[cog]

better yet, increase revenues through: bring gst back to 7% (additional $12B in revenues) and increase corporate taxes because those ****ers just seem to be sitting on their half trillion cash horde instead of creating jobs, then get spending under control starting with scrapping fighter jets, big US-style jails and reducing the size of the PMO (largest in history). Those measures would almost single-handily balance the budget.

Harper is no conservative but he is a CON.

I'm not that happy with him on a number of issues.My understanding is that Fed pens are gov administered.I wonder if there are any plans to privatize...

I believe Harper is going to have a problem with Trudeau when he gets crowned....

[natenator]

BTW, I was proven right many years ago when I said Harper was scary for Canada. I condense my gut feelings in 2011 and voted for him just to avoid the election crap every 18 months.

I love being right but not at the expense of what his impact will have on our future. IF Canada ever has a recession (and WE really didn't go through one) recession like the US has had in the next few years we're screwed. Or if Ontario doesn't get it's house in order FAST, Canada is screwed. Ontario still pays for 40% of this country unfortunately.

[#8]

lol. everyone is a critic.

As I have said and will re-iterate for those who cant remember or who choose to omit from reading....

We are better off with Harper than we would be with a fed LIB or NDP in power. If you think the deficit is bad now, how bad would it have been with a spending machine NDP in power? Youre ****ed if you do and youre ****ed if you dont. You may as well vote for the people whose views align MOST with yours. Or just bitch and complain and do nothing about it at all and wish the "system" would change and we would all sing songs and hold hands and work for food.

Get over yourself.

[cog]

Harper is extreme in his conservative social policy.There is no reason to include this alongside fiscal policy.And the fiscal policy is liberal compared to republicans in the U.S.The liberals will position themselves accordingly.No need to blow it fretting about things the majority of native born Canadians likely want.I don't actually care who you want to marry or if you want to smoke a reefer tonight.Paul Martin runs a fleet of tankers in the Great Lakes and they are flagged in Panama.Quite nice to make your profits in the busy economies but not pay the taxes from this I suppose.

Just a thought #8.If only big time dope dealers used those tax havens and secret bank accounts they would have been closed long ago eh?

[ironwill]

The keyword in my message was generally. No doubt there are hard working, skilled people in gov't and I also know a bunch of them but I know way more who have virtually no real skillet, work ethic and get paid more than those in private sector. those are the people who should be running scared as gov't caters to the lowest common denominator. They don't hire the best and the brightest unfortunately.

The difference between you and the thousands without real market skills? You're employable even th private sector still. Those secretary, policy analysts (rofl), admins, clerks, program heads, etc are the ones who are screwed. They took the gov't safety net without anything of real skill or value to back them up.

The blame for this still squarely lies at Harpers feet. Massive increase in civil servants since his time in power and huge deficit increases

I liken this to a couple of examples i have seen in industry...
A union comes into power, they have 650 members from operations folks from janitors, to papermachine operators for instance
They also have 150 trades folks in the same union.
The company comes in and says over the years we have gotten out of touch with todays reality for wages in the REAL world.
Over the yrs the majority got pay for knowledge and voted in a number of things that benefitted the operations group, trades guys got shafted because they were a minority in the voting pool.
Fast forward, now the company says it needs to change the agreement, the operations guys steadfast unite and say no godamn way are we working harder, or longer, or taking paycuts (some of these ops guys are at 65.00 dollars per hour, never saw a day of post high scholl education.
Trades guys say they will cross lines of demarcation, make a bit less, but have more opportunity to work, and a guarantee the place will stay running for all..
They vote, the ops guys with absolutely no other skillsets for another sector are all standing strong, calling down the company owners etc.
Trades guys take it in stride and accomodate as much as possible.
The company cannot reach an agreement, they close the doors..
Operations guys cry, and snivvle and go look for work, none to be found, so they go to walmart, etc. Huge loss of income.
Trades guys all go get another job within weeks, recruiters go crazy and make a fortune.

The biggest whiners will still always whine, not improve themselves, and hope for the scurity they once had..
The trained skillset guys that went back to school, took more trng will always have work if willing.
Let the whiners have a taste of reality...

[cog]

BTW, I was proven right many years ago when I said Harper was scary for Canada. I condense my gut feelings in 2011 and voted for him just to avoid the election crap every 18 months.

I love being right but not at the expense of what his impact will have on our future. IF Canada ever has a recession (and WE really didn't go through one) recession like the US has had in the next few years we're screwed. Or if Ontario doesn't get it's house in order FAST, Canada is screwed. Ontario still pays for 40% of this country unfortunately.


Yes you were quite correct....the political realities of this country...we used to laugh at Italy's political system.Harper couldn't do much with a minority gov,and now he looks toward the next election.The volatility of the Quebec block of voters is a genuine concern.Youre right about Ontario,actually the whole western model since WWII is in question IMO...

[Talo]

better yet, increase revenues through: bring gst back to 7% (additional $12B in revenues) and increase corporate taxes because those ****ers just seem to be sitting on their half trillion cash horde instead of creating jobs, then get spending under control starting with scrapping fighter jets, big US-style jails and reducing the size of the PMO (largest in history). Those measures would almost single-handily balance the budget.

Harper is no conservative but he is a CON.

I don't agree that the people should have to pay more, hell I paid close to $50,000 in taxes last year and close to the same this year. SO increasing the GST is something I disagree with, but that’s because it affects me J I do agree that big business should be taxed higher.

I do think the liberals are more incline to make marijuana legal and tax it. In BC along it's a 1.7 Billion dollar industry, that is a lot of tax money not being collected - Plus if all the provinces are close to that then that would make it a bigger industry than the oil and gas :) Lots of $ not being collected because some thinks it's wrong.

[natenator]

I don't agree that the people should have to pay more, hell I paid close to $50,000 in taxes last year and close to the same this year. SO increasing the GST is something I disagree with, but that’s because it affects me J[COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana] I do agree that big business should be taxed higher.

Difference is, sales taxes tax consumption. If you use more you should have to pay more which is not how our income tax system works. We're not taxed on consumption therefore your argument should be to reduce the progressive tax system and more heavily tax consumption.

But since we're on the gst topic: how much would an additional 2% on your purchases cost you? What kind of savings have you seen since 2006 when it was first lowered to 6%? Now compare that to the $12B in lost gov't revenues which have severely impacted our ability to balance the budget and reduce federal debt. Your couple thousand over that time period vs. $72B. What do you think is more important for our Country?

I am definitely not in favour of higher taxes but I also recognize that finding additional revenue sources and spending cuts are what's needed. Can you imagine what we could do if we weren't spending 13% of revenues ($30.9B) to service the debt (2011 figures)? Reduce taxes? Get serious about innovation into truly sustainable energy? The number of things we can do when we're not paying interest on debt which is to the benefit of ALL Canadians.

One edit to this: the caveat is that gov't does everything in its power to not play games with out frigging money. SO yeah, I guess I am living in a pipe dream :P

[Talo]

Well I would def agree to pay a higher GST than a higher income tax. 20% would be better than 45% but I don't see that happening so I don't want them to get more money at all. If they can't budget the budget with what they have now then we are lost :)

I'd wouldn't even mind seeing 20% GST if my income tax would get cut in half - I agree it would be nice to be taxed on what is used and not just everything taken from my pay.

[cog]

I don't agree that the people should have to pay more, hell I paid close to $50,000 in taxes last year and close to the same this year. SO increasing the GST is something I disagree with, but that’s because it affects me J I do agree that big business should be taxed higher.

I do think the liberals are more incline to make marijuana legal and tax it. In BC along it's a 1.7 Billion dollar industry, that is a lot of tax money not being collected - Plus if all the provinces are close to that then that would make it a bigger industry than the oil and gas :) Lots of $ not being collected because some thinks it's wrong.

We could have intra provincial championships...show up those BC guys.The Canada Cannabis Cup....

[Skailes]

I agree that cannabis needs to be legalized as there is a huge amount of potential tax $$ and the savings on all forms of law enforcement would be staggering from a financial perspective.

Now as far as the GST goes that was brought in to pay down the deficit and instead it went into general revenue, so those tax dollars are being squandered and used for who knows what. Now as to who's in power...it matters little what party is in control as the country is run by outside interests/big business and although we're not in the same boat with the US quite yet we are heading down the same path....so wake the **** up and quit thinking that any political party is good or bad for the country as it matter not who gets in they're just puppets doing the bidding of other interests with an agenda that has nothing to do with our prosperity as a populace.

[dan1977]

We have way too many public servants that do sweet tweet.And why the hell should I fund their pensions?They can contribute themselves like the rest of us.

Dude come one.. Don't you think you're putting everyone in the same basket here. You can definitely see the right wing ideology reflected in your post.

Living in the national capital, working in the public sector is the reality for the majority of us down here. Historically this is where the Core of Canada grew from... Why we choose it: excellent work conditions (Unionized, flexibilty, etc) and descent salaries. Tell you what though, it's not all bright... When the shit hits the fan, Public servants always get pointed at with out of context propaganda (Sun media is the best at that). But pointing the blame at civil servants when we constitute less that 1% of the population is simply not right. If you lived in Ottawa you would do the same thing as me, it's what's available in Ottawa.

Insanely bureaucratic processes and bad policies are the reason why the federal government is really inefficient. Hiring policies are the perfect example... Hiring based on color, sex, etc just to meet quotas. How the f%^ck does that matter in getting the right employee for the right position but hey we want to show a good front which ends up biting them in the ass in the end. It's a big machine and takes a lot of time to get momentum.

You also talked about pensions. We do contribute and the contribution will now be 50%. Added to a salary increase not matching the inflation rate. So again, I'm getting poorer. It's a benefit (a perk) to attract employees. Note that they some major problems in the 90's getting quality staff. Information Technologies was booming and private sector was making a killing, no one complained then right. They were cashing big time with stock benefits and bonuses. People are all hypocrites.

People can complain, but federal servants are a necessary evil.

Conservative would love to privatize the departments.. yeah right. Guy in my teams hired as a consultant getting paid at 1200$/day (10-20% kickbacks to Bell because of contracts in place) while I get paid at 35$/hour. You see who benefits from this?The big corporations who pay the less taxes because of flaws in the taxation system. People tend to look at what they see and don't look at what's really happening. Once you are well informed, take a step back and look at things in perspective, some stuff make a lot of sense, some doesn't. It's like anything really. Cutting 20 000+ jobs (let's say average 50k/year) that 1 billion dollars. These 20 000 people will then benefit UI and probably have a hard time finding a job. Gotta remember that 50 000/year salary was predominantly being returned in the economy pot, now it's not anymore so here comes the domino effect: Unemployment rate increase, more houses for sell, etc.

Doesn't matter which party is in place, the big danger is having a majority government. They can do everything they want and there is no one to stop them. It's dangerous as we can see it in 2012. We call it a democracy (Demos Kratos = The power of the people), is it really?? I think we all agree that this term has been redefined to accommodate a small group of powerful individual IMPOSING their beliefs on a vast majority. A lot of bad decisions and changes this year that will have some dramatic repercussions for the years to come.

[Andre Gregoire]

Dude come one.. Don't you think you're putting everyone in the same basket here. You can definitely see the right wing ideology reflected in your post.

Living in the national capital, working in the public sector is the reality for the majority of us down here. Historically this is where the Core of Canada grew from... Why we choose it: excellent work conditions (Unionized, flexibilty, etc) and descent salaries. Tell you what though, it's not all bright... When the shit hits the fan, Public servants always get pointed at with out of context propaganda (Sun media is the best at that). But pointing the blame at civil servants when we constitute less that 1% of the population is simply not right. If you lived in Ottawa you would do the same thing as me, it's what's available in Ottawa.

Insanely bureaucratic processes and bad policies are the reason why the federal government is really inefficient. Hiring policies are the perfect example... Hiring based on color, sex, etc just to meet quotas. How the f%^ck does that matter in getting the right employee for the right position but hey we want to show a good front which ends up biting them in the ass in the end. It's a big machine and takes a lot of time to get momentum.

You also talked about pensions. We do contribute and the contribution will now be 50%. Added to a salary increase not matching the inflation rate. So again, I'm getting poorer. It's a benefit (a perk) to attract employees. Note that they some major problems in the 90's getting quality staff. Information Technologies was booming and private sector was making a killing, no one complained then right. They were cashing big time with stock benefits and bonuses. People are all hypocrites.

People can complain, but federal servants are a necessary evil.

Conservative would love to privatize the departments.. yeah right. Guy in my teams hired as a consultant getting paid at 1200$/day (10-20% kickbacks to Bell because of contracts in place) while I get paid at 35$/hour. You see who benefits from this?The big corporations who pay the less taxes because of flaws in the taxation system. People tend to look at what they see and don't look at what's really happening. Once you are well informed, take a step back and look at things in perspective, some stuff make a lot of sense, some doesn't. It's like anything really. Cutting 20 000+ jobs (let's say average 50k/year) that 1 billion dollars. These 20 000 people will then benefit UI and probably have a hard time finding a job. Gotta remember that 50 000/year salary was predominantly being returned in the economy pot, now it's not anymore so here comes the domino effect: Unemployment rate increase, more houses for sell, etc.

Doesn't matter which party is in place, the big danger is having a majority government. They can do everything they want and there is no one to stop them. It's dangerous as we can see it in 2012. We call it a democracy (Demos Kratos = The power of the people), is it really?? I think we all agree that this term has been redefined to accommodate a small group of powerful individual IMPOSING their beliefs on a vast majority. A lot of bad decisions and changes this year that will have some dramatic repercussions for the years to come.

Good post!

It's hard to generalize. I have worked for 5 different Government departments and also spent 7 years in the private sector. Public Works had a ton of slackers that I saw, I was an IT guy so saw many different people in different PWGSC departments.

The last 3 depts that I have worked in I've had to really bust my ass. My current boss, his Director and our DG are all workaholics and put in far more than the 40hrs per week required. They also require this from their employees. It really depends where you work.

I've also seen lots of BS related to lobbying and no matter who's in power, lobbyists, big business, "stakeholders" and even foreign countries have a huge, inappropriate influence on what really happens in this country.

[cog]

Dude come one.. Don't you think you're putting everyone in the same basket here. You can definitely see the right wing ideology reflected in your post.

Living in the national capital, working in the public sector is the reality for the majority of us down here. Historically this is where the Core of Canada grew from... Why we choose it: excellent work conditions (Unionized, flexibilty, etc) and descent salaries. Tell you what though, it's not all bright... When the shit hits the fan, Public servants always get pointed at with out of context propaganda (Sun media is the best at that). But pointing the blame at civil servants when we constitute less that 1% of the population is simply not right. If you lived in Ottawa you would do the same thing as me, it's what's available in Ottawa.

Insanely bureaucratic processes and bad policies are the reason why the federal government is really inefficient. Hiring policies are the perfect example... Hiring based on color, sex, etc just to meet quotas. How the f%^ck does that matter in getting the right employee for the right position but hey we want to show a good front which ends up biting them in the ass in the end. It's a big machine and takes a lot of time to get momentum.

You also talked about pensions. We do contribute and the contribution will now be 50%. Added to a salary increase not matching the inflation rate. So again, I'm getting poorer. It's a benefit (a perk) to attract employees. Note that they some major problems in the 90's getting quality staff. Information Technologies was booming and private sector was making a killing, no one complained then right. They were cashing big time with stock benefits and bonuses. People are all hypocrites.

People can complain, but federal servants are a necessary evil.

Conservative would love to privatize the departments.. yeah right. Guy in my teams hired as a consultant getting paid at 1200$/day (10-20% kickbacks to Bell because of contracts in place) while I get paid at 35$/hour. You see who benefits from this?The big corporations who pay the less taxes because of flaws in the taxation system. People tend to look at what they see and don't look at what's really happening. Once you are well informed, take a step back and look at things in perspective, some stuff make a lot of sense, some doesn't. It's like anything really. Cutting 20 000+ jobs (let's say average 50k/year) that 1 billion dollars. These 20 000 people will then benefit UI and probably have a hard time finding a job. Gotta remember that 50 000/year salary was predominantly being returned in the economy pot, now it's not anymore so here comes the domino effect: Unemployment rate increase, more houses for sell, etc.

Doesn't matter which party is in place, the big danger is having a majority government. They can do everything they want and there is no one to stop them. It's dangerous as we can see it in 2012. We call it a democracy (Demos Kratos = The power of the people), is it really?? I think we all agree that this term has been redefined to accommodate a small group of powerful individual IMPOSING their beliefs on a vast majority. A lot of bad decisions and changes this year that will have some dramatic repercussions for the years to come.


How do you explain all the bucks spent on the gun registry?Why should the public pay even 50% of your pension?Canada Revenue treats Albertans as just a bunch of evil rednecks that they can descend on from time to time to rip whatever they can from us.Pretty hard to feel any sympathy for a civil service that basically hates us.Michael Ignatief would have been even worse than Harper is my bet.

[natenator]

Oh look, Canada's Economic Action plan is working! Oh wait... we slowed to a crawl in the 3rd quarter this year.

Anyone else find it pretty funny when growth has occurred, Harper and co. tout the economic action plan working and when growth slows... it's because global forces. These guys are the pure definition of being able to suck and blow at the same time.

Love the sheep who hang off these clowns.

[natenator]

The last 3 depts that I have worked in I've had to really bust my ass. My current boss, his Director and our DG are all workaholics and put in far more than the 40hrs per week required. They also require this from their employees. It really depends where you work.

Here's the difference. What do you think happens if you say **** it and only work a regular 37.5hr week? You think you'll be fired? Not a chance.

Try that in the private sector and shit will hit the fan faster than shit runs through a goose!

[natenator]

Living in the national capital, working in the public sector is the reality for the majority of us down here. Historically this is where the Core of Canada grew from...

What kind of planet did you grow up on? Learn your history son, or at least read a book or something.

The CORE of Canada was developed in two areas. 1st: Forestry. East. West and Northern Ontario. 2nd: Northern Ontario where we mined the **** out of that place.

These two resource industries ALONE built this country and were THE core of Canada so when you talk about Ottawa and useless gov't workers being where the core of Canada grew from I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at your absurdity.


Conservative would love to privatize the departments.. yeah right. Guy in my teams hired as a consultant getting paid at 1200$/day (10-20% kickbacks to Bell because of contracts in place) while I get paid at 35$/hour. You see who benefits from this?The big corporations who pay the less taxes because of flaws in the taxation system. People tend to look at what they see and don't look at what's really happening. Once you are well informed, take a step back and look at things in perspective, some stuff make a lot of sense, some doesn't. It's like anything really. Cutting 20 000+ jobs (let's say average 50k/year) that 1 billion dollars. These 20 000 people will then benefit UI and probably have a hard time finding a job. Gotta remember that 50 000/year salary was predominantly being returned in the economy pot, now it's not anymore so here comes the domino effect: Unemployment rate increase, more houses for sell, etc.


Oh, they'll find jobs (if they're any good in the first place) at the market rate for which they're worth without all their cushy union benefits. And the houses? The real estate market could use a dose of reality as well. People shouldn't be trying to buy $300,000-$400,000 houses on $50K/yr jobs. So if you purchased more than you could afford because you believed in gov't job security then I really couldn't care less.

The people who have a right to grumble are the people who work for organizations that continually make billions and revenue yet still go through turmoil of downsizing. THOSE are people who should expect to see some level of security in their jobs. Notice I said some not indefinite.



Doesn't matter which party is in place, the big danger is having a majority government. They can do everything they want and there is no one to stop them. It's dangerous as we can see it in 2012. We call it a democracy (Demos Kratos = The power of the people), is it really?? I think we all agree that this term has been redefined to accommodate a small group of powerful individual IMPOSING their beliefs on a vast majority. A lot of bad decisions and changes this year that will have some dramatic repercussions for the years to come.

Didn't see you whining when Harper and co. increased public sector workforce by 30,000 since 2006. Live by the sword, die by the sword but don't come on here with your woah is me whiney petulance because the market took a correction and now these people are out of jobs.

Now, I will say that cuts in the name of efficiency rarely if ever produces any actual efficiency. It simply saves money. Getting actual efficiency out of the gov't work force is another matter entirely LOL

[GYMBRAT]

What kind of planet did you grow up on? Learn your history son, or at least read a book or something.

The CORE of Canada was developed in two areas. 1st: Forestry. East. West and Northern Ontario. 2nd: Northern Ontario where we mined the **** out of that place.

These two resource industries ALONE built this country and were THE core of Canada so when you talk about Ottawa and useless gov't workers being where the core of Canada grew from I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at your absurdity.

missed reeding your posts natester! :) hahaha

[cog]

Love the new avi gb.The cost of housing is a very real problem in today's employment landscape.You could just say to people,don't buy a home....all that would happen is rents would eventually skyrocket.My father bought a nearly new home in a pleasant bedroom community of Montreal in 1970 for just a little more than one years salary and my mother didn't work.There is one thing a little guy with a funny moustache got right....

[blp]

harper destroy th foundation of steroid

[cog]

Harper is a fuddy duddy and a lap dog....grit your teeth and swallow.Local paper had this headline on the liberal leadership race,Garneau vs Trudeau.....spaceman vs space cadet lol.

[natenator]

harper destroy th foundation of steroid

Uhh this conversation is about real issues. Not pseudo ones surrounding your love of drugs. Try worrying about the big issues instead of the stupid petty ones like whether steroids should be/shouldn't be illegal.

It's people like this who shouldn't be allowed to vote, though I'd be surprised if they did anyway.

[scottlove]

Speaking of wasting our money......my neighbour was a P.S.T. auditor for 15 years. When the P.S.T. was eliminated in Ontario for a higher G.S.T. he was given a severance pay of close to $100,000, (because he basically "lost" his job), and the next week started his new job as a G.S.T. auditor.

[cog]

Speaking of wasting our money......my neighbour was a P.S.T. auditor for 15 years. When the P.S.T. was eliminated in Ontario for a higher G.S.T. he was given a severance pay of close to $100,000, (because he basically "lost" his job), and the next week started his new job as a G.S.T. auditor.

Not surprising at all.

[blp]

Uhh this conversation is about real issues. Not pseudo ones surrounding your love of drugs. Try worrying about the big issues instead of the stupid petty ones like whether steroids should be/shouldn't be illegal.

It's people like this who shouldn't be allowed to vote, though I'd be surprised if they did anyway.

bahhh you mister god,,

it still th end amateur of Canadian bbing n th forum on my behalf is all about this...


i can't wrote about harper new protocols on custom,,

i dont care a shit about world phenomena ,, im a individual that live out of flag , borders , n nationality

[Talo]

huh ?

[dan1977]

Here's what I stated, "Living in the national capital, working in the public sector is the reality for the majority of us down here. Historically this is where the Core of Canada grew from..."

By referencing "public sector" I implicitly implied "Government" sector, not economic sector... you putting my opinion out of context. Ottawa was proclaimed the national capital in 1857, so I think it makes a lot sense to refer Ottawa as the Core.. Not talking either about Cartier and the "Nouvelle-France" or the Brits taking over and creating the lower/upper Canada... You don't know squat about me, I went to school too.

Why would anyone complain with the creating of 30 000 jobs? Socialist bullshit...

Anyways, it's pointless to try and discuss anything with you. It's clearly easy to see that you feed your ego by trying to put down/embarass every individual that don't see things as you do. Don't even know your background, but I'm sure you're the type that has a master degree's or doctors and know's everything about everything but can't do anything in the real life, it's all theory. Shit, seems you know everything about me, you're like a wizard. Also assuming you're in you thirties, and your're still in university. Here's an idea, how about you use the shit you learned and do something productive for a change. Christ, you've got over 7000 post, get a f*cking life.

Your using your education to try and hide out your weaknesses. You're a true narcissist, totally absorbed with himself. I scream the loudest so I'm, right, that's your logic.
Last post for me on this forum, trying to discuss any topic with people like you is like talking to a brick wall, it's non-sense.

[cog]

No need to get upset.No core grew from Ottawa.Toronto and Montreal were the twin centers.Now Montreal has become irrelevant.Calgary has grown in its place.

[blp]

montreal is now indeed very poor but lotsa fun

[cog]

montreal is now indeed very poor but lotsa fun

My brother visits often.Nothing like it in North America.