Pro hormones

[MAC12]

I recently started a cycle of RPN Havoc, and I noticed it had a major effect on my libido. Should this be? I have read that certain pro hormones affect people differently, but I couldn't get it up last night trying to have sex with my girlfriend. This has never happened before and it is like I have no sex drive. Is there any way I can reverse this, but at the same time stay on the pro hormone. I took Epistane before and didn't have these side effects. I was thinking about buying ZMA to help with this problem, any other recommendations? The sooner the better! lol

[MAC12]

i went and bought it anyway..it was only $30 for Allmax ZMA..i will keep everyone posted on how it works.

[Praetorian]

Stay away from prohormones...they cause all kinds of sides.
P

[Sandwiches]

Stay away from prohormones...they cause all kinds of sides.
P
+1 .. They are terrible for you

[Hosehead]

I've never seen anyone hold any gains from prohormones. In fact, all I saw from the guys who did them was bloat , acne, complaints of no sex drive and lethargy. If you are willing to take all those sides AND get off then simply do some A bombs and test. At least you'll get your money's worth.

[JacktheThriller]

glad your Zma is on sale for nearly twice the price of our sponsors Zma and good choice on the prohormones too sounds like they are really working for you

[deserran]

Have you even researched ProHormones?

just sounds like you said oh, ill take this.

some info from another site, also if ph is a route you are taking check out tunedsports.com
Epistane/Havoc
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Nomenclature:

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:

1100:91 vs. methyl test by oral administration [1]

Synonyms:

Epistane, Havoc, Epi, E-Stane, Epi-Strong, Methylepithiostanol

Etymology:

Methylepithiostanol: Methyl indicates the 17a-methyl group, epi means above, indicating the bridge, thio indicating sulphur, stan is short for the androstane skeleton, and ol points out the hydroxyl at 17b.

History:

One of a number of steroidal compounds researched in the 60s by Searle Laboratories, while it was never used clinically in the West, the unmethylated analog epitiostanol has been used to treat breast cancer and gynecomastia in Japan. [2][3]

The two first "prohormone" products containing this compound, IBE's Epistane and RPN's Havoc, are still the two best-selling "epi" products on the market.

Structure and Function:

Resembling methyl DHT, but with a sulphur atom spanning C2 and C3, methylepitiostanol is an orally active compound that lacks the 3-ketone common to most anabolic steroids. Some of it's activity will be due to metabolism in vivo to other active compounds - including desoxymethyltestosterone (pheraplex). [4]
It will undergo dethionylation (loss of the sulphur atom) both in vivo or via pyrolysis (administration of high temperatures) to produce phera, as illustrated in this diagram. [5]

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Effects:

Greatly increased protein synthesis and accrual of lean muscle mass with attendant strength gains. Some fat loss may be experienced, though this is dependent on diet and training.

Side Effects:

Side-effects may include (but are not limited to): loss of or heightened libido, elevated liver enzymes and potential temporary liver function impairment, HPTA disruption, adverse shifts in lipoprotein subfractions (lowered HDL, increased LDL cholesterol), acne, hair growth or loss, and an increase in blood pressure. This product should not be used by women or teens.

Gains are very lean and dry with many users complaining of sore joints (so a joint supp like Joint Force (http://www.********************/store/e-pharm-joint-force.html) would be recommended to those experiencing pain or discomfort).

Recommended Dosages and Cycle Durations:

Cycles are typically 30 - 40mg daily for four to six weeks, followed by a SERM PCT protocol to avoid "rebound gyno".

References:

[1] Anabolic agents. 2,3-Epithioandrostane derivatives. J. Med. Chem., 1966, 9 (5), pp 693–697
[2] Gan To Kagaku Ryoho. 1988 Jul;15(7):2163-7.
[3] Jpn. J. Clin. Oncol. (1973) 3 (2): 99-104.
[4] Xenobiotica. 1991 Jul;21(7):865-72.
[5] Drug Test Anal. 2009 Nov;1(11-12):518-25.