Insulin Question??

[frenchy]

There is a guy at work who is diabetic. Im sure he wouldn't be upset if I asked him if he could get me some... I just don't know if it its worthwhile or if diabetics can even get more than they actually use. Anyone ever done something like that..

[The Terminator]

There is a guy at work who is diabetic. Im sure he wouldn't be upset if I asked him if he could get me some... I just don't know if it its worthwhile or if diabetics can even get more than they actually use. Anyone ever done something like that..

If you're running GH and AAS then it's worth it. If not, then why bother? It'll only make you fat otherwise.

However, insulin is very easy to get from my understanding. Not something that interests me personally though, so never attempted. That, and I cannot afford GH.

Matt

[Freebsd1977]

Wow, that sounds like a dangerous thing to do. Be careful, I remember reading that too much and you could end up in a coma or worse. People have become diabetic as well, as your body stops producing it's own insulin and starts to depend on your injections.

[mcgee]

I order it from a canadian pharmacy for around $28 a botttle(humalog). You can also just walk into a pharmacy and buy it. If you are a hard gainer the stuff is amazing, just make sure you fully understand what you are getting into.

[The Terminator]

I order it from a canadian pharmacy for around $28 a botttle(humalog). You can also just walk into a pharmacy and buy it. If you are a hard gainer the stuff is amazing, just make sure you fully understand what you are getting into.

Exactly. And if you're a hard gainer it's not going to make it easier to gain. After all, all hard gainers essentially don't eat as much as they think they do. ;)

Matt

[Houstonbc]

just buy it yourself from your local pharmacy

[MassNutrition]

just buy it yourself from your local pharmacy

Ditto. You don't need a perscription. They stuff is dirt cheap and it'll last you forever. Chances are, you'll throw out the unused vial even before it's done. On average, you're talking $30 for a 10ml mulit-dose...

[IronRobi]

I've toyed with the idea before, but decided against it as diabetes does run in my family. The good news is, you can walk into a pharmacy and buy it without a script. Just be sure you know what you are getting into before taking it, always have somebody present when you do your shot who knows what to do in case you go hypoglycemic and start to seize, and try not to go to sleep for the next 4 hours. If abused, insulin can be fatal.

[bigdaddydrew123]

research it b4 you try it, i tried but i hated always going hypo.id break out in cold sweats 5 hours later sometimes. didnt do it very long.

[bottleneckblooz]

Insulin is the most insane thing bodybuilders do in search of extra muscle IMO, very dangerous.

[frenchy]

I've done my research and I think that like every other drug know to man there is side effects to benefit ratio. Every doctor will tell you that unless you have aids or some wasting disease that steroids' benefit to risk ratio is not worth it.
Taking insulin in small quantities 3 times a week after a workout will not shut down your bodies own production, it will not send you into a coma and kill you.
If you go all hardcore and abuse the shit out of it then your on your own. Its like that with everything is it not??

[Blitz-Test]

There is a guy at work who is diabetic. Im sure he wouldn't be upset if I asked him if he could get me some... I just don't know if it its worthwhile or if diabetics can even get more than they actually use. Anyone ever done something like that..

If you are in Canada, isulin of all types is otc, this includes slow and fast acting. It is cheap too, you can just pick it up, they cannot deny you..

Also, I would only consider using slin, if you are planning to be a high level competer, it is like no other... It can kill you if done incorrectly, it requires hundreds of hours of research in my opinion... I would stay away from it until your about the 6'0 285lb lean...

[tex]

^^ how do i get to be 6'0" 285lb lean if I'm 6'4"? and a few hundred hours of research.......you gotta be kiddin me bro......its not like you are inhaling industrial solvents.......adequate research should be done to figure out if its right for you.........but a healthy person with diet and training in check should have no probs if they do it within normal ranges

[fathead]

If you are in Canada, isulin of all types is otc, this includes slow and fast acting. It is cheap too, you can just pick it up, they cannot deny you..

Also, I would only consider using slin, if you are planning to be a high level competer, it is like no other... It can kill you if done incorrectly, it requires hundreds of hours of research in my opinion... I would stay away from it until your about the 6'0 285lb lean...

agreed slin should generally be reserved for serious bb'ers but id bet 99% of guys 6' 285lns and lean used slin to get there

[Roid Pimp]

I'm a trainer. have been for years. I have used insulin. its amazing stuff. pure anabolic. I believe it is actually 47 seperate anabolics. That being said 1 shot with out the peoper food in your system can and will kill you. make sure you keep your blood sugar up, drink a mix of gatoraide and dextros after your shot EVERY TIME, and keep another bottle on hand incase you start to get dizzy/faint etc. i would sergest finding a semi pro or a pro trainer. worl with them for a few months and then get them to teach you how to do it after they feel your ready and on track with your diet. Make sure your gear matches what you want to do and know when to get out. A life time diabetic is no fun. neither is an insulin coma... Be Very Careful and dont take advice from a BBS on how to do it. Im sure if you asked your doctor and told him you were bound and determaned to do it they would give you some literature on diabeties so you know the safe zones and also warning signs of over does etc. start off low and walk up slowly with your injections. stay at a level for a few days and scale up again if you are feeling ok with it but only move up a cc at a time. DO NOT EXCEDE 20cc/day no mater how good it feels. That is a dangeriously high level. and you take your shot post workout. preferably not to late in the day as it could keep you awake and you should not sleep for 5 hrs after. if you are sleeping during that 5 hrs DRINK YOUR GATORADE AND DEXTROSE IMIDIATLY! so you dont end up in a comma or dead.
hope this healps but dont take my word for it. seek local professional help ie: doctor and trainers.

good luck.

[Roid Pimp]

NOTE: I ment iu not cc. use an insulin needle for accuracy. sry. didnt notice until after.

[JonnyO]

I'm a trainer. have been for years. I have used insulin. its amazing stuff. pure anabolic. I believe it is actually 47 seperate anabolics. That being said 1 shot with out the peoper food in your system can and will kill you. make sure you keep your blood sugar up, drink a mix of gatoraide and dextros after your shot EVERY TIME, and keep another bottle on hand incase you start to get dizzy/faint etc. i would sergest finding a semi pro or a pro trainer. worl with them for a few months and then get them to teach you how to do it after they feel your ready and on track with your diet. Make sure your gear matches what you want to do and know when to get out. A life time diabetic is no fun. neither is an insulin coma... Be Very Careful and dont take advice from a BBS on how to do it. Im sure if you asked your doctor and told him you were bound and determaned to do it they would give you some literature on diabeties so you know the safe zones and also warning signs of over does etc. start off low and walk up slowly with your injections. stay at a level for a few days and scale up again if you are feeling ok with it but only move up a cc at a time. DO NOT EXCEDE 20cc/day no mater how good it feels. That is a dangeriously high level. and you take your shot post workout. preferably not to late in the day as it could keep you awake and you should not sleep for 5 hrs after. if you are sleeping during that 5 hrs DRINK YOUR GATORADE AND DEXTROSE IMIDIATLY! so you dont end up in a comma or dead.
hope this healps but dont take my word for it. seek local professional help ie: doctor and trainers.

good luck.

I would be interested in seeing your protocol for Slin use. What type do you prefer and why. Also why do you suggest PWO shots? Anything else besides Gatorade and Dextrose?

[tex]

1 shot can/will kill you? id like to see the proof you have......cite somethin please.....


I'm a trainer. have been for years. I have used insulin. its amazing stuff. pure anabolic. I believe it is actually 47 seperate anabolics. That being said 1 shot with out the peoper food in your system can and will kill you. make sure you keep your blood sugar up, drink a mix of gatoraide and dextros after your shot EVERY TIME, and keep another bottle on hand incase you start to get dizzy/faint etc. i would sergest finding a semi pro or a pro trainer. worl with them for a few months and then get them to teach you how to do it after they feel your ready and on track with your diet. Make sure your gear matches what you want to do and know when to get out. A life time diabetic is no fun. neither is an insulin coma... Be Very Careful and dont take advice from a BBS on how to do it. Im sure if you asked your doctor and told him you were bound and determaned to do it they would give you some literature on diabeties so you know the safe zones and also warning signs of over does etc. start off low and walk up slowly with your injections. stay at a level for a few days and scale up again if you are feeling ok with it but only move up a cc at a time. DO NOT EXCEDE 20cc/day no mater how good it feels. That is a dangeriously high level. and you take your shot post workout. preferably not to late in the day as it could keep you awake and you should not sleep for 5 hrs after. if you are sleeping during that 5 hrs DRINK YOUR GATORADE AND DEXTROSE IMIDIATLY! so you dont end up in a comma or dead.
hope this healps but dont take my word for it. seek local professional help ie: doctor and trainers.

good luck.

[IronRobi]

1 shot can/will kill you? id like to see the proof you have......cite somethin please.....

http://journalsip.astm.org/JOURNALS/FORENSIC/PAGES/4735.htm
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15461121
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=27131
http://insulin-overdose-933.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default


Just google "accidental insulin overdose".... to think that if you are healthy your body will automatically fight it off is just being stupid and careless. That's like saying if you are healthy you can jump out off a building and walk away from it. This shit is very powerfull and not something to mess around with. If you follow the proper steps and precautions then you will never have a problem. If you are an idiot about it, then you deserve to have bad shit happen to you.

[tex]

show me something besides hospital overdoses, suicides and elderly ppl......we are talking about bodybuilders bro

[tex]

i said a healthy person that knows what they are doing won't die......so dont give me a story about a dumbshit jumping off a building........

[frenchy]

To tell you the truth I'm looking for anecdotal information. Like I take 5 iu's post workout 3 times a week. What do you take to combat hypoglycemia. I can do research till I fall asleep but experience only comes from use. I know when I started taking GH I was having heart palpitations and my heart would skip a beat or two. Turns out I should have worked my way up to .028 IU/kg of body weight. Not just gone right to recomended dosage. Its a rare side effect that goes away?? I didn't find that out till after it went away. So experience has extreme benefit and when you come on and say what your experiences are it saves me a few steps and shortens others learning curves.

[Musclehead]

No offense, but if you don't even realize that Slin is OTC you probabaly haven't done enough research to be using it. It's dangerous stuff man, be carefull.

[frenchy]

nonsense




No offense, but if you don't even realize that Slin is OTC you probabaly haven't done enough research to be using it. It's dangerous stuff man, be carefull.

[JonnyO]

This here is good, go over the Power Point presentation it will cover all your bases to safe use and understanding Insulin.

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NCIDU/2007_NCIDU/presentations/William_Llewellyn.html

[frenchy]

Nice one thanks very informative.




This here is good, go over the Power Point presentation it will cover all your bases to safe use and understanding Insulin.

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NCIDU/2007_NCIDU/presentations/William_Llewellyn.html

[Mr Ontario]

Good shit JonnyO


This here is good, go over the Power Point presentation it will cover all your bases to safe use and understanding Insulin.

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/conferences/NCIDU/2007_NCIDU/presentations/William_Llewellyn.html

[MassNutrition]

To tell you the truth I'm looking for anecdotal information. Like I take 5 iu's post workout 3 times a week. What do you take to combat hypoglycemia. I can do research till I fall asleep but experience only comes from use. I know when I started taking GH I was having heart palpitations and my heart would skip a beat or two. Turns out I should have worked my way up to .028 IU/kg of body weight. Not just gone right to recomended dosage. Its a rare side effect that goes away?? I didn't find that out till after it went away. So experience has extreme benefit and when you come on and say what your experiences are it saves me a few steps and shortens others learning curves.


You shouldn't really have to "combat" hypoglycemia if you're taking in enough simple carbs. I have never had to fight hypoglycemia, personally, until I started experimenting with higher dosages. I went as high as 19Ius and started to feel uncomfortable. We're talking 8 years ago... since then, I've never had to go higher than 10Ius...

...listen, the way I see things, Insulin use is just a "bonus" to whatever else we take. I see absolutely no reason why we need to go gung-ho with the shit. Take it for it's synergistic value, not because you expect to make huge gains from it alone. Like I mentioned, I made that mistake 8 years ago, and as MUCH as I HATE to say this right now, but I got fat from it too. I was naive, and didn't know better. I didn't know how to fine-tune my diet properly and work around my "insulin window" properly either.

I have 8 years experience now under my belt, and I know my body VERY well, only because I have experimented on and off with dosage, timing, types of insulin, diet, carb intake (along with timing), how much or how little, types of carbs (believe it or not, my body made LEAPS and BOUNDS using honey as my simple carb source as opposed to say, Gatorade). Like I said, experiment, experiment, experiment... but not to the point where we are careless. Make mild and gradual changes, and keep a journal. Find what works for you and stick with it.

I have also found that subQ shots work best for me. I have my timing down pact. I remember Gustavo mentioning a while back about IM shots that had me VERY curious, but I decided not to go that route. I'm pretty old school, and when I find a good thing, I don't really change it... I just stick with it.

A very old general rule-of-thumb is to intake 10g of simple carbs with every IU you stick. So a 5IU shot will require 50g of simple carbs. Again, this is JUST a rule-of-thumb, and it can be modified slightly. It is only a guideline to keep yourself in a "safe zone" so you never go hypo. Again, experiment... I've seen Bros smooth out way too quickly with those 10g of carbs per IU. As soon as they went down to 7 or 8g, their muscle bellies got fuller without the added fat. On the opposite side of the scale, some guys have had to go as high as 15g of carbs per IU to get that "pump".

It's a personal journey, and I'll say it again, an EXPERIMENTAL one...

[IronRobi]

Good advice MN. Looks like a safe approach from somebody with a head on their shoulders.

[frenchy]

started with 3 iu's last night after workout. thanks for your help guys.
no problemo...

[frenchy]

started with 3 iu's last night after workout. thanks for your help guys.
no problemo...

wow, just a little update. I have to mention that my gains since starting insulin are going by leaps and bounds. Super pumped.

[ZeOne]

I am a T1D diabetic, and I depend on insulin to live. I have been a T1D for over 10 years and I know a lot of facets on insulin from first hand experience.

Funny thing is that all these years, I have been taking my insulin the way the doctor recommended 10 years ago...and not until very recently that I changed my insulin habits and schedule my insulin intake after my morning cardio and after my evening resistance training. I gained 8lbs in 3 weeks while loosing 3% B.F. (due to my strict diet and I am not doing AAS).

Although Insulin mis-usage can be quite tricky at times and will affect you in ways you least suspect (aggression/anxiety), so if anyone have any question, do not be shy, and I can help you with it...I've been through it all with slin

One advice I can give you all right now is to purchase a glucometer so you can monitor your blood glucose level, especially if you are taking stimulants at the same time like clenbuterol or ephedrine. The primary reason is that hypoglycemia will give you a lot of symptoms that you might interpret like the stimulants side-effects, but it will be your body giving you warning signs that you need to intake some glucose, and fast. If these warnings remain un-treated, your body starts robbing your brain from glucose (since your not feeding your body sugars and since the brain is the largest glucose storage) and your brain shuts itself and your body down as a measure of self protection...and you go into a comatose state

The glucometer is not a big investment, and you get free testing strips with the purchase.






-Z-

[gustavo77]

I have also found that subQ shots work best for me. I have my timing down pact. I remember Gustavo mentioning a while back about IM shots that had me VERY curious, but I decided not to go that route. I'm pretty old school, and when I find a good thing, I don't really change it... I just stick with it.



Funny you mention this bro, i started my latest slin run yesterday and decided to give SubQ a try. What a difference... I did 5iu yesterday and 8iu today and had absolutely none of the hypo symptoms that i had injecting IM. It seemed that whenever i did 8iu+ of slin IM i would get mild-moderate hypo symptoms, ie sweating, carb craving, thirst and no matter how much dex i would drink, only whole foods carbs seemed to curve the craving...weird i know but my close friend experiences the same thing with GH/slin IM injects. I think this has to do with how fast and hard humalog hits the bloodstream when taken IM. Thus far SubQ seems to have a steady, more stable release for me. I am going to go up to 10iu SubQ tomorrow (today..lol, 1 am now) and see if the sides stay at bay.

Of course SubQ does make more sense than what was recommended (IM) to me by SO MANY vets, as Insulin for the most part was designed to be administered Subq and when injected IM the release rate seems to be much more quick and unsteady...sides, oh hypoglycemic sides...

If my latest slin run does remain sideless then i owe you a debt of gratitude there Mass, thank you sir.

[gustavo77]

I am a T1D diabetic, and I depend on insulin to live. I have been a T1D for over 10 years and I know a lot of facets on insulin from first hand experience.

Funny thing is that all these years, I have been taking my insulin the way the doctor recommended 10 years ago...and not until very recently that I changed my insulin habits and schedule my insulin intake after my morning cardio and after my evening resistance training. I gained 8lbs in 3 weeks while loosing 3% B.F. (due to my strict diet and I am not doing AAS).

Although Insulin mis-usage can be quite tricky at times and will affect you in ways you least suspect (aggression/anxiety), so if anyone have any question, do not be shy, and I can help you with it...I've been through it all with slin

One advice I can give you all right now is to purchase a glucometer so you can monitor your blood glucose level, especially if you are taking stimulants at the same time like clenbuterol or ephedrine. The primary reason is that hypoglycemia will give you a lot of symptoms that you might interpret like the stimulants side-effects, but it will be your body giving you warning signs that you need to intake some glucose, and fast. If these warnings remain un-treated, your body starts robbing your brain from glucose (since your not feeding your body sugars and since the brain is the largest glucose storage) and your brain shuts itself and your body down as a measure of self protection...and you go into a comatose state

The glucometer is not a big investment, and you get free testing strips with the purchase.






-Z-

Very valuable info bro, thank you.

[gustavo77]

wow, just a little update. I have to mention that my gains since starting insulin are going by leaps and bounds. Super pumped.

Great to hear bro. Slin can be a safe and effective tool if used wisely.

[ZeOne]

Funny you mention this bro, i started my latest slin run yesterday and decided to give SubQ a try. What a difference... I did 5iu yesterday and 8iu today and had absolutely none of the hypo symptoms that i had injecting IM. It seemed that whenever i did 8iu+ of slin IM i would get mild-moderate hypo symptoms, ie sweating, carb craving, thirst and no matter how much dex i would drink, only whole foods carbs seemed to curve the craving...weird i know but my close friend experiences the same thing with GH/slin IM injects. I think this has to do with how fast and hard humalog hits the bloodstream when taken IM. Thus far SubQ seems to have a steady, more stable release for me. I am going to go up to 10iu SubQ tomorrow (today..lol, 1 am now) and see if the sides stay at bay.

Of course SubQ does make more sense than what was recommended (IM) to me by SO MANY vets, as Insulin for the most part was designed to be administered Subq and when injected IM the release rate seems to be much more quick and unsteady...sides, oh hypoglycemic sides...

If my latest slin run does remain sideless then i owe you a debt of gratitude there Mass, thank you sir.

Gustavo, please do NOT inject insulin IM. Not that it will kill you or anything..But...Most (if not all) Insulin sold on the market today are meant for sub-cutaneous injections, mostly in medium to fat rich regions, like the abdomen. Now, this by itself doesn't mean squat.

Where it becomes interesting is that all the figures on insulin onsets, peaks and durations (Start of effect, Maximum blood concentrations and Minimum blood concentration) are based on subqed insulin!

So, if the regular insulin chart says that the onset is in 30 minutes and the peak is in 2 hours, they are talking about insulin injected subcutaneously in a layer of fat. Same-wise for the peak. The 2-4 hours figure is for subq insuline, NOT IM injections.

So how would you be able to dose your slin and you carb intake if you have no idea whatsoever on IM's injections effects, onset, peak or rate of dissipation? for all we know, with IM shots your peak might come as early as 15 minutes after shot! and if the muscle is more congested, it could take even less...why gamble? there is no benefit at all (beside more pain with a longer needle) whatsoever with IMed insulin...again..none whatsoever, zero, zilch

So go ahead and only inject your slin subq, and have no fear or remorse, you are not missing anything by NOT injecting it IM. And use your abdomen on a rotation with your thighs because these are the regions that guarantees the most consistent insulin absorption rates, with the abdomen being the most proffered spot and being the site that most pharmaceutical comanies use to give the charts of their insulin action on blood glucose concentrations.

[Rrrrolla]

I can comfortably use 15iu's PWO with a Quickmass shake drank right after my shot. I havent tried it yet, but I dont think Id use insulin without gh, I'd be too worried about getting fat.

[gustavo77]

Gustavo, please do NOT inject insulin IM. Not that it will kill you or anything..But...Most (if not all) Insulin sold on the market today are meant for sub-cutaneous injections, mostly in medium to fat rich regions, like the abdomen. Now, this by itself doesn't mean squat.

Where it becomes interesting is that all the figures on insulin onsets, peaks and durations (Start of effect, Maximum blood concentrations and Minimum blood concentration) are based on subqed insulin!

So, if the regular insulin chart says that the onset is in 30 minutes and the peak is in 2 hours, they are talking about insulin injected subcutaneously in a layer of fat. Same-wise for the peak. The 2-4 hours figure is for subq insuline, NOT IM injections.

So how would you be able to dose your slin and you carb intake if you have no idea whatsoever on IM's injections effects, onset, peak or rate of dissipation? for all we know, with IM shots your peak might come as early as 15 minutes after shot! and if the muscle is more congested, it could take even less...why gamble? there is no benefit at all (beside more pain with a longer needle) whatsoever with IMed insulin...again..none whatsoever, zero, zilch

So go ahead and only inject your slin subq, and have no fear or remorse, you are not missing anything by NOT injecting it IM. And use your abdomen on a rotation with your thighs because these are the regions that guarantees the most consistent insulin absorption rates, with the abdomen being the most proffered spot and being the site that most pharmaceutical comanies use to give the charts of their insulin action on blood glucose concentrations.

Thanks bro...great info once again. This is exactly my thinking now and not only is it based on science but also my own experience. I went mildly hypo quite the few times while doing slin IM...never again.

[ZeOne]

Thanks bro...great info once again. This is exactly my thinking now and not only is it based on science but also my own experience. I went mildly hypo quite the few times while doing slin IM...never again.

Glad to hear that bro. If you have any other question related to slin, do not hesitate.

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Interesting thread. I knew insulin was OTC in Canada, but not to keen about walking into Shoppers and asking pharmicist for insulin. I know the risks involved w/ use, but am more concerned w/ making purchase. >.< I got this social anxiety thing, and I'm affraid I'll look/act like some kinda freak asking for slin, srsly.

So yeah, what's the proper protocol when purchasing. ? Walk up to counter and just ask. I mean they can not refuse, right. ? I could be diabetic adn die w/out. I live in extremely rural area, should I travel to nearest 'town' to purchase.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

[Vomit]

Just to clarify using insulin will not "shut down" your bodys natural production of insulin. The reason why using exogenous insluin turns you into a diabetic is the exact same reason why a fatty turns into a diabetic (insulin resistance). The insulin receptor amounts decrease on the cells membrane and the signalling cascade becomes weaker.

Personally I dont really see the point in it. Glucophage works so well for leaning you out, gives you amazing pumps, and has 0 chance of killing you via hypoglycemia, and 0 chance of making you insulin resistant (diabetic). When I want to mess with slin I just use the phage. True it doesnt build mass like slin, but a lot of the mass from slin is fat, especially with novice users.

[L3]

i take 4-6 tbspn sugar in the morning and post work out (to spike my insulin), should i be worried about my insulin resistance? i dont have any other sweets/candy throughout the day

any way to check if ive done damage? im assuming blood test...

[Big D]

your fine i dont think you have anything to worry about,

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Glucophage works so well for leaning you out, gives you amazing pumps.

Glucophage = Metformin. I know type 2 diabetics that take this med. Sounds interesting, gotta do some homework.

[Vomit]

It works well as a nutrient partitioning agent. Basically it increases the insulin receptor sensitivity. But it onlyworks for muscle not fat cells. The muscle cells become extra sensitive to insulin and so they pull glucose out of your blood at a greater rate then fat cells. The extra glucose causes water to move into the muscle and creates a amazing pump.

It allows you to bulk without putting on as much fat as normal or helps to lean out (if your cutting) by decreasing the glycemic load of meals.
However, its effects are on body comp are pretty small (with the exception of the pump). I have used it in various leaning out protocals and although I think it decreased the amount of time it took me to reach my goals the effect wasnt drastic (like DNP).
Im convinced that insulin is shit unless your running huge amounts of steroids to offset the fat gains. But if your running huge amounts of juice then how are you to know that your gains are from insulin or huge amounts of juice?? Theres no doubt insulin is anabolic but is it worth the risk for the average guy?

Anyway if your looking to mess with insulin glucophage is a relatively safe compound to start with. Even if just for the pumps.

[Rrrrolla]

Is metformin OTC? If insulin is, you would think Metformin would be...

[xxSCHiSMxx]

Don't think metformin is OTC. Type 2 diabetics everywhere on the stuff tho. Shouldn't be too hard to find.

@Vomit : Solid post. Thanks for taking time to write.

[tex]

metformin is by script.......a lot of good info in this thread......

[HYEPWRD]

An average pharmacy will get about 4-10 "walk up" insulin sales a day. I will venture a guess and say that less than 1% pharmacist are aware that Insulin is used by BB. There is ZERO stigma associated with slin purchase. You just walk up to the register and kindly ask;

"can I get a bottle of Humalog please"

Humlog is about $36....humulin R is about $26.

While you are in the pharmacy---go down the diabetic aisle and pick up 2 packs of Glucose tabs($1.99). Even real diabetics sometime screw up their insulin dose....or they take their shot and forget to eat and end up hypoglycemic. It is a verrry common occurance. Glucose tabs are 4grams of fast acting glucose. So even if you start to feel hypo--you pop a couple and you're ok.

[HYEPWRD]

I would say that Metformin is FAR more dangerous than insulin. Insulin can give you hypo...but if you are aware and are prepared(glucose closeby)...Its very safe. metformin on the other hand comes with a "BLACK BOX WARNING". A very rare side effect with it called Lactic acidossis. Its very rare (1/10,000)...But HALF of those who get it--DIE!!

not to mention that "GAS" is another less serious side. I have too much of that side with protien powder---I cant imagine it with metformin added in.