HGH for injury rehab ?

[Hosehead]

I have a couple of injuries that are going to require some time away from the gym. I have a golf ball sized bursal sac on my left elbow from years of resting it on hard surfaces and pressing moves have not helped in aleviating the condition. I'm still awaiting a MRI to see how severe the damage is. I'm doing the RICE thing an ART but nothing is really happening. It's been two weeks without pressing anything, just back, bis, calves and abs. The other injury is a possible minor tear of the meniscus or ligament tear. I'm not really sure exactly, waiting on a MRI for that too. So no leg training for the last 2 months and they are shrinking away to little sticks.
Would starting a HGH protocol help in speeding up the healing process ? If so, at what dose ? Would it be better to wait until I know the exact prognosis before starting ? I have never done HGH before but I've also never been in a position where I can't train **** all. At present I am running 150mg deca and 300 mg test e in an effort to minimize the atrophy as I have found in the past that deca seems to speed up the process of healing. Once I get a diagnosis I will get ART for the knee. Thanks in advance for any input.

[Praetorian]

HGH is a very expensive treatment for those injuries that will see little benefit. You need to diagnose the knee issue first as well as the elbow before you can decide on a rehab protocol. There are other alternative methods such as platelet-rich plasma infusion that would most likely be more beneficial at about the same price. Tendons, ligaments, and other types of soft tissue heal slowly because they do not receive much of a blood supply...hgh does not address this...but PRP does.
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[Hosehead]

HGH is a very expensive treatment for those injuries that will see little benefit. You need to diagnose the knee issue first as well as the elbow before you can decide on a rehab protocol. There are other alternative methods such as platelet-rich plasma infusion that would most likely be more beneficial at about the same price. Tendons, ligaments, and other types of soft tissue heal slowly because they do not receive much of a blood supply...hgh does not address this...but PRP does.
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Thanks Prae, I am looking into the PRP option, there is one practioner in my city and I am waiting on a referral.

[razorsedge]

I'm going to tell you what you're going to find with your injuries...your elbow issue is one very common with hockey players from falling on elbows. They are going to want to tap it and drain it and administer a cortisone shot to speed up healing, anti-inflam etc. In 3 days after that procedure you are going to feel like you have been miracle healed and want to go crazy and lift...DO NOT do it. Stay very light similating physio therapy for at least 3 weeks. All the tendons etc in the vicinity of the injection are going to be super brittle and you are at extreme risk of futher damage which will be way worse than the original bursi issue.

As for your knee, if it is meniscus, unless your knee occassionally locks up, they are not going to cut you open and fix it. If it does lock at times, they will look at scoping you and cleaning it up and rehabbing you which will be a very quick rehab and you will be back to almost normal in 6 weeks....if it is the other issue with ligaments, I have no idea what they will do.

As far as gh in this process is concerned, with soft tissue, as P said you need a high red blood cell count (which you may have if on gear noted) to speed up and possibly help the recovery process..the gh comes in when your collagen levels drop as a result of the increased red blood cell count....gh in 6-8 iu per day quantities will bring the collagen levels back up and in combo with the elevated red blood cell count can be very beneficial in some cases...key word some. Usually, eq is used to raise the red blood cell count as it has the least sides as opposed to deca etc.

As far as deca helping heal quicker, I do not agree with you here...it may be less painful due to the things that deca does but it definitely isn't making you heal faster..it may be masking the pain so again, be careful with the false security.

[Praetorian]

Deca will give you a false sense of security and you will cause more damage because you are just masking the pain. I would really suggest not looking at aas or gh and looking at tried and true methods as well as rest. A proper diagnosis and treatment will be much more beneficial.
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[Hosehead]

I'm going to tell you what you're going to find with your injuries...your elbow issue is one very common with hockey players from falling on elbows. They are going to want to tap it and drain it and administer a cortisone shot to speed up healing, anti-inflam etc. In 3 days after that procedure you are going to feel like you have been miracle healed and want to go crazy and lift...DO NOT do it. Stay very light similating physio therapy for at least 3 weeks. All the tendons etc in the vicinity of the injection are going to be super brittle and you are at extreme risk of futher damage which will be way worse than the original bursi issue.

As for your knee, if it is meniscus, unless your knee occassionally locks up, they are not going to cut you open and fix it. If it does lock at times, they will look at scoping you and cleaning it up and rehabbing you which will be a very quick rehab and you will be back to almost normal in 6 weeks....if it is the other issue with ligaments, I have no idea what they will do.

As far as gh in this process is concerned, with soft tissue, as P said you need a high red blood cell count (which you may have if on gear noted) to speed up and possibly help the recovery process..the gh comes in when your collagen levels drop as a result of the increased red blood cell count....gh in 6-8 iu per day quantities will bring the collagen levels back up and in combo with the elevated red blood cell count can be very beneficial in some cases...key word some. Usually, eq is used to raise the red blood cell count as it has the least sides as opposed to deca etc.

As far as deca helping heal quicker, I do not agree with you here...it may be less painful due to the things that deca does but it definitely isn't making you heal faster..it may be masking the pain so again, be careful with the false security.

Thanks for the advice. I did get a cortisone shot in it about 8 weeks ago and it did nothing. At that time the doctor did not want to drain it because he was worried about infecting it. I don't think he got the corstison into the joint properly. Anyhow, in the last twelve hours the fluid has gone down by 50-75 % with the addition of an elbow sleeve along with the RICE protocol. It's been two weeks with no pressing movements and I will continue to lay off those exercises for at least another 4 weeks. Then I will resume light lifting for another month. Nothing more than 225 for pressing moves. As for my knee it's been getting better with no training for two months now. By the time I get a ****ing MRI it may be better. I'm not doing anything but calves and stationary bike until I know what is going on.
As for the deca , I'm tapering off it starting now. Gonna continue with a little test. Test and rest with good nutrition.

[Hugheser]

What about HGH for PCT?

[Praetorian]

HGH does help with PCT...it is actually prescribed for older men with erectile dysfunction.
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[razorsedge]

HGH does help with PCT...it is actually prescribed for older men with erectile dysfunction.
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How old is "older"...lol

[cog]

I didn't know it was prescribed for anybody other than short statured children.

[razorsedge]

Actually a doc in BC has started a private practice / clinic where he is presribing HGH and viagra...its a private clinic setting and he is setting his mandate as "eternal youth", and "anti-aging"....but he does not advertise as such...almost covert like but so far huge success

[Praetorian]

I didn't know it was prescribed for anybody other than short statured children.

There are many "life extension" clinics in the US prescribing GH...thats why everyone in Hollywood is using it...and they charge a fortune.
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[cog]

I think the fear from the med/gov view here is that the unions would want it covered.Can you imagine the cost?Can you imagine how much would become available?