A few questions!

[TT Eric]

1) What brand of Olive oil do you use ? I did the test http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/786/Is_Your_Olive_Oil_Extra_Virgin.aspx and my 2 last buy stay liquid like canola, meaning it's not pure olive oil or a poor blend.

2) I know you said that taking Glutamine is only good for the gut health and has no anabolic property as most people claim. What about Glutamine peptides ? Since they are bounded and supposedly better absorbed, will this help being not being destroyed completely, meaning there might have some anabolic value ?

3) Is Glutamine Peptides is as healthy as L-Glutamine for gut's health ?

4) About BA, I'm taking 3g before breakfast and about 5g 30-45 before I train (normally around lunch time), does that sounds right ?

5) Why it is said that taking sugar with milk is bad ? I mean ok we know sugar is not good, but the way some people describe it (insulin tail spin), it seems even worse then eating candy or plain sugar.

Thanks Prae!

Eric

[Praetorian]

1. You want 100% cold pressed Extra Virgin olive oil...here is a good brand...http://www.elikioliveoil.com/index.html

2. Glutamine is anabolic the issue is getting it past the gut. Most studies done on the anabolic properties were done using IV administration not oral. This is the same issue as with Vitamin c...which has amazing anti cancer qualities but needs to be administered IV or you wont leave the bathroom all day. As for peptides see the article below

3. See article below

4.BA i assume you mean beta alanine...i usually take it before and during training...say 10g total

5. Sugar i snot good to begin with as for taking it with milk i dont see any issue except you are ingesting fat from the milk at the same time as your insulin spike so in essence you will deposit fat...that being said fat does blunt the insulin response from sugar...not sure why anyone would take sugar with milk anyway...drink raw milk on its own.

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Glutamine Peptide: The Truth

You may have read the ads. They claim glutamine peptide is superior to regular glutamine--by a factor of ten. And therefore you get a real bargain when you pay only three times more for glutamine peptide than for regular glutamine. Unfortunately, these claims are false.

The glutamine peptide scam is another example of misusing data to support an unsupportable claim. There seems to be an epidemic of that, these days.

Apply the "logic" used here to analyzing the difference between fruit and fruit juice. The body absorbs juice more quickly, but that doesn't make the juice better. In fact, you are merely creating a "short circuit" in the digestive process and creating a larger insulin response. You should not drink fruit juices for this reason. And, you should not take glutamine peptide for this reason. It simply does not help you.

John Scott, CEO of Nitro, has graciously provided the technical details, for those who want more information:



The question:
L-Glutamine vs. Glutamine Peptides what works better?
The short answer:
About the same with current evidence. Therefore, for most people, they will not experience a benefit of greater growth by taking a peptide form. It will generally just be more expensive. So I would recommend taking advantage of the better value and using my Nitro Micronized L-Glutamine.


The difference between glutamine peptides and regular L-glutamine
Peptides are different from free form amino acids because they are basically 2 or more amino acids (building blocks of proteins) which are chemically linked to each other. Your body naturally takes whole proteins (made of long chains of aminos) and breaks them down through a natural hydrolyzation process to produce smaller and smaller peptides so they can be absorbed. Free form aminos like regular L-glutamine are just the single amino acid.

The glutamine dipeptides are typically L-glutamine bonded with either L-Alanine or L-Glycine. So you can look at this two ways as either a positive or a negative.
1. Peptides have a faster absorption rate in peptide form.
Or 2. You are buying X number of grams of glutamine and in reality only getting 50% of that as actual glutamine.

Facts:
The maximum size amino chain your body can absorb is a 3 am ino peptide.
Nearly 75% of ingested protein is absorbed across the intestine in the form of peptides.

Why?
It is more efficient or “faster” for your body to absorb 3 am inos at a time vs. just one at a time. This is why companies say they are up to 150% more efficient than free form. Get it?

A problem with Peptides in my opinion:
Since amino acid peptides are more absorbed more quickly they may produce a greater insulin reaction. Depending on the timing this can be good or bad. Post workout is OK. However, most of the rest of the time you want to stabilize insulin reactions to avoid potential blood sugar fluctuations and subsequent possible body fat accumulation.

Research:
Other than speed of absorption, studies have shown that glutamine and glutamine dipeptides exert similar positive metabolic effects.

In one recent, double-blind, randomized, controlled study, duration of hospital stay was significantly reduced in patients who had undergone major abdominal surgery and who had received glutamine dipeptides via TPN over a five-day period. Mean cumulative nitrogen balance was significantly better in these patients, as was immune function.

The anticatabolic/anabolic action of both glutamine and glutamine dipeptides can be explained by their effect in sparing skeletal muscle L-glutamine stores. Most of the L-glutamine in the body is synthesized in skeletal muscle, where it is also stored. Under conditions of metabolic stress, skeletal muscle can be depleted of its L-glutamine, which is used for metabolic activities of other tissue/cells, such as enterocytes and lymphocytes (feeding the immune system to protect your main antioxidant glutathione).

The gastrointestinal mucosal-protective effect of the glutamine dipeptides can be explained in a few ways. L-glutamine is the preferred respiratory fuel for enterocytes and colonocytes. Maintaining the bioenergetics of these cells is fundamental to maintaining the integrity of the intestine. In addition, L-glutamine helps maintain secretory IgA, which functions primarily by preventing the attachment of bacteria to mucosal cells

[TT Eric]

Thanks!

1) It seems the best way to get Eliki Olive oil is online ? Never saw that brand anywhere sold in store. Found it for 49.99$/3 liters on : https://parthenonfoods.com/

5) About sugar and milk, I'm obviously not putting sugar in my milk, I eat now around 175-200g of carbs per day. I rarely eat big cheat meals, but among those daily carbs I noticed I'm always leaning toward something like :

- 30-40g of fibrous cereal with 1/2 cup of milk (I was taking skim, but after some reading about oxidated cholesterol I'm now with 1% milk)
- 0.5 cup of lactose free ice cream with 1-2 cup of fresh berries,
- Or 1.5cup (33g of carbs) of lactose free chocolate 1% milk with whey (it's sounds weird but this is my ultimate cheat, I choose that eye closed before cheese cake, candy, chips, cookies, whatever) NOT PWO as you told me not to, but either pre-workout or in the evening.
- Cheese and fruits

And if I was to have a cheat meal, it would be pancake with a huge glass of milk. Or in summer a good DQ blizzard with tons of lactose pills.

As you can see I'm always leaning toward involving something sugary with Dairy and wanted to know if its ok to fit this in my daily diet or I should PITA cut most of it.

Thanks

Eric

[Praetorian]

A cheat meal is fine...for that meal try to keep carbs the highest...ie pancakes or waffles or pasta...you can find gluten free recipes and ingredients for these...the addition of ice cream or milk is fine...off season i would say a cheat meal is essential even a cheat day.
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[TT Eric]

What I mean is that everyday in my 175-200g carb, I include reasonable portion of milk, chocolate milk and sometime ice cream, is it ok on a daily basis ?

If I was to listen CP I should cast out all dairy from my diet.

Thanks

Eric

[Praetorian]

Dairy is allergenic...if it was raw milk I'd be ok with it...but chocolate milk and iced cream...those are cheat meals and have no place in our regular diet.
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[TT Eric]

Dang! That's wanted to know (or not lol)! I'm kinda dairyolic. Even lactose free dairy is allergenic ?

BTW I ordered some eliki olive oil from internet (84$ US shipped with custom) not cheap but seems to be worth it after some reads about it!

Thanks

Eric

[Praetorian]

There is no such thing as lactose free...all they do is add lactase to it...most people who are lactose intolerant can still drink raw milk without issue...the pasteurization process kills the enzymes necessary for digestion.
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[TT Eric]

I had the chance to talk with my chiro today, I had a full evaluation and we had an interesting talk as he too is into training, grass-fed beef, low carbs, high EFA, high protein, John Meadows diet, saturated fat is ok (moderately), no wheat/gluten, ETC... he told me Dairy is a no-no (except for raw milk and seemed to find acceptable some kind of yogurt) for the reason that the pasteurized milk not only has killed the enzymes, but has also denatured the protein in the milk, dairy are very inflammatory, take down the immune system with time and can form bad nutriments absorption/hole in the gut even if I seems to tolerate it very well. So he suggested me to replace the dairy with almonds milk which I cannot cause I'm allergic to all kind of nuts, so he told me to go toward rice milk, I bought some wand will give a try, but there is still lots of carbs in it, so very moderately I will go.

I don't mind putting aside my favorite food on earth, but I like to understand the why to justify it.

Just sharing the info if it can help anyone else!

Thanks for your time Prae!

Eric

[Praetorian]

I hear ya...he is definitely on the right track. Try to find raw milk if you can...it is available you just need to find a cow share program...it works wonders for building muscle!
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[TT Eric]

I'm guessing pasteurized egg whites are not good either, right ?

Eric

[Praetorian]

Egg whites do not contain the same enzymes such as lactase which pasteurization destroys...thus they arent affected as much...the pasteurization is used to kill salmonella.
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[TT Eric]

Ok it does not denature the protein like in the milk ?

And pasteurization of the juice, like vegetable juice is ok too then ?

Eric

[Praetorian]

You usually cook egg whites before eating them and that temperature is higher than pasteurization so it really should have minimal affect if any. I avoid juices....they are just concentrated carbs....eat the veggies or fruits whole.
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