Blood Work Help!!

[19inchCannons]

Hey P,

Got my bloodwork back. This is what it looks like taking 600-800mg test400 a week.

Testosterone 110.0 (7.6-31.4nmol/L)
Prolactin 15. (<18ug/L)
Progesterone 6.5 (0.7-4.3 nmol/L)
Estradiol - 665. (<157 pmol/L)

I have aromasin and letro on hand, can you recommend dosage and protocol please?

Many thanks!

[Praetorian]

Start with 12.5mg aromasin ED...see how that goes for a week or two.
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[19inchCannons]

thanks P, I already asked you for help and I was on 25mg aromasin ed for probably 2-3 weeks. Have no libido and want to fall asleep. Also seems like Im loosing muscle. If I'm at this point maybe I should be giving letro a try? I'm ten weeks into T400 at 600mg/week. Obviously my levels are through the roof, it may be easier to just crush them and then try and manage them as I seem to be sensitive to e2. Thanks a lot for the help

[Praetorian]

Are you seeing estro sides..ie gyno, excessive water retention...I would start things at a lower dose and move higher if necessary...crushing estro is asking for trouble...you need a balance.You wont lose muscle from higher estro. Letro and aromasin do the same thing. .25mg ED of letro is a good start. Remember low estro kills sex drive...i have never seen high estro do that.
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[19inchCannons]

I have water retention and bloat. I'm also not making the gains I should be. Estro is taking up receptors? 665. is a huge e2 reading. Its gonna be hard to get that with just aromasin. Plus I have to think about progesterone being high. Letro seems to help with that too. Will take dostinex too? Just not sure aromasin by itself is going to do it. The reading is really high

[Praetorian]

665 is huge compared to what? You need to compare apples to apples...what is the estradiol reading of another patient running similar levels of test....is it the same? do they experience the same sides....you need a baseline before you can say its high and its causing a specific effect. How long have you been on?
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[19inchCannons]

only been on 8 weeks. before that off for 4 months

[natenator]

What were your previous e2 readings?

[19inchCannons]

i have no idea what my readings were before but lets just say the last time i went on cycle this exact same problem happened and i came off thinking it would correct the problem. never got bloods and went back on in december, and now I'm at this point again. really starting to loose it. thanks for trying to help!

[Praetorian]

At 600mg weekly your estro shouldnt be that high...most guys would not use any estro control at that dosage..I would suggets trying tamoxifen to see what happens. You should see results faster because it is a SERM and not an AI....so estro site will be blocked and you should be able to tell if estro is causing the issue.
Try 10mg twice daily...see what happens in a week.
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[19inchCannons]

So I've been taking Medi letro and aromasin 2.5mg alternating with 25mg aromasin the next day. So one day i take letro the other asin. I am also taking dostinex. Two weeks since I started taking all this shit again and still no difference. So how about that high estrogen...

[Praetorian]

Running two different AI's wont do much...one is fine for estro control. Again i have never heard of anyone having libido issues because of high estrogen, water retention, gyno yes but libido never. I would suggest going off all aas and running PCT to normalize and get everything back to base line. At this point there are just too many variables to be sure what is happening and taking more things is not going to help.
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[19inchCannons]

I feel fine, just really tired and no sex drive or libido. Dick is half hard too. My bloodwork health-wise was perfect. Everything from cholesterol to kidneys and liver. The only thing off the charts were e2 and progesterone. I'm gonna go to an endocrinologist at the end of the month. Thank for trying to help - but obviously this is a much more serious issue than to be looking for help on a forum for.

[Praetorian]

I would think most of your issues are coming from the progesterone...that I could see definitely causing lack of libido...deca dick is a common issue caused by high progesterone from nandrolone in those who are sensitive to it....that would be my best guess.
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[19inchCannons]

thank you P. I am taking the cabaser/dostinex for that...maybe I will up the dose.

[19inchCannons]

hey P. I've been taking Letro for a month now. last two weeks I bumped up to 5mg every day. I have also been taking aromasin with it. first 25 mg ed, then 50, and just started taking 100. Still no libido at all. Boners I can get.

[Praetorian]

Get blood work and check your estro and progesterone levels...in all honesty you should be gong off everything...and normalizing.
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[19inchCannons]

So I went off and did PCT and then did bloodwork.

This is my test results from 3 weeks ago after PCT.

Test - 16.3 M: 7.6-31.4 nmol/L
Progesterone - 2.9 0.7-4.3 nmol/L
Estradiol <46. <157 pmol/L


I've been back on cycle shooting 100mg test prop ed for the last 8 days. Also taking 70 mg dbol daily. I feel a pump and my erections are better but I have no libido and I'm really tired. I don't really feel "on" yet. I am not taking an AI, I stopped taking Arimidex with the end of my PCT at the end of May. What can it be?

Thank you in advance P :)

[Praetorian]

Why would you go back on so quickly...sometimes it takes a few months for things to get back to normal. My friend went off last Sept and wasnt normal until march. If you are going to go back on you should really do a TRT dosage using long ester to see how you feel with that...libido may take a week or two with that.
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[natenator]

Why would you go back on so quickly...sometimes it takes a few months for things to get back to normal. My friend went off last Sept and wasnt normal until march. If you are going to go back on you should really do a TRT dosage using long ester to see how you feel with that...libido may take a week or two with that.
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Probably a 20-24 yr with the patience of autistic kid wanting what he wants when he wants it without putting in the time required to earn it.

I could be wrong tho.

[natenator]

So I went off and did PCT and then did bloodwork.

This is my test results from 3 weeks ago after PCT.

Test - 16.3 M: 7.6-31.4 nmol/L
Progesterone - 2.9 0.7-4.3 nmol/L
Estradiol <46. <157 pmol/L


I've been back on cycle shooting 100mg test prop ed for the last 8 days. Also taking 70 mg dbol daily. I feel a pump and my erections are better but I have no libido and I'm really tired. I don't really feel "on" yet. I am not taking an AI, I stopped taking Arimidex with the end of my PCT at the end of May. What can it be?

Thank you in advance P :)

Have you looked st thyroid function blood work? If not, get some done.

[19inchCannons]

Why would you go back on so quickly...sometimes it takes a few months for things to get back to normal. My friend went off last Sept and wasnt normal until march. If you are going to go back on you should really do a TRT dosage using long ester to see how you feel with that...libido may take a week or two with that.
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I went back on because I got bloodwork done 5 times in the last 4 months and my health was perfect every time. I had perfect bloodwork, perfect thyroid, perfect prostate, perfect PSA, perfect liver values, RBC, everything. The only values out of whack on any test were Testosterone, Progesterone, and E2. So I understand you guys are really smart and experienced, and yes I did go back on quick, but if you look at the last bloodwork my E2 is off the charts low and progesterone and T is within range and I have only been off for 1 month at that point. I did a really big PCT with nova, clomid, and a little letro for 2 weeks. I also took arimidex. I am waiting for the prop to kick in and make me feel like an animal but it's been 9 days on Prop and 7 days off the AI and I think my e2 still hasn't bounced back from PCT. I can get it up very good but have no drive.. So thanks to both of you for the answer. Maybe I will go on TRT for life after this if nothing works. And Nate yes, I am only 25 but I've been doing this for 8 years straight so I am far from a rookie. I understand that you think I'm an idiot, and I am, but I have built a national level body and I'm going to compete. I need my libido back.

[19inchCannons]

my e2 is probably crushed from the letro and I just haven't converted enough from the test yet to balance it out?

[Praetorian]

That is possible...prop will take awhile to get estro levels up...long ester is more natural and preferred.
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[19inchCannons]

Thank you P. If I have a vial of HCG is there any use for it or just save it?

[Praetorian]

Save it.
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