PWO shake(s)!

[TT Eric]

Do you mix the waxy maze with the whey and creatine and other stuff all together or you take them separately ? Some says it's better to take the carbs before then the proteins 15min after.

Thanks

Eric

[Praetorian]

Together is fine.
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[TT Eric]

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Eric

[Sean Summers]

What about 14 mins Prae???
I heard that is better.

[#8]

the malto from cp.com makes the shake taste better. its thicker, and tastes kinda like marshmallows with the malto added. taking it together is the best part dude

[TT Eric]

Thanks for the tip!

Lately I'm on plain waxy from TN and I cannot say it make the shake taste better, it barely change the taste of the shake, but I really like the results and it mixes very well, it's fast absorbed, doesn't leave a bloated feeling.

Eric

[Praetorian]

What about 14 mins Prae???
I heard that is better.

LOL you are a funny guy!
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[ironwill]

the malto from cp.com makes the shake taste better. its thicker, and tastes kinda like marshmallows with the malto added. taking it together is the best part dude
Malto from TN makes it taste like marshmallows, and angel tears all at once, go Truenutrition.....lol

14 mins makes the difference between nationals and novice folks, tune in, and turn on....lol

[cog]

Wasn't the 15 mins what Palumbo said?

[TT Eric]

Lots of BB's swear it better to space carbs and protein after the training for some reason. I think it's a legitimate question. To have success in bodybuilding you need factors like :

Genetics, work hard and intelligently, eat the right food/supplements at the right time, get proper rest to training ratio and be consistent year after year.

Genetics is the one factor we are born with. One with great genetics can be more sloppy on the other factors and still get great results, one that is not born with Ronnies's genetic can only rely on the other factors to achieve it's maximum potential. There is no shame trying to gather valuable information so one can work hard with intelligence to maximize all other factors contributing to reach it's potential.

Eric

[ironwill]

Lots of BB's swear it better to space carbs and protein after the training for some reason. I think it's a legitimate question. To have success in bodybuilding you need factors like :

Genetics, work hard and intelligently, eat the right food/supplements at the right time, get proper rest to training ratio and be consistent year after year.

Genetics is the one factor we are born with. One with great genetics can be more sloppy on the other factors and still get great results, one that is not born with Ronnies's genetic can only rely on the other factors to achieve it's maximum potential. There is no shame trying to gather valuable information so one can work hard with intelligence to maximize all other factors contributing to reach it's potential.

Eric

Agreed, but then there is the whole wasting a shitload of time and energy and increasing cortisol levels, for something that is so simple it doesnt make an iota of difference in 15 mins, 20 mins, 30, or 45 mins....,,,,even after yrs and yrs of doing it cosistently etc........

Everyones perception is different in what is VALUABLE information....:hu

[Praetorian]

Lots of BB's swear it better to space carbs and protein after the training for some reason. I think it's a legitimate question. To have success in bodybuilding you need factors like :

Genetics, work hard and intelligently, eat the right food/supplements at the right time, get proper rest to training ratio and be consistent year after year.

Genetics is the one factor we are born with. One with great genetics can be more sloppy on the other factors and still get great results, one that is not born with Ronnies's genetic can only rely on the other factors to achieve it's maximum potential. There is no shame trying to gather valuable information so one can work hard with intelligence to maximize all other factors contributing to reach it's potential.

Eric

Its a good question...but in the overall scheme of things it will not make any significant difference. In BB genetics is the ace card...if you have superior genetics you can as Eric said get away with being sloppy on training, diet, cycle etc and still look incredible. This is why many novice BB make the mistake of picking the IFBB Pro who looks better then everyone else as their trainer...what they dont realize is many of these guys never had to train perfectly, eat perfectly etc to get to where they are. Someone with less then optimal genetics who has gone far has had to perfect every aspect of BB to be able to compete...thats who you want coaching you.
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[TT Eric]

I hear you.

If I can give some example why in my background perspective, details can make a significant difference. I have begin to train when I was a teenager and through those year I made lots of mistake that cost me lots of results.

For example, in my early years, the first 3 years I trained extremely hard but without a good structure, I made some strength progress and took only 15lbs over those 3 years. Then I've been coached to train with a better structure and added protein shake daily, I suddenly took 45 pounds in a year, triple the results in 3x less time.

I always been a hard worker in the gym.

Then I lost 1.5'' and 1.25'' inch on my arms in ONLY 2 weeks (It might be hard to believe but I was measuring them every week and kept note on all progress) I was a teenager with 26.5'' legs and 14.5'' arms wtf. I kinda plateaued for almost 2 years, only gained back 1'' of arms after 2 years. I was training intensely with the CNS depressed, I learned the hard way about overtraining. When I learned about proper ratio of training vs rest (and carbs after training) arms went from 15.5'' to about 17'' in less then a year. Made considerable strength gain too.

In my experience, I saw people getting amazing results whatever they do, my former training partner had such a genetic he could train sloppy and get amazing results. Me it seems I always was very sensible to every change, a little thing here and there can make me loose or gain. For example, 2 weeks ago when Prae suggested me to raise my protein and fat macro intake, so far I took 3 pounds in 2 weeks. Little change, considerable results.

In fact, when there was a new supplement on the market everyone wanted me to try it, because I could see pretty fast the results, if there was any.

I can go on and give more example on all the mistakes I did when I went competing on my own.

Maybe many of you are blessed with a great genetic and whatever you do, it goes, me from my point of view, details are important, small changes can bring valuable results.

I have been out of the loop for many years because I had 3 compressed disks/hernia, now I'm back and I've found this amazing forum with tons of great BBs, that is not full of junk like many other places, where I can have true answers, I am so happy to have found this forum, maybe I'm a bit overwhelming with all my questions, but I'm a fast learner, when I learn something it sticks. So better get the right stuff right ASAP then later.

Eric

[Shaun73]

bro i feel your pain. I had an L4l5 herniation 3 years ago. I couldnt even bend over to put on my socks, or shoes. Now im as strong as i ever was but still have limitations to my training. I still cant ever do dead lifts, even at one plate i get back pumps that give me painful sciatica. Even with some exercise limitations i have packed on 20 lbs of muscle on my frame. And i plan to keep growing :p

As far as the post workout shakes i just started taking waxy maize with whey protein. Call me old school but i never used to do this until now. There are some people who still firmly believe it is marketing hype. I like how my waxy maize tastes with chocolate whey so im gonna stick to that for now lol. I would love to poke some insulin post workout and then down that shake but im not at that level of using slin yet

[TT Eric]

Yeah dead lift is a no-no for me, even squat with only the barbell gave me pain the last time I tried in 2003-04, didn't tried it since. Maybe one day!

From my own experience it's not marketing sh!t. IIRC First time I was reading about it was in 89, it was a period where the carbo drink were very popular, they were like 87g of carbs from maltodextrine from strength systems (sold by Manuel Moniz when he was a distributor and not a manufacturer), but people were taking it before and during exercise, not after. It was a period where people were focusing more on high carbs then protein but always before training never after. And then I saw some studies about the glycogen replenishment after work-out, AKA preparing your next workout, I remember people like Gapspari was saying he was taking some fruits after training. So I decided to givea try to the carbs after the training and saw a difference, energy levels were higher and it helped put some mass (granted I was always on the edge of overtraining).

Now I'm going with 75g WM and 50g Whey + creatine + ALA and I can say I feel a 'pump' maybe 30-45mins after the PWO shake. Things you don't feel without a PWO shake with carbs.

Maybe the fact that I eat not that much carbs and usually low GI, I feel it more then normal (?), but I can say energy levels are good for my age (41).

Eric