Pro Quality-Tan. Makeup. Hair.

[69challenger]

Message from the President



On behalf of the Ontario Physique association I want to offer my congratulations to Nina Luchka, Pamela Bortmes and Dianne Martins who have teamed up together to form their new company Pro Quality Tanning, Hair and Makeup.



This team has stepped up to the plate this year to be the exclusive Ontario Physique Association Tanning, hair and makeup team. They will work exclusively with the OPA and are the official sponsor of all our sanctioned OPA regional and Natural Ontario’s competition held in Ontario.



You can count on them attending all our events and bringing a professional level of expertise that is expected from the OPA and its members.



Sincerely,

Ron Hache

[natenator]

what a complete bunch of bullshit.

OPA is turning to pure scum with moves like this. Was there an open bidding process or did OPA just pick their favoured love child and be damned with the company that offers the *best* service and value to competitors?

[Delt King]

I don't know what to say about this decision...
Personally i'm going with Dan if he decides to work any shows...his Tans are bar none the best i've ever seen and i kick myself for not booking with him at Nationals.

[Sean Summers]

Well the OPA didn't contact us to let us know of a bidding process.

Thanks DK...you'll get a discount for saying that! :excited

[Praetorian]

I don't know what to say about this decision...
Personally i'm going with Dan if he decides to work any shows...his Tans are bar none the best i've ever seen and i kick myself for not booking with him at Nationals.

Agreed...Dan did my tan at the Nationals and it was much better than any Jan Tana I've done in the past...highly recommend him.
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[PrincessPamela]

It's unfortunate that you feel this way, but in no way did the OPA choose "it's love child" as you so elegantly put it. They choose the team that had the most experience in providing Pro Quality work and was able to back it up. The artists from this team have years of experience in tanning, hair and make up and have worked on IFBB Pro's worldwide! This is why we were choosen!

[natenator]

It's unfortunate that you feel this way, but in no way did the OPA choose "it's love child" as you so elegantly put it. They choose the team that had the most experience in providing Pro Quality work and was able to back it up. The artists from this team have years of experience in tanning, hair and make up and have worked on IFBB Pro's worldwide! This is why we were choosen!

That may be true of your credentials but without an open bidding process it of reeks of favourtism. If you were really the best, then an open bidding process would have proven that.

[PrincessPamela]

We cannot control the fact that you did not represent yourself in an OPA fashion, nor can we explain why you had not previously thought of what we brought to the table. The fact remains we are here stay!

[loriann]

Our bidding happens every January, anyone familiar with the OPA knows this. We cannot "wait" for companies who are not progressive to submit bids.

[Sean Summers]

It's unfortunate that you feel this way, but in no way did the OPA choose "it's love child" as you so elegantly put it. They choose the team that had the most experience in providing Pro Quality work and was able to back it up. The artists from this team have years of experience in tanning, hair and make up and have worked on IFBB Pro's worldwide! This is why we were choosen!

How would they know this? They didn't call us for our credentials. They didn't do that with Cherry either.
Fact is we were the first in Ontario to offer spray tans to athletes - we were the first to use Jan Tana here. And now we are the first to use Liquid Sun Rayz.

Let me give you all a little back story...
The OPA started with the exclusive tanning deals last year. I thought it was a bad idea for several reasons which will be listed below. I spoke with Cherry (another tanner) at the Ontario Naturals last year. She was the official tanner. She paid $500 to be the official tanner. I think she tanned 3-4 clients. At $100 a pop she lost money. My suggestion to Cherry and Nena was that we approach the OPA and offer them $200 or $300 each. This way the OPA would have 3 tanning teams and make $600-$900 per show from the tanners. I'm not certain what they are making now per show but I would think it would be in the range of $500 from the official tanner. More money would have been made for the OPA if my option was selected. Not only that the athlete would have the option to go with one of the three tanning teams...now they only have one choice. I wanted a win-win situation for all involved - the OPA, the tanners and the athletes. Unfortunately, all are losing. The tanners could have paid less, the OPA would have made more and the athletes would have the chance to go with who they wanted to.
Please don't be fooled by what was posted by PrincessPamala (who I'm guessing is the Pamala who is involved with the official tanning group). My wife and I have always prided ourselves in giving back and part of that was staying with the athlete until the night was over. We have heard the horror stories of Pam not coming back to the night show (now she's involved with the new official tanning team) to help their athlete. I know because I took pity on her clients and helped them out on more than one occasion.
With the title of Official Tanner my concern is what is the OPA going to do when a tanner gets bad service? Since they are endorsing the new tanning team they are now involved in the athlete's tan just as much as the tanner. To keep their hands clean the OPA should have just went with a $200-$300 fee, capped it at a max of 3 tanning crews and dropped the "official" title.
But hey what the hell do I know...

[Sean Summers]

Our bidding happens every January, anyone familiar with the OPA knows this. We cannot "wait" for companies who are not progressive to submit bids.

Well, obviously not as the other tanning teams didn't know this. It's quite simple to put a post up on your FB OPA site...but you chose not to. How about including it in your Bi-laws? I think my option was more "progressive" than the current one.

[loriann]

You're more than welcome to team up with the official WBFF tanning crew...we're not stopping you. As a strict rule set forth by the CBBF Chairman....we are able to vote in exclusive companies who have no affliation with any other group. A "non-competiton" business clause is pretty standard. And FYI we don't CHASE companies....the companies who are willing to contribute and dedicate thier teams come to us every January, you've been around long enough to know this but you seem to have an issue with our current Executive Dan..we've proven our success, now we've recruited partnerships to bring us further and give our members THE BEST service which we are confident in.....we will always stand behind our Official companies.

[loriann]

FYI.....we didn't have any exclusive anything last year (there were many "unofficial" tanners sneaking backstage"). We had "official services".... so if anyone needs a "background" or REAL OPA facts please contact me because our past members are NOT up to spead on the current OPA .

[Sean Summers]

Let's see how confident you are when the tanners are green on stage. Obviously you don't want to admit the OPA didn't look at all their options. That's fine. I am looking out for the athletes...you are looking out for yourself.

[loriann]

Well, obviously not as the other tanning teams didn't know this. It's quite simple to put a post up on your FB OPA site...but you chose not to. How about including it in your Bi-laws? I think my option was more "progressive" than the current one.

Actually we had many bids.....

[Sean Summers]

Cherry was the official tanner for OPA Naturals and Jan Tana was the exclusive tanner for the OPA Provincials. Maybe you should get your facts straight. As a representative of the OPA you should know this and not have to have a non-member remind you.

[Sean Summers]

Actually we had many bids.....

Yeah sure you did. If you need to tells lies to win an argument you should just stop now.

[Sean Summers]

now we've recruited partnerships to bring us further and give our members THE BEST service which we are confident in

The best service you could bring your members is to give them more options - see above.

[loriann]

Let's see how confident you are when the tanners are green on stage. Obviously you don't want to admit the OPA didn't look at all their options. That's fine. I am looking out for the athletes...you are looking out for yourself.

Wow... your ego needs to be checked out the window!!! I am an open book who you may not like because we've built the OPA to be the best it can be but C'mon.... don't start slandering fellow companies.... Green eh? You're pretty funny...... I've judged many athletes from EVERY TANNER who has had not so great tans, yourself included----sometimes its not the tanning company but how the process is followed, we don't "blame" anyone because we are ALL professionals in the sport and who know what can happen. We looked out for all our Options...and we had some incrediblel support, didn't see you anywhere. The members of the OPA will be well taken care of......you can guarantee that!!!!!!!

[loriann]

You're more than welcome to team up with the official WBFF tanning crew...we're not stopping you. As a strict rule set forth by the CBBF Chairman....we are able to vote in exclusive companies who have no affliation with any other group. A "non-competiton" business clause is pretty standard. And FYI we don't CHASE companies....the companies who are willing to contribute and dedicate thier teams come to us every January, you've been around long enough to know this but you seem to have an issue with our current Executive Dan..we've proven our success, now we've recruited partnerships to bring us further and give our members THE BEST service which we are confident in.....we will always stand behind our Official companies.

[natenator]

Our bidding happens every January, anyone familiar with the OPA knows this. We cannot "wait" for companies who are not progressive to submit bids.

Anyone familiar with how open bidding works knows there is an RFP process where companies are encouraged to submit their proposals for tender. So, I am curious as to where and who RFP's were submitted?

[loriann]

Cherry was the official tanner for OPA Naturals and Jan Tana was the exclusive tanner for the OPA Provincials. Maybe you should get your facts straight. As a representative of the OPA you should know this and not have to have a non-member remind you.

You JUST PROVED my point!!! OMG.. Cherry was "official: for one show LAST YEAR....however with Mark's new rules she will NOT will be working with the CBBF affliates due to her WBFF affliation. And Jan Tana is ABSOLUTELY on board for the SUPERSHOW.. ---one show!! Those were not blanket contracts... so GET YOUR facts straight!!!!!

[PrincessPamela]

Dan, You clearly are not informed of how things run in the IFBB world when it comes to an "Official" team. Just because you were the first doesn't mean you are the best. We were trained and worked with the guru herself! One of our team mates was THE first Canadian to have the honour of working along side her week after week, doing 40 hours of labour in a 2 day period! Servicing way more clients than you can ever imagine. We thought of following suit here in Canada to bring that professionalism here aswell. Please, let's not talk about "touching up" other companies tans, because trust me, we have as well. There is a reason LSR is not allowed on any premises of the IFBB organizations in the U.S. We would know! So please.....let stop slandering and move on.

[PrincessPamela]

Also Dan.....I had one show exclusive last year (Sudbury)......fool to everyone else because it was my best show of the year!

[Sean Summers]

now we've recruited partnerships to bring us further and give our members THE BEST service which we are confident in

The best service you could bring your members is to give them more options - see above.

[natenator]

I could careless about WHO got what. What I care about is that a fair process was followed, so I would like to ask, again, where the RFP's for an official tanner were made public (as in how did people find out to submit their bid), when the bidding process was opened and when the bidding process was closed and who was part of the big selection committee to select a vendor?

[Sean Summers]

FYI.....we didn't have any exclusive anything last year

Once again Jan was the exclusive.

[Sean Summers]

LSR is not banned at IFBB shows. Dream Tan is. Funny how you were begging Marilyn of LSR to use her product.

[loriann]

Some people get very confused with certain words, which is fine.......we are very willing to teach. Last year we had some "official" services throughout the OPA and at certain shows..... we did not have any "exclusive" service provides except for our supershow which Jan Tana had and still has the honours. However, for 2012, we have chosen, out of the companies who were willing to serve our membershp without conflict, the best company and TEAM of professional we feel will serve the OPA membership the best.

[loriann]

I could careless about WHO got what. What I care about is that a fair process was followed, so I would like to ask, again, where the RFP's for an official tanner were made public (as in how did people find out to submit their bid), when the bidding process was opened and when the bidding process was closed and who was part of the big selection committee to select a vendor?

its opened from the end of the previous season to the beginning of January of the new year. If you were familiar with the OPA you would know this. The selection commitee consists of of the Executive council.

[Sean Summers]

I could careless about WHO got what. What I care about is that a fair process was followed, so I would like to ask, again, where the RFP's for an official tanner were made public (as in how did people find out to submit their bid), when the bidding process was opened and when the bidding process was closed and who was part of the big selection committee to select a vendor?

That was my original point Nate. Would we have gotten the nod. Probably not. As we have very demanding jobs weekend work is a priority so tanning takes the back burner. We wouldn't be able to commit to all the OPA shows. I would just like it to be fair if a so-called bidding process was being used.
As I said previously, look at a win-win situation because the current one isn't.
I think there is another thread on CBB about the Nationals and what happened there....look it up.

[PrincessPamela]

Yep Dan....Im not a person that says jan Tana product is the best or LSR is the best or Pro Tan is the best.....In true reality.....not everyones skin and PH balance of their skin can take every colour. I actually didn't BEG Marilyn for LSR I did tell her I would like to try it out on some of my competitors....the ones that ALWAYS come to ME because of MY service that I give them...not necessarily because of the colour. I look at whats best for my clients so if Jan Tana product doesn't take to their skin then I will find a colour that will.

[Sean Summers]

If you were familiar with the OPA you would know this.

Oh brother....

[natenator]

its opened from the end of the previous season to the beginning of January of the new year. If you were familiar with the OPA you would know this. The selection commitee consists of of the Executive council.

So where in the Bylaws (http://www.physiqueassociation.ca/pdfs/OPABYLAWS2011.pdf) does it state when the bidding time frame for vendor services is? I don't see anything in these bylaws that state it.

[PrincessPamela]

Maybe you should be asking the NPC & IFBB Why they don't give Options.....I think they are a very successful organization, it works & it keeps things simple. Dan you & I both no that no matter what IF you have a clientele base they will be loyal to you no matter what. Pro quality I am sure will not tan absolutely every athlete of the show because let it be true....hell they do have their favourites! BUT We, Pro Quality we are exclusive what we bid is between us & the executives of the OPA, we also have items in our contract that MUST be fulfilled and we will make sure that they are all fulfilled. We support the Ontario Physique Association 100% and as a competitor myself I am very excited to see the direction of the OPA over the past few years. Happy Training!!!

[Sean Summers]

The selection commitee consists of of the Executive council.

Hmmm... Nena is part of the new tanning team and her husband, Vince, is on the executive council.....hmmmm.

We actually like Nena and Vince so it's not personal. They are "good people".

[loriann]

Hmmm... Nena is part of the new tanning team and her husband, Vince, is on the executive council.....hmmmm.

We actually like Nena and Vince so it's not personal. They are "good people".

Its "NINA" .....

[loriann]

Its "NINA" .....

And yes NINA has FULLY supported the OPA... unlike some who slander our association and speak negativatly about us to our own!!!

[Sean Summers]

No....

It's "NINA" ....

Sorry Nina...if you are reading this...

[natenator]

So where in the Bylaws (http://www.physiqueassociation.ca/pdfs/OPABYLAWS2011.pdf) does it state when the bidding time frame for vendor services is? I don't see anything in these bylaws that state it.

*cough*

[PrincessPamela]

OMG....
YES Nina, Dianne & Myself have all been reading this thread!

[Sean Summers]

Now it's negative.... Ok. I guess one can't make a suggestion that will benefit all without it being deemed as negative. Wow.


My comments about "green" competitors wasn't about the tanners. I know full well that if a competitor doesn't prep their skin correctly then problems will arise. I am about options. What will the new tanners be using? I think Jan Tana's products. With options then problems are less likely to happen. LA you are reading too much into this. Instead of getting your back up against the wall you should be open to suggestions...and not view them as slander, a negative comment...etc.

[Sean Summers]

Nate...because there isn't.

[natenator]

Nate...because there isn't.

But anyone familiar with the OPA would know this so then it would stand to reason that because it's so well known it would be within the OPA bylaws.

[PrincessPamela]

A perfect tan comes from proper skin prep.... some peoples PH levels are much different then others. IF a client brings me a product to airbrush them with then I will for sure use it. YES we will be using the Jan tana product and I have also a new organic product.
Dan, I don't think Lori Ann is getting her back up against the wall...she is being pushed there. You out right call the OPA Scum! The OPA is like a family and the want and NEED positive people within there organization to make it continue to grow.....badgering, name calling and slander are all unhealthy and unproductive. Whats done is done for 2012, lets please move on....

[Sean Summers]

You out right call the OPA Scum

Could someone please show me where I said this....FFS. Geesh.

[PrincessPamela]

NOT you, Nate...sorry my apologies

[natenator]

NOT you, Nate...sorry my apologies

Prove me wrong by telling me WHERE it states in the OPA bylaws the vendor bidding process and timelines for vendor bid submissions?

Forgive me if i don't suckhole along and play nice. When i see something that seems to stink i call a spade a spade until proven otherwise.

[phatkid77]

bla bla bla i say... heres where i see a problem.. a BIG one.. i agree with Dan... Options 4 athletes.... i predict the potential is very high that the demand placed on ONE tanner will be too much... with 100+ competitors... i smell disaster if alot choose this option...and there is ONLY 1.... unless they charge close to $200... then im sure that wont be an issue

pretty sure for one show last yr athletes were scrambling...a tanner was MIA... they were late....ect ect..im sure as "official" tanner there will be accountabilty... but you can only do so much.. i have no clue how long a process it is to tan one person...

having said all that... IF the athletes are number one concern..for BOTH... OPA and pamela... could both, posssibly agree..to drop "official" tanner status, and allow dan and the other company to attend shows to BETTER SERVE competitiors?? it sounds win win and logical... who would be losing here???

egos aside.. no right or wrong...would that no make perfect sense?
phats

[phatkid77]

So after rereading. The 1 upside is "pro quality tans" willbe at ALL shows...

Also... It wasn't dan that said OPA was pure scum, as he was confused where that came from.. See post #1..lol ;)

[natenator]

So where in the Bylaws (http://www.physiqueassociation.ca/pdfs/OPABYLAWS2011.pdf) does it state when the bidding time frame for vendor services is? I don't see anything in these bylaws that state it.

I'm still waiting :)

[phatkid77]

I'm finding it hard to believe that the persons that can answer or offer insight to my question hasn't yet read it.. Guess it made too much sense? OR somethings "a miss"......

[reinforcements]

just had my tan done this past weekend for the festival city Stratford championships.... impeccable customer service... very professional, friendly, their team really helped to put the mind at ease and take some stress out of last minute preparations.

[Delt King]

Glad they came through for you...and i agree your tan did look fantastic.

[kramsay]

Glad someones tan turned out ok because Pamela booked me for a tan, took my money and then never showed up. It's been weeks and she still hasn't issued me a refund or even answered my email. She did this to at least 1 other woman at UFE Chaos as well. She flat out stole $135 from each of us. Terrible business...stay away from her for sure.

[shannyj]

I had a great tan, hair, & make-up this show......looked like a million $$. Even though I didn't win, I felt like a winner! Thanks Pro Quality!

[natenator]

So apparently Pro Quality Tan has been dissolved and now delivering 'official' tanning for the OPA until the end of the year will Absolute Touch run by Pamala Bortman. I'm curious if that Pamala is the same one who posted in this thread.

Also curious if there was an open bidding process for the remainder of the year?


Dear Members; Please be advised that Absolute Touch is now the Official and Venue Exclusive Tanning, Hair & makeup service provider for ALL remaining 2012 OPA fall shows for both Men & Women. Pamela Bortmes and her team are extremely excited to represent the OPA and service all our athletes. Former official services provider, Pro Quality, has unfortunately been dissolved, sorry any confusion this has caused. Please Email Pam at the absolutetouch@gmail.com to book your services for any 2012 Fall Show! Contact info is also on the OPA website.

[natenator]

ATTENTION: Bids are now officially open for the position of Official Tanning, and/or Hair & Makeup companies up for the following 2013-14 OPA events. Any company and/or person’s wishing to submit a bid may do so as soon as possible to OPA President, Ron Hache at ronhache@unitz.ca with the subject line: Tanning Bid. This will be for a two-year term that includes the following events:

1. The GNC Toronto Championships Open
2. The GNC Stratford Open
3. The GNC Cobourg Natural
4. The GNC Sudbury Open
5. The GNC Obrien Luchka Open
6. The GNC Stephanie Worsfold Natural
7. The GNC Ottawa Natural
8. The GNC Henderson Natural
9. The GNC Timmins Natural
10. The GNC Ontario Natural
11. The GNC Fouad Abiad Open
12. The GNC KW Oktoberfest Natural
13. The GNC Winston Invitational Open
14. The GNC Ottawa Championships Open
15. The GNC London Open


Finally these fools live up to their pseudo (read: fake) rules that no one could point out from the by-laws.

[SuperQT]

ATTENTION: Bids are now officially open for the position of Official Tanning, and/or Hair & Makeup companies up for the following 2013-14 OPA events. Any company and/or person’s wishing to submit a bid may do so as soon as possible to OPA President, Ron Hache at ronhache@unitz.ca with the subject line: Tanning Bid. This will be for a two-year term that includes the following events:

1. The GNC Toronto Championships Open
2. The GNC Stratford Open
3. The GNC Cobourg Natural
4. The GNC Sudbury Open
5. The GNC Obrien Luchka Open
6. The GNC Stephanie Worsfold Natural
7. The GNC Ottawa Natural
8. The GNC Henderson Natural
9. The GNC Timmins Natural
10. The GNC Ontario Natural
11. The GNC Fouad Abiad Open
12. The GNC KW Oktoberfest Natural
13. The GNC Winston Invitational Open
14. The GNC Ottawa Championships Open
15. The GNC London Open


Finally these fools live up to their pseudo (read: fake) rules that no one could point out from the by-laws.

The size of the shows specifically bikini division which has higher needs hair and makeup there should be more than one company IMHO.

Also what exactly are they looking for in the bid? Anyone that's ever looked at a real RFP knows there is a pretty specific process as to what the expectations are.

LOL silly me I looked at the OPA site for this kind of news should have known it was on facebook...