went back on sauce almost 5 weeks ago and feel nothing

[19inchCannons]

I am 32 days into a T400 (cup,enan, decanoate) and test prop cycle. Used dbol to kickstart. Reputable Canadian ugl's - using two different brands, so one or the other should at least be good. Never got the bump in sex drive and don't really feel "on" yet. In fact drive is down and so is wood. I was off for 4 months entirely. I don't remember - does it take this long to kick in? I have been taking Aromasin 25mg eod for 2 weeks on the suggestion of another board member. I think things actually got worse since then. What can I do? What should I ask for at the walk in if I want bloods. Really confused. Still kicking in?? I am guessing I'm shut down as **** from my old cycles as I never recovered I'm 24y.o. so maybe it just hasn't built up.

[JonnyO]

Do you need aromasin?

I'd say u have low quality gear as you should be rocking by now, whether u were shut down before or not.

[vanskelig]

I'd say the dbol would of had to have been real but I guess anything is possible. 2 differnet labs, 2 different products and both are bunk? odds of that would be low.

[19inchCannons]

I'd say the dbol would of had to have been real but I guess anything is possible. 2 differnet labs, 2 different products and both are bunk? odds of that would be low.

when I was taking DBOL i was getting good erections. Now they have diminished altogether. Don't know if I need aromasin, have no acne or oily skin, and noticed dry lips last few days. Could i be suffering from low e2? I have decreased dick sensitivity too...

[vanskelig]

Just sounds like your estrogen went up to match the dbol. That's normal. I get that on high levels of test also, busting a nut becomes a challenge. I'd try proviron, it always throws my sex drive back into ****tarded status. I don't know what low e2 is.

[Praetorian]

If you are five weeks in and not even getting wood your gear is garbage. It doesnt make any difference whether or not you were shutdown before you started as you are injecting exogenous test...natural test at this point is irrelevant...feeling the test is dependent on half life. The aromasin killed what was left of your sex drive because it drove estrogen levels even lower....you need estrogen to have a sex drive. You never start an anti aromatase unless you are seeing estrogen related side effects...one it will kill your gains and two if you dont need it its a waste of money and pushes estro too low.

If the gear was real you would have felt the prop within a week....the long ester test would be felt at the 4-5 week mark even sooner...at 5 weeks you would feel significant strength gains and weight gains as well.

P

[19inchCannons]

sooo...drop the aromasin is what I need to do? Or is there something I can take to increase E2? I have nose bleeds all the time, dry mouth/lips, just really lethargic feeling overall, can get erection but no drive at all so it won't stay up. I think I drove my e2 into the ground.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I don't know what low e2 is.

E2 = Estradiol is the most common form of estrogen.
Testosterone is converted by aromatization to estradiol. Add an anti aromatese and you get a lot less test aromatizing into estradiol. Good to avoid gyno but can cause other side effects.

[ironwill]

Just sounds like your estrogen went up to match the dbol. That's normal. I get that on high levels of test also, busting a nut becomes a challenge. I'd try proviron, it always throws my sex drive back into ****tarded status. I don't know what low e2 is.
No, He is already taking an anti e....probably to low.....25 mg of aromasin is a lot...

[ironwill]

If you are five weeks in and not even getting wood your gear is garbage. It doesnt make any difference whether or not you were shutdown before you started as you are injecting exogenous test...natural test at this point is irrelevant...feeling the test is dependent on half life. The aromasin killed what was left of your sex drive because it drove estrogen levels even lower....you need estrogen to have a sex drive. You never start an anti aromatase unless you are seeing estrogen related side effects...one it will kill your gains and two if you dont need it its a waste of money and pushes estro too low.

If the gear was real you would have felt the prop within a week....the long ester test would be felt at the 4-5 week mark even sooner...at 5 weeks you would feel significant strength gains and weight gains as well.

P
Very good words.....

[bountyhunter]

Did you do a full post cycle treatment with hcg after you stopped aas 5 months ago? Maybe your testes didn't recover to natural LH production?

[19inchCannons]

Thanks for all the replies. Yes I did two full PCT's with HCG 1000iu ed for 10 days and then again at 1000iu ed for ten days the second time around.. Also used aromasin, clomid, and nolvadex for both pct's. i took a lot of junk lol. Im not surprised I killed my estro.

[19inchCannons]

wow. Didn't take my AI today and took 60mg dbol and we're back in the game. Can the body really shift this fast?

[vanskelig]

I'd say placebo effect.

[ironwill]

wow. Didn't take my AI today and took 60mg dbol and we're back in the game. Can the body really shift this fast?
It really doesnt take long once you drop the AI......AI is the most overused stuff out there imo right now.....Everyone thinks they are a guru, and throw advice around from shit they read on the boards, and every cycle has..."throw in aromasin at 25 mg ed", without truly understanding what is going on...See it on a daily basis....
To bad really.....

[ironwill]

Did you do a full post cycle treatment with hcg after you stopped aas 5 months ago? Maybe your testes didn't recover to natural LH production?
Once you are taking exogenous test, that point is moot .........Lh, and fsh are pretty much non-existent on cycle.....You are shut down.....So you could be a eunich, and take test and become a man....

[Hosehead]

I'm not trying to flame anyone or question any of the advice given here cuz I'm the farthest thing from a guru BUT does no one use a taper anymore ? I made a mistake with my first ever cycle a million years ago and got gyno but generally I find the taper to be effective in stopping a crash. The only time I ever used Clomid I was a bloody mess of emotions and didn't find it to be any more effective in keeping gains and smoothing the transition from one cycle to another. Taper and bridge with 125-250mg of test once a week works for me. All the young guys I see at my gym are always bitching about losing size and strength , hard ons etc etc between cycles. They never taper. But what the **** do I know. Anyhow, just my two cents. Glad to hear your gear is good to go afterall.

[ironwill]

I'm not trying to flame anyone or question any of the advice given here cuz I'm the farthest thing from a guru BUT does no one use a taper anymore ? I made a mistake with my first ever cycle a million years ago and got gyno but generally I find the taper to be effective in stopping a crash. The only time I ever used Clomid I was a bloody mess of emotions and didn't find it to be any more effective in keeping gains and smoothing the transition from one cycle to another. Taper and bridge with 125-250mg of test once a week works for me. All the young guys I see at my gym are always bitching about losing size and strength , hard ons etc etc between cycles. They never taper. But what the **** do I know. Anyhow, just my two cents. Glad to hear your gear is good to go afterall.
I taper, each and every time, with great success.....BUT, i go right off after taper and pct into offcycle, till i do bloodwork and all is well....
Works very well so far, and feel great on pct.....Very little crash....

[bountyhunter]

Once you are taking exogenous test, that point is moot .........Lh, and fsh are pretty much non-existent on cycle.....You are shut down.....So you could be a eunich, and take test and become a man....

Lol! Eunich! Lol

[Hosehead]

I taper, each and every time, with great success.....BUT, i go right off after taper and pct into offcycle, till i do bloodwork and all is well....
Works very well so far, and feel great on pct.....Very little crash....

Ahh , you are an old **** as well lol. The taper seems old school now. I should probably do it your way at some point. I basically haven't gone off for two years. After my taper I use 250 test e every week for 6 weeks then 125 test e for 6-12 weeks and cycle again. I never seem to lose strength or size so it either works for me or I am not getting the most from my cycles. No one ever knows when I'm off or on anymore. I may try your method this time. I recall your cycles being even smaller than mine.

[ironwill]

Ahh , you are an old **** as well lol. The taper seems old school now. I should probably do it your way at some point. I basically haven't gone off for two years. After my taper I use 250 test e every week for 6 weeks then 125 test e for 6-12 weeks and cycle again. I never seem to lose strength or size so it either works for me or I am not getting the most from my cycles. No one ever knows when I'm off or on anymore. I may try your method this time. I recall your cycles being even smaller than mine.

LOL, yes i am an over 40 dude!!!I like tapering....Prisoner #22 has some good writings on taper as well...
Im a fairly conservative dose guy that is true....I try and go up, and it just doesnt feel good to me....Walking around at 240-245 after off cycle nowadays and pretty good shape, and 260 plus on cycle and lean so it seems to work for me....Others require more , yet others just take more because they feel the need to with all the writings on the net these days,Then wayyyy overdo the anti es etc....It is really buggering some guys up, im an anomally now....My old bones are ok with that!!!:p

[Hosehead]

LOL, yes i am an over 40 dude!!!I like tapering....Prisoner #22 has some good writings on taper as well...
Im a fairly conservative dose guy that is true....I try and go up, and it just doesnt feel good to me....Walking around at 240-245 after off cycle nowadays and pretty good shape, and 260 plus on cycle and lean so it seems to work for me....Others require more , yet others just take more because they feel the need to with all the writings on the net these days,Then wayyyy overdo the anti es etc....It is really buggering some guys up, im an anomally now....My old bones are ok with that!!!:p

Yeah, I just tried to go up to 1000mg of sustanon with 750mg EQ and I'm not liking it any more than using half of that. My gear is good to go too. Most reputable lab out there. I'm gonna cut it all back and run it any extra two weeks with a slow taper instead. I don't have anything other than anecdotal evidence but I think muscle maturity and muscle memory of a guy 40 + is superior. I can take half of what most 25 year olds take and look the same. They never believe me when I tell them what dosages I use. But my body is starting to hit the age where a week off is no longer an option, it's a necessity. That I would trade with any 25 year old.

[Praetorian]

LOL, yes i am an over 40 dude!!!I like tapering....Prisoner #22 has some good writings on taper as well...
Im a fairly conservative dose guy that is true....I try and go up, and it just doesnt feel good to me....Walking around at 240-245 after off cycle nowadays and pretty good shape, and 260 plus on cycle and lean so it seems to work for me....Others require more , yet others just take more because they feel the need to with all the writings on the net these days,Then wayyyy overdo the anti es etc....It is really buggering some guys up, im an anomally now....My old bones are ok with that!!!:p

Too true...more is not always better...first thing George Farah does when he works with a client is usually cut his dosage in half.
P

[19inchCannons]

Got bloodwork back

Testosterone 110.0 (7.6-31.4nmol/L)
Prolactin 15. (<18ug/L)
Progesterone 6.5 (0.7-4.3 nmol/L)
Estradiol - 665. (<157 pmol/L)

What do I do? I have aromasin, start taking that?