Hgh

[oharad]

Hey guys

what is the best most consistant GH out there right now?

pharm or UG

also what dosing schedual would u recommend for a nebie to GH?

i was thinking

wk 1$2 2IU daily
wk 3&4 3 IUS daily
wk 4&5 4 IU daily
wk 6 - 36 5 IU daily

should i stop at around 3IUS and just see it out to 6 months?

also what is proper protocol when coming off after 6 months o f use?

Thanks in advance for the info guys

-D

[shithead]

You could even start at 1 iu and slowly bump up. If you bump up too fast you will get sides.

HCG gh is good. Humatrope is good and so id Nutropin.

[oharad]

thanks

any other opinions?

feel free to PM

[tripleA]

It depends what you are using it for. Health or bodybuilding purposes. I'm in my 30's and using 2iu's M-F for anti-aging.
Pharm is better but the price is out of reach for most of us here. Most peeps here use the chinese stuff. Don't think there is any protocol for HGH when you stop. When you're done, you're done.

[shottabiggs]

At what dose would you use for mainly fat loss?

ty

[oharad]

I am looking for fat loss and hypertrophy

[gustavo77]

At what dose would you use for mainly fat loss?

ty

2-4iu/day sub-Q will suffice for fat loss, anti-aging.

[oharad]

Gus any recommendations on what teh best GH out there is?

[shithead]

For mass; the more the better. Anything under 4iu/day and you're not gonna see too much mass gain unless test and insulin are used.

[oharad]

i am plannign on running it with test and possibly tren

[oharad]

still ironing out the rest of the cycle.... and injection routines

[gustavo77]

Gus any recommendations on what teh best GH out there is?

Any human grade GH such as Serotism, Serono, Saizen etc, etc is the best but Pharm grade GH is EXTREMELY costly. If i were to use Chinese GH, i would stick with branded Kefei blue tops or Hygetropin. Unless you know and trust your guy, you never know what is in those unlabeled blue/yellow/whatever tops.

[gustavo77]

still ironing out the rest of the cycle.... and injection routines

What have your past cycles consisted of?? What dosages, length of time on??

[Mr Ontario]

Dido on both posts that Shithead said.

[Mr Ontario]

30's? I thought you were still in diapers :)



It depends what you are using it for. Health or bodybuilding purposes. I'm in my 30's and using 2iu's M-F for anti-aging.
Pharm is better but the price is out of reach for most of us here. Most peeps here use the chinese stuff. Don't think there is any protocol for HGH when you stop. When you're done, you're done.

[oharad]

past cycles are:

cycle 1 500mg sust adn 200mg deca for 8wks total

cycle 2 50mg orals winni daily 6wks total

cycle 3 750mg enth (ICN) 40mg dbol daily (napoism) wk 1-5 400mg deca (norma) 12 wks total
this cycle worked awsome ...but lots of water

cycle 4 500mg sust 60mg oral winni wk-1-5 8wks total

cycle 5 750mg enth 450mg tren enth 600mg EQ 50mg anadrol (wk 1-5) 16 wks total

I find cycle 3 worked best.... cycle 5 was amazing strength gains on A50s maintained well .... just #5 is har don liver so....

seem to maintain size and strength gains best off longer cycles like the 16 wker

[oharad]

i shoudl also mention the winni total ****s my elbows and shoulders and knees

EQ wasnt that good at lubricating.... deca worked much better fo rme

also got mild anxiety on EQ

[oharad]

I should also mention I am doing this next cycle to get ready for a trip to punta cana on Nov 23 adn I cannot bring or use anythign while I am there

[Nicknroll]

i just did 4 month of nutropin hgh right from the pharma....and to be honnest i did not see any difference then when i use blue top.....for me blue top is the same and at almost half the cost!!!!

[St]

Ya i just finish Kefei Blue tops,were amazing,at 2-3 iu's a day.I also start the gh at 1 iu for a few week then bumped it up to 2 iu,for a few more week then went at 3 iu's but my hands,and wrist were getting sharp pains.Next time i do Kefei i will never go higher than 2 iu's m-f.

[shithead]

When I get up in the morning my feet hurt like hell.

[shithead]

i just did 4 month of nutropin hgh right from the pharma....and to be honnest i did not see any difference then when i use blue top.....for me blue top is the same and at almost half the cost!!!!

Thanks for that tidbit, my buddy wants to get Nutropin and I told him it was a waste of money.

Was yours the AQ version?

[Mr Ontario]

Stop wearing your hard toe boots to bed then ;)


When I get up in the morning my feet hurt like hell.

[shithead]

How do you know I wear "hard toe boots"?

[Mr Ontario]

Your girlfriend told...she says you say it makes you feel bigger. :)



How do you know I wear "hard toe boots"?

[Mr.Freeze]

lol

[gustavo77]

K, Oharad as per your pm, this is hypothetical suggestion of what you could do for your next one:

1-16 Test E 1000mg/wk
1-15 EQ 600mg/wk
1-12 Tren E 400mg/wk
1-4 D-bol or Anadrol 40mg/50mg/day repectively
13-18 T-bol or Winny 60mg/50mg/day respectively (it's nice to have an oral in there while the test is clearing...)
1-(4 days before you start pct) HCG 500iu 2x per week (ie, mon, thurs)
1-(PCT) Adex 0.5mg/day or Aromasin 25mg/day

PCT starts appox 14 days after last shot of test E, so roughly week 19. PCT should consist of:

Day 1-21: 100mg of Clomid
Day 1-35: 25mg of Aromasin

This cycle is pretty advanced but it seems you have some considerable cycle experience yourself, so you should be able to handle it. :) Whatever you choose to do, good luck with it.

[Mr Ontario]

I feel big just looking at that cycle lol Where's the slin Gusta?


K, Oharad as per your pm, this is hypothetical suggestion of what you could do for your next one:

1-16 Test E 1000mg/wk
1-15 EQ 600mg/wk
1-12 Tren E 400mg/wk
1-4 D-bol or Anadrol 40mg/50mg/day repectively
13-18 T-bol or Winny 60mg/50mg/day respectively (it's nice to have an oral in there while the test is clearing...)
1-(4 days before you start pct) HCG 500iu 2x per week (ie, mon, thurs)
1-(PCT) Adex 0.5mg/day or Aromasin 25mg/day

PCT starts appox 14 days after last shot of test E, so roughly week 19. PCT should consist of:

Day 1-21: 100mg of Clomid
Day 1-35: 25mg of Aromasin

This cycle is pretty advanced but it seems you have some considerable cycle experience yourself, so you should be able to handle it. :) Whatever you choose to do, good luck with it.

[shithead]

That sounds like a cycle I would've taken in former years.

[Mr Ontario]

Ya....not even for me...thats way to much gear. More isn't always better.


That sounds like a cycle I would've taken in former years.

[shithead]

Ya....not even for me...thats way to much gear. More isn't always better.

Yeah, its way too much for me too.

[Mr Ontario]

Blahhhh


Yeah, its way too much for me too.

[L3]

K, Oharad as per your pm, this is hypothetical suggestion of what you could do for your next one:

1-16 Test E 1000mg/wk
1-15 EQ 600mg/wk
1-12 Tren E 400mg/wk
1-4 D-bol or Anadrol 40mg/50mg/day repectively
13-18 T-bol or Winny 60mg/50mg/day respectively (it's nice to have an oral in there while the test is clearing...)
1-(4 days before you start pct) HCG 500iu 2x per week (ie, mon, thurs)
1-(PCT) Adex 0.5mg/day or Aromasin 25mg/day

PCT starts appox 14 days after last shot of test E, so roughly week 19. PCT should consist of:

Day 1-21: 100mg of Clomid
Day 1-35: 25mg of Aromasin

This cycle is pretty advanced but it seems you have some considerable cycle experience yourself, so you should be able to handle it. :) Whatever you choose to do, good luck with it.


now we know how the hulk REALLY came about

[gustavo77]

Ya....not even for me...thats way to much gear. More isn't always better.

Too much for you mabe...lightweight..lol. Kidding. But seriously the guy pm'd me asking for a cycle to take him to the next level and after reviewing his past cycles, i do not see this as much of jump. Shit the guy already ran 450mg of tren E and 750mg test E per week...i am just bumping the test a little, adding in the Eq and a little oral kick start and finish.

[gustavo77]

I feel big just looking at that cycle lol Where's the slin Gusta?

Slin is something i'd rather not recommend to someone out of blue unless i know them well. You cannot die from tren or Eq but you can certain **** yourself up permanent with slin...obviously you know this bro but for others that say, you threw everything else in there, why not slin. Well slin can kill a brotha...600mg of eq cannot. And the cycle i lined up for the guy is not overkill...all of those drugs will work synergistically and provide their own benefit in developing the finished product..a monster..haha.

That said, IMO Test, GH and slin is all that is really needed to take someone experienced to another level entirely. These three drugs will probably be the extent of my anabolic use in the future. Tren, Eq, d-bol, winny...the sides effects of these drugs in one way or another always seem to overshadow the drug's benefits.

[shithead]

Slin is something i'd rather not recommend to someone out of blue unless i know them well. You cannot die from tren or Eq but you can certain **** yourself up permanent with slin...obviously you know this bro but for others that say, you threw everything else in there, why not slin. Well slin can kill a brotha...600mg of eq cannot. And the cycle i lined up for the guy is not overkill...all of those drugs will work synergistically and provide their own benefit in developing the finished product..a monster..haha.

That said, IMO Test, GH and slin is all that is really needed to take someone experienced to another level entirely. These three drugs will probably be the extent of my anabolic use in the future. Tren, Eq, d-bol, winny...the sides effects of these drugs in one way or another always seem to overshadow the drug's benefits.

Thats a smart statement.

[Mr Ontario]

Ya...no worries I wasn't knocking your cycle. Just because you set it out...doesn't mean they have to take it. To each there own.


Too much for you mabe...lightweight..lol. Kidding. But seriously the guy pm'd me asking for a cycle to take him to the next level and after reviewing his past cycles, i do not see this as much of jump. Shit the guy already ran 450mg of tren E and 750mg test E per week...i am just bumping the test a little, adding in the Eq and a little oral kick start and finish.

[gustavo77]

Ya...no worries I wasn't knocking your cycle. Just because you set it out...doesn't mean they have to take it. To each there own.

I know you were not bro, just bustin' balls...

[oharad]

anyone have experiance with

somatropin 10000IU kits?

i was not aware kits came this large

[tripleA]

anyone have experiance with

somatropin 10000IU kits?

i was not aware kits came this large

Yes I think they come in a one liter vial. Problem is you have to use it all within 3 weeks or it will go bad.

[oharad]

WTF....... how is anyone gonna use 10 000 units in 21 days? THATS INSANE

thats close to 500 units a day

that 5 generic kits a day

[tripleA]

Bro, it's a joke.

[oharad]

well in all seriousness....

neone got experience with this stuff?

[pseclint]

WTF....... how is anyone gonna use 10 000 units in 21 days? THATS INSANE

thats close to 500 units a day

that 5 generic kits a day

that is pretty funny.......... no havent heard of these yet....... interesting though

[mcgee]

give me some :)

[Xplode]

Yes I think they come in a one liter vial. Problem is you have to use it all within 3 weeks or it will go bad.

:laugh

[oharad]

hey Gustavo

what is the best way to run that cycle injection wise.... I only have 4 options to inject into.

2 delts
2 glutes

Quads are too tight.... RMT said we will be lucky to use that as an option by '09.

to nervous to shoot biceps or other small muscle groups.

Calves.... NEVER AGAIN

[gustavo77]

hey Gustavo

what is the best way to run that cycle injection wise.... I only have 4 options to inject into.

2 delts
2 glutes

Quads are too tight.... RMT said we will be lucky to use that as an option by '09.

to nervous to shoot biceps or other small muscle groups.

Calves.... NEVER AGAIN

Easy...2cc of test + 1cc of tren E, (3cc) 2x per week in glutes, ie mon,thurs. 1cc of EQ, 2x per week in the delt, ie mon thurs (this of course is considering your EQ is 300mg/ml, if not then adjust the amount for dosage).

[oharad]

I was getting painfull lumps in my glutes with 2 cc of oil after about 7 or 8 weeks. so 3 cc in each glute for 16 wks is a no go.

I do find the gear suspended in EO seems to disolve faster for me .... anyone know of a TNT product that comes in EO?