under dosed gear

[rated_rko]

hey guys....i ran supposedly 625mg test/450mg deca for 12 weeks and was only able to gain 8lbs and i was spot on with training.....so im pretty sure my gear was underdosed....im thinking of switching to a new company would this be the best idea?

[Praetorian]

Doesn't sound very good but I would like to see your training and diet used during that time.
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[tex]

i used 1000/wk test and over 400/wk deca and i only put on 12 lbs.....but i put near 100lbs on my squat and 125 on my deadlift .....i wasnt trying to gain size tho.....noticeably sexier

[rated_rko]

trainings been spot on....5 days a week split....food intake was around 4500 cals...high protein...only thing i did different was watch my carb intake...didnt over do it like i use to....so yeah...

[Praetorian]

Please post training and diet...i cant help without seeing whats happening...
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[rated_rko]

1. 4 whole eggs and 8 whites... oats 1/2 cup
2. 50g protein shake + 30 almonds
3. 50g chicken breast + 30g brown rice + veggies
4. 50g protein shake + 3 tbls Pbutter + 1/3 cup oats
5. 40g extra lean ground beef + veggies + 1/4 cup almonds + ww pasta
6. tuna can + honesy mustard + salad
7. PB sandwich on wheat bread
8. greek yogurt 1/3 and 25g protein shake

[rated_rko]

training splits been back/bi, chest/tri, legs, shoulders/trap....heavy arms +core

[moh2010]

I gained 25pounds on my first cycle. 500mg of mexican test, once a week, with tons of refined carbs. I end up gaining 8-10pounds of muscles, a few pounds of fat and loss all water retention. It's normal to gain less weight when you watch your carbs intake. It seem like you eat less than 150g of carbs. Focus on gaining strength, not weight IMO. Did your libido increased? Some peoples dont see much difference because of deca...

[steve_d]

1. 4 whole eggs and 8 whites... oats 1/2 cup
2. 50g protein shake + 30 almonds
3. 50g chicken breast + 30g brown rice + veggies
4. 50g protein shake + 3 tbls Pbutter + 1/3 cup oats
5. 40g extra lean ground beef + veggies + 1/4 cup almonds + ww pasta
6. tuna can + honesy mustard + salad
7. PB sandwich on wheat bread
8. greek yogurt 1/3 and 25g protein shake

unless i am missing something about the way this is written, there is nowhere near 4500 calories. More like 3000 or so...

Did you get stronger? 8 pounds is 8 pounds, perhaps you look a little leaner as well?

[rated_rko]

strength went up but not too much

[vanskelig]

I don't really see how underdosed gear, 200-250mg or so off a week, is gonna make or break your cycle and your gains.

[Praetorian]

1. 4 whole eggs and 8 whites... oats 1/2 cup (516 calories)
2. 50g protein shake + 30 almonds (370 calories)
3. 50g chicken breast + 30g brown rice + veggies (320cals +veggies..maybe 50calories=370 calories)
4. 50g protein shake + 3 tbls Pbutter + 1/3 cup oats (470 calories)
5. 40g extra lean ground beef + veggies + 1/4 cup almonds + ww pasta (not sure if this is a misprint...40g = 1.4oz=approx 9g protein 40+150+pasta?guess 30g carbs or 120cal=310cal)
6. tuna can + honesy mustard + salad (200calories)
7. PB sandwich on wheat bread (300calories)
8. greek yogurt 1/3 and 25g protein shake (230cal)


Approx 2800 cal give or take....a far cry from 4500 this is where estimation becomes a problem...the other issue is meals are not balance..some have 30g protein some 50g some 10g.
I would suggest 6 meals plus one post workout shake. Meals should consist of 50g protein+30g fat + 30g carbs the PWO shake contains 60g pro+ 50g carbs...this work sout to about 4200cal total.

The next question is training....if you haven't gained much strength I would suspect some change is necessary.

Overall yes the gear may be under dosed or even bogus...but there are some serious issues that need fixing as well.
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[rated_rko]

ive gained some strength hasnt been anything as usual...im thinking of changing it back to one muscle a day i did for a long time and worked well for me....so i consider doing it more...thanks for the feedback much appreciated.....

Overall yes the gear may be under dosed or even bogus...but there are some serious issues that need fixing as well.

[Praetorian]

I have found to gain size one muscle group per training session is optimal...

example:

Chest + calves
Back + abs
off
Delts + Traps
Bis and Tris + Abs
Quads and hams + calves
off

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[Prisoner#22]

12 lbs is a lot if it is lean gains.

[Praetorian]

Definitely 12lbs is a huge gain if its lean...but somehow i don't think it is.
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[rated_rko]

nope not all lean....got soft in the midsection *thumbs down*

[moh2010]

nope not all lean....got soft in the midsection *thumbs down*

You are using deca+test. It's normal that you have water retention. Its even a good thing! Great for supporting your joints. Increase calories and you'll gain strength/muscles.

Same thing happened to one of my friends. We used same cycle and batch of sustanon and deca. 250mg of sust and 200mg of deca EOD. I gained lot of strength and ate 4k+ of good calories. Great cycle!

He was "clean bulking". 100g of carbs or less. 50g pre, 50g post. 50g only during breakfast on off days. I mean common. It's tough to gain fat when you are training very hard, 4-5 times a week and on 1g+ of aas. He said the sustanon and deca was bunk...

It's all food. Increase your calories! If you want to reduce inflammation, cut the wheat and eat more sweat potatoes/rice/fat!

[nisser]

Everyone is different and I wouldn't say it's hard to gain fat in the situation you mentioned. Depends on what the 8lbs is and at what stage you are at. But if you've been cycling/training for years and 50% of that is lean muscle, I wouldn't say you did too bad...