2011 CBBF Canadian National Bodybuilding Championships Results

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Date: October 9, 2011
Location: Laval, Quebec

Women Bodybuilding Overall - Fabiola Boulanger (Pro Card)
Lisa Giesbrecht (Pro Card)
Men Bodybuilding Overall - Mike Johnson (Pro Card)
Renaldo Gairy (Pro Card)
Martin Allard (Pro Card)

Mens Junior
1 - Iain Valliere
2 - Francoise Phillippe Lefebvre
3 - Robin Strand
4 - Brendan Demers
5 - Eric Fortier
6 - Isaac Baier
7 - Elliott Carr
8 - Brandon Tufts
9 - Tommy Brousseau
10 - Benjamin Babo
11 - Maxime Boudreault
12 - Jesse Yakimchuk
13 - Michael Wilson
14 - Jordan Dustan

Mens Masters Light
1 - Steve Marsh MB
2 - Abdul Sagar ON
3 - Compton Austin ON
4 - William Celis ON
5 - Yves Montmarquette PQ
6 - Steve Charbonneau ON
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Luciano Rao ON
9 - Doug Heron ON
10 - Paul Brooker ON withdrew

Mens Masters Middle
1 - Louis Chartier PQ
2 - Jean Pascal Labelle PQ
3 - Andre Longchamp PQ
4 - Bernie Mockler ON
5 - Guy Deschamps PQ
6 - Will Jones AB
7 - Richard Lalonde PQ withdrew

Mens Masters Heavy
1 - Martin Allard PQ
2 - Tyrone Ashmeade BC
3 - Andrew Dudka NS
4 - Adam Headland ON
5 - Abraham Eustace ON
6 - Steve Potvin PQ
7 - Rob Friss AB
8 - Ted Trush ON
9 - Charles Straceny BC
10 - Simon Lafontaine PQ
11 - Jonathon Heron ON
12 - Daniel Blouin PQ
13 - Ervin Molnar ON withdrew

Mens Grandmasters 50+
1 - Serge Poliquin PQ
2 - Frank Grieco ON
3 - Daniel St-Arnault PQ
4 - Emmett Kyler AB
5 - Guy Thibodeau PQ
6 - Shevon Nelson ON
7 - Tom Weaver ON
8 - Gilles Bellehumeur PQ
9 - Brian Steiss ON
10 - Michel Cochelin PQ
11 - Philippe Maisonneuve PQ
12 - Omar Douceur PQ

Mens Bantamweight
1 - Shawn Gambin NL
2 - Daniel St-Arnault PQ
3 - Robert Murphy NS
4 - Tun Tun Thant SK
5 - Aries Flores ON
6 - Chris Doan ON
7 - Mathieu Lussier PQ withdrew

Mens Lightweight
1 - Scott Kivisto ON
2 - Steve Charbonneau ON
3 - Richard McIntyre PQ
4 - Nyrton Pierre-Antoine ON
5 - Antonio Larosa ON
6 - Darrell McDonald MB
7 - Paul Brooker ON withdrew
8 - Vishnu Persad ON withdrew

Mens Welterweight
1 - Abdul Sagar ON
2 - Joshua Atsriku ON
3 - William Celis ON
4 - Steve Marsh MB
5 - Chris Johnson NS
6 - Jamie Peterson NB
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Mark Loo BC
9 - Chris Gurunlian PQ
10 - Guy Thibodeau PQ
11 - Luciano Rao ON withdrew

Mens Middleweight
1 - Shawn Haines PQ
2 - Miguel Coulombe PQ
3 - Branden McCraney ON
4 - John Chung SK
5 - Serge Poliquin PQ
6 - Michael Ferrer ON
7 - Dimitrios Klonarakis BC
8 - Ryan Letwin ON
9 - Emmett Kyler AB
10 - Tommy Brousseau PQ

Mens Light Heavyweight
1 - Martin Allard PQ
2 - Tony Searle ON
3 - Khaled Chikhaoui PQ
4 - Kirk Oberg SK
5 - Frantz Prevaly PQ
6 - Jean Pascale Labelle PQ
7 - Louis Chartier PQ
8 - Mich Roussin ON
9 - Bernard Junior Rock PQ
10 - Steven Olema ON
11 - Simon Lafontaine PQ
12 - Justin Kelly PQ
13 - Joseph Conte ON
14 - Steven Coté PQ
15 - Benjamin Babo SK
16 - Mark St. Arnaud BC
17 - Shannon Anstey ON withdrew
18 - Sylvain Antinozzi PQ withdrew
19 - Marc Andre Tremblay PQ withdrew
20 - Joe Kuroaka AB withdrew
21 - Shane Roberts ON withdrew
22 - Max Rositsan ON withdrew

Mens Heavyweight
1 - Renaldo Gairy ON
2 - Alexandre Raymond PQ
3 - Zane Watson ON
4 - Tyron Ashmeade BC
5 - Mike Lynds NS
6 - Alex Audi ON
7 - Leo Di Fruscia PQ
8 - Jordan Janvier AB
9 - Sammy Nagib PQ
10 - Jean Nicolas Audet PQ
11 - Chad Kerr SK
12 - Marko Zaborac ON
13 - Hassan Jama ON
14 - James Donato NS
15 - Adam Headland ON
16 - Raminder Gill BC
17 - Henri Mensah ON
18 - Charles Straceny BC
19 - Jerome Cellier PQ
20 - Tim Love ON withdrew
21 - Maxime Duchemin PQ withdrew
22 - Victor Lacobelli ON withdrew
23 - Alex Fontaine PQ withdrew

Mens Super Heavyweight
1 - Mike Johnson NS
2 - Jerome Bravo ON
3 - Antoine Vaillant PQ
4 - Ryan Malo PQ
5 - Loutfi Ajaoun PQ
6 - Mathieu Langlois PQ
7 - Kip Brown ON
8 - Jean-Francois Bouchard PQ withdrew
9 - Abraham Eustace ON withdrew
10 - Frederic Parent PQ withdrew
11 - Ervin Molnar ON withdrew
12 - Daniel Blouin PQ withdrew

Mens Classic Short
1 - Michael Ferrer ON
2 - Joe Marcoux MB
3 - Chris Gurunlin PQ
4 - Jerry Poirier ON
5 - James Sheldon MB
6 - Tun Tun Thant SK
7 - James Elliot ON
8 - Luciano Rao ON
9 - Paul Taylor MB
10 - Paul Brooker ON

Mens Classic Tall
1 - Alex Whamond NB
2 - John Wintrup Whamond MB

Womens Junior
1 - Bianca Liberatore

Womens Grandmasters
1 - Nancy Clark BC
2 - Sharon Mould ON
3 - Dawn Alison BC
4- Carol Hanley ON
5 - Mary Lynne Mackenzie ON
6 - Ellen Partnoy AB
7 - Debbie Rotoff MB
8 - Danea Rowley PQ
9- Laura Davies ON
10 - Barbara Travis AB
11 - Lorilee Sweeney BC
12- Sylvia Bergen AB

Womens Masters Light
1 - Maria Mikola ON
2 - Ivette Landry MB
3 - Diane Fraser AB

Womens Masters Heavy
1 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
2 - Joanne Williams ON
3 - Tananavire McGowan ON
4 - Nancy Richard PQ
5 - Heather Manuel NL
6 - Debbie Fury NS
7 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

Womens Lightweight
1 - Barbara Stannard AB
2 - Ivette Landry MB
3 - Sylvia Bergen PQ

Womens Middleweight
1 - Carmen Tocheniuk AB
2 - Carol Hanley ON
3 - Dolly Skailes BC
4 - Maria Mikola ON
5 - Ellen Partnoy AB
6 - Danea Rowley PQ
7 - Diane Fraser AB withdrew

Womens Light Heavyweight
1 - Nancy Richard PQ
2 - Debbie Fury NS
3 - Debbie Rotoff MB
4 - Laura Davies ON

Womens Heavyweight
1 - Fabiola Boulanger PQ
2 - Tara Silzer AB
3 - Joanne Williams ON
4 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
5 - Nancy Clark BC
6 - Sharon Mould ON
7 - Dawn Alison BC
8 - Tananavire McGowan ON
9 - Heather Manuel NL
10 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

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[MuSuLPhReAk]

Unofficial results have been posted. These will contian errors in name spelling. Thread will be updated when official results are posted.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

If you wish to discuss or read about the event, please refer to this thread
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?21588-2011-CBBF-Bodybuilding-Nationals-OFFICIAL-THREAD

[Dryvrgrl]

Womens lw masters backwqrds.. Womens middle backwarDs. Womens LH 3rd debbie rotoff

[natenator]

how did ted do?

[SuperQT]

Is the the first year for woma's LHW?

[Praetorian]

how did ted do?

I thought I took 6th in the masters heavy class (CBBF site shows 8th which I cant understand) I was second call out in the middle...they juggled a few people around me but they kept me front and center...which to me is 6th because the first call out was top five...cant wait to post pics. I really thought I did better as i already had beaten guys they placed ahead of me twice this year and i was much better in Montreal. Suffice to say i weighed in 227lbs and was in the best shape of my life so i am happy about that...prep went beautifully..carb up was perfect and i was very dry come Sunday morning...nothing more i could have really done except for my height i need about 10-15lbs more muscle to win.
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[bluenose]

Some of these placings have left me a little confused!

[natenator]

Some of these placings have left me a little confused!
Which ones?

[natenator]

I took 6th in the masters heavy class (over 190lbs) I really though I did better but that's BB. I will post some pics when I get them organized. Suffice to say i weighed in 227lbs and was in the best shape of my life so i am happy about that...prep went beautifully..carb up was perfect and i was very dry come Sunday morning...nothing more i could have really done except for my height i need about 10-15lbs more muscle to win.
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Cant change genetics but one thing a lot of people can learn from you is your ability to do work amd get shit done. Many have the genetics but lack what you have which is what matters the most in my opinion!

[DKW]

Under "Women's Masters LW" :Is It "Yvette", Or "Ivette" Landry?? I've actually seen it spelled BOTH ways, when I've Googled it..

[Praetorian]

Some of these placings have left me a little confused!


You got that right...really odd!
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[DKW]

& Sylvia Burgin is actually spelled, "Bergen". Understandable errors if the poster was tired, & did this list, RIGHT after the show...

[Mr.Freeze]

Mens Overall Winner: Mike Johnson (NS) Mens Super Heavyweight

Womens Overall Winner: Fabiola Boulanger (PQ) Womens Heavyweight

Additional IFBB Pro Card winners:
Lisa Giesbrecht (BC) Womens Masters Heavy

Martin Allard (PQ) Mens Masters Heavy

Renaldo Gairy (ON) Mens Heavyweight


Mens Masters Light

1 - Steve Marsh MB
2 - Abdul Sagar ON
3 - Compton Austin ON
4 - William Celis ON
5 - Yves Montmarquette PQ
6 - Steve Charbonneau ON
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Luciano Rao ON
9 - Doug Heron ON
10 - Paul Brooker ON withdrew

Mens Masters Middle

1 - Loius Chartier PQ
2 - Jean Pascal Labelle PQ
3 - Andre Longchamp PQ
4 - Bernie Mockler ON
5 - Guy Deschamps PQ
6 - Will Jones AB
7 - Richard Lalonde PQ withdrew

Mens Masters Heavy

1 - Martin Allard PQ
2 - Tyrone Ashmeade BC
3 - Andrew Dudka NS
4 - Adam Headland ON
5 - Abraham Eustace ON
6 - Steve Potvin PQ
7 - Rob Friss AB
8 - Ted Trush ON
9 - Charles Straceny BC
10 - Simon Lafontaine PQ
11 - Jonathon Heron ON
12 - Daniel Blouin PQ
13 - Ervin Molnar ON withdrew

Mens Grandmasters 50+

1 - Serge Poliquin PQ
2 - Frank Grieco ON
3 - Daniel St-Arnault PQ
4 - Emmett Kyler AB
5 - Guy Thibodeau PQ
6 - Shevon Nelson ON
7 - Tom Weaver ON
8 - Gilles Bellehumeur PQ
9 - Brian Steiss ON
10 - Michel Cochelin PQ
11 - Philippe Maisonneuve PQ
12 - Omar Douceur PQ

Mens Bantamweight

1 - Shawn Gambin NL
2 - Daniel St-Arnault PQ
3 - Robert Murphy NS
4 - Tun Tun Thant SK
5 - Aries Flores ON
6 - Chris Doan ON
7 - Mathieu Lussier PQ withdrew

Mens Lightweight

1 - Scott Kivisto ON
2 - Steve Charbonneau ON
3 - Richard McIntyre PQ
4 - Nyrton Pierre-Antoine ON
5 - Antonio Larosa ON
6 - Darrell McDonald MB
7 - Paul Brooker ON withdrew
8 - Vishnu Persad ON withdrew

Mens Welterweight

1 - Abdul Sagar ON
2 - Joshua Atsriku ON
3 - Williams Celis ON
4 - Steve Marsh MB
5 - Chris Johnson NS
6 - Jamie Peterson NB
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Mark Loo BC
9 - Chris Gurunlian PQ
10 - Guy Thibodeau PQ
11 - Luciano Rao ON withdrew

Mens Middleweight

1 - Shawn Haines PQ
2 - Miguel Coulombe PQ
3 - Branden McCraney ON
4 - John Chung SK
5 - Serge Poliquin PQ
6 - Michael Ferrer ON
7 - Dimitrios Klonarakis BC
8 - Ryan Letwin ON
9 - Emmett Kyler AB
10 - Tommy Brousseau PQ

Mens Light Heavyweight

1 - Martin Allard PQ
2 - Tony Searle ON
3 - Khaled Chikhaoui PQ
4 - Kirk Oberg SK
5 - Frantz Prevaly PQ
6 - Jean Pascale Labelle PQ
7 - Louis Chartier PQ
8 - Mich Roussin ON
9 - Bernard Junior Rock PQ
10 - Steven Olema ON
11 - Simon Lafontaine PQ
12 - Justin Kelly PQ
13 - Joseph Conte ON
14 - Steven Coté PQ
15 - Benjamin Babo SK
16 - Mark St. Arnaud BC
17 - Shannon Anstey ON withdrew
18 - Sylvain Antinozzi PQ withdrew
19 - Marc Andre Tremblay PQ withdrew
20 - Joe Kuroaka AB withdrew
21 - Shane Roberts ON withdrew
22 - Max Rositsan ON withdrew

Mens Heavyweight

1 - Renaldo Gairy ON
2 - Alexandre Raymond PQ
3 - Zane Watson ON
4 - Tyron Ashmeade BC
5 - Mike Lynds NS
6 - Alex Audi ON
7 - Leo Di Fruscia PQ
8 - Jordan Janvier AB
9 - Sammy Nagib PQ
10 - Jean Nicolas Audet PQ
11 - Chad Kerr SK
12 - Marko Zaborac ON
13 - Hassan Jama ON
14 - James Donato NS
15 - Adam Headland ON
16 - Raminder Gill BC
17 - Henri Mensah ON
18 - Charles Straceny BC
19 - Jerome Cellier PQ
20 - Tim Love ON withdrew
21 - Maxime Duchemin PQ withdrew
22 - Victor Lacobelli ON withdrew
23 - Alex Fontaine PQ withdrew


Mens Super Heavyweight

1 - Mike Johnson NS
2 - Jerome Bravo ON
3 - Antoine Vaillant PQ
4 - Ryan Malo PQ
5 - Loutfi Ajaoun PQ
6 - Mathieu Langlois PQ
7 - Kip Brown ON
8 - Jean-Francois Bouchard PQ withdrew
9 - Abraham Eustace ON withdrew
10 - Frederic Parent PQ withdrew
11 - Ervin Molnar ON withdrew
12 - Daniel Blouin PQ withdrew

Mens Classic Short

1 - Michael Ferrer ON
2 - Joe Marcoux MB
3 - Chris Gurunlin PQ
4 - Jerry Poirier ON
5 - James Sheldon MB
6 - Tun Tun Thant SK
7 - James Elliot ON
8 - Luciano Rao ON
9 - Paul Taylor MB
10 - Paul Brooker ON

Mens Classic Tall

1 - Alex Whamond NB
2 - John Wintrup Whamond MB

Womens Grandmasters

1 - Nancy Clark BC
2 - Sharon Mould ON
3 - Dawn Alison BC
4- Carol Hanley ON
5 - Mary Lynne Mackenzie ON
6 - Ellen Partnoy AB
7 - Debbie Rotoff MB
8 - Danea Rowley PQ
9- Laura Davies ON
10 - Barbara Travis AB
11 - Lorilee Sweeney BC
12- Sylvia Bergen AB

Womens Masters Light

1 - Maria Mikola ON
2 - Ivette Landry MB
3 - Diane Fraser AB

Womens Masters Heavy

1 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
2 - Joanne Williams ON
3 - Tananavire McGowan ON
4 - Nancy Richard PQ
5 - Heather Manuel NL
6 - Debbie Fury NS
7 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

Womens Lightweight

1 - Barbara Stannard AB
2 - Ivette Landry MB
3 - Sylvia Bergen PQ

Womens Middleweight

1 - Carmen Tocheniuk AB
2 - Carol Hanley ON
3 - Dolly Skailes BC
4 - Maria Mikola ON
5 - Ellen Partnoy AB
6 - Danea Rowley PQ
7 - Diane Fraser AB withdrew

Womens Light Heavyweight

1 - Nancy Richard PQ
2 - Debbie Fury NS
3 - Debbie Rotoff MB
4 - Laura Davies ON

Womens Heavyweight

1 - Fabiola Boulanger PQ
2 - Tara Silzer AB
3 - Joanne Williams ON
4 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
5 - Nancy Clark BC
6 - Sharon Mould ON
7 - Dawn Alison BC
8 - Tananavire McGowan ON
9 - Heather Manuel NL
10 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Thanks Mr. Freeze.

I'll be creating a profile for each competitor in the near future and when I do that, I have to search for competitor names and end up fixing a lot of names when I find their previous competition history.

[bluenose]

Which ones?

Now granted I was not there in person, but from what I heard Hassan was called out in the first group then ended up 13th. From the pictures that I saw SHW winner was out muscled, but maybe he was super crisp it was hard to tell from the pics.
The light heavy weights not sure what that class looked like, but pretty much a rookie line up with the exception of Martin Allard. So, may have been a very shallow group.
Like to see more pictures to have a better idea, but again shitty ass coverage for the largest bodybuilding show in Canada!

[blp]

dawn 3rd ? she could had be more crisp but my god she was in shape , had her first

andre longchamps too , lower abs swollen but still he kick ass , first

happy for alexandre raymond he always tend overdiet , this time i saw him at progym few days before n was mega full n round

zane watson n antoine will hav prolific carreer

khaled top 3 light heavy at 25 years old , insane genetic

it's about time they give it to martin allard he was flawless

jerome bravo had th prolook and th scary intimidating size in my book

fabiola not a surprise and super hot feminine feature also ,,

[Dryvrgrl]

Now granted I was not there in person, but from what I heard Hassan was called out in the first group then ended up 13th. From the pictures that I saw SHW winner was out muscled, but maybe he was super crisp it was hard to tell from the pics.
The light heavy weights not sure what that class looked like, but pretty much a rookie line up with the exception of Martin Allard. So, may have been a very shallow group.
Like to see more pictures to have a better idea, but again shitty ass coverage for the largest bodybuilding show in Canada!

I KNOW!!!!!! why doesnt someone offer me some cash.. like to cover my expences.. like the roaming charges on my phone and the ticket cost, cus i sure as hell dont get to WATCH the show when im trying to listen to a feench announcer bastardize the english language and discern names out of what hes saying.. added to the fact that the promoter put a blind girl in row fricken s.. OH and that im blind, and working completely alone for the last 4 years that i volubnteered to do coverage...

better yet, you do it next year

[natenator]

I KNOW!!!!!! why doesnt someone offer me some cash.. like to cover my expences.. like the roaming charges on my phone and the ticket cost, cus i sure as hell dont get to WATCH the show when im trying to listen to a feench announcer bastardize the english language and discern names out of what hes saying.. added to the fact that the promoter put a blind girl in row fricken s.. OH and that im blind, and working completely alone for the last 4 years that i volubnteered to do coverage...

better yet, you do it next year

You should go **** yourself.

[Dryvrgrl]

You should go **** yourself.


and done here... your welcome

[bluenose]

I KNOW!!!!!! why doesnt someone offer me some cash.. like to cover my expences.. like the roaming charges on my phone and the ticket cost, cus i sure as hell dont get to WATCH the show when im trying to listen to a feench announcer bastardize the english language and discern names out of what hes saying.. added to the fact that the promoter put a blind girl in row fricken s.. OH and that im blind, and working completely alone for the last 4 years that i volubnteered to do coverage...

better yet, you do it next year

I was referring to " Professional " coverage. If I was going to be a show rat I would definately take a camera with me and take pictures. Also, if you can't afford it don't go then!

[phatkid77]

People pay roaming fees still?? Wow..

[steve_d]

I KNOW!!!!!! why doesnt someone offer me some cash.. like to cover my expences.. like the roaming charges on my phone and the ticket cost, cus i sure as hell dont get to WATCH the show when im trying to listen to a feench announcer bastardize the english language and discern names out of what hes saying.. added to the fact that the promoter put a blind girl in row fricken s.. OH and that im blind, and working completely alone for the last 4 years that i volubnteered to do coverage...

better yet, you do it next year

totally uncalled for.

[dainbramaged]

Anyone have the placings of the Juniors?

[freaky abs]

Anyone have the placings of the Juniors?
1st place Juniors Iain Valliere

[MuSuLPhReAk]

2 - François-Philippe Lefebvre
3 - Robin Strand

[dainbramaged]

Much appreciated. But I was also wondering about the rest of the list too?

[steve_d]

Jr Mens
1. Iain Valliere
2. Francoise Phillippe Lefebvre
3. Robin Strand
4. Brendan Demers
5. Eric Fortier
6. Isaac Baier
7. Elliot Carr
8. Brandon Tufts
9. Tommy Brousseau
10. Benjamin Babo
11. Maxime Boudreault
12. Jesse Yakimchuk
13. Michael Wilson
14. Jordan Dustan

Not sure why cbbf didn't have these posted along with scores, but the results were as above. I don't have the scores.

[Delt King]

I've only been to 2 nationals but i was very surprised as to what the experience was like compared to last year. Harvey last yr put on a top notch show and treated the athletes very well with an entire pump up room gym, a big oil and tanning room with experienced volunteers to help put both on, seperate dressing rooms per class, lots of runners telling us exactly when we needed to get ready wether it was tanning/oil or pumping up or when we needed to get to the stage to line up. Now this year i expected the same (naive i guess) but it was the most unorganized show i've ever been in. Athletes stacked on top of each other in the tiny backstage area. One bench and two sets of dumbells for 210 athletes. No information as to what class was on and who was on deck etc. I've been to dozens of shows and this was by far the worst experiance as an athlete. Not impressed. Couple that with inconsistent judging in some classes and announcers that spoke 80 percent french. What a joke.

[Praetorian]

Agree!
P

[dainbramaged]

Thanks Steve!


Jr Mens
1. Iain Valliere
2. Francoise Phillippe Lefebvre
3. Robin Strand
4. Brendan Demers
5. Eric Fortier
6. Isaac Baier
7. Elliot Carr
8. Brandon Tufts
9. Tommy Brousseau
10. Benjamin Babo
11. Maxime Boudreault
12. Jesse Yakimchuk
13. Michael Wilson
14. Jordan Dustan

Not sure why cbbf didn't have these posted along with scores, but the results were as above. I don't have the scores.

[JonnyO]

How does a woman take 1st in one class then place behind a girl in the Open that she beat in the Masters? Joanne Williams...

Womens Masters Heavy
1 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
2 - Joanne Williams ON
3 - Tananavire McGowan ON
4 - Nancy Richard PQ
5 - Heather Manuel NL
6 - Debbie Fury NS
7 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

Womens Heavyweight
1 - Fabiola Boulanger PQ
2 - Tara Silzer AB
3 - Joanne Williams ON
4 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
5 - Nancy Clark BC
6 - Sharon Mould ON
7 - Dawn Alison BC
8 - Tananavire McGowan ON
9 - Heather Manuel NL
10 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

[bluenose]

I've only been to 2 nationals but i was very surprised as to what the experience was like compared to last year. Harvey last yr put on a top notch show and treated the athletes very well with an entire pump up room gym, a big oil and tanning room with experienced volunteers to help put both on, seperate dressing rooms per class, lots of runners telling us exactly when we needed to get ready wether it was tanning/oil or pumping up or when we needed to get to the stage to line up. Now this year i expected the same (naive i guess) but it was the most unorganized show i've ever been in. Athletes stacked on top of each other in the tiny backstage area. One bench and two sets of dumbells for 210 athletes. No information as to what class was on and who was on deck etc. I've been to dozens of shows and this was by far the worst experiance as an athlete. Not impressed. Couple that with inconsistent judging in some classes and announcers that spoke 80 percent french. What a joke.

Have to agree! But every time it comes back east they hold it in Montreal. Just proves its just a money maker and the athletes come second!

[steve_d]

How does a woman take 1st in one class then place behind a girl in the Open that she beat in the Masters? Joanne Williams...

Womens Masters Heavy
1 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
2 - Joanne Williams ON
3 - Tananavire McGowan ON
4 - Nancy Richard PQ
5 - Heather Manuel NL
6 - Debbie Fury NS
7 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

Womens Heavyweight
1 - Fabiola Boulanger PQ
2 - Tara Silzer AB
3 - Joanne Williams ON
4 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
5 - Nancy Clark BC
6 - Sharon Mould ON
7 - Dawn Alison BC
8 - Tananavire McGowan ON
9 - Heather Manuel NL
10 - Wendy McMaster ON withdrew

I explained a similar outcome in the other thread. 1st and 2nd got reversed to 4th and 1st...and even that was explainable.


assume 7 judges. Cancel high and low..

Weight Division:
Competitor A places 1st, Competitor B places 2nd

Masters:
Competitor A places 4th, Competitor B places 1st

How is this possible without judging inconsistencies.

Masters:

Judge Rank_A Rank_B
1 2 1
2 1 2
3 1 2
4 3 2
5 3 2
6 2 1
7 3 4

Weight class:

Judge Rank_A Rank_B
1 2 1
2 1 5
3 1 5
4 2 1
5 3 2
6 2 1
7 1 6


If you cancel high low, above, A will get 11 points, B will get 9 points for the masters class. If you do the same thing in the weight class example, A will have 8 point, B will have 14. Complete consistency within the judges, but a different outcome. In fact the scores are similar to what happened in Steve's case. The big part responsible for this is judge 2,3, and 7, where you see competitor B had low scores even though consistent. But how did that happen? In this example, it implies in the weight class there were extra compititors who squeezed there way in between A and B, which resulted in B score driven down relative to A in those 3 judges.

So the end result is it is possible, even when judges are not out to lunch. Whether or not this happened, would require seeing the judges score cards.


I honestly don't think that is what happened in this case, as I was looking at the scores, and the scores didn't really allow for any type of scenario like this.

I could go on and on about this, but the way the scoring system is - (ranks) it will always be possible for this to happen. The only way to avoid it would be to give scores for each competitor (say out of 100). That way close individuals get similar scores. The ranking way always assumes an equal distance between 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th...But we all know that isn't the way it goes.

I should write a paper on this someday.

[Sean Summers]

Steve d,
It all depends on the number of girls in each comparison. If the top 3 girls are compared and then the next 3 are compared and that's it then there is no way that a "next 3" girl could be a "top 3" girl. I would seriously like to see the scores. I'm also pretty sure there are rules against judges who score a girl 5th when she is awarded 1st for example. There is no way they should be judging. Especially at the Nationals!
Judges are supposed to be given notice of the dual class competitors so that this thing doesn't happen. Unfortunately, it did. Were they given notice? Looks like they weren't. Pretty sad especially at the National level. I would be forwarding a complaint to Manion if it happened to me. Total joke. Really goes to show you what happens when the organization is so far removed from actually competing that they forget or don't even know what it's like to compete. The CBBF had better focus on the athletes instead of themselves or they will lose the confidence of its members.

[Stunna]

Steve d,
It all depends on the number of girls in each comparison. If the top 3 girls are compared and then the next 3 are compared and that's it then there is no way that a "next 3" girl could be a "top 3" girl. I would seriously like to see the scores. I'm also pretty sure there are rules against judges who score a girl 5th when she is awarded 1st for example. There is no way they should be judging. Especially at the Nationals!

There was lots to ponder with the judging i didnt wanna think about my class too much it was just a mystery

[Stunna]

the NA format is best they bring out groups of 7 or 6 do the quarter turns and mandatory, then you come out each for 30 second free posing(this where you can shine) then third round call outs. It actually goes faster and gives guys a chance to present themselves especially when you trying to cram 30 guys on a stage.

[steve_d]

My example was not for the women class. This was for a seperate class. And it was to illustrate a point to not always throw down the judges when this happens, as it can and will always happen time and time again. Sometimes for the right reason, sometimes for the wrong reason.

The top 3 girls to next 3 girls is also a great example as to why this would happen. I don't think this is what happened though in this case, but this always happens especially at the longer shows (such as nationals)...if you don't make call out your screwed. But really - how is that fair. Another flaw in the judging system...but hard to overcome due to time constraints. In a perfect world, the top competitor from the 'next 3' would be brought into the mix and at minimum compared to the last girl of the 'top 3'.

Its subjective, and that's fine. People just need to accept that it is subjective, funny things can also happen because of the system, and that it is likely the best system that we can have. Nothing is perfect

[ironwill]

and done here... your welcome
I think i saw a bus heading down to pity city.....jeeeeze......Get a grip on reality kid!!!

[natenator]

I think i saw a bus heading down to pity city.....jeeeeze......Get a grip on reality kid!!!

was it a short bus? :D

[z83]

I thought I took 6th in the masters heavy class (CBBF site shows 8th which I cant understand) I was second call out in the middle...they juggled a few people around me but they kept me front and center...which to me is 6th because the first call out was top five...cant wait to post pics. I really thought I did better as i already had beaten guys they placed ahead of me twice this year and i was much better in Montreal. Suffice to say i weighed in 227lbs and was in the best shape of my life so i am happy about that...prep went beautifully..carb up was perfect and i was very dry come Sunday morning...nothing more i could have really done except for my height i need about 10-15lbs more muscle to win.
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bump ! :P

[Praetorian]

Just waiting for the pics from Gary Bartlett.
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[mro2000]

Have too agree that as i spectator this has been my worst experience of all shows attended. There werent even programs to tell what the hell was going on, which line-ups etc. or when intermission was - pretty confusing. And the traffic in and out of the theatre was just nuts - why only 1 entrance/exit point ? And since when do the vip rows get filled up with a supporters club ? When Fabiola came on goodluck trying to see the stage if you were seated behind row 5. At $75 a ticket Montreal was a disgrace !!

[fitbody]

2011 Canadian National TEAM BC Results


Mens Masters Light
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC

Mens Masters Heavy
2 - Tyrone Ashmeade BC
9 - Charles Straceny BC

Mens Welterweight
7 - Todd Hnatiuk BC
8 - Mark Loo BC

Mens Middleweight
7 - Dimitrios Klonarakis BC

Mens Light Heavyweight
16 - Mark St. Arnaud BC

Mens Heavyweight
4 - Tyron Ashmeade BC
16 - Raminder Gill BC
18 - Charles Straceny BC

Womens Junior
1 - Bianca Liberatore

Womens Grandmasters
1 - Nancy Clark BC
3 - Dawn Alison BC
11 - Lorilee Sweeney BC

Womens Masters Heavy
1 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC

Womens Middleweight
3 - Dolly Skailes BC


Womens Heavyweight
4 - Lisa Giesbrecht BC
5 - Nancy Clark BC
7 - Dawn Alison BC

OVERALL MASTERS CHAMP & IFBB PRO CARD Lisa Giesbrecht BC

[fitbody]

Big Congrats to BC Girl Lisa Giesbrecht
who won OVERALL MASTERS CHAMP
at 2011 Canadian National Championships last sunday
& earned her IFBB PRO CARD
good luck in the pros Lisa

[CBBFchampMikeFerrer]

Just posted some picks up on the "Official" 2011 Canadian National Bodybuilding Championships thread. Hope y'all get a chance to take a quick peek!

-Michael Ferrer
2011 Canadian National Overall Classic Bodybuilding Champion