Jack Layton dead at 61

[dan1977]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/jack-layton-dead-at-61/article2137070/

Sad moment! He didn't even get to enjoy his success.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

RIP.

[Krozone]

Very sad day indeed.

[LonelyBedouin]

Rip Jack, he was the ONLY one in government that I liked and voted for.

[Redz]

While I hated his political agenda, he was a great leader. Hopefully this spells the end of socialism.

[razorsedge]

A great charismatic leader...credible man...didn't support his party but he was a good man!!

[Praetorian]

A letter to Canadians, from Jack Layton

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New Democratic Party leader Jack Layton speaks to reporters following a caucus meeting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 2, 2011. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick)

August 20, 2011

Toronto, Ontario

Dear Friends,

Tens of thousands of Canadians have written to me in recent weeks to wish me well. I want to thank each and every one of you for your thoughtful, inspiring and often beautiful notes, cards and gifts. Your spirit and love have lit up my home, my spirit, and my determination.

Unfortunately my treatment has not worked out as I hoped. So I am giving this letter to my partner Olivia to share with you in the circumstance in which I cannot continue.

I recommend that Hull-Aylmer MP Nycole Turmel continue her work as our interim leader until a permanent successor is elected.

I recommend the party hold a leadership vote as early as possible in the New Year, on approximately the same timelines as in 2003, so that our new leader has ample time to reconsolidate our team, renew our party and our program, and move forward towards the next election.

A few additional thoughts:

To other Canadians who are on journeys to defeat cancer and to live their lives, I say this: please don't be discouraged that my own journey hasn't gone as well as I had hoped. You must not lose your own hope. Treatments and therapies have never been better in the face of this disease. You have every reason to be optimistic, determined, and focused on the future. My only other advice is to cherish every moment with those you love at every stage of your journey, as I have done this summer.

To the members of my party: we've done remarkable things together in the past eight years. It has been a privilege to lead the New Democratic Party and I am most grateful for your confidence, your support, and the endless hours of volunteer commitment you have devoted to our cause. There will be those who will try to persuade you to give up our cause. But that cause is much bigger than any one leader. Answer them by recommitting with energy and determination to our work. Remember our proud history of social justice, universal health care, public pensions and making sure no one is left behind. Let's continue to move forward. Let's demonstrate in everything we do in the four years before us that we are ready to serve our beloved Canada as its next government.

To the members of our parliamentary caucus: I have been privileged to work with each and every one of you. Our caucus meetings were always the highlight of my week. It has been my role to ask a great deal from you. And now I am going to do so again. Canadians will be closely watching you in the months to come. Colleagues, I know you will make the tens of thousands of members of our party proud of you by demonstrating the same seamless teamwork and solidarity that has earned us the confidence of millions of Canadians in the recent election.

To my fellow Quebecers: On May 2nd, you made an historic decision. You decided that the way to replace Canada's Conservative federal government with something better was by working together in partnership with progressive-minded Canadians across the country. You made the right decision then; it is still the right decision today; and it will be the right decision right through to the next election, when we will succeed, together. You have elected a superb team of New Democrats to Parliament. They are going to be doing remarkable things in the years to come to make this country better for us all.

To young Canadians: All my life I have worked to make things better. Hope and optimism have defined my political career, and I continue to be hopeful and optimistic about Canada. Young people have been a great source of inspiration for me. I have met and talked with so many of you about your dreams, your frustrations, and your ideas for change. More and more, you are engaging in politics because you want to change things for the better. Many of you have placed your trust in our party. As my time in political life draws to a close I want to share with you my belief in your power to change this country and this world. There are great challenges before you, from the overwhelming nature of climate change to the unfairness of an economy that excludes so many from our collective wealth, and the changes necessary to build a more inclusive and generous Canada. I believe in you. Your energy, your vision, your passion for justice are exactly what this country needs today. You need to be at the heart of our economy, our political life, and our plans for the present and the future.

And finally, to all Canadians: Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity. We can build a prosperous economy and a society that shares its benefits more fairly. We can look after our seniors. We can offer better futures for our children. We can do our part to save the world's environment. We can restore our good name in the world. We can do all of these things because we finally have a party system at the national level where there are real choices; where your vote matters; where working for change can actually bring about change. In the months and years to come, New Democrats will put a compelling new alternative to you. My colleagues in our party are an impressive, committed team. Give them a careful hearing; consider the alternatives; and consider that we can be a better, fairer, more equal country by working together. Don't let them tell you it can't be done.

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world.

All my very best,

Jack Layton

[#8]

^^ This

Oh yeah, and rest in peace, and all that jazz.....

[LonelyBedouin]

On the bright side at least there's no risk of him being elected and running our country into the ground anymore.


^^ This

Oh yeah, and rest in peace, and all that jazz.....

Im sorry but do you really think thats something appropriate to say about someone who just passed? I would never say anything negative about someone who has recently passed (with exceptions to pedophiles, etc). Even if you dont like them, show a little class.

[#8]

Im sorry but do you really think thats something appropriate to say about someone who just passed? I would never say anything negative about someone who has recently passed (with exceptions to pedophiles, etc). Even if you dont like them, show a little class.

Too soon? LOL

You know whats classless? Promising Quebec an easier separation from Canada in the next referendum to win votes. Thats how NDP swept Quebec over the Bloc. Its unfortunate he died relatively young, but he wasnt doing any Canadians any favours at all. He was looking out for himself like a typical slimy hypocritical NDP rep usually does. My condolences to his family, but if you dont want to get ripped apart by the public, dont place yourself in the public forum, cater to separatists, then ask for sympathy.

[faller]

LMAO!! Repped and repped!!^^^

[natenator]

Actually, how the NDP swept Quebec had nothing to do with making separation easier and everything to do with what the people want politicians to do: further our own cause.

Every ****ing politician looks out for themselves first, their friends second and then the PEOPLE of the country, 150th (the special interest garner more favour becauxse of their minority status - gay rights anyone? ROFL)



Too soon? LOL

You know whats classless? Promising Quebec an easier separation from Canada in the next referendum to win votes. Thats how NDP swept Quebec over the Bloc. Its unfortunate he died relatively young, but he wasnt doing any Canadians any favours at all. He was looking out for himself like a typical slimy hypocritical NDP rep usually does. My condolences to his family, but if you dont want to get ripped apart by the public, dont place yourself in the public forum, cater to separatists, then ask for sympathy.

[Prisoner#22]

I have zero respect for him and I have zero class. I'll say what I feel. Political correctness and politeness can lick my johnson.

If you were around during WWII would you show Hitler respect when he passed??....he was a great leader also....and also had a TERRIBLE agenda that ****ed over many ppl.....Had Layton have been elected he would've ****ed over many ppl too.

Better him dead than spewing his garbage.

Its amazing how you can say things like you do and act like that while hiding behind your avatar. Everything you said there sums up likely who you are as a person. Somebody I would care never to know or be around. But of course your really don't care.

[cog]

Totally inappropriate to diss the man now.

[cog]

No comparison to Hitler whatsoever .

[faller]

Totally inappropriate to diss the man now.

Its the perfect time, he can't hear you. :rotflmao

[cog]

Very funny.Regardless of whether the man had a realistic vision of Canada...it seems he went out with class.

[rob66679]

Too soon? LOL

You know whats classless? Promising Quebec an easier separation from Canada in the next referendum to win votes. Thats how NDP swept Quebec over the Bloc. Its unfortunate he died relatively young, but he wasnt doing any Canadians any favours at all. He was looking out for himself like a typical slimy hypocritical NDP rep usually does. My condolences to his family, but if you dont want to get ripped apart by the public, dont place yourself in the public forum, cater to separatists, then ask for sympathy.

You know what? for a guy who claims to be taking University level Political Science courses you sure spew a lot of baseless bullshit, you get called on it consistently, and turn tail and run repeatedly..... Is sending tens of millions of dollars to Conservative ridings that are hundreds of miles away from the
G-12 a classy way to spend tax dollars? Did it fit into the Conservative platform of fiscal responsibility? Or is it just business as usual for every political party?
You're well on your way to a successful career in Politics.

As much as I don't like some of Harpers policys ( and hipocrisys ), I respect the fact that he is doing what he feels is right for Canada..... and if he died young I wouldn't use the oppritunity to bash him or his policys.

You can say what you want about the Mans ideology, and if it would work on a National level, but the guy was a City Councillor advocating for homeless people before he got into Federal politics...... You ever volunteer anywhere?

[#8]

Actually, how the NDP swept Quebec had nothing to do with making separation easier and everything to do with what the people want politicians to do: further our own cause.

Every ****ing politician looks out for themselves first, their friends second and then the PEOPLE of the country, 150th (the special interest garner more favour becauxse of their minority status - gay rights anyone? ROFL)

Nate, youre a smart guy, do you actually believe the Quebec vote had nothing to do with his promise of the 50% plus one victory in a referendum? Give your head a shake dude. His named successor is a known separatist. He ran on a platform catering to Quebec separatists to win votes because the rest of Canada has no time for his tax hiking bullshit spending ideas.

This man truly was a hypocrite to the ultimate. He and his wife were living in government subsidized housing while each making WELL over 6 figures a year. He says one thing and does the exact opposite. I get it that most politicians do this, but at least some dont pretend to be holier than thou while doing it. The only thing that could make this week better is for McGuinty to get diagnosed with something lethal, or at least wake up and realize how hard he has ass ****ed every single Ontarian and step down.

[rated_rko]

sad day in the political spectrum

[natenator]

Of course that was one of the factors but you really need to re-read my message again. ALL Politicians cater to the mass that they think will get them elected. Its called shouting at the rain and what makes those with a social agenda more successful is the groups that the pander to to garner those votes.

Why do you think unions typically vote NDP? Why do you think blue collar typically vote liberal/ndp? Why do you think corporate people typically vote Conservative?

Layton is/was no different than any other politician. The problem isn't with politicians, the problem is with voters. If we didn't demand X,Y and Z from our politicians (which is usually an impossible task in the first place) then they wouldn't need to lie to us or be hypocrites which goes back to politicians looking out for themselves first and their friends second. Them first because if they don't have a job they can't help their friends and it's their friends who help them get elected.

Hate on his politics because they don't agree with your own ideology but to hate on the man for doing EXACTLY what every other politician does (Yes, Harper too, #8) just makes you look like the hypocrite.





Nate, youre a smart guy, do you actually believe the Quebec vote had nothing to do with his promise of the 50% plus one victory in a referendum? Give your head a shake dude. His named successor is a known separatist. He ran on a platform catering to Quebec separatists to win votes because the rest of Canada has no time for his tax hiking bullshit spending ideas.

This man truly was a hypocrite to the ultimate. He and his wife were living in government subsidized housing while each making WELL over 6 figures a year. He says one thing and does the exact opposite. I get it that most politicians do this, but at least some dont pretend to be holier than thou while doing it. The only thing that could make this week better is for McGuinty to get diagnosed with something lethal, or at least wake up and realize how hard he has ass ****ed every single Ontarian and step down.

[natenator]

I'm an ass as much as the next person (ok, likely way more than the next person lol) but a man died yesterday and by all accounts a very good man as well. Just because he was in the public spotlight and held views that were different from your own doesn't make it right to bash HIM as a person.

He didn't kill anyone. He didn't harm anyone. He wasn't an abuser of men, women or children (that we know of). All he did was try to do good for some people in this country. His politics were different from mine and I wouldn't have wanted to see him as leader of this country but I certainly have respect for a man who put his time, money and health into something he felt was of a higher calling and its a shame that some of you can't do the same thing - all because you didn't believe/think the same things he did. Well golly gee, maybe the problem isn't with him - maybe the problem is with you?

[#8]

I hardly consider anyone living in government funded housing while making hundreds of thousands of dollars a "good man". He was also a strong advocate against a two tier healthcare system and bashed Harper for trying to introduce it in Canada, all the while paying to see a private practitioner. He was busted at a rub and tug, and instead of just admitting it respectably, claimed he had no idea what was going on when he was caught naked with lube and tissues everywhere. Every politician is a hypocrite to some degree, but he took it to a whole new level. Can you imagine how effed this country would be had he won the election?

Yes I volunteered for years with a disabled group of people helping them do paintings. I had the honour of forming some solid friendships with the people in this group which is something I will never forget.

Im not saying Layton was an evil person, but just because someone dies doesnt mean they automatically become a martyr in my books either. Layton was a wealthy guy who came from a family lineage of connected politicians. He claimed to be just like every other guy, but this is both insulting and far from the truth.

If you think that the NDP promise of Quebec separation was not responsible for their massive win in that province, what else can you attribute it to? The bloc held a stronghold in that province for many, many years and then all of the sudden they lose all their seats to NDP who are promising the 50% plus one. Its just as simple as it sounds.

[LonelyBedouin]

Im not saying Layton was an evil person, but just because someone dies doesnt mean they automatically become a martyr in my books either. Layton was a wealthy guy who came from a family lineage of connected politicians. He claimed to be just like every other guy, but this is both insulting and far from the truth.

Sorry to cut your post to just this, but he is still a human. So what if he went to rub and tugs? Rob Ford is a sexist, I wont say how shitty of a Mayor he is when he dies. I know everyone has opinions but when it comes to people passing, I think you just gotta turn the other way when it does happen. Again, this doesnt count for pedophiles, men who abuse women, etc. but to a man that tried to better Canada through what he and many others thought might make it better, I don see the need to bash a dead man. Or at least the day he passed...

[cog]

Maybe he lived in gov funded housing because he wanted to remain amongst ordinary people.Instead of limos.

[Prisoner#22]

I hardly consider anyone living in government funded housing while making hundreds of thousands of dollars a "good man". He was also a strong advocate against a two tier healthcare system and bashed Harper for trying to introduce it in Canada, all the while paying to see a private practitioner. He was busted at a rub and tug, and instead of just admitting it respectably, claimed he had no idea what was going on when he was caught naked with lube and tissues everywhere. Every politician is a hypocrite to some degree, but he took it to a whole new level. Can you imagine how effed this country would be had he won the election?

Yes I volunteered for years with a disabled group of people helping them do paintings. I had the honour of forming some solid friendships with the people in this group which is something I will never forget.

Im not saying Layton was an evil person, but just because someone dies doesnt mean they automatically become a martyr in my books either. Layton was a wealthy guy who came from a family lineage of connected politicians. He claimed to be just like every other guy, but this is both insulting and far from the truth.

If you think that the NDP promise of Quebec separation was not responsible for their massive win in that province, what else can you attribute it to? The bloc held a stronghold in that province for many, many years and then all of the sudden they lose all their seats to NDP who are promising the 50% plus one. Its just as simple as it sounds.

First off you use hyperbole to make your point. Hundreds of thousands of dollars? c'mon, even the prime minister doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. And last I checked the prime minister stays in government funded housing. Big deal. Secondly Rub'n tugs are not illegal. Do your research. This only shows his humanity if nothing else. And to spew your lies of the NDP as a separtist party is just rediculous. The NDP was elected quite frankly because quebecors wanted a national party that would represent their socialists values better than the Bloc had done and Mr. Layton's campaign was able to turn the tide. Some experts speculate that the NDP victory in Quebec may have saved the country from going through another referendum anytime soon, as both federal and provincial separitist parties are now in dissaray.

I thought a lot of Mr Layton's policies were common sense, like for example why give the banks and oil companies tax breaks? instead give the tax breaks to the companies that need them, the companies that are hiring and creating jobs. Their platform of legalizing marijuana...taxation and elimination as of means of revenue for organized crime. I 'm quite sure if the NDP would have taken power, the possible legalization of aas use could have been also possible under the the same NDP line of thought.

Jack Layton's NDP was much closer to the center than the NDP of Tommy Douglas and later Ed Broadbent, that's why Canadians voted for them. Canadians are no longer afraid of the NDP. There was a time when the NDP were thought of as communists, that's not the case anymore. Layton's caucus is not the incompetant caucus of the Ontario NDP of the early 90's. Far from it. Much of his representatives are new and fresh thinkers.

And I'm not knocking Prime minister Harper. He has distinguished himself quite well over the last 5 years, granted there has been scandals and such, but that happens in all parties eventually. Canada as a country is in great shape, and yeah a lot of that is thanks to Prime Minister Paul Martin. Bottom line is I would take any canadian government any day over the collection of idiots you see in american pollitics. Our right wing is probably very much the center, if not leftest leaning when you compare to tea-party republicans in the states. Compared to us they are so ****ed, its sad.

[Andre Gregoire]

First off you use hyperbole to make your point. Hundreds of thousands of dollars? c'mon, even the prime minister doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. And last I checked the prime minister stays in government funded housing. Big deal. Secondly Rub'n tugs are not illegal. Do your research. This only shows his humanity if nothing else. And to spew your lies of the NDP as a separtist party is just rediculous. The NDP was elected quite frankly because quebecors wanted a national party that would represent their socialists values better than the Bloc had done and Mr. Layton's campaign was able to turn the tide. Some experts speculate that the NDP victory in Quebec may have saved the country from going through another referendum anytime soon, as both federal and provincial separitist parties are now in dissaray.

I thought a lot of Mr Layton's policies were common sense, like for example why give the banks and oil companies tax breaks? instead give the tax breaks to the companies that need them, the companies that are hiring and creating jobs. Their platform of legalizing marijuana...taxation and elimination as of means of revenue for organized crime. I 'm quite sure if the NDP would have taken power, the possible legalization of aas use could have been also possible under the the same NDP line of thought.

Jack Layton's NDP was much closer to the center than the NDP of Tommy Douglas and later Ed Broadbent, that's why Canadians voted for them. Canadians are no longer afraid of the NDP. There was a time when the NDP were thought of as communists, that's not the case anymore. Layton's caucus is not the incompetant caucus of the Ontario NDP of the early 90's. Far from it. Much of his representatives are new and fresh thinkers.

And I'm not knocking Prime minister Harper. He has distinguished himself quite well over the last 5 years, granted there has been scandals and such, but that happens in all parties eventually. Canada as a country is in great shape, and yeah a lot of that is thanks to Prime Minister Paul Martin. Bottom line is I would take any canadian government any day over the collection of idiots you see in american pollitics. Our right wing is probably very much the center, if not leftest leaning when you compare to tea-party republicans in the states. Compared to us they are so ****ed, its sad.

Great post.

[rob66679]

First off you use hyperbole to make your point. Hundreds of thousands of dollars? c'mon, even the prime minister doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. And last I checked the prime minister stays in government funded housing. Big deal. Secondly Rub'n tugs are not illegal. Do your research. This only shows his humanity if nothing else. And to spew your lies of the NDP as a separtist party is just rediculous. The NDP was elected quite frankly because quebecors wanted a national party that would represent their socialists values better than the Bloc had done and Mr. Layton's campaign was able to turn the tide. Some experts speculate that the NDP victory in Quebec may have saved the country from going through another referendum anytime soon, as both federal and provincial separitist parties are now in dissaray.

I thought a lot of Mr Layton's policies were common sense, like for example why give the banks and oil companies tax breaks? instead give the tax breaks to the companies that need them, the companies that are hiring and creating jobs. Their platform of legalizing marijuana...taxation and elimination as of means of revenue for organized crime. I 'm quite sure if the NDP would have taken power, the possible legalization of aas use could have been also possible under the the same NDP line of thought.

Jack Layton's NDP was much closer to the center than the NDP of Tommy Douglas and later Ed Broadbent, that's why Canadians voted for them. Canadians are no longer afraid of the NDP. There was a time when the NDP were thought of as communists, that's not the case anymore. Layton's caucus is not the incompetant caucus of the Ontario NDP of the early 90's. Far from it. Much of his representatives are new and fresh thinkers.

And I'm not knocking Prime minister Harper. He has distinguished himself quite well over the last 5 years, granted there has been scandals and such, but that happens in all parties eventually. Canada as a country is in great shape, and yeah a lot of that is thanks to Prime Minister Paul Martin. Bottom line is I would take any canadian government any day over the collection of idiots you see in american pollitics. Our right wing is probably very much the center, if not leftest leaning when you compare to tea-party republicans in the states. Compared to us they are so ****ed, its sad.

Very good post, very well said.

[rob66679]

I hardly consider anyone living in government funded housing while making hundreds of thousands of dollars a "good man". He was also a strong advocate against a two tier healthcare system and bashed Harper for trying to introduce it in Canada, all the while paying to see a private practitioner. He was busted at a rub and tug, and instead of just admitting it respectably, claimed he had no idea what was going on when he was caught naked with lube and tissues everywhere. Every politician is a hypocrite to some degree, but he took it to a whole new level. Can you imagine how effed this country would be had he won the election?

Yes I volunteered for years with a disabled group of people helping them do paintings. I had the honour of forming some solid friendships with the people in this group which is something I will never forget.

Im not saying Layton was an evil person, but just because someone dies doesnt mean they automatically become a martyr in my books either. Layton was a wealthy guy who came from a family lineage of connected politicians. He claimed to be just like every other guy, but this is both insulting and far from the truth.

If you think that the NDP promise of Quebec separation was not responsible for their massive win in that province, what else can you attribute it to? The bloc held a stronghold in that province for many, many years and then all of the sudden they lose all their seats to NDP who are promising the 50% plus one. Its just as simple as it sounds.

So instead of bringing up a million things your party has lied about, sex scandals they have tried to cover up, money they have pissed away, we'll just say that no political party is immune to that kind of stuff...... And as far as you guys constantly going on about what would happen if the NDP actually won, you should look at the books in Nova Scotia over the last 2 years....... Its gone from Conservative run deficits to surplus of around 400 million this year.... maybe everything isn't so black % white is it?

Conservatism is supposed to be about seeing things for the way they really are, not the way you want them to be.... something for you to ponder.

[RagingRandy]

Conservatism is supposed to be about seeing things for the way they really are, not the way you want them to be.... something for you to ponder.

Ponder that your avi is of one the the most brutal murderers this world has ever known. People who prop up Che as some kind of hero are the most disillusion I have met. Before you go off on a rant of the "freedom fighter" please note, I am well acquainted with Cuba as may wife is Cuban. I know people that fought with Che and Castro and regret it to this day. Some of these same people fought in places like Angola as "freedom fighters". When they are willing to talk they can share nothing but the horrors these leaders asked them to perform. No trials. no questions asked when a bullet in the head would suffice. One man put it quite plainly when I asked what drew him in. He told me it was easy to tell a poor farmer he could have a better life. Castro and the likes of Che used poor uneducated men to do their bidding. When they got what they wanted they disposed of them like you would garbage.

The thing that I do understand is that at least in some some respect they believed that what they were doing was right. Just because you are sincere does not mean anything. Being sincerely wrong is still wrong and will cause harm regardless of serenity.

Also note your avatar is as offensive to an educated person as Hitler is to a Jew.

[cog]

The Angolans were trying to throw of Portuguese colonialism.

[#8]

First off you use hyperbole to make your point. Hundreds of thousands of dollars? c'mon, even the prime minister doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. And last I checked the prime minister stays in government funded housing. Big deal. Secondly Rub'n tugs are not illegal. Do your research. This only shows his humanity if nothing else. And to spew your lies of the NDP as a separtist party is just rediculous. The NDP was elected quite frankly because quebecors wanted a national party that would represent their socialists values better than the Bloc had done and Mr. Layton's campaign was able to turn the tide. Some experts speculate that the NDP victory in Quebec may have saved the country from going through another referendum anytime soon, as both federal and provincial separitist parties are now in dissaray.

I thought a lot of Mr Layton's policies were common sense, like for example why give the banks and oil companies tax breaks? instead give the tax breaks to the companies that need them, the companies that are hiring and creating jobs. Their platform of legalizing marijuana...taxation and elimination as of means of revenue for organized crime. I 'm quite sure if the NDP would have taken power, the possible legalization of aas use could have been also possible under the the same NDP line of thought.

Jack Layton's NDP was much closer to the center than the NDP of Tommy Douglas and later Ed Broadbent, that's why Canadians voted for them. Canadians are no longer afraid of the NDP. There was a time when the NDP were thought of as communists, that's not the case anymore. Layton's caucus is not the incompetant caucus of the Ontario NDP of the early 90's. Far from it. Much of his representatives are new and fresh thinkers.

And I'm not knocking Prime minister Harper. He has distinguished himself quite well over the last 5 years, granted there has been scandals and such, but that happens in all parties eventually. Canada as a country is in great shape, and yeah a lot of that is thanks to Prime Minister Paul Martin. Bottom line is I would take any canadian government any day over the collection of idiots you see in american pollitics. Our right wing is probably very much the center, if not leftest leaning when you compare to tea-party republicans in the states. Compared to us they are so ****ed, its sad.

What do you do for a living? Just curious.

Also, when youre working as a city counselor and so is your wife, guess what, there are multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars coming into your home annually. Pretty simple math big guy. Second, living in government funded housing when you can clearly afford something much nicer makes you a piece of shit hypocrite faggot douchebag. He is literally taking the home that is subsidized from someone that NEEDS it. You think he was living there to be around the regular folks? Give your ****ing head a shake. That is both pathetically innaccurate, and unbelievably naive. He was doing it for the cheap housing as to pocket more dough. If you actually believe the NDP government would have done a good job running things, I hope you vote them into power and get to experience them on the federal level. I will hopefully be living in another country and I will sit back and let you reap the benefits of your well cast vote.

[#8]

Ponder that your avi is of one the the most brutal murderers this world has ever known. People who prop up Che as some kind of hero are the most disillusion I have met. Before you go off on a rant of the "freedom fighter" please note, I am well acquainted with Cuba as may wife is Cuban. I know people that fought with Che and Castro and regret it to this day. Some of these same people fought in places like Angola as "freedom fighters". When they are willing to talk they can share nothing but the horrors these leaders asked them to perform. No trials. no questions asked when a bullet in the head would suffice. One man put it quite plainly when I asked what drew him in. He told me it was easy to tell a poor farmer he could have a better life. Castro and the likes of Che used poor uneducated men to do their bidding. When they got what they wanted they disposed of them like you would garbage.

The thing that I do understand is that at least in some some respect they believed that what they were doing was right. Just because you are sincere does not mean anything. Being sincerely wrong is still wrong and will cause harm regardless of serenity.

Also note your avatar is as offensive to an educated person as Hitler is to a Jew.

LOL. Exactly. I didnt want to bring this up as it strayed from the convo, but well said dude. Putting up pics of known political icons doesnt make you in the know, it just makes you a dbag.

[#8]

If Dalton McGuinty or Brian Mulroney died tomorrow would they be amazing people who fought for what they believed in also?

I think they should be remembered for what they contributed. Devastating the families of Canada and Ontario while giving themselves a hefty raise. Oh wait, but they were GREAT people though right? I think you should judge a man by his actions. I have yet to see some action that doesnt make me sick.

[Prisoner#22]

What do you do for a living? Just curious.

"Give your ****ing head a shake". "you a piece of shit hypocrite faggot douchebag". "That is both pathetically innaccurate, and unbelievably naive".
"NDP government would have done a good job running things, I hope you vote them into power"

What I do for a living is really irrelavant.

I took the liberty of reposting some of your phrases you use to display how crass you come off as. But, I'm sure you don't care. And frankly, maybe it would be better if people such as yourself who point fingers, manufacture 'facts' to suite their arguments and accusations, and put people down to prove their points, move south of the border. I'm sure you would enjoy it much better down there being around many of your own kind.

First off, a Toronto city councillor's wage at this given time is: $ 99,619.52. this is 2011, not 10 years ago, when it was likely less. Keep in mind, take-home-pay for this salary is going to be around 50 grand after deductions. Not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Secondly, for most of Mr. Laytons carreer prior to politics, he was an activist, and also had a teaching job at the university at times. Both jobs are certainly not high paying, and I would question if he made any money at all as an activist.

Thirdly. even if you are living in government subsidized housing, you must report your income monthly, and it is based on your monthly income vs the amount of dependants you have that your subsidy is calculated. Someone like Mr. Layton, newly elected would obviously not be paid any subsidy, but that's not to say prior to winning office he could afford to live in the Toronto area without subsidy being an activist, and a part-time teacher. You assume he was rich and made hundreds of thousands of dollars... doing what?

And finally, last point. I happen to live in Manitoba, where the NDP has governed for well over 10 years. In the past 10 years, Manitoba has enjoyed its most prosperous economic times. The government has delivered balanced budgets during boom periods, saved our asses this year due to the work they did expanding the floodway, and done what was needed during the last recession so that we grew even through the past three years of economic upheval. The NDP had taken over from the Tories, and Gary Filmon, during that peroid things were in such rough shape, healthcare was in dissaray, Nurses were layed off in droves, the goverment was forcing it's workers to take off fridays without pay, Hell not completely related, but the Jets left. Things have dramatically improved since then of course and the Jets are back (but of course not really realitive you could argue).

So to use the words "pathetically innaccurate, and unbelieveably naive" please look in the mirror.

And, I didn't vote for the NDP when they won office either, but their actions have certainly spoken loudly here in Manitoba over the past 10 years.

[St]

R.I.P Jack.

Now time to lock this thread gone way off.

[Andre Gregoire]

R.I.P Jack.

Now time to lock this thread gone way off.

100% agree. There should be no political or religious talks on BB boards, it leads to nowhere.

[cog]

Allowing this discussion is what makes this board unique.People have to just relax and try to see things as they really are,instead of just repeating extreme right wing propaganda,the extreme right has lost it's moral authority.Peace man.

[natenator]

100% agree. There should be no political or religious talks on BB boards, it lead to nowhere.

Dont participate if you don't like it. I prefer it as it lets me know this community is more than a bunch of meatheads.

[RagingRandy]

Allowing this discussion is what makes this board unique.People have to just relax and try to see things as they really are,instead of just repeating extreme right wing propaganda,the extreme right has lost it's moral authority.Peace man.

Oh that's right.....I forgot the left has a monopoly on morality and the truth.

[Andre Gregoire]

Dont participate if you don't like it. I prefer it as it lets me know this community is more than a bunch of meatheads.

I just think that this post was started to signal a man's death, I would have expected comments like RIP, instead of slams tearing the man down.

Some of these posts actually confirm that several of our members are NOT more than a bunch of meatheads. I am not referring to you, by the way.

[cog]

Oh that's right.....I forgot the left has a monopoly on morality and the truth.

They have no monopoly whatsoever Randy,I study history,there is no end of the stories of lives ruined and thrown away ...I know a Ukrainian man that was born in a gulag near the Arctic coast,one fine day his parents and every single person in the village was given 30 mins to pack their bags....

[#8]

What I do for a living is really irrelavant.

I took the liberty of reposting some of your phrases you use to display how crass you come off as. But, I'm sure you don't care. And frankly, maybe it would be better if people such as yourself who point fingers, manufacture 'facts' to suite their arguments and accusations, and put people down to prove their points, move south of the border. I'm sure you would enjoy it much better down there being around many of your own kind.

First off, a Toronto city councillor's wage at this given time is: $ 99,619.52. this is 2011, not 10 years ago, when it was likely less. Keep in mind, take-home-pay for this salary is going to be around 50 grand after deductions. Not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Secondly, for most of Mr. Laytons carreer prior to politics, he was an activist, and also had a teaching job at the university at times. Both jobs are certainly not high paying, and I would question if he made any money at all as an activist.

Thirdly. even if you are living in government subsidized housing, you must report your income monthly, and it is based on your monthly income vs the amount of dependants you have that your subsidy is calculated. Someone like Mr. Layton, newly elected would obviously not be paid any subsidy, but that's not to say prior to winning office he could afford to live in the Toronto area without subsidy being an activist, and a part-time teacher. You assume he was rich and made hundreds of thousands of dollars... doing what?

And finally, last point. I happen to live in Manitoba, where the NDP has governed for well over 10 years. In the past 10 years, Manitoba has enjoyed its most prosperous economic times. The government has delivered balanced budgets during boom periods, saved our asses this year due to the work they did expanding the floodway, and done what was needed during the last recession so that we grew even through the past three years of economic upheval. The NDP had taken over from the Tories, and Gary Filmon, during that peroid things were in such rough shape, healthcare was in dissaray, Nurses were layed off in droves, the goverment was forcing it's workers to take off fridays without pay, Hell not completely related, but the Jets left. Things have dramatically improved since then of course and the Jets are back (but of course not really realitive you could argue).

So to use the words "pathetically innaccurate, and unbelieveably naive" please look in the mirror.

And, I didn't vote for the NDP when they won office either, but their actions have certainly spoken loudly here in Manitoba over the past 10 years.

Your opinions and lack of common sense wreak of NDP. Its uninformed, tax lovers like yourselves that bring everybody else down to ensure that every good for nothing bum leach gets his share as well. Last time I checked 2 $99K salaries equals almost $200k annually. Is your math THAT bad that you had to point that out to me and you still didnt understand it? Layton and his wife were milking the system while he rode his bike to work claiming to be eco friendly as his limo couriered his briefcase and additional paperwork to his office. Pretty productive dont you think?

I cannot continue talking to you because you probably belong to a union and you believe that every useless Canadian deserves a high paying job. Im pretty sure a $99k salary puts you in the top 4-5% of Canadian income earners. He definitely deserved government housing for sure with that shitty salary. I cant even imagine how he makes ends meet.

As usual, the political discussions on here are a lost cause. You are missing the point of everything that I am saying in hopes of making Layton look like a productive member of govvernment. I will never agree with you and frankly you deserve an NDP government. If only Harper would tackle the REALLY important issues like heavily taxing all money making corporations so they move their business elsewhere, and de-criminalizing dope so we can finally smoke weed wherever we want. If only Layton had been elected.

Saddies.

[LonelyBedouin]

Im just saying this, you keep referring to him living in government funded housing. That was 20 years ago and he lived in it for two years.

I believe it was 1985 that he was living in government funded housing, and albeit their net income was 120k (80k lower then what you think). And they only started making 120k after they had been living there for two years, when they did start making that much they started donating money to the place they lived for other tenants rent. After the two years and making 120k they bought a house. So I doubt they had a limo in the early 90's to drive their papers to work. But hey I could be wrong I dont know them personally nor have I read otherwise.

[dan1977]

Your opinions and lack of common sense wreak of NDP. Its uninformed, tax lovers like yourselves that bring everybody else down to ensure that every good for nothing bum leach gets his share as well. Last time I checked 2 $99K salaries equals almost $200k annually. Is your math THAT bad that you had to point that out to me and you still didnt understand it? Layton and his wife were milking the system while he rode his bike to work claiming to be eco friendly as his limo couriered his briefcase and additional paperwork to his office. Pretty productive dont you think?

I cannot continue talking to you because you probably belong to a union and you believe that every useless Canadian deserves a high paying job. Im pretty sure a $99k salary puts you in the top 4-5% of Canadian income earners. He definitely deserved government housing for sure with that shitty salary. I cant even imagine how he makes ends meet.

As usual, the political discussions on here are a lost cause. You are missing the point of everything that I am saying in hopes of making Layton look like a productive member of govvernment. I will never agree with you and frankly you deserve an NDP government. If only Harper would tackle the REALLY important issues like heavily taxing all money making corporations so they move their business elsewhere, and de-criminalizing dope so we can finally smoke weed wherever we want. If only Layton had been elected.

Saddies.

"By 1990, their combined annual income was $120,000, and in March of that year they began voluntarily paying an additional $325 per month to offset their share of the co-op's Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation subsidy, the only members of the co-op to do so."
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Layton

Dude, that doesn't sound like a dirtbag to me. Why the f*ck would he moved anyways? Would you? There's two sides to every stories and the fact is, media such as the Toronto Star ain't giving the public an objective view. They all favor one political party. It's up to us, regular citizens to see further than the propaganda. You have the right to have your opinions (which sounds really radical IMO) but others can have their own and that's alright. That's what makes politics interesting, all parties have somthing positive to contribute but in the end you choose what best fits you. The man had a PHD in political science, his and dad and grand-father were in politics, I would think the man had something positive to bring to the table.

I will admit that Conservatives have been doing extremelly well during these hard ecomic times but it ain't all pretty. Federal government is taking a major hit. In example, Conservatives went ahead and created a new agency called Shared Services Canada. So basically, everyone working in it (Networking, Data Centres and emails) are to be transferred to this new Agency, under the PWGSC umbrella. Shit, no one was consulted before they announced that, not even the union. That's probably the first step to privatising the public service IT services which will equate to more money for the Big IT companies, which are already getting major tax breaks. You really think it's going to be cheaper in the end for the citizens?People have to look under that nice glazed coating. Shared Services initiatives have been known to fail miserably...

Anyways, sorry this thread took a wrong tangent, just wanted to pay respect for someone who dedicated his life for something he believed in and that's to the last day of his life.

[Prisoner#22]

Your opinions and lack of common sense wreak of NDP. Its uninformed, tax lovers like yourselves that bring everybody else down to ensure that every good for nothing bum leach gets his share as well. Last time I checked 2 $99K salaries equals almost $200k annually. Is your math THAT bad that you had to point that out to me and you still didnt understand it? Layton and his wife were milking the system while he rode his bike to work claiming to be eco friendly as his limo couriered his briefcase and additional paperwork to his office. Pretty productive dont you think?

I cannot continue talking to you because you probably belong to a union and you believe that every useless Canadian deserves a high paying job. Im pretty sure a $99k salary puts you in the top 4-5% of Canadian income earners. He definitely deserved government housing for sure with that shitty salary. I cant even imagine how he makes ends meet.

As usual, the political discussions on here are a lost cause. You are missing the point of everything that I am saying in hopes of making Layton look like a productive member of govvernment. I will never agree with you and frankly you deserve an NDP government. If only Harper would tackle the REALLY important issues like heavily taxing all money making corporations so they move their business elsewhere, and de-criminalizing dope so we can finally smoke weed wherever we want. If only Layton had been elected.

Saddies.

You are entitled to your opinions, sir. You may however want to read what you have written more closely. Useless Canadian? That's not very patriotic. Today Millions of 'useless Canadians' as you would call them mourned the passing of a great man.

You strike me as being very American, right-winged. Maybe you should pursue a citizenship down there, because you certainly don't seem to want to have anything to do with us 'useless canadians' up here.

[natenator]

Im curious to hear what your life experience is, both professionally and personally.

You tend to write like someone who's read the experience of others instead of experiencing life through your own reality.




Your opinions and lack of common sense wreak of NDP. Its uninformed, tax lovers like yourselves that bring everybody else down to ensure that every good for nothing bum leach gets his share as well. Last time I checked 2 $99K salaries equals almost $200k annually. Is your math THAT bad that you had to point that out to me and you still didnt understand it? Layton and his wife were milking the system while he rode his bike to work claiming to be eco friendly as his limo couriered his briefcase and additional paperwork to his office. Pretty productive dont you think?

I cannot continue talking to you because you probably belong to a union and you believe that every useless Canadian deserves a high paying job. Im pretty sure a $99k salary puts you in the top 4-5% of Canadian income earners. He definitely deserved government housing for sure with that shitty salary. I cant even imagine how he makes ends meet.

As usual, the political discussions on here are a lost cause. You are missing the point of everything that I am saying in hopes of making Layton look like a productive member of govvernment. I will never agree with you and frankly you deserve an NDP government. If only Harper would tackle the REALLY important issues like heavily taxing all money making corporations so they move their business elsewhere, and de-criminalizing dope so we can finally smoke weed wherever we want. If only Layton had been elected.

Saddies.

[cog]

Apparently Layton found an hour a day for the gym.

[rob66679]

thank you....it's always baffled me how he can sport that avi yet have a completely contradictory position with all his opinions on every issue.....always saying the politicaly correct "lets all hold hands and love one another" BS while using that avi.

Contradictory.... Really?

You want to back that up with something?

[rob66679]

Ponder that your avi is of one the the most brutal murderers this world has ever known. People who prop up Che as some kind of hero are the most disillusion I have met. Before you go off on a rant of the "freedom fighter" please note, I am well acquainted with Cuba as may wife is Cuban. I know people that fought with Che and Castro and regret it to this day. Some of these same people fought in places like Angola as "freedom fighters". When they are willing to talk they can share nothing but the horrors these leaders asked them to perform. No trials. no questions asked when a bullet in the head would suffice. One man put it quite plainly when I asked what drew him in. He told me it was easy to tell a poor farmer he could have a better life. Castro and the likes of Che used poor uneducated men to do their bidding. When they got what they wanted they disposed of them like you would garbage.

The thing that I do understand is that at least in some some respect they believed that what they were doing was right. Just because you are sincere does not mean anything. Being sincerely wrong is still wrong and will cause harm regardless of serenity.

Also note your avatar is as offensive to an educated person as Hitler is to a Jew.

Once upon a time, a long long time ago, there was a similar thread with some familar tones, in which I jokeingly called myself the resident communist of this board.
It got under the skin of the resident Redneck shitdisturber so much ( who everybody remembers but i won't mention ) that I chose a Che Avatar..... Up until that point I didn't have one, even though I was probably a member for a year or so..... And I'm so lazy I haven't changed it yet.
My point is don't read to much into it, because I don't.

If you want to discuss Cuban politics or attack me, or share your point of view re. Che ( because their is 2 sides, not just the opinions of exiled Cubans ) then start a thread.

And if you don't like it, I really don't care either lol... It was satire... maybe I'll throw a Pol Pot avatar up next.

[rob66679]

LOL. Exactly. I didnt want to bring this up as it strayed from the convo, but well said dude. Putting up pics of known political icons doesnt make you in the know, it just makes you a dbag.

Is that really where this conversation is at, calling people names?

There are a lot of guys on here trying to make intelligent responses to what your posting up, and instead of directly responding to what they are saying your either going off in a different direction or making personal attacks.

So if you know half of what you think you do, try rebutting something being put in front of you...... Honestly dude nate & 22 are throwing lot of stuff up, and your not responding at all.

[#8]

I am writing facts about Layton that make him much less than the martyr he is being portrayed to be. Im so sick of the media and every other outlet making him out to be such a good guy. IN MY OPINION he is no better than McGuinty or Mulroney. Given the chance, elected into power, he would absolutely cripple this country financially. I pay VERY close attention to the political spectrum in Canada and despite what anyone wants to believe, he sold out to Quebec and offered them easier separation. Guess what, thats how he swept Quebec. Its that black and white, there is no other explanation for them winning those seats. As far as Im concerned that is treasonous behaviour and shows no integrity or respect for the rest of Canadians. He didnt deserve to die that early but I could care less. Im allowed to think this no?

As far as my life experience I have grown up in a lower middle class family and lived through some pretty harsh struggles brought on by the socialist bullshit both federally and provincially. I am clearly a conservative and I value hard work and sacrifice to EARN success, not to ask for handouts and to tax people and businesses to death until nobody has any money left to spend. As for moving to the US, I would love to do that. It wouldnt suck at all to live in Hawaii and have a decent paying job. Bring on the US bashing because thats the trendy thing to do right? It seems to me that its "cool" to hop on the I hate America bandwagon and slander them until the cows come home. Every successful nation in world history has trampled others on their way to the top, they are no better or worse than any other country seeking their rise to the top. I choose to respect their accomplishments rather than make blanket statements about the citizens or their politics. I am far from being a right winged republican as the Conservative party in this country much more closely mimics the ideals of the democrats down south than that of the republican party. Layton would have crippled this country had he been elected, to believe anything else is quite foolish and naive in my opinion. He clearly doesnt care about the average Joe as he will sell out to the separatists in hopes of vote swinging. Pretty Martyr-tastic eh?

I repeat my previous question. If McGuinty or Mulroney died would it be so heartbreaking for Canadians?

[RagingRandy]

Once upon a time, a long long time ago, there was a similar thread with some familar tones, in which I jokeingly called myself the resident communist of this board.
It got under the skin of the resident Redneck shitdisturber so much ( who everybody remembers but i won't mention ) that I chose a Che Avatar..... Up until that point I didn't have one, even though I was probably a member for a year or so..... And I'm so lazy I haven't changed it yet.
My point is don't read to much into it, because I don't.

If you want to discuss Cuban politics or attack me, or share your point of view re. Che ( because their is 2 sides, not just the opinions of exiled Cubans ) then start a thread.

And if you don't like it, I really don't care either lol... It was satire... maybe I'll throw a Pol Pot avatar up next.

I was not attacking. It was simply an observation. As for the Cuban's they are not exiles but still residents of Cuba.

For someone who seems to not care what others think you sure spend lots of ink defending your point of view.

Yes Pol Pot would be a good follow-up as they had the same mentality.

[RagingRandy]

If McGuinty or Mulroney died would it be so heartbreaking for Canadians?

Canadians have very short memories. Trudeau who left politics with an approval rating of about 10% is now thought of one of Canada's greatest leaders. The masses are drawn to personality not policy.

[#8]

^^ exactly. 100% agree. Trudeau was one of the biggest mistakes in Canadian history. Multiculturalism? MASSIVE FAILURE.

Im just sick of Laytons death being milked as a political campaign by the NDP to gain support. They are the biggest scumbags on the planet that party and I will never have any respect for any of them.

[rob66679]

I was not attacking. It was simply an observation. As for the Cuban's they are not exiles but still residents of Cuba.

For someone who seems to not care what others think you sure spend lots of ink defending your point of view.

Yes Pol Pot would be a good follow-up as they had the same mentality.

I don't see it as defending my point of view as much as having an interesting discussion with people who have different and sometimes opposing views, we're all friends here.

You could very well be right about Che, the extent of my knowledge is watching the Motorcycle Diaries.

[rob66679]

I am writing facts about Layton that make him much less than the martyr he is being portrayed to be. Im so sick of the media and every other outlet making him out to be such a good guy. IN MY OPINION he is no better than McGuinty or Mulroney. Given the chance, elected into power, he would absolutely cripple this country financially. I pay VERY close attention to the political spectrum in Canada and despite what anyone wants to believe, he sold out to Quebec and offered them easier separation. Guess what, thats how he swept Quebec. Its that black and white, there is no other explanation for them winning those seats. As far as Im concerned that is treasonous behaviour and shows no integrity or respect for the rest of Canadians. He didnt deserve to die that early but I could care less. Im allowed to think this no?

As far as my life experience I have grown up in a lower middle class family and lived through some pretty harsh struggles brought on by the socialist bullshit both federally and provincially. I am clearly a conservative and I value hard work and sacrifice to EARN success, not to ask for handouts and to tax people and businesses to death until nobody has any money left to spend. As for moving to the US, I would love to do that. It wouldnt suck at all to live in Hawaii and have a decent paying job. Bring on the US bashing because thats the trendy thing to do right? It seems to me that its "cool" to hop on the I hate America bandwagon and slander them until the cows come home. Every successful nation in world history has trampled others on their way to the top, they are no better or worse than any other country seeking their rise to the top. I choose to respect their accomplishments rather than make blanket statements about the citizens or their politics. I am far from being a right winged republican as the Conservative party in this country much more closely mimics the ideals of the democrats down south than that of the republican party. Layton would have crippled this country had he been elected, to believe anything else is quite foolish and naive in my opinion. He clearly doesnt care about the average Joe as he will sell out to the separatists in hopes of vote swinging. Pretty Martyr-tastic eh?

I repeat my previous question. If McGuinty or Mulroney died would it be so heartbreaking for Canadians?

If they had died at their Political peak before they had a chance to screw up then yes, probably.

No matter who it is though, its highly inappropriate to critique somebody ( almost anybody ) after they just died in a way that some did..... You have every right to believe as you want to, and vote as you want to, and even compare the recently deceased to hitler like some guys on here did.... Its Part of what makes Canada great..... Doesn't mean your taking the high road though.

There is no more Southern Democratic Party , it has been replaced entirely by the Republican Party...... How many blue states were there in 08 South of the Mason/Dixon? I bet a lot of Conservatives here would probably be a little nervous about making that comparison... We're talking the Jim Crow laws, People like McGovern....... I guess you see Trudeau's biggest failure as Multiculturism though, so I guess the Southern Democratic Ideals were not so far out of line with that?
I think we're getting more to the point here now.

So what do you think of Multiculturism? Does it work? What would you like to see instead?
Just how far right do you see yourself as being?

[#8]

Im to the right of the middle but I am in favour of gay marriage and abortion, and also believe the public schools should be secular. Im not THAT right wing.

To believe multiculturalism has failed is simply relatable to statistics. I could rhyme off dozens of stats including a public opinion poll as recent as last week in which 72% of Canadians believe we are letting in too many immigrants into this country (but more specifically east asian immigrants with little no skills or language comprehension).

Is this a right wing view or simply a majority opinion? I guess most of Canada is a biggot then right?

Both Britain and Germany have already declared multiculturalism a massive failure on their part, we have accomplished the same but will never admit to it. Trudeau was guilty of many shitty misdoings, I just consider multiculturalism to be his most prominent. I wake up every day and thank god that Harper won that election. Imagine Ignatief or Layton had? We'd be ****ed.

As for his recent passing and commenting on him I think all is fair in politics. If you want to live off the public dime then it is in no means bad taste to talk about you at any moment in my opinion.

I reiterate. He was not an evil man, but he was far from the saint he is being portrayed to be. Its utterly pathetic how the NDP are using his death as a way to swing sympathy and rally their party with free publicity. That is far more classless and ****ed up than anything I have said or done.

[bcaamuscle]

Im to the right of the middle but I am in favour of gay marriage and abortion, and also believe the public schools should be secular. Im not THAT right wing.

To believe multiculturalism has failed is simply relatable to statistics. I could rhyme off dozens of stats including a public opinion poll as recent as last week in which 72% of Canadians believe we are letting in too many immigrants into this country (but more specifically east asian immigrants with little no skills or language comprehension).

Is this a right wing view or simply a majority opinion? I guess most of Canada is a biggot then right?

Both Britain and Germany have already declared multiculturalism a massive failure on their part, we have accomplished the same but will never admit to it. Trudeau was guilty of many shitty misdoings, I just consider multiculturalism to be his most prominent. I wake up every day and thank god that Harper won that election. Imagine Ignatief or Layton had? We'd be ****ed.

As for his recent passing and commenting on him I think all is fair in politics. If you want to live off the public dime then it is in no means bad taste to talk about you at any moment in my opinion.

I reiterate. He was not an evil man, but he was far from the saint he is being portrayed to be. Its utterly pathetic how the NDP are using his death as a way to swing sympathy and rally their party with free publicity. That is far more classless and ****ed up than anything I have said or done.

I am ok with Harper reducing the influx of east asian immigrants. Many canadians feel the same way I'm sure, just ask anyone from BC.

[JMP]

Soooo when you say East Asian ....you mean ? Im from BC ....

[cog]

This thread just went sideways.

[warlock]

This thread just went sideways.
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