2011 CBBF Bikini, Figure and Fitness and Elite Bodybuilding Championships Results

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Date: July 23, 2011
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

Men Elite Bodybuilding Overall - Patrick Bernard (Pro Card)
Bikini Masters Overall - Sandy Avelar (Pro Card)
Figure Masters Overall - Tracey MacDonald (Pro Card)
Fitness Overall - Vanda Hadarean (Pro Card)
Bikini Overall - Véronique Morin (Pro Card)
Additional Bikini Pro Card - Ashley Harbour (Pro Card)
Figure Overall - Chelsie Gunderson (Pro Card)
Additional Figure Pro Card - Carey Kastner (Pro Card)
Best Routine - Vanda Hadarean

Men Elite 202lbs
1 - Patrick Bernard (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?14720-Patrick-Bernard) - QC - 5
2 - Steven Burns - SK - 12
3 - Larry Vinette - QC - 13

Men Elite Open
1 - Mark Richman - ON - 5

Fitness Short
1 - Vanda Hadarean - ON - 20
2 - Catherine Levasseur - QC - 27
3 - Shelly Paton - MB - 33
4 - Debi Bartlett - BC - 41
5 - Amanda Woods - MB - 44
6 - Linda Cusmano - BC - 57
7 - Joyce Wiedeman - MB - 64
8 - Anastasia Powell - AB - 83
9 - Sheena MacLeod - SK - 84
10 - Mary Walter - AB - 99

Fitness Tall
1 - Danielle Ruban - ON - 12
2 - Fiona Harris - ON - 40
3 - Myriam Tremblay - QC - 48
4 - Kim Scoffins - BC - 49
5 - Trish Lavender - BC - 55
6 - Kira Forster - AB - 68
7 - Marla Grant - AB - 81
8 - Sharla Cowling - MB - 81
9 - Renee Berard - BC - 81
10 - Noelannah Neubauer - AB - 90
11 - Kimberley Bell - MB - 92
12 - Cindy Jones - AB - 98
13 - Lylas Leona (Poulton) - MB - 114

Bikini Masters up to 5'4
1 - Ivonne Eggleston - MB - 7
2 - Amanda Mandley - AB - 8
3 - Tammy Rosiek - BC - 15
4 - Amanda Diep - AB - 20

Bikini Masters 5'4 to 5'6
1 - Sandy Avelar (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?21555-Sandy-Avelar-Canadian-Female-IFBB-Pro) - BC - 6
2 - Cindy Van Empel-Popowich - ON - 9

Bikini Masters over 5'6
1 - Michelle Fiske - SK - 5

Bikini up to 5'2
1 - Karen Pang (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?16102-Karen-Pang)- BC - 11
2 - Amanda Mandley - AB - 12
3 - Ivonne Eggleston - MB - 16
4 - Allison Lynds (Anaka) - NS - 19
5 - Ying Tan - SK - 23
6 - Shannon Pineau - PEI - 24
7 - Stephanie Bauman - AB - 41
8 - Terry-Lynn Minish - SK - 43
9 - Catherine Norris - AB - 44
10 - Sherry Lien - AB - 47
11 - Reem Kaiss - AB - 51
12 - Tanya Bossel - AB - 57

Bikini 5'2 to 5'4
1 - Ashley Harbour - AB - 5
2 - Amanda Lee - MB - 15
3 - Laura Shearer - NS - 16
4 - Martine Gauthier - QC - 20
5 - Cynthia Benoit - QC - 22
6 - Hanan Arabatlian - BC - 27
7 - Taya Day - ON - 38
8 - Angela Dove - NL - 39
9 - Tina Ellis - AB - 42
10 - Ashley Kushnir - MB - 46
11 - Tracy Rippel - BC - 57
12 - Ashley-Lynne Harrison - ON - 60 (Ashley Corrine-Harrison)
13 - Stephanie Winters - NS - 63
14 - Natalie Palmer - ON - 66
15 - Kayla Tait - SK - 75
16 - Amanda Diep - AB - 84

Bikini 5'4 to 5'6
1 - Simone Sinclaire - ON - 9
2 - Carrie Hensman - AB - 11
3 - Aylar Fetrati - QC - 16
4 - Katelyn Boucher - NS - 17
5 - Kristina McIntosh - AB - 22
6 - Lindsay Greba - SK - 34
7 - Jenna Hirsch - AB - 36
8 - Emily Adams - AB - 37
9 - Holly Barker - SK - 42

Bikini over 5'6
1 - Véronique Morin (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?19820-Veronique-Morin) - QC - 6
2 - Chelsea Yellowbird - AB - 13
3 - Kristin Hopper - BC - 14
4 - Danielle Fisher - SK - 16
5 - Amanda Kotel - ON - 21
6 - Kerri Keller - AB - 39
7 - Lindsey Nikiforuk - AB - 39
8 - Eva Safar - ON - 41
9 - Amanda Lakusta - AB - 41
10 - Michelle Fiske - SK - 45
11 - Kim Meroniuk - AB - 49

Figure Masters up to 5'4
1 - Tracey MacDonald (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?14014-Tracey-MacDonald) - NS - 9
2 - Timea Csotonyi - ON - 11
3 - Nicole Jackson - BC - 15
4 - Dianne Wolff - BC - 19
5 - Marcella Cameron - AB - 21
6 - Terra Taylor - AB - 36
7 - Pascale Lariviere - QC - 37
8 - Shelley Verdenhalven - AB - 43
9 - Rita Ghosh - MB - 46
10 - Shannon Cameron - AB - 48
11 - Nicole Ruttig - SK - 50
12 - Shannon Merrill - AB - 56

Figure Masters 5'4 to 5'6
1 - Maria Sharp - BC - 9
2 - Kimberley Stefanski - BC - 10
3 - Francisca Dennis - ON - 16
4 - Meni Moskowski - ON - 21
5 - Lisa Coupar - BC - 25
6 - Kelly Henderson - SK - 30
7 - Carla Smith - SK - 37
8 - Krista Cowie - BC - 39
9 - Tammie Teneycke - SK - 40
10 - Denise Farrell - ON - 48
11 - Kim MacLean - AB - 56
12 - Bobbi Stewart - SK - 60
13 - Terry Hinds - AB - 64

Figure Masters over 5'6
1 - Christine Chou - BC - 5
2 - Jennifer Flontek (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?15987-Jennifer-Flontek) - AB - 9
3 - Oriana Kononchuk - AB - 14

Figure Up To 5'1
1 - Brittany Melnyk - AB - 8
2 - Sarah McNaughton - ON - 10
3 - Mary Carriedo - AB - 19
4 - Dianne Wolff - BC - 20
5 - Janelle Garon - NS - 24
6 - Marcella Cameron - AB - 29
7 - Shelley Verdenhalven - AB - 36
8 - Pascale Lariviere - QC - 39

Figure 5'1 to 5'2.5
1 - Carey Kastner - ON - 7
2 - ‎Jennifer Kaye - ON - 14
3 - Sarah Cavacece - ON - 20
4 - Stefanie Richard - QC - 21
5 - Vanessa Pipoli - ON - 23
6 - Lisa Dufresne - AB - 27
7 - Tracey MacDonald - NS - 33
8 - Marie Robertson - SK - 39
9 - Samantha Thorpe - PEI - 44
10 - Jayme Galloway - MB - 49
11 - Shannon Merrill - AB - 58
12 - Tish Szkabarnicki - ON - 63
13 - Lisa Karn - ON - 65
14 - Maria Lalous - QC - 69
15 - Jennifer Gaze - AB - 70
16 - Terra Taylor - AB - 90
16 - Nicole Ruttig - SK - 90

Figure 5'2.5 - 5'4
1 - Melanie Oberg (Cheang) - SK - 5
2 - Timea Csotonyi- ON - 13
3 - Breanne Seward - BC - 17
4 - Sharmila Regala - ON - 19
5 - Jill Koot - SK - 23
6 - Rita Ghosh - MB - 28

Figure 5'4 - 5'5.5
1 - Holly Raban - MB - 9
2 - Tamara Beckers - ON - 13
3 - Jennifer Fleiger - AB - 13
4 - Francisca Dennis - ON - 21
5 - Jacqi Kirk - AB - 23
6 - Aurelie K. Sefi - QC - 26
7 - Melanie Falvo - MB - 40
8 - Melanie Dandeneau - MB - 43
9 - Meni Moskowski - ON - 44
10 - Rachel Davis - ON - 48
11 - Autumn Barta - SK - 53
12 - Kailash Persaud - ON - 63
13 - Myriam Cantin - QC - 64
14 - Tammie Teneycke - SK - 66
15 - Melissa Leier - SK - 75
16 - Bobbi Stewart - SK - 79

Figure 5'5.5 - 5'7
1 - Chelsie Gunderson - BC - 7
2 - Maria Sharp - BC - 12
3 - Valerie Richman - ON - 18
4 - Lisa Coupar- BC - 18
5 - Kimberley Stefanski - BC - 21
6 - Kelly Henderson - SK - 34
7 - Denise Farrell - ON - 35
8 - Krista Cowie - BC - 39
9 - Jacqueline Montain - AB - 41
10 - Tracey Rice - AB - 50

Figure Over 5'7
1 - Michelle Krack - BC - 8
2 - Emily Zelinka - ON - 11
3 - Lindsay Orange - AB - 12
4 - Jennifer Flontek - AB - 22
5 - Elissa Molino - ON - 24
6 - Christine Chou - BC - 28
7 - Oriana Kononchuk - AB - 35

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[loutfi]

Hi Musulphreak is there some one from CBB to keep us updated about what is going on there !! ??
We want pics, infos, what's happen !! I would love to do this event but ... they give us the information really to late.
Good luck to all competitors !

[loutfi]

Any news from Jerome Bravo ?? If he competes, in shape ... he can take the pro card.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Hi Musulphreak is there some one from CBB to keep us updated about what is going on there !! ??
We want pics, infos, what's happen !! I would love to do this event but ... they give us the information really to late.
Good luck to all competitors !

Not many on the women side post on CBB so we don't have anyone to update us from the members. The Elite division is very small. I made a note in what you said. I knew that was going to be the case for many competitors.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Any news from Jerome Bravo ?? If he competes, in shape ... he can take the pro card.

No one confirmed he was there.

Here is a picture of Mark Richman from Facebook.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225750_10150244412561795_501346794_7528734_1689675 _n.jpg

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Fitness 1st Callout
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283836_10150244336521795_501346794_7527712_4731477 _n.jpg

Fitness 2nd Callout
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/263371_10150244338321795_501346794_7527720_6733529 _n.jpg

Figure Tall 1st Callout
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/264271_10150244539096795_501346794_7530045_7887917 _n.jpg

[loutfi]

Mark seems less big than usual, but he looks in very good shape, leg cut and striated.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Elite Bodybuilder's
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228810_10150270008409341_504809340_7324387_610261_ n.jpg

[JonnyO]

Are they actually going to give out pro cards for mens BB? Because thats what it will be is giving them out for this show with next to no mens BB. Its sad.

[loutfi]

Prejudjing is over and still no more pics or news ... I think finals are begining now.

[fitbody]

lots of pix up on David Aboody's facebook
here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150239362351557.324743.596421556&type=1

[mattarama]

What's going on now? Is it finals now? Does anyone know who's left?

[fitbody]

What's going on now? Is it finals now? Does anyone know who's left?

figure masters

BC Athlete Maria Sharp just won her class in Masters Med
BC Athlete Nicole Jackson was 3rd in Masters Short

i'm gettin stuff off a bunch of different facebook pages lol

[SupermanAramini]

MB Athlete: Ivonne Eggleston wins Masters Bikini Short
Sandy Avelar wins Masters Bikini Overall

[fitbody]

BC Athlete Sandy Avelar just won her pro card in Master Bikini !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mattarama]

BC Athlete Sandy Avelar just won her pro card in Master Bikini !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations Sandy Avelar!

[dawnsko]

Tracey Mac Donald wins figure masters overall!! Pro card. :)

I'm a proud sister!

[mattarama]

Congratulations. any pictures?

[fitbody]

Tracey Mac Donald wins figure masters overall!! Pro card. :)

I'm a proud sister!

COOL congrats
post some pix


Congratulations. any pictures?

see post 11 for David Aboody's pix from this am
he'll post lots more so keep an eye out

[mattarama]

alright I'll keep on checking out his facebook to see new pictures!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Tracey Mac Donald wins figure masters overall!! Pro card. :)

I'm a proud sister!

A big congrats to Tracey :)

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Updated the first post with what's been put up as overalls and pro cards.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Vanda Maria Hadarean wins fitness overall and new IFBB Pro. Big Congrats.

[fitbody]

Updated the first post with what's been put up as overalls and pro cards.

arrgghh who's 1 & 2 for fitness short ?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Elite 202lbs and under winner
Patrick Bernard

[MuSuLPhReAk]

arrgghh who's 1 & 2 for fitness short ?

I'm looking...lol

[fitbody]

I'm looking...lol

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh all the suspense is killing me
my fingers are cramping from hitting keys so fast goin here there and everywhere trying to find out whatz happening

[mattarama]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh all the suspense is killing me
my fingers are cramping from hitting keys so fast goin here there and everywhere trying to find out whatz happening

someone you know in there?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

more placings up...elite's on now...

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Patrick bernard wins overall and new ifbb pro
Big Congrats Patrick.

[fitbody]

someone you know in there?

i'm talking about the entire Team BC i'm the BCABBA Vice President so i wanna know how everyones doing

[fitbody]

BC Athlete Christine Chou Masters Figure Tall Champ !

congrats GO BC

[mattarama]

Congrats to patrick.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Bikini Short
1 - Karen Pang
2 - Amanda Mandley
3 - Ivonne Eggleston

[fitbody]

BC ATHLETE KAREN PANG 1st place Champion Bikini Short WAY TA GO GIRL !!!!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW !!!!!!!!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Bikini Medium
1 - Ashley Harder
2 - Amanda Lee
3 - Laura Shearer

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Bikini Medium-Tall
1 - Simone Sinclaire
2 - Carrie Hensman

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Bikini Tall
1 - Véronique Morin
2 - Chelsea
3 - Kristen Hopper

[fitbody]

Team BC's Kristen Hopper 3rd place Champion Bikini Tall ~ congrats

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Véronique Morin new bikini IFBB Pro

[MuSuLPhReAk]

ADDITIONAL PRO CARD GIVEN.
Ashley Harder is now an IFBB Bikini Pro

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Figure Short
1 - Brittany Melny

Figure Medium
1 - Carey Kastner
2 - ‎Jennifer Gaze
3 - Sara Cavacece

[fitbody]

Team BC's Trish Lavender & Kim Scoffins top 5 in Fitness ~ congrats ladies

[fitbody]

Team BC's Breanne Seward 3rd place Champ Figure

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Figure overall about to happen. 2 Pro Cards are up for grabs!!!!

[fitbody]

Team BC's Chelsie Gunderson Champ Med Tall FIGURE
& Maria Sharp 2nd place Champion
WOW WAY TO GO GIRLS !!!!!!!!

[fitbody]

Team bc's michelle krack figure tall champion ~ way ta go !!!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Chelsie Gunderson wins figure overall and pro card!!!

[mattarama]

Chelsie Gunderson wins figure overall and pro card!!!

Congratulations to Chelsie Gunderson.

[fitbody]

Team BC's Debi Bartlett - 4th Fitness Short

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Carey Castner gets the additional pro card.

[fitbody]

TEAM BC'S Chelsie Gunderson wins figure overall and pro card!!!

[fitbody]

WOW WHAT A DAY FOR TEAM BC
a big big congrats to everyone

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Congrats to you and your team Dawn.
Also a big congrats to our new IFBB Pros. All 8 of them!!!!

[fitbody]

Congrats to you and your team Dawn.
Also a big congrats to our new IFBB Pros. All 8 of them!!!!

Team BC rocked it
as the BCABBA VICE PRESIDENT i'm very proud of our Team

[mattarama]

Does anyone know the other results of other men's bodybuilding? :confused:

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I believe Mark Richman was in first Elite Open as it was stated by Fusion, his sponsor, that he lost in the overall.

[mattarama]

okay, thanks.

[steve_d]

Wasn't there, but if it was close I can picture patrick winning based on the reasoning of he can compete as a pro whereas mark is not quite there. Patrick has proven himself at nationals a handful of times with a bunch of wins. I also heard mark had some weaknesses whereas patrick really looks phenomenal, so perhaps patrick truly looked better. Patrick deserves to be up there with the best in the world at under 202 because he can place at those types of shows. He is one if those guys who may never have gotten a card at the regular nationals either, so its good to see.

With all that said, I do feel bad for mark, because he probably was close on this one. Perhaps one day he'll get it at the regular nationals. But one thing I can guess if that they will never have this elite show down again.....4 competitorsis a flop if you ask me! No matter what the caliber.

[Delt King]

Patrick Bernard nwest IFBB pro. He's pretty effing awesome!

[Praetorian]

Wasn't there, but if it was close I can picture patrick winning based on the reasoning of he can compete as a pro whereas mark is not quite there. Patrick has proven himself at nationals a handful of times with a bunch of wins. I also heard mark had some weaknesses whereas patrick really looks phenomenal, so perhaps patrick truly looked better. Patrick deserves to be up there with the best in the world at under 202 because he can place at those types of shows. He is one if those guys who may never have gotten a card at the regular nationals either, so its good to see.

With all that said, I do feel bad for mark, because he probably was close on this one. Perhaps one day he'll get it at the regular nationals. But one thing I can guess if that they will never have this elite show down again.....4 competitorsis a flop if you ask me! No matter what the caliber.

Agreed...and you are correct Steve in that we probably wont see this show again.

Congrats to Patrick well deserved!

P

[JonnyO]

I talked to Lisa Coupar of Team BC she got top 5 in masters and open figure, she worked hard.

[Praetorian]

From MuscleInsider:

CBBF Nationals Fitness, Figure, Bikini and Elite:

MUSCLE INSIDER gives out a huge congratulations to the IFBB’s newest pros! We’re proud to introduce to you our newly crowned Canadian IFBB Pros:

Fitness - Vanda Hadarean (OPA)
Figure - Chelsie Gunderson (BCABBC) and Carey Kastner (OPA)
Bikini - Véronique Morin (APQ/QPA) and Ashley Harbour (ABBA)
Master Figure - Tracey Mac Donald (NSABBA)
Master Bikini – Sandy Avelar (BCABBA)
Men’s Elite Bodybuilding - Patrick Bernard (APQ/QPA)


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[fitbody]

I talked to Lisa Coupar of Team BC she got top 5 in masters and open figure, she worked hard.


congrats to BC Athlete Lisa Coupar for here top 5 placing in masters and open figure
i was just goin off all i could find off facebook, here and siouxcountry to find BC athletes placings lol
will correct lists later gettin ready for work lol

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Check the men conditioning from Glen E. Grant's pics
facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.358056729943.55639.16056569943&type=1

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Full Results are up!!

[Prisoner#22]

I talked with Mark (president) and he said the elite show will happen again.

Also most bodybuilders were stunned in the audience when Patrick won. Not taking anything away from either competitor because they both deserved cards, but Mark was noticabliy more dialed in then patrick, and though they were simmilar from the front and side poses with no man showing clear advantages, from behind Mark showed noticably better back developement. Thicker upper back, wider upperback. In my opinion patrick looked weak compared to mark in this area, and everybody I know is confused how patrick won, since shows are usually won or lost on the strength of a competitors back.

The justification that patrick would be more pro-ready than mark doesn't cut it, since they are moving the division next year to 212.

[Delt King]

i think it s great that they re having another one of these elite level shows. The problem with them though is that because the draw to compete in them is basically an IFBB pro card, those that don't think they have a chance at one won't compete at all. As opposed to say Nationals where a class win is more the motivation to compete or placing top five in order to stay nationally qualified is another motivation. Of course the elite class competitions will stay small but all those who choose to compete will be the countries best bodybuilders

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I talked with Mark (president) and he said the elite show will happen again.

Also most bodybuilders were stunned in the audience when Patrick won. Not taking anything away from either competitor because they both deserved cards, but Mark was noticabliy more dialed in then patrick, and though they were simmilar from the front and side poses with no man showing clear advantages, from behind Mark showed noticably better back developement. Thicker upper back, wider upperback. In my opinion patrick looked weak compared to mark in this area, and everybody I know is confused how patrick won, since shows are usually won or lost on the strength of a competitors back.

The justification that patrick would be more pro-ready than mark doesn't cut it, since they are moving the division next year to 212.

Hey P22, congrats to your wife on her placing. She looked great.

[loutfi]

Congrats to Patrick. I was not at the show and i have no pic of the guys one next the other.
I think it's because Patrick has better legs ... maybe i don't know.
Anyway sure Mark looked great, in condition, but smaller to usual from what i saw. I think he's got a better upped body.(again i saw only 2 pics of him)
Usually shows are won from the back ... not everytime, last year i had the best back in the contest and lost in the overall.
Again we need pics, to see what judges were looking for.

[Maria]

I'm sure the attendance of the Elite competition for the men will improve over time. Apparently, some of the guys chose not to do it because they weren't given enough notice for prep.

Usually the span between the fitness figure, bikini nationals isn't that far apart from bodybuilding Nationals so there may be more men in attendance next year if nationals are in their usual place, at the end of August rather then in October.

[LEAH]

Congrats to all the athletes! Was great to be a spectator and cheer on all the Alberta and other provinces! Deffinetly a long show and great turn-out, some interesting call-outs and results as always! Great to see everyone!

Leah

[steve_d]

I'm sure the attendance of the Elite competition for the men will improve over time. Apparently, some of the guys chose not to do it because they weren't given enough notice for prep.

Usually the span between the fitness figure, bikini nationals isn't that far apart from bodybuilding Nationals so there may be more men in attendance next year if nationals are in their usual place, at the end of August rather then in October.

I still question the point of having this show. Yes there would be more competitors had it been a week or two from nationals, but what is the difference of the show? Just that you have to have placed? Why not wait until nationals?....and then if its tip give more cards, then why not award one at nationals to the best under 202 and best over 202 there too?

The real reason is to bring more sponsors/interest in the figure nationals.i just don't think its the best way, and more of a random guess to do something different just for the fun of it....if they want to do something different, why not combine the nationals together on a weekend, make am expo out of it.thee would be just as much interest in that as the toronto pro show they had.

[Praetorian]

Steve you are correct...the only reason for the Elite show is to increase ticket sales...it draws an audience...figure, fitness and bikini does NOT...and year over year attendance is down...its the same reason they put the Masters Nationals in with the Fitness, Figure and Bikini in 2010.
P

[Prisoner#22]

Congrats to Patrick. I was not at the show and i have no pic of the guys one next the other.
I think it's because Patrick has better legs ... maybe i don't know.
Anyway sure Mark looked great, in condition, but smaller to usual from what i saw. I think he's got a better upped body.(again i saw only 2 pics of him)
Usually shows are won from the back ... not everytime, last year i had the best back in the contest and lost in the overall.
Again we need pics, to see what judges were looking for.

Too bad you didn't show up bro. We wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we? ;)

[Prisoner#22]

I still question the point of having this show. Yes there would be more competitors had it been a week or two from nationals, but what is the difference of the show? Just that you have to have placed? Why not wait until nationals?....and then if its tip give more cards, then why not award one at nationals to the best under 202 and best over 202 there too?

The real reason is to bring more sponsors/interest in the figure nationals.i just don't think its the best way, and more of a random guess to do something different just for the fun of it....if they want to do something different, why not combine the nationals together on a weekend, make am expo out of it.thee would be just as much interest in that as the toronto pro show they had.

Is there three, or 4 shows in the US each year where procards are handed out? I don't see what the problem is with having two shows here where cards are handed out... Heck of a lot more cards handed out per each of those national shows in the USA also, isnt there? just about every class winner gets one it seems

[steve_d]

Steve you are correct...the only reason for the Elite show is to increase ticket sales...it draws an audience...figure, fitness and bikini does NOT...and year over year attendance is down...its the same reason they put the Masters Nationals in with the Fitness, Figure and Bikini in 2010.
P

Yes, another totally random way of trying to 'fix' the problem. let's combine masters and junior bodybuilding - that will help. But again, another not too popular decision where guys who would have competed in multiple divisions had to go to two different provinces to compete (at least they weren't months apart). And now the elite showdown thing. Next they'll have a pushup & chinup contest with the figure/ bikini girls. I understand how it can help having the elite show - especially when the shows are close together. It just sucks for competitors having to do lots of travelling in order to compete back to back. And yeah, if there is a pro card at stake, sure, the really good ones who have a shot won't mind as much. But all they are doing is feeding off the bodybuilders who are likely already ripped and ready - kinda like using them as a 'guest poser' to draw a crowd. But my point is, if they are using them in that way, why not use them in the ultimate way and lump both shows together as they did at the pro supershow. Have some prejudging friday night for say figure and bikini, and then bodybuilding saturday, and finals at night (or something like that)...I think more people in canada would get excited for an event like that compared to a pro show in toronto sharing a provincial show.




Is there three, or 4 shows in the US each year where procards are handed out? I don't see what the problem is with having two shows here where cards are handed out... Heck of a lot more cards handed out per each of those national shows in the USA also, isnt there? just about every class winner gets one it seems

Ya, the only problem is the population in the states are 10 fold of here, so if we hand out 2 a year, they should be handing out 20 a year to even it out. In canada I think a good number would be 2 a year. 1 for an under 202 and 1 for an over 202... (or 212 as of november this year). And perhaps a master just because, although masters pro cards are another story. If you obtain a pro card as a master you should have to compete as a masters pro. I don't think its really fair that a 35 year old woman or 40 year old man can obtain a pro card and compete as a "non-masters" pro seeing as how those same individuals often fail to even place in top 3 or top 5 in the same show in the open class. Sure, if there is a division made for them as a pro "ex. masters figure, masters bikini, masters bodybuilding" etc...(which I think there is, but 99% of the card winners will simply ccompete as a pro, meanwhile the other canadians that beat them at the same event basically never get the card.

I've always associate being an IFBB pro as being beyond elite. As in, only the best of the best of the best will get it. When I see 4-5 figure girls getting it per year, and 3-4 bikini girls, it sort of loses its prestige. 10% of national level competitors end up turning pro every year! Bodybuilding is not as bad. I think its fine the way it is now, giving a couple per year. Adds way more prestige to it, not too mention it limits the number of people getting the card yet can't place in the top 15 at a pro show in their career. But the other events are starting to remind me of FAME/WNSO, where everyone is getting a 'pro status' behind their name. It also gives the idea to newcomers that "yep, I am going pro in a year or 2" and the silly part is, it is practically true!

Sorry for the negativity, I just really have respect for those that spend their entire lives chasing the pro card, and when they get it, it means that much more. Rather than handing it to the next 8 girls in line. Hopefully they keep it roughly the way it is. Next thing you know, the world qualifier men winner will be handed a card.

[razorsedge]

Great points Steve. First, like you say, run the show for 2 days like the Emerald Cup in Seattle and get the figure etc in all day Friday and the BB on Sat with the same type of fair etc for displays, sales etc over both days. if you are making a claim the show is "elite" ensure it is and the competitors fit that title.

As for the pro cards, when you start handing them out like jujubes, are they that "elite". We do have to remember that the BB pros are in a diff class than the other "athletes" and do compete at diff levels. I like how the BB cards are done in Canada through CBBA...check the other federations like WBFF and you see there are pros there and they can't even win their class at Provincials so that tells you how much credence to hang on those cards....as usual, you make some great points.

It will prob never be perfect but when there is something obviously "wrong" or "off", efforts should be made to fix it to ensure the future of the sport.

[Praetorian]

Congrats to Patrick. I was not at the show and i have no pic of the guys one next the other.
I think it's because Patrick has better legs ... maybe i don't know.
Anyway sure Mark looked great, in condition, but smaller to usual from what i saw. I think he's got a better upped body.(again i saw only 2 pics of him)
Usually shows are won from the back ... not everytime, last year i had the best back in the contest and lost in the overall.
Again we need pics, to see what judges were looking for.

The pics are now up on MuscleInsider...and I would have to agree....Patrick rightfully deserved the win...overall his physique was slightly better than Marks IMO...he wins on legs easily..much better sweeps and size as well as arms. Mark was definitely harder especially from the back...his glutes were in...but he lacks back width..thickness and detail is good but there is little width as compared to Patrick. Patricks upper back is good but from mid back down its very weak...so both had issues from the back...I had Patrick in front based on winning most body parts and a better more x framed look...he could have been in better condition for sure but I think it was enough to win.
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[Praetorian]

Yes, another totally random way of trying to 'fix' the problem. let's combine masters and junior bodybuilding - that will help. But again, another not too popular decision where guys who would have competed in multiple divisions had to go to two different provinces to compete (at least they weren't months apart). And now the elite showdown thing. Next they'll have a pushup & chinup contest with the figure/ bikini girls. I understand how it can help having the elite show - especially when the shows are close together. It just sucks for competitors having to do lots of travelling in order to compete back to back. And yeah, if there is a pro card at stake, sure, the really good ones who have a shot won't mind as much. But all they are doing is feeding off the bodybuilders who are likely already ripped and ready - kinda like using them as a 'guest poser' to draw a crowd. But my point is, if they are using them in that way, why not use them in the ultimate way and lump both shows together as they did at the pro supershow. Have some prejudging friday night for say figure and bikini, and then bodybuilding saturday, and finals at night (or something like that)...I think more people in canada would get excited for an event like that compared to a pro show in toronto sharing a provincial show.





Ya, the only problem is the population in the states are 10 fold of here, so if we hand out 2 a year, they should be handing out 20 a year to even it out. In canada I think a good number would be 2 a year. 1 for an under 202 and 1 for an over 202... (or 212 as of november this year). And perhaps a master just because, although masters pro cards are another story. If you obtain a pro card as a master you should have to compete as a masters pro. I don't think its really fair that a 35 year old woman or 40 year old man can obtain a pro card and compete as a "non-masters" pro seeing as how those same individuals often fail to even place in top 3 or top 5 in the same show in the open class. Sure, if there is a division made for them as a pro "ex. masters figure, masters bikini, masters bodybuilding" etc...(which I think there is, but 99% of the card winners will simply ccompete as a pro, meanwhile the other canadians that beat them at the same event basically never get the card.

I've always associate being an IFBB pro as being beyond elite. As in, only the best of the best of the best will get it. When I see 4-5 figure girls getting it per year, and 3-4 bikini girls, it sort of loses its prestige. 10% of national level competitors end up turning pro every year! Bodybuilding is not as bad. I think its fine the way it is now, giving a couple per year. Adds way more prestige to it, not too mention it limits the number of people getting the card yet can't place in the top 15 at a pro show in their career. But the other events are starting to remind me of FAME/WNSO, where everyone is getting a 'pro status' behind their name. It also gives the idea to newcomers that "yep, I am going pro in a year or 2" and the silly part is, it is practically true!

Sorry for the negativity, I just really have respect for those that spend their entire lives chasing the pro card, and when they get it, it means that much more. Rather than handing it to the next 8 girls in line. Hopefully they keep it roughly the way it is. Next thing you know, the world qualifier men winner will be handed a card.

Completely agree...the amount of Figure, Fitness, and Bikini IFBB pro cards handed out year after year really waters down the status...plus the value a Pro card brings to these "athletes" is pretty low...look at the prize money for an IFBB Pro contest for any of these women..its pathetic...and you have hundreds of women competing for peanuts. There is a huge difference between IFBB Pro BB and Figure/Fitness/Bikini...I really think they need to separate them and tighten up on how cards are handed out to raise the "elite" level status.
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[CutlerFan]

I thought they were pretty tight , Mark was more conditioned , but I find he's not a great poser. At least from what i see on the pics.

[Mark Richman]

Maybe before you critique me or my physique you should actually be at the show to see for yourself and know what you are talking about? Often pics don't tell the whole story? As for my posing, maybe this video can clear that up too....?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2eDNILwx0

[Delt King]

Awesome conditioning and massive size! Great vid Mark.:a+

[natenator]

You come across as a bitter little school girl when you make comments like this.

People are gonna hate so just dont listen to them.

Additionally, like you've never made a critique on someone based on pics?
Maybe before you critique me or my physique you should actually be at the show to see for yourself and know what you are talking about? Often pics don't tell the whole story? As for my posing, maybe this video can clear that up too....?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2eDNILwx0

[Mark Richman]

So what you are saying is I can't defend myself to ridiculous comments? I certainly can take criticism if its justified? Jason was the only one at the show and what he had to say speaks volumes... Sounds to me like you know more about school girls based on your sudden need to respond? I am anything but a school girl, I think the video proves that but thanks for the advice....

[JonnyO]

Its all a moot point IMHO, it was a 4 man show for a pro card? Go win the Canadians and earn it there. You have the goods.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Its all a moot point IMHO, it was a 4 man show for a pro card? Go win the Canadians and earn it there. You have the goods.
x2 on this. You have what it takes.

[Mark Richman]

Its all a moot point IMHO, it was a 4 man show for a pro card? Go win the Canadians and earn it there. You have the goods.

Absolutely JonnyO, I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely wanted more competition, unfortunately I couldn't control who showed up? Looking back now even had I won people would be saying exactly as you are now, which I totally understand! Thanks for the compliment bro I appreciate it, not sure what my plans are at this point as I have been dieting since January? All I can say I won't be doing an Elite show again....lol

[JonnyO]

Absolutely JonnyO, I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely wanted more competition, unfortunately I couldn't control who showed up? Looking back now even had I won people would be saying exactly as you are now, which I totally understand! Thanks for the compliment bro I appreciate it, not sure what my plans are at this point as I have been dieting since January? All I can say I won't be doing an Elite show again....lol

Yeah that would be a LONG time dieting and would suck, especially all through Summer!

BUT, 10 weeks....LOL.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

It's too bad the person filming wasn't closer. Here is a vid of Patrick Bernard and Mark Richman side by side. Hard to see but you can tell they were both in very good condition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAvFfheXQAY

Here is Patrick Bernard in 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTcuinQrzk8

[loutfi]

I think the "person" who's filming is his wife ! lol
And yes it's very far to make an opinion. From what i see his physic is full, round, dense and excellent condition.
And the posing is very nice ! ;-)

[MuSuLPhReAk]

2012 National Figure, Fitness, Bikini, and Men's Elite Bodybuilding Championships will take place in BC

[steve_d]

^ vancouver i was told.

[Prisoner#22]

Actually I have judging beef.

Why is it that My wife won her masters short catagory and then got third in open class, behind a woman she beat in the masters catagory.

Also why is it she lost the master's overall to a woman who couldn't even place top 5 in her open class (did she get 10th?). She got ripped off at the manitoba overalls, losing to someone who was taller, and had visible cellutite on her glutes, and at the nationals to someone for a pro card who was lets say lacking in the waste-hip ratio.
I don't get it. It looks like there is a discrimination against short women for sure.

[Dryvrgrl]

Actually I have judging beef.

Why is it that My wife won her masters short catagory and then got third in open class, behind a woman she beat in the masters catagory.

Also why is it she lost the master's overall to a woman who couldn't even place top 5 in her open class (did she get 10th?). She got ripped off at the manitoba overalls, losing to someone who was taller, and had visible cellutite on her glutes, and at the nationals to someone for a pro card who was lets say lacking in the waste-hip ratio.
I don't get it. It looks like there is a discrimination against short women for sure.

WHAT!!!! unfair judging!!!???? NOOOOOOOO lol

guess thats one thing bikini has in common with Bodybuilding :)

your wife looked great, first year competitor, she did great... can't change the judging, accept that she did great!!