hard to believe this guy was a pro at one time

[physique]

kevin levrone , looks like a tennis player

[purelife]

yeah the man was a Beast a true legend

[Houstonbc]

isnt he an actor now? or trying to be one

[Juicy_brucy]

That's what happens when ya go natural. Also, I bet his natural test production is lower than average.

[GTZ3]

Man its painful to see some of these dudes like this ... it really does make you wonder how big a part drugs actually plays in todays professional BB scene.

Hes apparently trying to be an actor, but TBH I just dont see it happening. At least when he was swole he could have gotten a few badguy parts or something. Now hes like a short, ugly, deflated version of the Rock.

best of luck Kevin

[Freebsd1977]

That's what happens when ya go natural. Also, I bet his natural test production is lower than average.

Wrong man, you can be natural and still be a bb'er. This guy is natural:

http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/pictures2/bbmen1.jpg

[fathead]

ya thats pretty shocking but i would bet in under 6 months he could be 240lbs again.

levrone was a bit backwards... kinda gaining weight up to his shows. he would take 6 months off and go down to 200lbs all the time and than do the olympia 6 months later

[kawikaratekid]

Wrong man, you can be natural and still be a bb'er. This guy is natural:

http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/pictures2/bbmen1.jpg

That guy must have one superb diet.

[kawikaratekid]

kevin levrone , looks like a tennis player

How much do you think he weighs now? 170lbs.?

[shithead]

Its harder to train after juice, then to have never juiced at all.

[dainbramaged]

It'd be interesting if some researchers did a study into the retention rate of muscle after a prolonged period of AAS usage. Maybe there's some kind of correlation between duration on, whether from one cycle to someone who's used all their life. I suppose there's many personal factors too as to diet, training intensity, motivation, etc. Maybe the body treats the supra physiological amounts of hormones in a way we're not aware of, maybe rejecting over a long time their effects on the body? I have no idea but it would make for an interesting paper in athletic circles.

I must admit, I've seen more than a few guys who got into AAS in a serious way (though still ate and trained correctly) that when they were no longer on quickly reverted back to a more joe-average body.

[fit226]

I have been clean for going on 3 months now..all by choice. The thing without juice is your diet has to be meticulous! When your out at a restaurant you have to watch the fat and carb intake unlike when your popping clen, winni, anavar and other fat burning agents. To be honest the first month was the hardest!! You actually become dependent on juice in the head...thats all..I feel sooooo much better now then when i was on the sauce and i have lost barely any muscle. The hardest part for me is maintaining leaness, hence the 1 1/2 cardio a day.

I'll be honest with the younger gun hoe guys on the board (don't worry i was like this all through my 20's) you will change your focus as you get older. When your young you think 'at this moment', as you age you really do start to focus on the future and longevity of life. I have extras to deal with health wise and you really put things into perspective. Being the biggest in the crowd is nice but you just can't maintain that forever...my.02 worth..i actually applaud Kevin!!

God i sound like a old person or a parent!!

[shithead]

I have been clean for going on 3 months now..all by choice. The thing without juice is your diet has to be meticulous! When your out at a restaurant you have to watch the fat and carb intake unlike when your popping clen, winni, anavar and other fat burning agents. To be honest the first month was the hardest!! You actually become dependent on juice in the head...thats all..I feel sooooo much better now then when i was on the sauce and i have lost barely any muscle. The hardest part for me is maintaining leaness, hence the 1 1/2 cardio a day.

I'll be honest with the younger gun hoe guys on the board (don't worry i was like this all through my 20's) you will change your focus as you get older. When your young you think 'at this moment', as you age you really do start to focus on the future and longevity of life. I have extras to deal with health wise and you really put things into perspective. Being the biggest in the crowd is nice but you just can't maintain that forever...my.02 worth..i actually applaud Kevin!!

God i sound like a old person or a parent!!

This is really good insight. I have been natural for a year, juice fvcked me up so bad(mentally) that I couldnt even train for the first two-three months. Back at it now and I feel great. I'm not preaching here, to each their own.

Kicking juice has to do with growing up.

I'm not saying I'll never cycle again, but it will never be for six-nine months of the year again.

[fit226]

six to nine months...you got off easy bro, i was in the rut for 3-4 years...(off cycle was basically bridging with anavar)...so really never OFF...

and yes it does feel good!

[IronRobi]

six to nine months...you got off easy bro, i was in the rut for 3-4 years...(off cycle was basically bridging with anavar)...so really never OFF...

and yes it does feel good!

3-4 years at a time brings it from casual use all the way to abuse. I feel if you follow a good time on = time off and limit to 12-15weeks then it's not that bad. I do know people who have been on for 5+ years straight, I call that the "life cycle"

[fit226]

And you think the pros or national contenders are ever "off"? Not a chance bro. You don't build a great physique with casual use for the most part. Not implying its right to do so..trust me i'll prob pay in the long run for that kind of use but better late then never to call it quits...to each their own..

[The Brick]

Tom Prince is another example of drastic weight loss from a pro

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5724911

[leeroy]

Looks too normal.

[bigdaddydrew123]

youd think youd maintain some muscle if you were 250 or so, maybe he never built any muscle naturally at all, youd think some foundation would be built that doesnt go away, look at pics of bill pearl frank zane etc.. they still look like they work out . thats surprising

[ironwill]

Its harder to train after juice, then to have never juiced at all.
This can absolutely never be proven...IMO it is bs....

I was 220 before i ever hit the gym, now im 265-270, ive taken looooong periods off and havent dipped below 245 and looked ok...I have no problem training on or off the j.....I believe it is totally in our heads, if lethargic pop a cup of coffee and get the good tunes out and rock out with your cock out, unless ur a pussy...then jam out with your clam out...jk bro, but you get my drift..

[fit226]

This can absolutely never be proven...IMO it is bs....

I was 220 before i ever hit the gym, now im 265-270, ive taken looooong periods off and havent dipped below 245 and looked ok...I have no problem training on or off the j.....I believe it is totally in our heads, if lethargic pop a cup of coffee and get the good tunes out and rock out with your cock out, unless ur a pussy...then jam out with your clam out...jk bro, but you get my drift..

Then why juice bro? I am sitting at 232 and am still vascular but i have to be meticulous about my eating and cardio...Juice helps, no ifs ands or buts about it......i also have an advantage/disadvantage, whatever way you look at it - insulin..and its taken me 31 years to semi-master that!

[Musclehead]

Yes it IS sad to see things like this, but I'm sure he's happy with what he's doing at least. I guess when you've been so huge for so long and it hasn't gotten you an O title priorities change. It seems though, that even if he was natural he could be bigger than that....it's like he doesn't even train at all.

[simone]

Tom Prince is on dialysis and low protien diet.. that's why he looks like he does.. probably barely even trains..

Kevin Levrone is probably trying to stay lean like that... i'm sure wiht TRT if he is infact have low test levels he coudl still look pretty damn good...

its no doubt drugs with the pros.. but there is no reason you still can't stay in great shape if you take the training/nutrition seriously after sauce..

[Freebsd1977]

Tom Prince is on dialysis and low protien diet.. that's why he looks like he does.. probably barely even trains..

Dialysis? Are his kidneys failing?

[Houstonbc]

they failed in 03 i believe

[Houstonbc]

tom prince's kidneys failed in 03 i meant

[Mr Ontario]

If you have a good wife/girlfriend and supports you through it and still likes your skinny ass dick after juicing your good to go.



This is really good insight. I have been natural for a year, juice fvcked me up so bad(mentally) that I couldnt even train for the first two-three months. Back at it now and I feel great. I'm not preaching here, to each their own.

Kicking juice has to do with growing up.

I'm not saying I'll never cycle again, but it will never be for six-nine months of the year again.

[shithead]

This can absolutely never be proven...IMO it is bs....

I was 220 before i ever hit the gym, now im 265-270, ive taken looooong periods off and havent dipped below 245 and looked ok...I have no problem training on or off the j.....I believe it is totally in our heads, if lethargic pop a cup of coffee and get the good tunes out and rock out with your cock out, unless ur a pussy...then jam out with your clam out...jk bro, but you get my drift..

This is the key, you need to max out before taking excess hormones, as you did.

I hit the sauce at 170lb at 18 yrs old and went for over decade w/minimal time off.

Its a mind game, being huge becomes part of you. When you come off you are still huge but dont feel that way.

[shithead]

Then why juice bro? I am sitting at 232 and am still vascular but i have to be meticulous about my eating and cardio...Juice helps, no ifs ands or buts about it......i also have an advantage/disadvantage, whatever way you look at it - insulin..and its taken me 31 years to semi-master that!

You are diabetic, correct?

Does insulin help build muscle in diabetics?

[Mr.Freeze]

i know one guy at my gym who was huge just because he was diabetic and was using slin

[thelittleguy]

i'm suprised levron is that small. the guy must hardly be training anymore.

[shithead]

i'm suprised levron is that small. the guy must hardly be training anymore.

He spends all his time working on his acting career.

[fit226]

yes diabetic and yes of course it helps and i have used it to my advantage in the past but now its all about longevity for me and making sure i am able to spend my RRSP's when i get there..LOL...

[Mr.Freeze]

the story:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_3_22/ai_n6108163/pg_1

[Houstonbc]

what the hell were all these 90's guys doing exactly does anyone know? ive heard they were all real hooked on the pain killers, nubain and milos sarcev allegedly liquid cocaine ??

[Mr.Freeze]

They were going crazy on Tren!lol

[fit226]

The problem is, you are only reading the bad news about ones that are in the head lines. You never hear about 'joe blow' that has all these issues and more. I saw the most disturbing thing at the Arnold show this year. There was a guy walkng around the expo that was leaning up against a booth trying to catch his breathe and sweating profusely. The guy looked like he was gonna croak! And this guy was a no body and just a spectator at the expo...probably all hopped up on Clen and any thing else he could have got his hands on before going to show off....it was really disturbing for me.

People just need to take a step back and put things in perspective and priority.

[mouth]

Its harder to train after juice, then to have never juiced at all.

why? just mentally?

[shithead]

Yeah mentally and physically. The training drive, confidence, endurance and insane pumps all contribute to why its so difficult.

Its like sex, if you've never had it, its a lot easier to go without. If you've had a lot of sex and go on a dry streak you know what your missing.

[mouth]

gotcha...

now, are you talking about the guys that do one cycle a year...or just the guys that are constantly on it?

[dainbramaged]

The problem is, you are only reading the bad news about ones that are in the head lines. You never hear about 'joe blow' that has all these issues and more. I saw the most disturbing thing at the Arnold show this year. There was a guy walkng around the expo that was leaning up against a booth trying to catch his breathe and sweating profusely. The guy looked like he was gonna croak! And this guy was a no body and just a spectator at the expo...probably all hopped up on Clen and any thing else he could have got his hands on before going to show off....it was really disturbing for me.

People just need to take a step back and put things in perspective and priority.

I ran into Greg Kovacs several years back, though I didn't get a chance to talk to him, and he had a buddy with him (albeit a bit smaller but much bigger than the average BB). After a bit, I had to go to the bathroom which was 2 short flights of stairs up in the building. I went, and when I was coming out Greg's buddy was coming up to the top of the stairs wheezing like a 90 year old man and he pulled out a puffer to try to catch his breath. Maybe he had an asthmatic condition but if that's what his size was costing him, maybe he should've reconsidered his priorities.

[ironwill]

Then why juice bro? I am sitting at 232 and am still vascular but i have to be meticulous about my eating and cardio...Juice helps, no ifs ands or buts about it......i also have an advantage/disadvantage, whatever way you look at it - insulin..and its taken me 31 years to semi-master that!
no shit juice helps...where did i say it didnt...I said im 20 lbs heavier and harder with it....I am saying that the lack of training ability when off is in our heads....Obviously there is a short time where physically we would be weaker while recovering from exogenous test administration, but after that, It is psychological, and my other point was that it is impossible to prove Its harder to train after juice, then to have never juiced at all...
:ji

[bigben]

He looks fine. If he's happy and healthy, more power to him. As for his approach of gaining just for a competition, he did pretty well with it, and probably put his body through a lot less wear and tear. I firmly believe the gains from AAS are temporary. You retain in the long term, nothing more than you would have if you trained hard naturally. For many they are a crutch that means they don't have to eat as well or train as smartly, yet still look like they know something. The best will always be the best, whether its on juice or tested and training naturally. I think for many, the prospect of the work that goes into training naturally vs the gains, simply isn't enough for them, so they just drop out of the scene. As they say, if they're not on juice, they're not training.

[fit226]

This can absolutely never be proven...IMO it is bs....

I was 220 before i ever hit the gym, now im 265-270, ive taken looooong periods off and havent dipped below 245 and looked ok...I HAVE NO PROBLEM TRAINING ON OR OFF THE J.....I believe it is totally in our heads

Exact same question, "Then why juice bro?" and you gain 20 lbs of MUSCLE with juice when you are on, especially when your starting at 245?

[ironwill]

Exact same question, "Then why juice bro?" and you gain 20 lbs of MUSCLE with juice when you are on, especially when your starting at 245?
nope, started at 220ish, im 245 when off for a long time....id probably go back to lower- mid 200s when i do go off....

Umm, let me see here, i juice because i want to, i do very low doses, like a half gram per week or less total, i am almost 40 yrs old, i look like late 20s, early 30s and i get regular bloodwork and with responsible useage im healthy as can be...plus i enjoy the feelings of well being and i believe when i diet right down for my show in November, i will retain a hell of a lot more muscle than i would if natural, and ive only been doing this a short while as previous career commitments ruled my life for many yrs, so in essence juice helps me make up for lost time, im doing ok for only being a serious lifter since 2004...
Plus its fun being bigger than you, any more questions???;) you still havent made a point in your questions???

[Freebsd1977]

they failed in 03 i believe

Wow, that sucks. Thanks for the update.

[O-Train]

nope, started at 220ish, im 245 when off for a long time....id probably go back to lower- mid 200s when i do go off....

Umm, let me see here, i juice because i want to, i do very low doses, like a half gram per week or less total, i am almost 40 yrs old, i look like late 20s, early 30s and i get regular bloodwork and with responsible useage im healthy as can be...plus i enjoy the feelings of well being and i believe when i diet right down for my show in November, i will retain a hell of a lot more muscle than i would if natural, and ive only been doing this a short while as previous career commitments ruled my life for many yrs, so in essence juice helps me make up for lost time, im doing ok for only being a serious lifter since 2004...
Plus its fun being bigger than you, any more questions???;) you still havent made a point in your questions???

You'll only find out how big you are once you've dieted down. Not to start a pissing match but I think you will be suprised how much weight you'll have to lose for a show. You're right though, dieting down w/o sauce isn't fun and you do lose some muscle. Although with a good diet and going at things really slow it isn't that bad.

I think there are a few reasons it would be harder to train after using steroids vs. never using them at all. First off. You have to train totally differently. The body just can't recover the same w/o juice. So overtraining would be an issue. Also, and this is an individual factor, I see a lot of guys that don't know shit and use steroids as a crutch. They would look like nothing w/o it. If you had a smart guy who had a good diet and knew how to train, once endogenous test levels came back up, everything should be equal. Although, as someone else pointed out, it may be tough to go back to slow gains after cycling for a while. I can see how that would wear on a guy and that could be why so many guys become dependent. Cause after all, steroid and peptide hormones are very powerful drugs.

I'm not really suprised guys like Kevin are as small as they are now. He probably doesn't workout very much any more. No AAS and diet probably isn't great. It's just his body adapting to minimize muscle because it isn't needed anymore. What I do find crazy though is he looks like a small guy. What I mean is his bone structure. It's pretty amazing he could put on muscle so quickly with such a small frame.

[SteveMan]

That Tom Prince pic is unreal. Is he still a trainer with his condition?

I'm only 21 and my family has no idea why I take steroids, I don't even waste my breath trying to argue with them any more cause they will never understand, body building is such a passion with me that I knew I was going to use gear when I was 12 years old, and waiting till I was 20 to start was hard as hell. I know the possible consequences. I also know that life is short and I am tired of people pretending to know whats best for me. Mind you I am not about to do year long cycles.

I do admit though some times when I look in the mirror when that needle is jabbed in my ass I question my priorities in life.

[fit226]

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[ironwill]

and i really don't think this constitutes as bigger then me, but to each their own??

http://www.musclenexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28816

And here i even encouraged you in your progress thread at Nexus.

ok, i am now done acting 10 years old...we'll put it to rest as i originally wasn't being facetious at all, and actually inquiring if you feel don't need the J then why do it...so that was the moral of my questioning.

LMAO, i got what i wanted....I wont digress and act 10, i had fun with ya and you cracked...
and those pix were last yr at 245 i believe, if you read the posts, not sure though...I hadnt really noticed you encouraged me in my thread, i have always only seen you as an insecure dude, so i didnt really pay attention to you or your posts until you actually asked me why i juiced...When i never claimed i didnt need it, just said it doesnt really change my training to much after i recover...So again your ugly little insecurity popped up..tsk, tsk..
good times, good times...

i got about 25ish lbs to lose....I wouldnt say thats a long way to go in 24 weeks, but it will be a journey nonetheless...

[ironwill]

This is fun, post up after me again so it looks like my avatar is going to eat your avatar....rawwwrrr...:fart

[fit226]

lmao that is all

[bigben]

I think the reality of AAS's are that they are the greatest bodybuilding drug / supplement ever invented. We use them because nothing else works like them. You can waste a hell of a lot of money and effort on a plethora of supplements of the week, but the reality is few of them will be on the shelves a couple of years from now, and almost none in ten years, because in that timeframe most are determined to be worthless. If you are in the know, you'll spend your money on food and aas's and be much further in your goal than anyone who trains "naturally" but downs a lot of untested supplements that contain gods knows what and do god knows what, as compared to anabolics that are very well tested and to some degree natural, just not in the levels taken. Bodybuildiing is a goal in itself, and for others eventually a means to an end, as someone like Arnold can testify.

[Freebsd1977]

I think the reality of AAS's are that they are the greatest bodybuilding drug / supplement ever invented. We use them because nothing else works like them. You can waste a hell of a lot of money and effort on a plethora of supplements of the week, but the reality is few of them will be on the shelves a couple of years from now, and almost none in ten years, because in that timeframe most are determined to be worthless. If you are in the know, you'll spend your money on food and aas's and be much further in your goal than anyone who trains "naturally" but downs a lot of untested supplements that contain gods knows what and do god knows what, as compared to anabolics that are very well tested and to some degree natural, just not in the levels taken. Bodybuildiing is a goal in itself, and for others eventually a means to an end, as someone like Arnold can testify.

Arnold did testify that he only used AAS for 2 years but that's like Barry Bonds saying he's natural. :moon

[St]

Yeah mentally and physically. The training drive, confidence, endurance and insane pumps all contribute to why its so difficult.

Its like sex, if you've never had it, its a lot easier to go without. If you've had a lot of sex and go on a dry streak you know what your missing.

Shit i did this a few times in the past 18 years not a good feeling at the start,and great for you and fit226 that you are clean for now.:)

You hit the nail on the head with how it feels to come off.

[SteveMan]

I think if you call your self a true body builder then perfection does not belong in your vocabulary.

[broken7]

I'm not really suprised guys like Kevin are as small as they are now. He probably doesn't workout very much any more. No AAS and diet probably isn't great. It's just his body adapting to minimize muscle because it isn't needed anymore. What I do find crazy though is he looks like a small guy. What I mean is his bone structure. It's pretty amazing he could put on muscle so quickly with such a small frame.

Kevin stopped lifting completely for like 2 years, only dieted and cardio and he was around 180 pounds shredded. Thats pretty damn impressive for no gear, no lifting. What you have to understand is he wanted to lose the muscle. He looks hella skinny because his bodyfat is so low and he doesn't have the huge muscles that he did when he was 250 or whatever. I believe he started training a bit naturally now and is like 200+ shredded. Checkout his interviews on bignationradio for more accurate info.

[Random Letters]

Levrone was one of the best to ever grace the stage.

You can't be 260 shredded for your entire life. It's not reasonable to expect him to look like a competition bodybuilder when he no longer is one.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/next/Kevin_Levrone_photo32.jpg

[spankmonkey]

Levrone has won more BB titles in the history of the sport than anyone and has carved out a very nice living for himself. He is one of the few who defined the sport and was not defined by it. It did not consume him and he was able to have a life outside the sport. He may never become the level of movie start as Arnold, but I suspect between his band and his acting career he is doing very well.
He owns a gym in Maryland and I am sure he still works out, but his priorities are not the Olympia anymore so why would he carry around an extra 70-100 lbs of muscle. If you have read anything about the man he does not suffer from low self esteem and is not what he looks like in posing trunks.
BB like him and Shawn Ray are guys who did not have to suffer massive organ failure before getting on with their health still intact.
BBing is about being smart not just jamming needles into you ass and hoping you will get big, so you look good in a t-shirt. IMO

[shithead]

I think if you call your self a true body builder then perfection does not belong in your vocabulary.

I dont think you need to take steroids to be a bodybuilder. You can maximize your physique naturally, it would be hard work, but that in itself is perfection.

The feeling you get from natural progress from training once you've recovered from past cycles...

is more a feeling of achievement, like your winning the battle, climbed the hill.

I might do another cycle before I'm dead, but 90% of the time I will be natural.

[small_guy]

Funny video with Kevin- he definitly has a great personality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45gT5fu5PKU

[ZeOne]

Funny video with Kevin- he definitly has a great personality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45gT5fu5PKU

LOL...I can now say that I am bigger than Levrone


And this is him before..for the sake of good ol' times

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Impressive physique to say the least