Best mass cycle for 8-10weeks?

[moh2010]

Hey P.

I know you prefer 16 weeks cycle for mass gaining, but my body seem to give up after 8-10weeks of heavy lifting. I explained my situation to an osteopath who worked on my wrist/elbow pain and he agreed that my tendons/joints are relatively small for the muscle/strength I have. My reps are controlled and always 10+ for my arms.

So for my next cycle, I think I will limit myself to 8-10 weeks of training(or until my body give up).


What is the best cycle in your opinion?

1-10 tren a 100mg eod
1-10 sust 250mg eod

or

1-10 deca 200mg eod
1-7 sust 250mg eod
8-10 sust 375mg eod

or you have a better suggestion?

I'm tempted by the second cycle as tren make me not sleep very well.

[Praetorian]

Both of those cycles would not be optimal for 8-10 weeks because of the long esters....your blood level doesn't get high enough for at least five weeks...then 3-5 weeks later you are stopping. I would suggest either tren ace and test enanthate but front load the enanthate or ten ace and test prop.
P

[moh2010]

Both of those cycles would not be optimal for 8-10 weeks because of the long esters....your blood level doesn't get high enough for at least five weeks...then 3-5 weeks later you are stopping. I would suggest either tren ace and test enanthate but front load the enanthate or ten ace and test prop.
P


thx p.


I'm not sure I understand 100%.

Does it look like that?

1-3 test enan 250mg ed/tren a 100mg ed
4-10 test enan 250mg eod/tren a 100mg eod

and I add also prop at 100mg for the first 3 weeks?

I was under the impression that I dont need to use prop as sustanon have 150mg of short ester per cc.

[Praetorian]

No not like that....read this...

Standard cycle of 500mgs per week

Week 1- 500mg used……..After 7 days 250mg left – so active test delivered in that wk 250mg

Week 2 – 500mg used…….+ 250mg (left over) = 750mg – test active for that wk = 375mg

Week 3 – 500mg used…….+375mg (left over)= 875mg – test active for that wk=437.5mg

Week 4 – 500mg used……..+437.5mg(left over)=937.5mg – test active for that wk=488.7mg

Week 5 – 500mg used……..+488.7mg(left over)=988.7mg – test active for that wk=494.3mg

Week 6 – 500mg used……..+494.3mg(left over)=994.3mg – test active for that wk=497.1mg

Week 7 – 500mg used……..+497.1mg(left over)=997.1- test active for that week=498.5mg

And so on……………

Takes 7 weeks to get the full weekly dose of 500mgs

250mg in the first wk
375mg in the second wk
437.5mg in the third wk
488.7mg in the fourth wk
494.3mg in the fifth wk
497.1mg in the sixth wk
498.5mg in the seventh wk
Front loaded cycle of 500mg per week -

Week 1 – 1000mg used…….After 7 days 500mg left – so active test delivered in that week 500mg….bingo!!!!
Then back to the normal dose of 500mg per wk, job done!


P


PS the amount of prop in sustanon is minimal if injected twice weekly...you wont get much from that.

[moh2010]

No not like that....read this...

Standard cycle of 500mgs per week

Week 1- 500mg used……..After 7 days 250mg left – so active test delivered in that wk 250mg

Week 2 – 500mg used…….+ 250mg (left over) = 750mg – test active for that wk = 375mg

Week 3 – 500mg used…….+375mg (left over)= 875mg – test active for that wk=437.5mg

Week 4 – 500mg used……..+437.5mg(left over)=937.5mg – test active for that wk=488.7mg

Week 5 – 500mg used……..+488.7mg(left over)=988.7mg – test active for that wk=494.3mg

Week 6 – 500mg used……..+494.3mg(left over)=994.3mg – test active for that wk=497.1mg

Week 7 – 500mg used……..+497.1mg(left over)=997.1- test active for that week=498.5mg

And so on……………

Takes 7 weeks to get the full weekly dose of 500mgs

250mg in the first wk
375mg in the second wk
437.5mg in the third wk
488.7mg in the fourth wk
494.3mg in the fifth wk
497.1mg in the sixth wk
498.5mg in the seventh wk
Front loaded cycle of 500mg per week -

Week 1 – 1000mg used…….After 7 days 500mg left – so active test delivered in that week 500mg….bingo!!!!
Then back to the normal dose of 500mg per wk, job done!


P


PS the amount of prop in sustanon is minimal if injected twice weekly...you wont get much from that.

THank you for the explanation. I will use 250mg eod for the cycle, but will frontload the first week at 250mg ed.

[Praetorian]

As the article says twice the regular weekly dosage is used the first week as a front load.
P

[moh2010]

Thank you. I was reading heavy Iron and Dr Intensity posts on RX.

They recommended pyramidal cycling (3 cycles of 8 weeks, with a 4weeks cruise in between). Look a little bit too hardcore/pro-level for me I think.

week 1-8 Sustanon-250 @ 1000mg/week{front load 150mg test-prop eod for weeks 1-3}
week 1-8 Deca-Durabolin @ 600mg/week
week 9-10 {Test propionate-500mg/week}
week 10-11-12-13 CRUISE/PCT
then repeat
week 1-8 Sustanon-250 @ 1250mg/week{front load 150mg test-prop eod for weeks 1-3}
week 1-8 Tren A-225-300mg
week 9-10 {Test propionate-500mg/week}
week 10-11-12-13 CRUISE/PCT
then repeat

week 1-8 Sustanon-250 @ 1500mg/week{front load 150mg test-prop eod for weeks 1-3}
week 1-8 Boldenone-600mg
week 9-10 {Test propionate-500mg/week}
week 10-11-12-13 CRUISE/PCT

use ancillary drugs(during cycle)
Letrozole-2.5mg eod
HCG-2000iu/sundays
Cabergoline-1mgE3d
etc etc
* Use orals like D-ball-30mg or Anadrol-50mg for every cycle for the last 5 weeks

....


This one caught my interest:

Weel 1 1 gram Test E
Week 2-6 500mg TE
Week 7 750mg TE
Week 8 1 gram TE
Week 9 1 gram TE / 262.5mg Tren Ace
Week 10 1,250mg TE / 262.5mg Tren Ace
Week 11 1,250mg TE / 262.5mg Tren Ace
Week 12 1,500mg TE / 350mg Tren Ace
Week 13 350mg Tren Ace

[Praetorian]

There is no such thing as cruise/PCT for 3-4 weeks especially running long esters...looks like someone trying to over complicate something very simple...bunch of nonsense.
Ill let you in on a secret...if you cant grow on a long ester test combined with an anabolic like deca/EQ or tren for 12-16 weeks then BB is just not for you!
P

[moh2010]

There is no such thing as cruise/PCT for 3-4 weeks especially running long esters...looks like someone trying to over complicate something very simple...bunch of nonsense.
Ill let you in on a secret...if you cant grow on a long ester test combined with an anabolic like deca/EQ or tren for 12-16 weeks then BB is just not for you!
P


Cool. Yeah I agree. Thank you again!

[Repmeister]

I agree that you can't run PCT for weeks 10, 11, 12, and 13 and then start again but you can cruise right? By cruise I mean a low dose test of say 250/wk just to let the receptors recover a bit before hitting it again. So, for example, you might run 8 wks of Test E @ 750mg then cruise for 3 or 4 wks with 250mg and maybe an oral. Then back on with say a Test and Deca combo for another 8 to 10 weeks and then another 3 wks cruise, then one more blast - maybe test and tren. So this way you get the benefit of a very long cycle but accounting for receptor down regulation. Does that make sense Prae? I did this last year and seemed to work very well. I seem to respond better to longer cycles but they are not for everyone. Planning to start the same thing again soon.

[Praetorian]

Your receptors are not recovering on a cruise...neither is your endocrine system...I dont see any point in that...either be on and growing or get off and recover.
P