Good read on GHRP-2/6 and GHRH

[JifeLacket]

professionalmuscle.com/fo...ic-guides.html

[JifeLacket]

For some reason that link isn't working...

professionalmuscle.com/forums/peptides-growth-factors/45579-datbtrue-input-hgh-ghrp-protocol.html

[cog]

Now I remember....believe Dat might be a Quebecois now living in Alberta or BC.Maybe you can distill some more of it and let us know?

[JifeLacket]

Yea there is a LOT of info in there lol.

Basically I gathered what I wanted to know, and that is,

1. There is no desensitization to the pituitary at 1mcg/kg dose of ghrp 2/6, (saturation requires less for ghrp2). So one can run it indefinitely and in fact, once off the pituitary will stay stimulated above baseline for a few weeks and then drop back to normal.

2. The ghrp's are very stable ie. not like IGF-1 where the shelf life isn't that long once mixed. And the ghrp's are even more stable at or below room temperature unmixed, I think at 4C they were stable for up to 5 years.

3. The combo of ghrp and ghrh (mod GRF 1-29) is more effective then just ghrp. However ghrh by itself is less effective then just ghrp. Ghrh adds to the pulse height and length only AFTER ghrp is administered (or at the same time).

4. Once reconstituted I think I am going to pre load syringes and freeze them (for one 5mg vial) and then take them out and let them thaw in the fridge when needed. This may not be necessary since ghrp is pretty stable and I might be able to make it through a 5mg vial before it degrades.

I'm just going to run ghrp-2 for now, hopefully it arrives soon. Adding ghrh will double the cost of running the peptides but may be worth it.

[cog]

You need the trigger and the amplifier,otherwise hit and miss,IIRC.

[JifeLacket]

GHRP-2 and 6 by themselves are effective, adding ghrh just makes it more effective.

[#8]

Give me back my BASS!!

[JonnyO]

What are you looking to gain out of using it?

What are you going to use GHRp-2 or GHRP-6? And why?

[JifeLacket]

Going to use ghrp-2, seems to be the better version from what i have read. Bigger GH spike, no hunger issues.

Looking for better/faster recovery, tested athlete. Any fat loss benefits would be nice too. I will probably add mod GRF 1-29 (better version of cjc 1295 i think) since it easily doubles the GH release of ghrp-2 (or 6) alone. Only when the two are combined does it double the release though. cjc or mod GRF 1-29 by them selves provide almost nothing, ghrp is the trigger (and it works on its own).

[JonnyO]

Your a pro on the peptides now so your all good to go...now to find out just how disappointed you will be after using them, lmao.

[JifeLacket]

WTF dude? When did I say I was going to love them or they are going to work amazingly? lol... The facts that i'm stating about them are just from studies and research.

[JonnyO]

No you got all the info correct. I found the GHRP-2 made me way hungrier than the 6 did. I didnt notice much in the way of recovery either or fat loss. I would go with straight GH over it any day. I must admit after doing all the research on it over at Dats board I was pretty excited over it, but I was disappointed. Hopefully you have better results than me.

[JifeLacket]

Cool. I thought I would try this before GH, if I don't feel ANYTHING on the ghrp-2 alone, I doubt adding the mod grf 1-29 would be any different or more noticeable so i'll probably just skip it. I'm more excited for prop/var ;)

[cog]

I used the combo without anabolics,I believe that gives you a better assessment then if you mixed in a bunch of other drugs.I am rather curious to see how a younger athlete could do with this.Only real downside over gh is that timing is far more constrained.I believe there is also some info about using niacin to lower FFA's to make them even more effective,iirc,baconbits has some info.And they are legal...

[JifeLacket]

Yea, I wont be running and gear for a while and if I do it's going to be a small amount. I think if this fails, i'm going to try igf1 lr3. And then just GH, at least for 6 months. Or a combo of lr3 and GH. I have used insulin with excellent results too, 3iu 2 or 3 times a week and during competition is amazing. Adding GH will only make it more anabolic.

[cog]

Yea, I wont be running and gear for a while and if I do it's going to be a small amount. I think if this fails, i'm going to try igf1 lr3. And then just GH, at least for 6 months. Or a combo of lr3 and GH. I have used insulin with excellent results too, 3iu 2 or 3 times a week and during competition is amazing. Adding GH will only make it more anabolic.

Could I ask what form of insulin?

[JifeLacket]

Humalog

[cog]

Is Humalog the common choice for athletes?

[JifeLacket]

From my understanding, yes, unless there is an equally fast acting insulin in another brand that I am unaware of (Novolin?) For what I was doing, a longer acting slin probably wouldn't have been any better in terms of what I was looking for...

[cog]

I see.Trying to figure out the diff for bbing as stated by Prae recently.He prefers longer...

[JifeLacket]

Yes I would agree with P for BBing, coupled with GH and AAS, insulin is where its at. Its a serious hormone. Longer acting would definitely be more beneficial, I think he suggests only the next step slower though which is still a few hours longer the humalog (6-8hr until baseline?). Less abrupt spike, longer release etc. Humalog really mimics the natural insulin spike I think. Diet must be perfect too.

[JonnyO]

Yes I would agree with P for BBing, coupled with GH and AAS, insulin is where its at. Its a serious hormone. Longer acting would definitely be more beneficial, I think he suggests only the next step slower though which is still a few hours longer the humalog (6-8hr until baseline?). Less abrupt spike, longer release etc. Humalog really mimics the natural insulin spike I think. Diet must be perfect too.

I think you might be refering to Humulin R not Humalog.26172

[JifeLacket]

I used Humalog, but the insulin P was recommending for BB was Humalin R I think. Typed that fast probably wasn't clear.

[JonnyO]

Ohh I thought you refed to Log being 6-8hrs.

[JifeLacket]

Yea my bad, I would have edited but caught it next day. Can't edit that late anymore.

[Steeve1000]

just start 100 mcg 3x day i feel no hunger but im so tired.....opinion?

[JifeLacket]

From what I have heard that could be from IGF-1 release... Did you get ghrp-2 or 6?


just start 100 mcg 3x day i feel no hunger but im so tired.....opinion?

[Steeve1000]

ghrp 6

[JifeLacket]

Try 200mcg one time, I would think that would trigger the hunger. Some people don't get hunger off 100mcg. As for being tired, I really don't know whats happening.

[Steeve1000]

thanks

[JifeLacket]

Hey Steeve1000, i'm just getting the same tiredness, really really deep sleeps but waking up groggy...

[brutus]

seems like alot of drug use for a tested athelete. do you compete in natural events?

[cog]

seems like alot of drug use for a tested athelete. do you compete in natural events?

These are peptides,legal I believe.

[JifeLacket]

seems like alot of drug use for a tested athelete. do you compete in natural events?

Lol, ghrp-2 is 'a lot of drug use for a tested athlete'? This peptide is hardly proven to work. To qualify for 'a lot of drug use' as a tested athlete one must be on several drugs at least. I know for a fact that many sprinters are on a lot of drugs, the doses are not high but they are gassed up. End of story. I bet 80% (at least) of pro athletes have used steroids, growth hormone or some blood booster of some sort. All peptides are illegal in olympic sports. They are legal to buy though. There are thousands of variants of testosterone that can be synthesized that are undetectable, trust me, they are out there. Who won't cheat if given the opportunity?

I don't compete, not sure what you're talking about :)

[JifeLacket]

Actually I take that back, there are probably more % of clean athletes, they are just 20th to last place lol.

[cog]

IIRC,Prae has mentioned that people using HGH have to build up to the higher dosages.Likely the same going on here with the fatigue?

[JifeLacket]

IIRC,Prae has mentioned that people using HGH have to build up to the higher dosages.Likely the same going on here with the fatigue?

Yes and seeing as how i started at double the saturation dose maybe I over stimulated my production and sort of burnt out. I didn't shoot last night and I already feel less groggy this morning. Took a single shot today after some light cardio and really felt it kick in. I'll take tonight off too.