1,3-Dimethylamylamine banned in Canada as of April 1st

[physique]

For those of you that like jack3d, razor 8, 1mr or anything else with 1,3-Dimethylamylamine in it.
enjoy what there is left for stock in canada. as of april 1st health canada banned the ingredient in your favorite pre-workout products.

[TopHatPlus]

so then what are the alternatives?

[ProteinJunkie]

Since February, it’s been on the banned substance list for the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and natural bodybuilding organizations as well. It was bound to happen.

[physique]

1MR has a new version coming out. i have been told it works just as good. but until in try it i cant be sure.

geranium is still legal right now. even though 1,3 dimethyl is the same damn thing. probably only a matter of time though

[moh2010]

I understand people complaining about their favorite preworkout supplements getting banned... But hey, I'm pretty sure taking 400mg of caffeine with 50mg of DMAA(1scoop of razor8) is not very healthy. IMO, if you feel too tired to workout, dont go. Your body need some rest

[TopHatPlus]

haha well 1mr is only 300 mg of caffeine =D haha, i know its not healthy, but i don't smoke drink or do drugs and i have NEVER tried any of them, i do not drink coffee or large amounts of pop, and if i used the excuse i'm tired i'm not going.... yeah i would maybe hit the gym once a month... but i get the best workout of my life every other day! and being i take it and work myself into the ground its fine =D haha were all going to die some day >_<

@ physique - that's what i figured would happen, and i will look into and see whats going on and get my hands on some and post up when i do =D

[JonnyO]

Thats fine by me!

[moh2010]

haha well 1mr is only 300 mg of caffeine =D haha, i know its not healthy, but i don't smoke drink or do drugs and i have NEVER tried any of them, i do not drink coffee or large amounts of pop, and if i used the excuse i'm tired i'm not going.... yeah i would maybe hit the gym once a month... but i get the best workout of my life every other day! and being i take it and work myself into the ground its fine =D haha were all going to die some day >_<

@ physique - that's what i figured would happen, and i will look into and see whats going on and get my hands on some and post up when i do =D

I agree with you 100%... But health canada doesn't make their decisions according to us (who doesn't drink/do drugs, train 4-5times a week and eat clean). They do it according to all the population (unhealthy peoples, obeses, peoples who eat crap all day, teenagers...). Those supplements may cause problems too them. But like you know, the real cause is not the supplements, its their weak health.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I personally can't confirm this news. Can't find anything about it on Health Canada's website.

[TopHatPlus]

haha yeah taking 1MR to play xbox... i would poop out my heart >_<

[clicker666]

That's a drag. I wonder if I can buy it in capsule format? I'd just take it with my Xtend prewo, and a bit of caffeine.

[SylviaM]

This is just my opinion.Not a fan of NO in general.I feel like my heart is going to burst out of me! I've tried it only once and I was on a high for 3 days,then crashed!!

[NACanada]

1-3 has always been 'illegal'. Because it is synthetic it is considered a pharmaceutical which obviously can't be used in NHP's. What HC chooses to enforce is what's new.

PH

[physique]

I personally can't confirm this news. Can't find anything about it on Health Canada's website.

its cause ONLY distributors were told this.( I stumbled upon it whne i tried to re-order 1mr from my USA supplier. and he told me HC sent them a letter telling them no shipping it to canada anymore because of the 1,3 dimethyl.
i contacted HC as i have them on speed dial now thanks to my raid to find the truth.

I can post the reply i got from them tomorrow. but it basically said supplement companies cant put it in supplements until they obtain a DIN number for it. which i doubt they ever will.
and the reply also said HC was in the process of making a press release for their website

[physique]

1-3 has always been 'illegal'. Because it is synthetic it is considered a pharmaceutical which obviously can't be used in NHP's. What HC chooses to enforce is what's new.

PH

speaking of that. it doesnt sound like geranium will be baned though. which is funny, as both are the same thing.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Can you post the reply when you get a chance?

I was told there would be some news on their website soon but soon will probably be longer than we expect.

[mouth]

what's a "DIN" number?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

What is a DIN?
A Drug Identification Number (DIN) is a computer-generated eight digit number assigned by Health Canada to a drug product prior to being marketed in Canada. It uniquely identifies all drug products sold in a dosage form in Canada and is located on the label of prescription and over-the-counter drug products that have been evaluated and authorized for sale in Canada.

A DIN uniquely identifies the following product characteristics: manufacturer; product name; active ingredient(s); strength(s) of active ingredient(s); pharmaceutical form; route of administration.

When is a DIN issued?
Once a drug has been authorized, Health Canada issues a DIN which permits the manufacturer to market the drug in Canada. For drugs where there is minimal market history in Canada, there is a more stringent review and the drug is required to have a Notice of Compliance (NOC) and a DIN in order to be marketed in Canada.

What purpose does a DIN serve?
A DIN lets the user know that the product has undergone and passed a review of its formulation, labeling and instructions for use. A drug product sold in Canada without a DIN is not in compliance with Canadian law.

The DIN is unique and serves as a tool to help in the follow-up of products on the market, recall of products, inspections, and quality monitoring.

Do DINs only appear on prescription drugs?
No. A DIN is assigned to all authorized prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

Is there a significance or special meaning for the numbers in the DIN?
No. Numbers are assigned randomly by a computer-generated system and have no particular meaning.

Can a product classified as a drug be sold without a DIN?
No. If a product defined as a drug under the Food and Drugs Act is sold without a DIN, it is not in compliance with Canadian law and regulatory action will be taken.

Do I need a DIN to sell a drug product in Canada?
Yes. If a product defined as a drug under the Food and Drugs Act is sold without a DIN, it is not in compliance with Canadian law.

[NACanada]

speaking of that. it doesnt sound like geranium will be baned though. which is funny, as both are the same thing.

Geranium stem and 1-3 are different. I'm not sure of the exact manufacturing process though.

[Canborn]

I switched from PWO's awhile ago in favor of some strong coffee. Found my workouts were no different. and my wallet is putting on some solid mass ;)

[bcaamuscle]

Jack3d actually made me feel like I was on something..I have it here and probably won't use it lol I hate the way it makes me feel

[NaturalG]

Does anyone know of an actual reported case where a bodybuilder or other athlete has drug-tested positive for DIMETHYLAMYLINE??? It appears to have been added to the list of prohibited substances on the CCES webpage.

http://www.cces.ca/files/pdfs/CCES-PUB-SubstanceClassification-E.pdf

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Junior hockey player. Same site as you were on.
http://www.cces.ca/en/news-150-junior-hockey-player-suspended-eight-games

Also a good read
http://www.cces.ca/en/advisories-34-supplements-containing-methylhexaneamine

[TopHatPlus]

yea... i am ind of disappointed in this being banned.

i have been thinking about it since this post was started and i got to think...
the most abused and damaging drug in history is alcohol and rather then make it illegal, they put an age limit.

So i am 21 years old i know the side affects and limitations of taking it why can i not use it?
i understand that teenagers getting there hands on it but with a age restriction like 21 would help?

adults make adult decisions?

[Baconbits]

just ordered some from TP with no issues

[Talo]

So if the main ingredient in Geranium is 1,3 dimethylamylamine . Why is this still ok ?

[moh2010]

So if the main ingredient in Geranium is 1,3 dimethylamylamine . Why is this still ok ?

From what I understand, Health Canada banned the ingredient named "1,3 dimethylamylamine", not Geranamine (even if it's the same thing)

Methylhexaneamine is known by various names including:

methylhexaneamine OR methylhexanamine
1,3-dimethylpentylamine OR pentylamine
1,3-dimethylamylamine OR DMAA
Geranamine
Floradrene
2-hexanamine, 4-methyl- OR 2-hexanamine, 4-methyl- (9CI) OR 4-methyl-2-hexanamine OR 4-methyl-2-hexylamine
4-methylhexan-2-amine OR 2-amino-4-methylhexane
Forthan OR Forthane OR 1,3-dimethylamylamineforthane
C7H17N

[Curt Griffin]

Is it banned allmax products usually conform to natural competition banned substance list?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

If the natural competitions follow WADA Prohibited Lists, then yes, it would be a banned substance. Click the second link in post #24 and you'll see it.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Did a quick search on the UFE site. Saw this


Let’s be real for a minute. Everyone should have a grasp of what is allowed in a “natural” competition. To make things very simple, if you can buy a supplement over the counter at any reputable retailer in Canada or the US, you will be fine. If you are buying something from Joe Blow’s garage or “behind the counter” then you are not welcome to compete. Those who take medications that may contain testosterone or other questionable substances may be allowed to compete if they can prove that these medications are only being taken on the advice of a medical professional due to an existing condition that affects quality of life. In these special circumstances, a competitor will be required to provide documentation of their condition and paperwork showing their hormone levels at the athlete meeting.

No 1,3-Dimethylamylamine or other names it goes by on the list. Best thing to do is contact the organization you compete in and ask them directly.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

To add to this, did a search on the IDFA website and they link up to here
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/World_Anti-Doping_Program/WADP-Prohibited-list/To_be_effective/WADA_Prohibited_List_2011_EN.pdf

So with the IDFA it's banned. You'll find it under S6. STIMULANTS - section B - methylhexaneamine

What makes this a bit silly is that if someone is looking to see if 1,3-dimethylamylamine is banned and doesn't know that it also goes under the name methylhexaneamine, you can end up getting banned.

[A.C.P.]

I guess it all depends what the organization is testing for and if it is a blood or urine test. Blood tests would probably be more advanced in screening for substances such as this compared to a urine test that is done with most organizations. I am not saying that if one is competing in a tested show that they continue using it I am just saying that if someone just found out a while back such as myself they should not continue to use it and they should be fine. Not sure how long this would stay in your system though????

[Curt Griffin]

Thanks Musulphreak, that cleared the air for me!

[Big Poppa S]

Basically 1,3-dimeth is *supposedly* a constituent of geranium oil which was extracted, standardized and synthesized for mass production. As such very few products, if any, actually have geranium in them, they all just have the synthesized 1,3-dimeth that is *supposedly* derived from geranium. Now the reason I say "supposedly* is that there is some new research that indicates that 1,3-dimeth is not actually present in geranium at all, and that the Chinese study that originally indicated this was severely flawed. So, if the new research is correct that means that all these companies that were adding 1,3-dimeth to their products and believing that it was a geranium extract (and labelling the product as such) were mistaken. Now all that being said, I've seen that Allmax Razor 8 Blast Powder no long has 1,3-d on their label, instead they now have "cranes bill extract", from what I've read cranes bill is another name for a specific type of geranium, however, if the above is correct, they could add all the geranium they want as there wouldn't be any 1,3-d present anyway..... All this info is pretty new and the debates are still ongoing so I would still need to wait and see some consistent test results one way or the other before claiming this as absolute truth.

Hope that helps.

[Sean Summers]

Geranium 20 has an NPN exemption number so it is good to go.