So the government

[JacktheThriller]

Does anybody know what is going on? What these parties are standing for? There is so little information in the mainstream, I'm just so lost. Nobody is talking about themselves, just the failures of other parties. I may vote this year so inform me.

[Talo]

I do know that they are all going to promise everyone lots of stuff and deliver none of it :)

[mouth]

Does anybody know what is going on? What these parties are standing for? There is so little information in the mainstream, I'm just so lost. Nobody is talking about themselves, just the failures of other parties. I may vote this year so inform me.

That's pretty much all they ever do! ;)

[beserker]

The way i see it , as unfortunate as it is , you can either pick liar # 1,2 or 3. Its all bullshit IMO

[JacktheThriller]

so nobody knows anything

[kawikaratekid]

Funny you brought this up. I was just discussing how the news hardly informs you of anything worth while. The segment about the election was very small and didn't say a thing about what each party stood for. They did mention that Harper was on a four wheeler :-/... It's actually upsetting that you have to find alternative news sources to obtain any valuable information.

[cog]

An election campaign is a bad time to make judgements about leaders and parties.You should know something about their past behaviour at least...I did find it interesting that a certain party had some "software" developed to help you choose...:)This cap and trade nonsense is designed to give hydro an advantage...and kill the oil patch.Who will foot the bill for all the deficits the various provincial governments incur then?

[bcaamuscle]

it's interesting how some slimeballs will keep the questions being asked by journalists to under 5. Way easier to cover your greasy trail and spin when people aren't allowed to question it and no one is held responsible for their actions.

[JacktheThriller]

lol this is ridiculous i just thought i was uninformed but actually there is no information out there. Anybody getting good vibes from any party

[BMac]

Being in the Military, i'll be voting Conservative, they are the only party that hasn't royally screwed things up for us. Liberal and NDP platform for the military is a joke, and going with either of them could potentially come with tax hikes to lower the deficit quicker

[faller]

:hiyo

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o113/faller11/random%20shit/rooftopsvote.jpg

[cog]

Well somebody had to start with derogatory characterizations of a leader....most of the CBC reporters will never say anything good about Harper period.The CBC have quite the record of secrecy don't they?Cap and trade will destroy the country,same thing as the green shift....

[kawikaratekid]

An election campaign is a bad time to make judgements about leaders and parties.You should know something about their past behaviour at least...I did find it interesting that a certain party had some "software" developed to help you choose...:)
I agree. This is still the time where they should be informing the public of what there current direction is. Priorities change with time as different things evolve.

[faller]

If you think waiting till the 11th hour is going to inform you enough on any given party i'm afraid you've missed the boat.. Seriously, you're waiting for the media to inform you??

[kawikaratekid]

I'd say about ten years ago you would hear a lot more about the parties in the media. All I'm saying now is there is quite a difference. If you want people to vote inform them of the issues in society that are pressing. Not multiple stories about Marsha's dog doing a new trick, or a horse that sounds like it's saying something random.
The parties should also be doing a better job of reaching out....
As for waiting until the eleventh hour, not me my friend. I'm going to vote for the best organized crime syndicate they have to offer ;).

[cog]

Number one priority is the economy.The liberals want to increase business taxes.Taxes are already ****ing ridiculous in this country,why do you think so many people move to the U.S?And if you think taxes and deficits are always going to be covered by "other"people,you're dreaming.The libs said the green shit was done,the tarsands were important to the Canadian economy,and now they go right back to this cap and trade nonsense.This is just another way for people that don't actually work to make money off your back...we already have enough of those types here...

[Knuckles28]

I'm voting Conservative, Lib's and NDP will just raise taxes. Really the only way you can learn anything about their "election promises" are on their web sites. I used to vote Liberal, then they screwed us, then i switched to NDP again they screwed us, This time im voting for Harper.

[faller]

I'd say about ten years ago you would hear a lot more about the parties in the media. All I'm saying now is there is quite a difference. If you want people to vote inform them of the issues in society that are pressing. Not multiple stories about Marsha's dog doing a new trick, or a horse that sounds like it's saying something random.
The parties should also be doing a better job of reaching out....
As for waiting until the eleventh hour, not me my friend. I'm going to vote for the best organized crime syndicate they have to offer ;).

I hear ya! Seems the only time the media gets interested is when there is a sex scandal.

Partly our fault and partly media/politician's fault. We get so jaded when it comes to politics that we don't pay much attention and media is still a business, so if they're not selling, they don't make money.

[JMP]

People are just plan sick of all of this , 7 different elections this year alone in BC ....its whats called voter fatigue and its costing us a SHIT LOAD of money !!!!

[JacktheThriller]

i would pay more tax to have better education, health and infrastructure

[mouth]

As would I, Jack. Honestly, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for...I just know I'm not voting for Harper. I'm opposed to a lot of what he stands for and what he's done.

[JacktheThriller]

The NDP Platform

Leadership you can trust

It’s time for a leader who will get things done for you and your family. Jack Layton’s New Democrats will work with others, stop the scandals and get results. Together, we can start fixing Ottawa – right now.
Making life more affordable

New Democrats will reduce the cost of everyday essentials like home heating. And we’ll ensure that every family takes home more of every paycheque.
Rewarding job creators

Under Stephen Harper, your tax dollars went to companies shipping Canadian jobs overseas. New Democrats will target investment to small businesses and companies actually creating jobs right here at home.
Improving front-line health services

New Democrats will take concrete steps to train more family doctors. We’ll improve homecare. And we’ll make your prescription medicines a little more affordable.
Putting families first

New Democrats will strengthen pensions. We’ll make childcare and education more accessible. And we’ll improve EI to make it easier for families to care for ageing loved ones.



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This is so ****ed. So little information. If I handed in a paper of this length I would fail, without question. This is so stupid, we'll do this, we'll do that. Ok, but how do you plan on doing it. No wonder that nothing gets done in the country when they don't even flesh out a good plan until they get into office.

[Knuckles28]

The NDP will raise taxes to pay for these programs, and no doubt scrap a lot of projects our military are depending on.
I want to see what a majority Conservative Government will do. The NDP here in NS has failed miserably.
So I wont vote NDP, that leaves the Liberals and PC parties for me to choose from.
I honestly like the way Harper protrays himself.

[mouth]

The NDP Platform

Leadership you can trust

It’s time for a leader who will get things done for you and your family. Jack Layton’s New Democrats will work with others, stop the scandals and get results. Together, we can start fixing Ottawa – right now.
Making life more affordable

New Democrats will reduce the cost of everyday essentials like home heating. And we’ll ensure that every family takes home more of every paycheque.
Rewarding job creators

Under Stephen Harper, your tax dollars went to companies shipping Canadian jobs overseas. New Democrats will target investment to small businesses and companies actually creating jobs right here at home.
Improving front-line health services

New Democrats will take concrete steps to train more family doctors. We’ll improve homecare. And we’ll make your prescription medicines a little more affordable.
Putting families first

New Democrats will strengthen pensions. We’ll make childcare and education more accessible. And we’ll improve EI to make it easier for families to care for ageing loved ones.



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This is so ****ed. So little information. If I handed in a paper of this length I would fail, without question. This is so stupid, we'll do this, we'll do that. Ok, but how do you plan on doing it. No wonder that nothing gets done in the country when they don't even flesh out a good plan until they get into office.



haha...you took that RIGHT from the NDP site, didn't you? ;)

[JacktheThriller]

yea which u would imagine is the best portrayal of their plans and thats all they provide.

[natenator]

I've always said that I would not vote for Harper despite being a conservative because frankly I just don't trust the guy and I still don't.

That said he's getting my vote. Enough of this minority gov't bullshit. Hope he gets his majority and we can see just what he's made of and hope he's made of more than I think he is. At the very least he won't kill business opportunity by raising those taxes.

**** you Liberal, NDP and **** YOU Quebec!

[natenator]

I would too but instead we pay more to support every other social program that ISN'T necessary. If we cut back on the programs that benefit 10% of the population maybe there would be more money for the programs used by 99% of the population?

[L3]

i played around with this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/


but then again, who owns this particular medium - i'm not sure of that

[Talo]

i would pay more tax to have better education, health and infrastructure

Our taxes go up EVERY YEAR no matter what and the school system doesn't get any better, they close more health care places and our roads are still shit. They use that as an excuse , but never follow through with it.

Not that I'm complaining because I love where I live and I've excepted the fact that 50% of my cheque goes to tax, then I get hit with more tax everywhere I go. SO basically I pay around 80-85% tax :) and then at the end of the year I owe more money !!!

Stop saying we have to raise taxes to fix these issues, when it doesn’t happen.

And how much do these guys make ?? $200,000 easily - not to mention all the tax write offs they get.

[Talo]

I would too but instead we pay more to support every other social program that ISN'T necessary. If we cut back on the programs that benefit 10% of the population maybe there would be more money for the programs used by 99% of the population?

THis I agree with

[Talo]

Don't you think that having a minority government keeps them honest ? Well as honest as it can get.

[JacktheThriller]

you cant make any headway in a minority government because everything has to be a compromise so all u get is a half wit approach to everything. I hope we get a majority and all the other parties STFU and help for 4 years, then if that doesnt work they can really say that person isnt fit to lead.

[physique]

i think they need to chnage the rules on how long your term is before another election can be called. n
mininmum 4 years. as its takes at5 least 2 years to clean up the mess the guy before them did.

4 elections in 7years is a HUGE waste of tax dollars. thats our money that can be used for so much more.

i am voting conservative all the way here, as its the liberals,ndp and bloc ( how this is a party is beyond me) that created this huge waste of tax dollars.

[O-Train]

Even if I completely agreed with the Liberal Platform (which I don't) I wouldn't vote for them for 2 reasons. 1. They formed a coalition with the NDP and Bloc and forced this election. 2. I would never want Michael Ignatieff as our PM. I hope the Conservatives get a majority.

[JacktheThriller]

^^ agree Michael Ignatieff is a snivelling little worm of a man, personally i want Layton (Nobody ****s with the mustache LOL)

[cog]

Has Ignatieff ever actually had a job where results could be measured?All I see in that guy is that he is the NWO candidate.

[cog]

That vote compass was designed by a guy affiliated with the liberals.Apparently unless you drive a truck with three dogs,a gun rack with at least two rifles,an open beer and a confederate flag in the window then you are actually liberal.Kind of.

[cog]

^^ agree Michael Ignatieff is a snivelling little worm of a man, personally i want Layton (Nobody ****s with the mustache LOL)

I have a hard time figuring Layton's upbringing.He's from Hudson which is a rather small Anglo enclave on Lac des deux Montagnes,many of the early families were wealthy,at some point they moved to LaSalle.

[faller]

The NDP will raise taxes to pay for these programs, and no doubt scrap a lot of projects our military are depending on.
I want to see what a majority Conservative Government will do. The NDP here in NS has failed miserably.
So I wont vote NDP, that leaves the Liberals and PC parties for me to choose from.
I honestly like the way Harper protrays himself.

Same in BC. two terms and we, for the first time in our history, became a "have not Province".. Those ****ers would kill this country in no time, especially with the way the world economy is right now.

Hey, i'm out west, its Harper all the way..... Except here on the Island, THE cesspool of NDP dome, its so ****ing embarrassing..

[warlock]

as a matter of survival I have to vote against the homophobes

[Talo]

^^^^ so your not voting ? :)

[cog]

Is this about the marriage thing warlock?

[warlock]

Is this about the marriage thing warlock?

The marriage is just the most visible part of it.

In a nutshell the homophobe party of Canada does its best to ignore, not support or whenever possible sabotage anything related to the rights and freedoms of non heteros.

Even though times and place are quite different it makes me thing about Germany after 1st WW.

As I said it is a matter of survival and I can't gamble with that no matter what. because if they turn into full blown majority I see no reason why they wouldn't just bring things backwards.

[natenator]

So your voting based on one issue? The party that supports gays could strip health care, education and cpp but as long as the gays are accounted for that's who you'll vote for?

[faller]

If you're going to use the word "survival" warlock you might want to look at the bigger picture. The economy is soooo damn fragile right now that bringing the wrong party in is going to put a whole new twist on the word "survival".. And it sure as shit ain't going to be worrying about whether you can or can not marry a dude..

[cog]

If you're going to use the word "survival" warlock you might want to look at the bigger picture. The economy is soooo damn fragile right now that bringing the wrong party in is going to put a whole new twist on the word "survival".. And it sure as shit ain't going to be worrying about whether you can or can not marry a dude..

Listening in on any of the CBC radio stations hosting election talk is quite depressing...I don't think many people actually understand this...

[Talo]

If you're going to use the word "survival" warlock you might want to look at the bigger picture. The economy is soooo damn fragile right now that bringing the wrong party in is going to put a whole new twist on the word "survival".. And it sure as shit ain't going to be worrying about whether you can or can not marry a dude..

agreed - it's such a NON issue right now. These are the things the government focuses on when there is nothing left to bash.

[warlock]

agreed - it's such a NON issue right now. These are the things the government focuses on when there is nothing left to bash.

That is not an issue for you guys, but a permanent issue for me.

When you are a minority at risk you learn to not take your chances, that is exactly how other minorities conquered their space and still struggle nowadays.

It seems that you think about this as only a matter of who can marry whom but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Reading the responses here just confirms what I thought already: It is MY job to protect my rights and freedoms because no one else will and because it is my job not yours.

If you prefer to vote to the homophobe party of Canada there isn't much that I can't tell you but remind that today it is my rights and tomorrow may be yours.

If you have no issues with the total disregard for human rights just because it doesn't affect you directly and isn't an inconvenience for you at this moment (I guess that some of you are parents). it makes me wonder, if people really can't sum 2+2 or they just prefer to ignore that the same lack of principles, morals and values that jeopardize 1.000s of citizens of this country may have the power to affect the lives of all citizens.

[faller]

Rights?? Well i guess when we can have an all heterosexual parade without getting thrown in front of some kangaroo court or an all white rodeo or a white only baseball team ( which you discriminated minorities part take in endlessly with out recrimination i might add) than we'll be on the same page in regards to human rights!

Get your head out of the proverbial self pity sand and look at what this country is facing FFS!!

[natenator]

I'm sorry but ones sexual preference doesn't make them a minority and frankly you insult all those people who actually ARE minorities.

You have the right to health care, education, Canada pension, etc, etc, etc. Our rights are all protected by the supreme court. Sexual orientation is not a RIGHT.

But since we're on the topic of rights, gay rights have advanced a lot further than the rights of women and blacks did yet you still want more, faster. How about chilling the **** out for a bit, be appreciative for how far you've come so far and let things happen in due time when the country is ready for it. Ready for it in ALL aspects.

I say this to my gay friends as well so don't think I'm taking offense with you directly.

[natenator]

Rights?? Well i guess when we can have an all heterosexual parade without getting thrown in front of some kangaroo court or an all white rodeo or a white only baseball team ( which you discriminated minorities part take in endlessly with out recrimination i might add) than we'll be on the same page in regards to human rights!

Get your head out of the proverbial self pity sand and look at what this country is facing FFS!!

Agreed

[warlock]

Rights?? Well i guess when we can have an all heterosexual parade without getting thrown in front of some kangaroo court or an all white rodeo or a white only baseball team ( which you discriminated minorities part take in endlessly with out recrimination i might add) than we'll be on the same page in regards to human rights!

Get your head out of the proverbial self pity sand and look at what this country is facing FFS!!

Too bad that I am writing one thing and you are just answering out of anger and deviating this tread to a debate that is just useless.

Fell free to pm me and continue the debate of secondary issues.

I have no self pity and have no idea where you get his from, I am looking what this country is facing: homophobes in power!

The interesting part is that no one denies that the party in power is homophobic.

[cog]

Do they have to blow you to prove they're not?Isn't this mostly about federal public servants wanting spousal benefits?Double income no kids,you don't need it.

[warlock]

Would you ever ask the black guy to forget that the candidate is a KKK member, or the Jewish to ignore the neo nazi past of a candidate?

[warlock]

Do they have to blow you to prove they're not?Isn't this mostly about federal public servants wanting spousal benefits?Double income no kids,you don't need it.

Prejudice at its best!

[natenator]

Would you ever ask the black guy to forget that the candidate is a KKK member, or the Jewish to ignore the neo nazi past of a candidate?

What proof do you have that any party or leader is against gay people?

[Talo]

Rights?? Well i guess when we can have an all heterosexual parade without getting thrown in front of some kangaroo court or an all white rodeo or a white only baseball team ( which you discriminated minorities part take in endlessly with out recrimination i might add) than we'll be on the same page in regards to human rights!

Get your head out of the proverbial self pity sand and look at what this country is facing FFS!!


Exactly !

[Talo]

Would you ever ask the black guy to forget that the candidate is a KKK member, or the Jewish to ignore the neo nazi past of a candidate?

Your really comparing yourself to what the blacks and the jews have been through in their history ? Crazy !

So who is the leader / party that you would help you get closer to having all the freedoms that you lack now , like being able to ride the bus with all the others or not being a slave to the straight man ??

[natenator]

from yesterday's Toronto Star:


There was Alberta conservative stalwart Link Byfield on the front page of the National Post last Tuesday, complaining that Harper has “systematically suppressed debate” on matters such as same-sex marriage and abortion.

“Harper has made it abundantly and compellingly clear that the social conservative agenda is not to be contemplated in his government and not to be advocated or advanced. And he will have come to this conclusion because he has seen it necessary to get centre voters. As long as he’s leader that will remain the case,” Byfield told journalist Charles Lewis.

What this means is that he has no intention of addressing the issue of same-sex marriage, abortion, etc in either positive OR negative fashion. The status quo remains the status quo and I think that's the right decision. The country is not there for it yet either emotionally or financially.

[JMP]

So ...is there a parade or not ?

[Talo]

On a side note the health and fitness fund has gone from $500 to $1000 per year / per family. :)

[Talo]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8

[Talo]

If the green party is a true and real party , then why are they not aloud in the debate ?

I would rather see the green then the bloc any day.

[moh2010]

Try this test. It was very accurate for me:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

[faller]

If the green party is a true and real party , then why are they not aloud in the debate ?

I would rather see the green then the bloc any day.

I believe its because they have no seats.. The green party took it to court and the courts said tough shit.

[cog]

Try this test. It was very accurate for me:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/

Likely because you're a liberal.Written by a man affiliated with the liberal party.Do you need software to help you figure out the issues?Ignatieff just admitted he lied earlier this week about voting abroad in Britain,at the time he described himself to a British reporter as "an American Democrat".This man lies way too easily,combine that with the liberal record of corruption and what do you have?But it might not matter to a significant portion of the population that will be satisfied with a case of beer and a bucket of chicken...you can bet that's how Iggy looks at most of us.

[natenator]

Likely because you're a liberal.Written by a man affiliated with the liberal party.Do you need software to help you figure out the issues?Ignatieff just admitted he lied earlier this week about voting abroad in Britain,at the time he described himself to a British reporter as "an American Democrat".This man lies way too easily,combine that with the liberal record of corruption and what do you have?But it might not matter to a significant portion of the population that will be satisfied with a case of beer and a bucket of chicken...you can bet that's how Iggy looks at most of us.

Beer and some chicken would be nice. A lot more than I get from my gov't currently lol

[cog]

Beer and some chicken would be nice. A lot more than I get from my gov't currently lol

A coalition with the Green Party and you would be all set.:)

[warlock]

Your really comparing yourself to what the blacks and the jews have been through in their history ? Crazy !

So who is the leader / party that you would help you get closer to having all the freedoms that you lack now , like being able to ride the bus with all the others or not being a slave to the straight man ??

Yes I do.

Gay bashing is a reality.

In some places in this planet homosexuality is illegal and punished with death.

Gay teenagers are at a higher risk of suicide, sexual exploitation, suffer violence etc.

Same shit different assholes

[warlock]

Do they have to blow you to prove they're not?Isn't this mostly about federal public servants wanting spousal benefits?Double income no kids,you don't need it.

So we have to pay the same taxes, do the same work, abide the same laws but not entitled to the same benefits?

[Talo]

I thought you could get married here. I just don't know enough about this , but I thought Americans were coming up to Canada to get married because it was legal , No ?


In some places in this planet homosexuality is illegal and punished with death.

In some places they will cut off your hand if you steal or kill you if you kill some one else. Some places don't let their women vote or even show their faces in public.... THere are many places on this planet that do things differently than this country you now call home, but I'm sure your still glad you live here with the laws we have now.

[cog]

So we have to pay the same taxes, do the same work, abide the same laws but not entitled to the same benefits?

Unless something new has developed,you're not making new Canadians.Why get married if no kids are on the horizon?More drama than Cujo at the Emmy's warlock.No Gestapo or **** Police here.Harper and some of his advisers certainly are pretty straight laced,not really the interests of most people,maybe he'll loosen up,eh?Iggy and his cronies have a good chance of breaking this country up,it's the same old drain Alberta and the west,we're already sending billions every year and now they have more bs transfer plans underway with this green shift.Quebec and the Blockheads need Alberta,Ontario is no longer a cash cow...deeper into debt every year...if the economy takes a dive over some coalition's idiotic economic management plans,watch out.Add it up for just the next 10 years with interest accrued what we send...

[warlock]

Unless something new has developed,you're not making new Canadians(1).Why get married if no kids are on the horizon(2)?More drama than Cujo at the Emmy's warlock.No Gestapo or **** Police here.Harper and some of his advisers certainly are pretty straight laced,not really the interests of most people,maybe he'll loosen up,eh?Iggy and his cronies have a good chance of breaking this country up,it's the same old drain Alberta and the west,we're already sending billions every year and now they have more bs transfer plans underway with this green shift.Quebec and the Blockheads need Alberta,Ontario is no longer a cash cow...deeper into debt every year...if the economy takes a dive over some coalition's idiotic economic management plans,watch out.Add it up for just the next 10 years with interest accrued what we send...

1) this shows how ignorant you are about the subject, every day I see more and more gay couples with kids.
2) the reason why people get married or not, are a personal matter not public. But the right to be treated fairly is supposed to be universal.

I guess that in some ways we agree in one thing: we will vote for survival.

If you are interested in knowing the reality of non heteros I can point a few sources for you and you can do some research because all that you talk about is marriage for a very shallow perspective and gay parades from an ignorant point of view.

If you re read the statements made towards my posts you can see that there is so much close mindedness and ignorance about the subject and not much of an interest in knowing the perspective of the insider.

Saying that sexuality is an option just show the level of ignorance about the subject and the list goes on...

[warlock]

I thought you could get married here. I just don't know enough about this , but I thought Americans were coming up to Canada to get married because it was legal , No ?



In some places they will cut off your hand if you steal or kill you if you kill some one else. Some places don't let their women vote or even show their faces in public.... THere are many places on this planet that do things differently than this country you now call home, but I'm sure your still glad you live here with the laws we have now.

The whole marriage thing in not about marriage per se in my point of view, but a matter of being treated equally. It is my option to not get married but I am happy that I can opt and am not be forced one way or the other.

I completely agree with your statement and will do my best to keep homophobes away from power and Canada a free country where we can disagree and debate without resuming to barbaric methods.

[warlock]

What it seems that people refuse to understand is that all that I am saying is: to be free and respected are my highest values and I will pay whatever price is necessary to pay to keep the rights that I have and to be treated fairly.

I never said the opposition is any better or worse, but there record of the homophobic party of Canada speaks a ton about threatening the values that I referred to.

And even though I believe that I probably live in one of the best places on earth in terms of safety and equality I know that I live in fantasy island and I have to do whatever it takes to keep what I have because I have seen different realities even in Canada.

[cog]

1) this shows how ignorant you are about the subject, every day I see more and more gay couples with kids.
2) the reason why people get married or not, are a personal matter not public. But the right to be treated fairly is supposed to be universal.

I guess that in some ways we agree in one thing: we will vote for survival.

If you are interested in knowing the reality of non heteros I can point a few sources for you and you can do some research because all that you talk about is marriage for a very shallow perspective and gay parades from an ignorant point of view.

If you re read the statements made towards my posts you can see that there is so much close mindedness and ignorance about the subject and not much of an interest in knowing the perspective of the insider.

Saying that sexuality is an option just show the level of ignorance about the subject and the list goes on...

And exactly what percentage of gay men actually get married and then adopt kids?I never mentioned anything about parades.

[warlock]

I don't know it is purely empirical and I see more and more where I live. Maybe they are running away from your neighborhood and moving here???lol

The parade thing is not directly towards you but it is about the mindset (maybe I pressed send too fast)

But your views about gay marriage are so off. The fact is: everybody should be treated equally not better or worse and sexuality should be a non issue. But unfortunately it isn't the reality.

[cog]

I don't know it is purely empirical and I see more and more where I live. Maybe they are running away from your neighborhood and moving here???lol

The parade thing is not directly towards you but it is about the mindset (maybe I pressed send too fast)

But your views about gay marriage are so off. The fact is: everybody should be treated equally not better or worse and sexuality should be a non issue. But unfortunately it isn't the reality.
You must be living on Yonge street.You know years ago there was a bar on Yonge street named Cherry's and they had to advertise that it was a straight bar!

[Talo]

But your views about gay marriage are so off. The fact is: everybody should be treated equally not better or worse and sexuality should be a non issue. But unfortunately it isn't the reality.

This I agree with.

I don't see gay rights as an issue and I always thought that they were treated equal ( minus the red neck mentality ) but I guess I'm just ignorant to it because I don't live it.

Everyone should be ( and will be one day ) treated equal.

With that said I do think there are more important things going on in our country right now to base my vote on one thing.

I'm trying to pick a government that will further this country and it's people in this world we live in. We need to be more self sufficient rather than dependent on the country below us.

[faller]

Everyone should be ( and will be one day ) treated equal.

.

Not in our lifetime.. As long as we have Gov. that insists we are all equal, some more equal than others, equality will never be achieved..

[Spyder122]

Having Gilles Duceppe at the debate was a complete waste of time. I don't understand why the Block Heads are allowed to the debate. The rest of Canada doesn't care what the have to say. All they seem to be concerned with is separating Quebec from Canada.

[cog]

Not in our lifetime.. As long as we have Gov. that insists we are all equal, some more equal than others, equality will never be achieved..

Yes,the ever innocent "super victim".

[faller]

So far i'm hearing that there is a very good chance the conservatives will get a majority! :cflag

Than the PC's can get down to business and start jailing some of the gays in this country!

Just jokeing warlock :hiyo

[JacktheThriller]

But your views about gay marriage are so off. The fact is: everybody should be treated equally not better or worse and sexuality should be a non issue. But unfortunately it isn't the reality.

Your living in a dream world. People will never be treated equally...ever. Thats not how society works, some people are treated well, some people are treated like shit. Don't expect a election campaign to center around the issues regarding minorities. The government is backed up the ass with problems. Considering how recent these gay issues are being brought to light how can you possibly expect things to become fair. Women are still not equals to men for god sake. For example, men and women working the same job women are less likely to be promoted and are paid less for the same job. Or what about huge disparities in the wealth in Canada, between rich and poor and the dissapearence of the middle class. GET ****ING REAL MAN IT WOULD BE NICE BUT QUITE ****ING UNLIKELY

[cog]

I still think don't ask don't tell is best....

[natenator]

I still think don't ask don't tell is best....

One doesn't need to ask in order to tell who is gay. Majority of gay people exude gay.

[cog]

One doesn't need to ask in order to tell who is gay. Majority of gay people exude gay.

Maybe...but there is also gay mannerism or style that crosses over to straight people...

[JacktheThriller]

one of the steps to accepting yourself as a homosexual is identifying the self with sexual orientation often at the expense of other aspects of the self. So yes, most gay people clearly are gay, especially the young, the older they get the less they identify with sexual orientation as part of the self

[cog]

one of the steps to accepting yourself as a homosexual is identifying the self with sexual orientation often at the expense of other aspects of the self. So yes, most gay people clearly are gay, especially the young, the older they get the less they identify with sexual orientation as part of the self

Or decide it was just a phase they were going through.Bowie got married,so did Lou Reed.Carol Pope tried it,went back to women.Sarah Mclauchlan went back to men....if you want babies,make like Ken and Barbie...

[warlock]

You guys talking about homosexuality and gay stuff is ridiculous.

It is as intelligent as myself talking about raising children, no first hand experience whatsoever... but full of uninformed opinions to share.

And exactly because I agree with Jack's post I must do my best to keep whatever rights I have and not take any chances.

[cog]

Iggy says no pipeline and no tankers on the coast.In Iraq,China was only allowed a very small piece of the action.A couple of years ago when the Chinese looked to buy an oilsands player,the Americans growled.Different rules for the Chinese?The Chinese have since invested more,but they still need to get the oil out.There will be a petroleum endgame at some point...dwindling resources.No matter whether you think this is the correct strategy to deny the Chinese or not,not allowing a pipeline effectively limits the chance of the oil going very far...and leaves us captive to American plans.I say that Iggy is just an American pawn.He's the NWO candidate IMO.

[rob66679]

Iggy says no pipeline and no tankers on the coast.In Iraq,China was only allowed a very small piece of the action.A couple of years ago when the Chinese looked to buy an oilsands player,the Americans growled.Different rules for the Chinese?The Chinese have since invested more,but they still need to get the oil out.There will be a petroleum endgame at some point...dwindling resources.No matter whether you think this is the correct strategy to deny the Chinese or not,not allowing a pipeline effectively limits the chance of the oil going very far...and leaves us captive to American plans.I say that Iggy is just an American pawn.He's the NWO candidate IMO.

The endgame is when we get accused of having WMD's as a pretext for invasion lol........ give it 75 or so years.
Then again we're pretty much giving oil away to the companys anyways, so it won't be a new thing when the Americans start taking it.

[rob66679]

Your living in a dream world. People will never be treated equally...ever. Thats not how society works, some people are treated well, some people are treated like shit. Don't expect a election campaign to center around the issues regarding minorities. The government is backed up the ass with problems. Considering how recent these gay issues are being brought to light how can you possibly expect things to become fair. Women are still not equals to men for god sake. For example, men and women working the same job women are less likely to be promoted and are paid less for the same job. Or what about huge disparities in the wealth in Canada, between rich and poor and the dissapearence of the middle class. GET ****ING REAL MAN IT WOULD BE NICE BUT QUITE ****ING UNLIKELY

If your over about 3 years old, you should know that fair has nothing to do with anything, it never did.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.

Bloc should be tried for treason.
Iggy is weak, maybe slightly better then Dion.
Harper scares everyone east of Ontario, myself included. Doesn't want to answer questions, controls who shows up at events, really isn't doing much to shake the image of being a control freak and potential dictator if he had a majority.......
Guess I'll have to vote for the Marijuana party or something lol........

[faller]

Guess I'll have to vote for the Marijuana party or something lol........

There's days where i just want to say f*** it and do the same..

[cog]

The endgame is when we get accused of having WMD's as a pretext for invasion lol........ give it 75 or so years.
Then again we're pretty much giving oil away to the companys anyways, so it won't be a new thing when the Americans start taking it.

Free trade is supposed to be just that...and it means you get what people are willing to pay...the natives actually want the pipeline,didn't hear Iggy mention that.He hides behind environmentalists,who in this case are just useful idiots.

[cog]

If your over about 3 years old, you should know that fair has nothing to do with anything, it never did.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.

Bloc should be tried for treason.
Iggy is weak, maybe slightly better then Dion.
Harper scares everyone east of Ontario, myself included. Doesn't want to answer questions, controls who shows up at events, really isn't doing much to shake the image of being a control freak and potential dictator if he had a majority.......
Guess I'll have to vote for the Marijuana party or something lol........

Rob,do you figure the CBC is above planting operatives at Harper rally's to create ugly scenes?Or constantly bringing up issues that aren't really relevant like the so called election fraud?Harper knows what these people are all about...they are like the frigging Vatican they are so secretive.

[faller]

He hides behind environmentalists,who in this case are just useful idiots.

At least someone has finally found something useful from these parasites..

I don't think the bloc should be tried for treason but they should definitely loose their federal status. Do they even have a candidate outside of Quebec?

[cog]

At least someone has finally found something useful from these parasites..

I don't think the bloc should be tried for treason but they should definitely loose their federal status. Do they even have a candidate outside of Quebec?
No.I do wonder about their federal status.But the Greens have status for funding.

[faller]

Yeah but at least the greens try to have candidates in every province.

[cog]

Yeah but at least the greens try to have candidates in every province.

This is true.Maybe it would be unconstitutional to deny the Bloc?

[rob66679]

Rob,do you figure the CBC is above planting operatives at Harper rally's to create ugly scenes?Or constantly bringing up issues that aren't really relevant like the so called election fraud?Harper knows what these people are all about...they are like the frigging Vatican they are so secretive.

I would like to think the CBC is above that, yes.
If they did that and it came out what credibility would they have left?
When he was in halifax he wouldn't take any questions from anybody, and even kept all the reporters at a distance.
I'd like to think the conservatives could just as easily plant a few hecklers in a good place, but nobody else is screening people like the Conservatives are.
Just to be clear I'm no fan of any of the partys, but this kind of stuff bothers me the most......

[rob66679]

At least someone has finally found something useful from these parasites..

I don't think the bloc should be tried for treason but they should definitely loose their federal status. Do they even have a candidate outside of Quebec?

If a partys whole platform is breaking up the best place to live on Earth ( IMHO ) then what is treason? I dunno, I'm just sick of seeing them...... They make me sick.
****ing rights they should lose their Federal status, and I think theres a subsidy involved with getting votes too........ So basically the Federal Government is funding the Bloc to convince people to seperate. How nice.
Worst thing is Alberta would probably benefit the most from separation lol, but I'm sure you guys are already aware of that....... But you'll probably be the newest State before that.

[faller]

Don't quote me 100% on this but if memory serves Quebec is constitutionally in the right when they say they want to separate. We may not like it especially like you said rob, "breaking up the best place to live on Earth" is hard to accept...

Someone here must have more knowledge on this...

[cog]

If a partys whole platform is breaking up the best place to live on Earth ( IMHO ) then what is treason? I dunno, I'm just sick of seeing them...... They make me sick.
****ing rights they should lose their Federal status, and I think theres a subsidy involved with getting votes too........ So basically the Federal Government is funding the Bloc to convince people to seperate. How nice.
Worst thing is Alberta would probably benefit the most
from separation lol, but I'm sure you guys are already aware of that....... But you'll probably be the newest State before that.

You can't deny people the right to vote because you don't like their position...IIRC,it's 14 billion we send each year,8 goes to Quebec.

[cog]

I can see the Conservatives having to play nice with the NDP.Harper can't stand Iggy and there is no way he is negotiating with the Bloc...

[cog]

The NDP is making things interesting in Quebec,who knows,it could spread.

[faller]

who knows,it could spread.

Cancer's usually do....

[natenator]

Cancer's usually do....

Hahahahah

[cog]

Many people in the east are just never going to vote for Harper no matter what.Looks like we are in for another round of floundering in increasing debt.It's going to continue until what?...bankers backed by some kind of NWO types tell us that we no longer own our resources,or that we have to follow some strict guidelines?People used to make fun of Italy's spaghetti parliament...

[O-Train]

lol...the NDP has become a metastatic party :). Last NDP commercial I saw Layton was going after Iggy for his poor attendance records. I guess politics are in the same category as love and war.

[mouth]

Is it possible to vote for Layton's mustache?

[ironwill]

Thats funny...CC and i were just talking of how embarrassed that we are not knowing much on the new electoral base.....I guess we arent alone....i said i feel like im turning American, I can barely remember who the PM is somedays....lol....They sure arent making a deal of this one...

[faller]

Is it possible to vote for Layton's mustache?

If we can i'm voteing for him! :welldone

[rob66679]

Many people in the east are just never going to vote for Harper no matter what.Looks like we are in for another round of floundering in increasing debt.It's going to continue until what?...bankers backed by some kind of NWO types tell us that we no longer own our resources,or that we have to follow some strict guidelines?People used to make fun of Italy's spaghetti parliament...

We don't trust him for good reasons, he's made some pretty negative remarks about us in the past & he tried to screw us ( did screw us ) on the Atlantic Accord.
Doesn't help either that 99% of what is now the Conservative Party was once the Reform Party either..... Looks like Laytons going to give Harper his majority though.

Theres certain Conservative values I can appreciate, but his unwillingness to answer questions that are not pre-screened, his MP's talking about reopening social issues like abortion, his contempt of Parliment..... Theres a part of him that really scares a lot of people here.
Its not so much that we favor any other party as much as fear him lol.

I think a party thats supposed to be the financially responsible one should aim higher than a 2015 balanced budget too lol...... I know the Libs hacked healthcare to death, and pretty much turned EI into a form of taxation, but they did balance things kinda...... Harper is looking at 10 strait years of being in a deficit if his platform holds true, and back when he took power the economy was red hot...... He's not being forthcoming how he's going to balance things either........ Not that anybody else is any better, just pointing it out lol.......

[cog]

And we also know the other parties forced him into a deeper deficit...just what do you propose is the solution with Iggy and Layton promising the sun and just having to watch the flowers grow:)?Just how do you see this turning around with Quebec constantly looking at more programs which they don't have to pay for themselves,the far north being a constant drain,Ontario now in a precarious position...out here in Alberta we see exactly what the plan is....Stalin had something similar in mind with the Ukrainians...sorry if it sounds harsh,but all I see is a scenario that will eventually(soon) have people really fed up and exasperated....

[mouth]

And we also know the other parties forced him into a deeper deficit...just what do you propose is the solution with Iggy and Layton promising the sun and just having to watch the flowers grow:)?Just how do you see this turning around with Quebec constantly looking at more programs which they don't have to pay for themselves,the far north being a constant drain,Ontario now in a precarious position...out here in Alberta we see exactly what the plan is....Stalin had something similar in mind with the Ukrainians...sorry if it sounds harsh,but all I see is a scenario that will eventually(soon) have people really fed up and exasperated....

I'm sorry...I don't understand what you're saying. Are you voting for Stalin?

[bcaamuscle]

Many people in the east are just never going to vote for Harper no matter what.Looks like we are in for another round of floundering in increasing debt.It's going to continue until what?...bankers backed by some kind of NWO types tell us that we no longer own our resources,or that we have to follow some strict guidelines?People used to make fun of Italy's spaghetti parliament...

Would people in the east have ever voted for the Reform Party..? I'd rather vote for the Bloc.

[cog]

I'm sorry...I don't understand what you're saying. Are you voting for Stalin?

Very funny.No,take a look at your 20 th century history.Stalin was willing to bleed the Ukrainians dry in order to meet his grain quotas in the industrial heartland.Iggy and Layton are ready to gamble the golden goose to meet their objectives of buying votes in the east.Don't count on Newfoundland to stick around to finance things.The point being,as long as Ontario and Quebec treat all the other provinces as the ROC,there will be the threat of a breakup.But if somebody would rather vote for the Bloc,it doesn't matter in any event.

[cog]

Would people in the east have ever voted for the Reform Party..? I'd rather vote for the Bloc.

Conservatives aren't the Reform party.Harper has made it clear there will be no opening of the debates on abortion.Just what is it that's important to you anyway,or is it just a trendy social thing not to vote for Harper?

[mouth]

Conservatives aren't the Reform party.Harper has made it clear there will be no opening of the debates on abortion.Just what is it that's important to you anyway,or is it just a trendy social thing not to vote for Harper?

yes...it's a trendy social thing. that's why folk don't want to vote for harper. lol...it has NOTHING to do with them disagreeing with anything he says or stands for ;)

you're right though...the conservatives aren't the reform party. just like layton and iggy aren't stalin ;)

[cog]

yes...it's a trendy social thing. that's why folk don't want to vote for harper. lol...it has NOTHING to do with them disagreeing with anything he says or stands for ;)

you're right though...the conservatives aren't the reform party. just like layton and iggy aren't stalin ;)
IIRC,you previously said you weren't sure what it was about him?

[faller]

Would people in the east have ever voted for the Reform Party..? I'd rather vote for the Bloc.

Lol, i've been to New Brunswick, might as well have been in QC.

[rob66679]

Conservatives aren't the Reform party.Harper has made it clear there will be no opening of the debates on abortion.Just what is it that's important to you anyway,or is it just a trendy social thing not to vote for Harper?

I have to disagree with you there, when they merged I think the old Conservative party had like 2 seats.......... One of Harpers Candidates in Sask I think just had a reference to fetus rights get leaked, where he basically stated once a majority happens Conservatives would be in a position to reopen that issue. If that guy actually has a real clue, who knows.

[cog]

I have to disagree with you there, when they merged I think the old Conservative party had like 2 seats.......... One of Harpers Candidates in Sask I think just had a reference to fetus rights get leaked, where he basically stated once a majority happens Conservatives would be in a position to reopen that issue. If that guy actually has a real clue, who knows.

I thought the guy was complaining to Harper.The old guard has no sway,the conservatives are in the center,that's where the votes are.Harper has made it clear but the Press keeps dogging him.There is only one real agenda,and that is to get those ****ers in the CBC that think they answer to nobody...

[rob66679]

And we also know the other parties forced him into a deeper deficit...just what do you propose is the solution with Iggy and Layton promising the sun and just having to watch the flowers grow:)?Just how do you see this turning around with Quebec constantly looking at more programs which they don't have to pay for themselves,the far north being a constant drain,Ontario now in a precarious position...out here in Alberta we see exactly what the plan is....Stalin had something similar in mind with the Ukrainians...sorry if it sounds harsh,but all I see is a scenario that will eventually(soon) have people really fed up and exasperated....

I don't think there is any real responsible solution that doesn't require raising taxes unfortunately, even with a majority Harper can't balance the budget just by cutting the waste that he can't even identify.

I understand that raising taxes at the end of a recession probably doesn't help create jobs, but Bush took trickle down economics to the extreme and at the end of his Presidency there was a net gain of zero new jobs over 8 years ( so I have read anyways ).

I can understand how you guys see it, right now your in the drivers seat and basically supporting a lot of BS with your tax dollars.
Wasn't always that way though, and someday it will swing back again....... Oil is worth more than fish these days lol.

[cog]

A lot of people forget that Nova Scotia was the trade center,and IIRC,funded the railroad.Confederation killed them...Newfs are getting some attitude...

[cog]

IIRC,you previously said you weren't sure what it was about him?

My apologies.You were not sure who you were going to vote for.

[mouth]

IIRC,you previously said you weren't sure what it was about him?

I was talking about Iggy (at least I thought I was). There's just something about that guy that I don't trust. Harper, I KNOW why I disagree with him. Sorry if that wasn't clear or, if I got it backwards. lol....

[cog]

I was talking about Iggy (at least I thought I was). There's just something about that guy that I don't trust. Harper, I KNOW why I disagree with him. Sorry if that wasn't clear or, if I got it backwards. lol....

Iggy has implied that he was American and voted in Britain,he at first denied this.Layton has a plan to tax business.A few years back a former Liberal MP named Paul Hellyer wrote a book(can't remember the name)subject matter being the difference between small and medium sized outfits and the large international ones.He argued that they should be treated differently,and I agree.when you have an army of accountants jogging things and end up paying a 100k taxes on billions in revenue something is wrong.Accountants and lawyers are the two biggest crooks.

[faller]

Accountants and lawyers are the two biggest crooks.

Only when they work for XYZ corporation = bad,,,, when they work for me they save me money = good??. :p

[cog]

Only when they work for XYZ corporation = bad,,,, when they work for me they save me money = good??. :p

Internationals .Foreign flagged shipping like Paul Martin did,after lecturing us about paying our fair share.

[rob66679]

A lot of people forget that Nova Scotia was the trade center,and IIRC,funded the railroad.Confederation killed them...Newfs are getting some attitude...

People in NS didn't forget, good to see some guys in the West that didn't forget either.

[rob66679]

Internationals .Foreign flagged shipping like Paul Martin did,after lecturing us about paying our fair share.

Legal or not, IMHO what Martin did and a lot of others is wrong.
Kinda seems the way things are going though, along with free trade..... Other than cheap Chinese shit from wall-mart, how are we benefitting from free trade again?
It sure as hell is killing all of our middle class manufacturing jobs............ Killing the middle class IMHO.

[cog]

Legal or not, IMHO what Martin did and a lot of others is wrong.
Kinda seems the way things are going though, along with free trade..... Other than cheap Chinese shit from wall-mart, how are we benefitting from free trade again?
It sure as hell is killing all of our middle class manufacturing jobs............ Killing the middle class IMHO.

I have read that what John Turner predicted has mostly come true.It allowed foreign capital to purchase a lot of assets here.But that potash outfit in Sask got turned down?We still get regular challenges from the Americans on lumber and cattle...I saw this interview,can't remember which show,talking to this fat bearded guy with glasses and a heavy accent,they are discussing some South American country,the fat guy says,once there can be investment,then there will be trade.Translation:Once we can buy everything then you get some jobs and we make all the money.

[faller]

.Translation:Once we can buy everything then you get some jobs and we make all the money.

And this is a bad thing?

Here's been my life's experience, there are two organizations that have, and still do on occasion, make it difficult or have made it impossible to support my family or extorted my hard earned money for no other reason than because that is what they do, unions and Government..(no i'm not debating this with you Bam :bighug)

There is one "organization" that has continually fed my family, bought my house, opened a savings account ect.ect.ect,, the evil Corporation.

My monies on the corporations every time...

[cog]

I consider it not the greatest if all we get are jobs from our resources.Faller,how would you consider the performance of the country versus Germany?And I would like to see all the factors listed that contribute to our productivity being apparently lower than the worst American state...Mississipi.

[cog]

And are we just being used as a giant cold storage locker for resources?

[mouth]

Iggy has implied that he was American and voted in Britain,he at first denied this.Layton has a plan to tax business.A few years back a former Liberal MP named Paul Hellyer wrote a book(can't remember the name)subject matter being the difference between small and medium sized outfits and the large international ones.He argued that they should be treated differently,and I agree.when you have an army of accountants jogging things and end up paying a 100k taxes on billions in revenue something is wrong.Accountants and lawyers are the two biggest crooks.

Are you saying that taxing a business is wrong?

I agree that a large business should be treated differently than small ones however, they, IMO, should both pay taxes!

[cog]

Are you saying that taxing a business is wrong?

I agree that a large business should be treated differently than small ones however, they, IMO, should both pay taxes!

Of course both should pay.But just upping CPP contributions will likely just come out of my bottom line.And the same for large corporations.But large internationals have far more options to jiggle their bottom line here,such as upping what they pay the parent corporation or head office for various fees.Accounting is the wild west.From the experience of Bob Rae being premier of Ontario,I don't have very much faith that a NDP gov would handle things correctly.Unless their agenda is much larger then what they are telling us.Has Bob Rae been hiding this election?Ontario still has debt that he incurred,with nothing to show for it.He was a disaster.

[faller]

I consider it not the greatest if all we get are jobs from our resources.Faller,how would you consider the performance of the country versus Germany?And I would like to see all the factors listed that contribute to our productivity being apparently lower than the worst American state...Mississipi.

No idea cog.. I'm no where near sophisticated enough to even begin to understand, and honestly, i just don't care...

But i do have a grasp on my little world,. I am very aware of the hand that feeds me, i am also very aware of the hand poised to strike me if i don't do what i'm told.. Shit all over the corporations if it makes people feel better but be aware of this, we need them, they do not need us...

I'm out, a great man died last night, my father inlaw,, Going to be away for a while..

[natenator]

I'm out, a great man died last night, my father inlaw,, Going to be away for a while..

Sorry to hear that.

[Talo]

Take care , bro. All the best to you and your family.

[O-Train]

So if the current stats are accurate it looks like there will be another minority Conservative government with the NDP being the biggest opposition party. Looks like the Liberals may very well slide into third place. Is everyone going to go out and vote and/or already have?

[cog]

Certainly going to vote.If Iggy comes third,look for Trudeau to take his place.

[BMac]

have already voted

[cog]

Toronto cop says Layton found in a chinatown bawdy house in 96.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca

[cog]

On the CBC today Jack says it's a smear job,he was doing nothing wrong,the girl was a registered massage therapist.No wonder they can't shake their image.

[O-Train]

Yeah no kidding. Especially considering how much documentation the police still have.


On the CBC today Jack says it's a smear job,he was doing nothing wrong,the girl was a registered massage therapist.No wonder they can't shake their image.

[cog]

Are there any Shiatsu massage therapists on this board?maybe there is something we don't understand?:o

[rob66679]

Yeah no kidding. Especially considering how much documentation the police still have.

You have to consider the source here......... Sun isn't exactly unbiased.
Whoever leaked that is looking at a breach of trust charge too...... Dirty politics at its ugly best, gotta love it.

[cog]

I take it you don't welcome the free flow of information from the Sunnewsnetwork rob?Tass maybe?Actually used to enjoy the English language version on shortwave in the 80's.

[cog]

Looks like Duceppe and maybe Iggy are going to lose their seats.

[Talo]

Majority !!!

[cog]

Beat me to it!

[natenator]

Booya!

[BMac]

This is awesome!

[cog]

Iggy resigns.

[Talo]

He said he won't leave unless he is asked.

The best thing to come out of this is that the block is dead.

[cog]

My bad.But he will be gone.

[cog]

Duceppe resigns

[cog]

Iggy loses his seat.