Getting a physique like a pro

[bossman_1986]

Of course having diet, training and enough rest, the lifestyle has to be in check, but is it possible to get a physique like a pro using these 4 drugs: test, deca, eq, tbol??

[Mr.Freeze]

What will get you pro is not the drugs but much more the genetic.

[Feenom]

And a bit of help from Slin & HGH.

[Praetorian]

Here you go...the plain truth by an IFBB pro.
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HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince

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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:

1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)

NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.

And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.

Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of shit!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!

Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exacty pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of shit"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.

Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"

[bossman_1986]

ok let me re-phrase this question: Do you think the pro's could have gotten the physiques they have now from only using: test, deca, eq, tbol??

[Sean Summers]

Of course. Why? It's all about genetics.

[Praetorian]

Contrary to popular belief many guys have turned pro without ever touching GH or slin...and their dosages of aas would be considered quite moderate compared to some guys on the internet boards who are barely 200lbs off season. The pros can get away with many things a regular guy cannot...they can train less intensely even with incorrect form(and they do), they can get away with less than stellar nutrition...many don't even understand nutrition and use a guru to tell them what to eat, they can use minimal dosages and even miss injections, and still they will look incredible....why....GENETICS....this is the common denominator amongst professional athletes including BB's and this is what allows them to make the gains they do. If you want to turn pro and have less the perfect genetics such as they...be prepared to work extremely hard, make very little mistakes, have perfect nutrition and understand the difference, completely understand each drug used within BB competition, how it works, how it is affected by other aas, what to use and when, how to maintain muscle while recovering, etc as well not missing training sessions, not missing meals, not missing sleep, not partying, eliminate drinking, eliminate other curricular activities..ie hockey, skiing, etc and do all this for MANY YEARS....not weeks or months, or a year or two...99.999% of guys are not willing to do this and thus will tend to blame their inability on things like....not using the huge amounts of gear the pros do, or not using slin and 30ius of GH like the pros...or never coming off like the pros...you've heard it many times.
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[pacificx]

Great post, I try telling this to people all the time and all they say is, "it's the amount of gear you are on"... If that were the case we would all be 300+ lbs with abs...

[japh]

Haha yeah there are a lot of guys on gear these day. I'm shocked to find out who is on gear at my gym after looking at them while reviewing their knowledge and work ethic. It is absolutely retarded!

I agree with genetics being number 1. I've seen what good genetics can do. It is completely unfair and most people are not aware of this because these people are .1% of the population if that.

I have and old buddy from highschool who is a needle junkie smashing cocaine into his arm and not eating or sleeping for days. He walks around at 180lbs with abs at 5'9" He looks like a slightly bigger GSP. Nothing special I know but everytime he goes to jail for 6 months he comes out at 230lbs with abs and full muscle bellies. He doesn't know how to train or eat properly. He coud diet and compete as a light-heavyweight after that if he wanted natural. He has good genetics. Instead he goes back to cocaine. Nobody would believe the transformation unless they saw it with their own eyes like me. Thats why there are haters out there that say it's all about the drugs.

[cog]

Genetics for sure.But OP is talking top tier pro physique?Wasn't there a mod on a major board (with maybe a vested interest)telling the "truth" about pros 5 or 6 months ago?Just saying...

[Praetorian]

There are many pros and many take loads of gear, never go off, etc etc yes (mostly out of fear that their competitors are doing this...not because it is necessary)....this is not the argument here nor is it being disputed. The point being that genetics is number one when it comes to becoming a pro...NOT what drugs you do. I know many pros and what they run for cycles...you'd be surprised.
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[bossman_1986]

post them :D

[Praetorian]

50mg winstol EOD and 100mg prop daily...12 week contest prep...no gh just some clen.
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[ubcpower]

The above cycle is close to what Lee Priest said he took, bit of test and some winny for his contest prep, all low dose too. Of course all the haters on the boards blew him up and cried liar

[Praetorian]

There are some pretty famous guys who prepare some pros for shows and the first thing they do is cut the guys dose almost in half.
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[pacificx]

Example, my old trainer who is a pro NOLVA, WINNNY, TNT.... It just proves that gear is not everything... GENETICES, DIET, TRAINING...

[fathead]

i think we have to look at this question carefully. can you make pro status without using those things? sure. could the current pros (top pros) have the EXACT same physiques they do right now without using gh/slin/etc i dont think so. bodybuilders do not look like the same species that they did years ago and they arent JUST training smarter or eating more. I do think peptides has changed the look of the modern bodybuilder at the elite level.

[blp]

seriously you will believe ,,, nah ,,, not me ,, it all hormone plain n simple ,, why a elephant so big eating peanuts ,, hormone ,,

indeed genetic ,, is first ,,, anyone can be a monster with shitload of cash ,, but not anyone can be a pretty monster , palumbo vs dexter

look at warren skin ,, tren almost years basis n halo ,, guy look 50 yo at 30 ,,, you tel me he does 100mg prop a day ? look phil health ballon arms www.aslicksheen.com

pro use slin at every meal pre contest ,,, why ? look at coleman or kay waist ,, keto your in condition but carb + slin on every meal til contest day a la hany rambod make mr olympia

3 gr enan years basis + genetic + money + like gh15 wrote ,, goin off it' loosing time ,,

why nubian was so popular because take tren n masteron for long time n u will hav n choice ,,

if you believe th american pro lie it's to make you believe at 1000mg prop + 5 ui you be cutler

th truth is not so pretty and me i love the fact that his extreme



i did try high of about evrything in past haha ,, nothing had bring quality so much has hgh ,,
5UI doesnt so much you adapt quickly ,, try 18 ui a day ,, and call me in few weeks

why all th prostitution , why th porn , why all g4p , hgh expense ,, even tom price did modelling for colt 26077

why troy alves did not go olympia ,, lack of money

hany , aceto , oscar garden dont do small cycle

i wont be pro because i cant do this , genetic made you save money ,, but if you dont have th craziness you dont go far either

th day th pro will say the truth th career is done 4 ever

arnold did look awesome ,, but he never changed either ,, he' keep same mass for years

you look at great winklaar , what he' look like now n when he was amateur ,, genetic or gh ,,

i use tons of gh and if i had th money i will use more ,, way to go ,, haha at least for me ,,

[JonnyO]

seriously you will believe ,,, nah ,,, not me ,, it all hormone plain n simple ,, why a elephant so big eating peanuts ,, hormone ,,

indeed genetic ,, is first ,,, anyone can be a monster with shitload of cash ,, but not anyone can be a pretty monster , palumbo vs dexter

look at warren skin ,, tren almost years basis n halo ,, guy look 50 yo at 30 ,,, you tel me he does 100mg prop a day ? look phil health ballon arms www.aslicksheen.com

pro use slin at every meal pre contest ,,, why ? look at coleman or kay waist ,, keto your in condition but carb + slin on every meal til contest day a la hany rambod make mr olympia

3 gr enan years basis + genetic + money + like gh15 wrote ,, goin off it' loosing time ,,

why nubian was so popular because take tren n masteron for long time n u will hav n choice ,,

if you believe th american pro lie it's to make you believe at 1000mg prop + 5 ui you be cutler

th truth is not so pretty and me i love the fact that his extreme



i did try high of about evrything in past haha ,, nothing had bring quality so much has hgh ,,
5UI doesnt so much you adapt quickly ,, try 18 ui a day ,, and call me in few weeks

why all th prostitution , why th porn , why all g4p , hgh expense ,, even tom price did modelling for colt 26077

why troy alves did not go olympia ,, lack of money

hany , aceto , oscar garden dont do small cycle

i wont be pro because i cant do this , genetic made you save money ,, but if you dont have th craziness you dont go far either

th day th pro will say the truth th career is done 4 ever

arnold did look awesome ,, but he never changed either ,, he' keep same mass for years

you look at great winklaar , what he' look like now n when he was amateur ,, genetic or gh ,,

i use tons of gh and if i had th money i will use more ,, way to go ,, haha at least for me ,,

Thanks for keeping it REAL, no decent pro is going to make it taking a bit of winny, prop and clen. NONE! And if you turn pro taking just that then you are a genetic anomaly and the SKY IS THE LIMIT...Even Hernon says the guy who takes the most gear wins.

[Praetorian]

i think we have to look at this question carefully. can you make pro status without using those things? sure. could the current pros (top pros) have the EXACT same physiques they do right now without using gh/slin/etc i dont think so. bodybuilders do not look like the same species that they did years ago and they arent JUST training smarter or eating more. I do think peptides has changed the look of the modern bodybuilder at the elite level.

100% exact...the question was NOT would the pros look like they do not without GH/slin, etc....the question was the common denominator in BB is genetics NOT drugs. If you truly believe it is drugs then you will NEVER make it period. Yes some pros take loads of stuff ive said this before and some dont come off etc etc this is common knowledge but that os NOT the question here. The question is could some guys turn pro using minimum stuff....and the SIMPLE answer is yes and it has happened many time. Both Ronnie Coleman and Lee Haney got their pro card WITHOUT gear...read that again guys...WITHOUT!!! Why because they have inhuman genetics...add gear and you have a multiple Mr O....its not friggin rocket science!!! Too many guys NEED to believe its gear because they cannot face reality....reality is a bitch if you werent handed the best genetics...but unfortunately thats life deal with it!
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[Praetorian]

Thanks for keeping it REAL, no decent pro is going to make it taking a bit of winny, prop and clen. NONE! And if you turn pro taking just that then you are a genetic anomaly and the SKY IS THE LIMIT...Even Hernon says the guy who takes the most gear wins.

Sorry thats not keeping it real thats simply not facing reality....ive seen guys turn pro on minimum stuff...the question is NOT would the guys look like they do today without GH, slin etc...believe what you like that is a plain FACT!
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PS. if its all about the amount of gear...Dorian trained with the same training partner (Leroy Davis) for years during his Olympia domination...Leroy did the same training, the same diet, the same cycle as Dorian...why then wasn't he even close to being a Pro while Dorian was 6 time Mr O? Ill tell you why GENETICS...plain and simple!

[z83]

http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm

[Praetorian]

http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm

Again yes some idiots take loads and loads of stuff, dont come off, have health issue etc...look at Craig Titus...one of the worst abusers...but that doesnt PROVE anything except some guys needs tonnes of gear where others dont...its quite simple the better genetics you have the less gear you need...people love to read sensationalist articles etc....just like the bullshit article on Andreas Munzers cycles....that just perpetuates the misconception that the biggest guys use the most gear etc...what a load of crap. This is basically being misinformed because you are not privy to the actual facts...time to start thinking instead of following blindly.
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[blp]

Article by Paul Borrenson
The following article was written by the late Paul Borrenson. .

Does the human race not strive for the security of mediocrity. It takes courage to stand out, to be different. To be controversial. Here I am perhaps a controversial amongst controversial's. Nobody would notice you if you where small. I guess you can live with a little attention.

Nobody is going to notice me if I rehash other peoples ideas. Guess I can live with that. I have worked hard for more than a decade coaching and learning to get to where I am now. I have pretty much personally experienced everything I write about. If I cannot defend it I will not say it.

If you have the knowledge to make you a 200 LB man then a 230 LB man will have controversial things to say and all the little 200 LB people will criticize the lone 230 LOB person. This is simply an extension of the drive for mediocrity.
Neitzce said:

THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE THE WEAKNESS OF A MANS PERSONALITY BY THE AMOUNT OF CRITISISM THAT COMES FROM HIS MOUTH.

I moved to a new house in country with my wife and children. Bought myself that Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppy and completed The Stack Book. I finally managed to read The History Of Western Philosophy after 3 years, trained ate, slept and attended to my business.

I imagine a dog with a bowl of chicken happily eating its food when three other dogs come along and start growling. They want the food. If the dog looks up from its meal and growls back at one of the dogs the other two will move in and steal the food.

The dog with the chicken needs to keep his head down and continue eating. Eventually the other dogs will start fighting amongst themselves or move onto another potential victim.

This is an important lesson. If you are to truly succeed as a bodybuilder then you need to keep your eyes well and truly focused on your bowl of food. Focus, do not let things distract you from achieving your objectives. Before we get into hard core use of pharmaceuticals lets agree for the thousandth time that you have to eat every couple of hours, consume plenty of quality protein, train your butt off in the gym. Go to bed early each night.

Success is about being a participator rather than a spectator in your own life. Successful people do not stay up all night wrapped up in mindless gossip. They eat and get to bed.
From a platform of doing the basics we can open our eyes and our minds to untold possibilities. Scary stuff for the uninitiated. Remember the first time you injected yourself.

Scary at the time and now you probably think nothing of it. Well, perhaps it is time to scare you again.

Extreme dose use of anabolic steroids does occur. It was inevitable given the mentality of us bodybuilders. I talk daily to people using 1- 5 grams a week. Not just the odd person hundred of people.

I am not advocating such use. However, I will tell you how it is done.

First it is not done all the time. It is a now and then stack to blast through sticking points. I am a part of a scientific study at The University Of South Glamorgan in Cardiff. WE are looking at long term steroid users and assessing their health over many parameters. The people that have injured themselves are the people that stay on small to moderate doses all of the time. Later in the year Fergal Grace and myself with have a few papers published supporting my claim.

I believe but do not as yet have the scientific evidence to support me that. High dose short duration cycles are much less harmful than longer moderate or even low dose courses.

I propose 15 - 30 day cycles with doses 1,000 mg a day.

Understand this, a course of this magnitude will produce rapid tissue gain and contradict much of what you currently believe. The possibility of it will attacked by skinny old men an ex champions alike. I say this, unless you have tried it do not knock it.

You are not going to hurt yourself in 25 days. If you keep a watch for the danger signs such as rising blood pressure you can make appropriate adjustments as you go along. After such a stack I would have 15 days clear. The stack should be designed in such as way that the gear eliminates as the off period begins.
I would then do a consolidation programme low dose. Under 1 mg per kg bodyweight per day for 6 weeks. The cycle logic I proposed in my first book The Anabolic Edge. Then I would have a 30 day break.

I believe that breaks longer than 30 days are unproductive. However, not having the breaks at all is downright stupid.
In our new book The Stack Book (the alpha session) Bill and I have a 10 point countdown before starting any programme let alone a big one.

Preparation is everything. I imagine an airplane ready to take off. It starts up it engine, taxis out onto the run way and builds up speed. All the while the pilot initiates pre-flight checks. If anything is wrong the plane aborts.

Too often we rush into programmes without adequate preparation and the plan comes crashing down.
Health matters. Sick people cannot possibly grow. So, if you are going to seriously have a crack at one of my short duration high dose programmes do the preflight checks first.

PREFLIGHT CHECKS COUNTDOWN TO THE STACKS?????..

10.
Diet is good: lots of protein, balanced nutrition, not an entirely liquid diet. Any protein supplements, not whey alone, but blends of different isolates.

9.
Getting plenty of quality rest. A good 8 hours every night. If not, then this could be the first pharmaceutical step you should consider. Something to help you sleep. Once you go on a stack this will get even harder. Unless you sleep well, in which case leave well alone, augment your sleep with a safe option.
Absolutely never use GHB?

This is no bodybuilding drug and has screwed up more people that Cannabis and Nubain put together. I despise all of these drugs. I was once addicted to nubain and it crept up on me and swallowed me whole for a while.
GHB does stimulate serotonin and this makes for a little GH production, but it stimulates considerably more cortisol and this makes for the big muscle shrink.

I prefer a simple benzodiazapene taken intermittently to avoid the possibility of dependence. Twice or three times a week when you really need it. Products of choice are -
Lorazepam 50mg aka Seresta, aka oxazepan.
Diazepam 10-15 mg.
Nitrazepam 50mg.

Tamazipam lingers the next day too much.
Another possibility is a good hypnotic which puts you to sleep but wears off once you are in deep sleep. These are non-addictive.

Zopiclone
Benzo's are the world's ultimate GH stimulators as well. You must be careful to not take them then go out. Be strict on yourself and have deliberate nights when you do and do not use them. I use them after back and legs.

Stay away from the latest Hypnoval craze, you lose time on this drug and do not use Nubain under any circumstances, it is insidious and horrible and has ruined more bodybuilders than I can remember.

8.
There is no point starting the stack if you cannot get to the gym over the next few weeks. Select a stack that is appropriate to your imminent lifestyle. Likewise, if you are injured or your wife is about to have a baby. Think before you launch before you press the fire button on the stack rocket. Are all systems go ?

7.
Health. Are you ill ? If so, is it something that will clear up with a good course of antibiotics ? Remember, a gear course will first drop your immune system, so if you are sick now you will be worse shortly after and this will crash the rocket.

Most infections can easily be killed off using a course of antibiotics. Indeed there is the high possibility that you are low grade. What do I mean by this ?

Low grade means that you carry a virus in your body at a level, which your immune system can control but it cannot put out the fire.
A good friend of mine called Mick had not gained for two years. He was unmotivated, having problems sleeping and feeling very low.

I studied his blood test and I suspected that he was low grade, his thyroid was low to mid-normal and his globulin was elevated, a clear sign of someone fighting an infection.
Mick took Inosine Pranobex for 20 days, 4 tablets a day. He has gained over 40 LB in the year since and his life changed within a week for the better. He had been low grade.

Inosine Pranobex fortifies the immune system against viral infection and I use a course twice a year or if I am run down cannot shake off a virus.
For general bacterial infections antibiotics are a must.

My preferences are: Doxycyline, 100mg per day.
Otherwise amoxicillin 3 times, 500mg per day combined with tetracycline which kills one particular anaerobe that amoxicillin cannot get.
For abscesses, you cannot beat Augmentin, which is far superior to fluhroxicillin; the cheaper alternative.

6.
Finances: be sure that you can afford the stack you are about to undertake. There is no point over-stretching yourself and not having enough money to eat. I believe that the runway ahead should be clear from the start. I like to have everything I am going to need ready in my special cupboard at the start. This way you can always build little pyramids with the gearboxes and castles with the protein tubs.

5.
Remove All demotivators. There are things that will bring our rocket down onto the ground . For the most part these are optional wrong choices that we are making in our daily lives and these must be eliminated immediately if we are truly hardcore and really going for the finish line. Cannabis is one of the worst drugs for bodybuilding that I can think of.

It is the single most potent demotivator. Do not tell me that it stimulates androgen production or that it chills you out. I have seen a cannabis addict tear up his floorboards looking for something he had hidden.
Cannabis produces oestrogen, fact of life.

Cannabis negatively affects the part of the mind that motivates us into taking action. It makes you do nothing when you should do something. Its users are prone to mood swings, irrational behavior, temper tantrums and worst of all a higher chance of bacterial infections.
Nubain. Second worst on the list.

This is an opiate and single handedly destroyed an enormous section of British bodybuilding. It creeps up slowly on the users until they get needle frenzy and all the other aspects of an addiction .

I personally needed a week in detox to get rid of this stuff. Which is the only time I have been in detox, but it shows the extent of the Nubain problem. I entered with innocence thinking all those years ago that it suppressed my cortisol levels. It took me in, chewed me up and spat me out and I was still kicking and screaming.

GHB. Of late many people are getting GHB addiction and they are harder to deal with than straight heroin addicts. The users cannot feel good, no matter what they do, because they cannot produce enough seretonin. It appears that the damage is permanent and the only possible way back once you are really hooked is methadone.

People started having little sips throughout the day, which makes them, feel positive and more confident. This is similar to a cocaine addiction in perception and considerably worse because there is a genuine physical dependence with GHB.

ALCOHOL?.The most obvious demotivator. I am not against the odd drink, but if you are going on a course and taking the risks involved there is no place for drinking.

4.
Even the best-laid plans of men can go wrong. Commit yourself now to your plan and be prepared to make adjustments. Have definite goals for what you are about to do. You should know where you should be at any given time or date. If you fall behind you must know how the stack works and why it works and make the appropriate adjustment.

Chart your course, navigate the way ahead and you will be on course, stay on course and arrive at your destination.

3.
POSITIVE ATTITUDE?..Be wary of people that will try to throw your rocket off course. Often these will be those closest to you. I find it better to keep quiet about what I am doing until I have done it. Negative people and negative thoughts must be thrown overboard right now.

2.
SUPPORT SYSTEMS. I rely heavily on my family and they enable me to realize all that I achieve and succeed in. Even the writing of this book, right now my wife is keeping the children happy in the other room. This is a part of my support system. My friend Kevin is collecting me for training in an hour, My staff help take phone calls so that I can write the book. These support systems are vital and you need to know and plan to make sure they are all "on-line".

1.
If everything goes wrong be prepared to make a conscious decision to abort early. If you fall ill or your dog gets sick and you cannot leave his side, then stop immediately regroup and start again later. The decision to abort should be made earlier rather than later. Do not press on regardless if the plane is going to come down, land now, not later.

Of course with all being well this will not be the case.

EXAMPLE OF A HIGH DOSE SHORT DURATION STACK

18 DAYS IN A MASSAGE PARLOUR STACK
This is a sophisticated stack and I wrote it for a current Mr. Universe to enable this person to gain more mass over the Christmas period. We use this stack on the back of a successful period of gains after competition. This is the second course for Mr. Universe since the show so his bodyweight has reached a plateau and something new and juicy is required to get things moving.

There is a need for oestrogen buffering firstly it is a good anti-catabolic strategy but also to keep control of the androgenic effects of the steroid aspects of this cycle.

EACH DAY:
40mg Tamoxifen
1 Diazide tablet
Armidex 2 times 2mg per day
ANABOLIC

Two simple strategies were used. Insulin in the form of 30 IU Insulinard taken first thing in the morning rising by 5 IU a day until the peak of 55 IU was achieved. This does deliver a large dose of rapid acting insulin in the first 90 minutes as Insulintard is 30 percent fast acting. For this reason Mr. universe has to eat directly after taken the shot and again an hour later.

Large meals with a total of 200 grams of carbohydrates which a 800 Kcals straight off.
Growth hormone taken in two microcyles throughout the 18 days of the cycle.
Days 5,6,7,8 4 IU each day take as two divided doses of 2 IU.

Days 12,13 8 IU taken as four divided doses of 2 IU
Also T3 at a small dose of 25 MCG a day was recommended. " days on one days off this is purely to increment metabolic activity.
THE ANTICATABOLIC ASPECT
We took 2 bottles of Capristan The real product. Both had 50 ML
ONLY AVAILABLE FROM MYSELF AT THE MOMENT.

We called them bottles A and B:

BOTTLE A
We added
20 ML Deca 2,00
20 ML Primo Depot
10 ML Test propionate

BOTTLE B
We added
20 Ml Testosterone Enanthate
20 Ml Sustanon
10 Ml Testosterone Propionate
This is how the course was structured. Remember this is a big man. Over 330 LB in good condition so you have to adjust accordingly?..

ALL SHOTS ARE LOCATED
DAYS 1- 5
10 Ml bottle A per day. Taken as 4 2.5 ML shots located.
DAYS 6-12
5 Ml bottle A and 5 Ml bottle B taken each day.
DAYS 13 - 18
10 Ml Bottle B taken each day??.

I hope that you enjoy my material and if my work is appreciated
Thank you for the support and I look forward to flying to South Carolina later in the year for the hardest hitting seminar, we will try to stop the world from going round that day. I also have an on-line seminar coming up and if you watch the pages of this magazine they will keep you posted. Whatever you do, don't let the human drive for mediocrity slow you down. Decide for yourself.

PAUL R BORRESEN



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Borrensson who work with Dorian yates , 1000mg front loading cycle

Mean = dorian no genetics ?

Nah ... Mean Dorian invincible

[Praetorian]

Here is the real cycle, for the 97 Olympia from the mouth of Chris Street, former science editor for FLEX magazine.

Week 14

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 13

400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 12

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 11

300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 10

200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]

400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

25 mg/day methandrostenolone

0.70 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F

Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg

Week 9

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 8

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

3 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 7

152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate

4 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg

Week 6

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*

Week 5

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*

Week 4

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week 3

100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

500 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

100 mg/day mesterolone

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week 2

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week

100 mg/day mesterolone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week

100 mg/day Testosterone suspension

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

25 mg/day oxandrolone

5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*

Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia

50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week

100 mg/day mesterolone

100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday

100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday

600 mg/day testolactone

500 mg/day tolbutamide

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)

750 mg/day aminoglutethimide

Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)

Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*

Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*

*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone

I can attest to this because one of my best friends talks to Dorian on a weekly basis, traveled with Dorian throughout Southern Ontario doing the tour promoting Yates products, was invited to Vegas by Dorian to work his booth and attend the Olympia and was even introduced to Arnold through Dorian...what he said basically was along the same lines as the above.
***Remember this is not the cycle he used to turn pro...this is what he used during his final Olympia prep after years and years of training and cycling.

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[JonnyO]

A good friend of mine was privy to some of what Dorian used...he LOVED his Parabolan.

And fact of the matter is nobody really knows what these guys take and in what dosages. A guru may lay out a cycle for them whether that may be less or more than what they are used to, and whether they follow that or not only that competitor knows. The gear doesnt make the competitor, its a tool to be used or icing on the cake you can call it.

Better genetics, more gear = a bigger, better competitor plain and simple.

I have a hard time believing a super heavyweight pro used such little amounts, maybe Light heavy or middle or in 1978, but not a true Super in these days.

[Praetorian]

A good friend of mine was privy to some of what Dorian used...he LOVED his Parabolan.

And fact of the matter is nobody really knows what these guys take and in what dosages. A guru may lay out a cycle for them whether that may be less or more than what they are used to, and whether they follow that or not only that competitor knows. The gear doesnt make the competitor, its a tool to be used or icing on the cake you can call it.

Better genetics, more gear = a bigger, better competitor plain and simple.

I have a hard time believing a super heavyweight pro used such little amounts, maybe Light heavy or middle or in 1978, but not a true Super in these days.



Many many guys have a hard time believing what "some" of the pros use. The reason being is that they themselves require "alot" of gear to see any significant results. Why...because of the simple fact that unfortunately they were not blessed with the superior genetics that these pros were...thats just life and you can thank your parents for that. Also what most guys dont understand AAS as with any type of drug will only provide a maximum benefit up to a certain dosage...after that the gains are very very small and the side effects grow exponentially. So if you think you are going to get super huge because you are running 4-5g test per week think again...you will just get very sick as your body attempts to rid itself of much of the test. The guys with great genetics ie Dorian, Ronnie etc just never had to use crazy amounts of gear because they grew on moderate dosages. The huge amounts of gear you hear about are from guys using out of fear that their competitors are doing that and its really sad because it is unnecessary.
The common dosage for National level guys looking to turn pro is 1g test per week plus 600mg of an anabolic ie deca or EQ. Precontest tren is used generall y at 100mg EOD as well as masteron 100mg EOD and winstrol 50mg daily...4-6iu GH daily. Yes many guys take alot more...but also some guys take less and do just fine.
The point being drugs dont make the pro...genetics do...Dorians training partner is a prime example.
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[ubcpower]

JonnyO brings up a good point. At the end of the day unless someone is spending 24/7 with that person we will never know EXACTLY what someone takes behind closed doors. A lot of people lie, how many people have you known that use gear that will tell others that they use none.

[cog]

http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm

In the comments:"demand monster mass and a tiny waistline".This would go a long way towards making things more sane.

[blp]

It true that genetic can have myostatin advantage but it doesn't explain th pregnant guts at 4%BF , this only can be not th law of nature of genetics but th abuse of insulin

I think there's genetic which mine suck' , and there's drug tolerance

From all i know everyone abuse

I thought Ernie taylor triceps where real for a long time

Anyhow genetic or not , be crazy n don't give a **** , and care about result , blindness and animal

Help some cause

[blp]

Nowadays , hematologist check blood profile number and tel you what to do and th not what to do
To survive th edge lifestyle.. healthy

[Praetorian]

It true that genetic can have myostatin advantage but it doesn't explain th pregnant guts at 4%BF , this only can be not th law of nature of genetics but th abuse of insulin

I think there's genetic which mine suck' , and there's drug tolerance

From all i know everyone abuse

I thought Ernie taylor triceps where real for a long time

Anyhow genetic or not , be crazy n don't give a **** , and care about result , blindness and animal

Help some cause


The guts are generally seen on the super heavy guys which comes form the amount of food they eat and insulin..its also somewhat genetic.

Genetics has everything to do with BB...mine arent the best but I have been able to get quite far because I have been lucky enough to learn from a few of the tops guys in PL and BB for training and in nutrition and aas. Ive been lucky enough to train along side world class PL's as well as Pro BB and you tend to learn quick when doing this. Also I have a passion for the sport so I have probably read almost everything there is on BB(millions of pages in over 25 years) as well as studied biomechanics, physiology, bio chemistry, anatomy, nutrition etc If you dont understand the human body and how it works or reacts to specific stimulus you are at a severe disadvantage...my work ethic is also extremely high..ive trained at in Venice Golds, World Gym, Golds Las Vegas, PowerHouse etc where many top pros train and honestly there intensity is lacking to say the least. BUT thats the thing it really doesnt matter they have superior genetics and can get away with it.
Genetics also takes into account affinity for aas...most guys stop growing at 10-12 weeks...guys like Ronnie or Dorian grow continously...they just have a better affinity for the drugs...therefore less is required to get the job done. Here is an example....with regular guys we have say 3-4 little construction workers(genetics) inside our muscles...who go to work building muscle when we start to train and eat like a BB. Guys like Dorian are born with 7-8 little contruction workers(genetics) who build muscle...thus they are already at an advantage...now you add gear and regular guys will have say 5-6 little workers...however when Dorian adds gear he now has ten little workers...thats the difference....he doesnt need the amount of gear we do because he is already ahead...not to mention our little workers get tired very quickly and tend to go on strike...where Dorians little workers are not in the union and dont tire very easily so they keep on building.

Earnie Taylor has crazy triceps...that is pure genetics...no matter what other guys do they will never have tris like him....the same is true for for Pakulski's calves...you can take all the gear you want and youll never build calves like that...purely genetic.

Its not about being crazy and blindly doing anything...its about figuring out the correct way to do things and doing them in an optimal way to provide the maximum benefit while minimizes risk.

From Dave P

"Thanks for the compliment on the North America's. Actually, just because "I look so freaky", as you put it, does not mean I use extreme methods. I just use methods that work (big difference). If you ever spoke to me at a show or scheduled a private consultation, you would understand that BBing is a science-- not a crap shoot of who can take the most drugs!
And yes, the so-called experts are full of shit! There is no one that I know who uses more than 2000mg of test per week. Anyone who does use more is an idiot. 1000-1200mg of test per week is the ideal dosage (any more is a waste)."
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[luvs2lift]

i am going to have to say that for all the female pro bodybuilders out there if it were not for steroids/hgh/insulin/and anything else i may have missed many wouldn't be in the top ranks... so basically the men use a ton of drugs.. you can see the evolution from the 70's to 80's to now... its a science we understand and experiment...

ronnie coleman/jay cutler evolved with drugs they are most likely dependent on insulin now. have you seen jay's earier before he touched any gear.. he was normal and very average.. when you add chemistry and science and knowledge and dedication you evolve...

but saying steroids are not what makes a champion then every pro fbb is clean..not one drop just training/genetics/dedication ... bs.

[Thorgrim]

The above cycle is close to what Lee Priest said he took, bit of test and some winny for his contest prep, all low dose too. Of course all the haters on the boards blew him up and cried liar

Wouldn't doubt this. He is one of the guys who's midsection stayed trim.

One of the physiques I admired growing up.

[Praetorian]

i am going to have to say that for all the female pro bodybuilders out there if it were not for steroids/hgh/insulin/and anything else i may have missed many wouldn't be in the top ranks... so basically the men use a ton of drugs.. you can see the evolution from the 70's to 80's to now... its a science we understand and experiment...

ronnie coleman/jay cutler evolved with drugs they are most likely dependent on insulin now. have you seen jay's earier before he touched any gear.. he was normal and very average.. when you add chemistry and science and knowledge and dedication you evolve...

but saying steroids are not what makes a champion then every pro fbb is clean..not one drop just training/genetics/dedication ... bs.

Saying"drugs are not what makes a champion" does NOT imply that they are clean...you are misreading the statement and making incorrect assumptions. This statement means that yes I would say that 100% of all pro BB use aas but some use more some use less and it is not the drug that made the champion...in other words drugs are part of the equation but without superior genetics and balls to the wall training and good nutrition you wouldnt have a champion to begin with. If drugs were the be all end all then any pro could just up the dose and then become Mr O....this is not happening nor will it ever happen because many lower level pros use alot more drugs then some of the top ten pros in the Mr O...the simple reason being they are not as genetically gifted as those who can take less and make equal or better gains.

If your incorrect assumption was true then you would be able to follow Ronnie's training routine, his exact diet and cycle and grow just as he did...go ahead I'll bet my house you wont come even close! A guy like Ronnie doesnt need alot of gear, nor does Phil Heath nor did Dorian...the simple matter of fact is BB is about the genetics...some have them some dont...that doesnt mean you can build a great physique or be competitive but you arent going to beat a guy with better genetics just because you decide to take more gear...sorry NOT going to happen.
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