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physique
02-05-2008, 05:07 PM
Please take the time to read the following information:
An Important Notice Regarding Bill C-51
http://www.healthcanadaexposed.com/c51backups/Canadian%20Rights%20Facts.htm

On April 8th, 2008, the Canadian Minister of Health introduced Bill C-51 into the House of Commons. This Bill proposes significant changes to the current Food and Drugs Act that will have wide-ranging negative implications for Canadians.


Bill C-51 will:

· Remove democratic oversight, bypassing elected officials to vote in laws and allow bureaucrats to adopt laws from other countries without our consent.

· Remove 70% of Natural Health Products from Canadians and many others will be available by prescription only.

· Restrict research and development of safe natural alternatives in favor of high risk drugs.

· Punish Canadians with little or no opportunity for protection or recourse for simply speaking about or giving a natural product without the approval of government. More than 70% of people in Canada use a Natural Health Product. The new law goes so far as to warrant action against a person who would give another person an "unapproved" amount of garlic on the recommendation that it would improve that person's health.

Proposed New Enforcement Powers:

· Inspectors will enter private property without a warrant

· Inspectors will take your property at their discretion

· Inspectors will dispose of your property at will

· Inspectors will not reimburse you for your losses

· Inspectors will seize your bank accounts

· Inspectors will charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property

· Inspectors will be empowered to store your property indefinitely

· Inspectors will levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per incident

With your assets and money under their control will you be able to defend yourself in Court?

Can you trust government with this new law and enforcement power?

Would our government really ever turn this law against us? Read the following account.




Will this new law be used to abuse and punish special interest groups, minorities, religious groups or others?

Why do bureaucrats want to bypass the Parliament and Senate's approval to create new laws?

Why do bureaucrats want seizure warrants without judge approval ?

With fines being increased a 1000 times, and seizing authority without a warrant, is Bill C-51 meant to bankrupt and silence its target audience?



Here's what you can do to protect your rights:

Educate Yourself

Go to http://www.stopc51.com/

Read a legal discussion on Bill C-51

Read bill C-51 on www.parl.gc.ca

Tell others about it

· Talk to your local Press

· Contact your local MP Click Here

· Ask the leaders in your community to get involved

· Contact your MLA

· Tell your Friends

Get involved

· Print off this fact sheet and hand it out in your neighborhood.

· Attend our rally at the Calgary Federal Court on May 9th 2008. Call 1-888-878-3467 for Details

Federal Court Rally Information
Where: 635 8 Ave SW, Calgary, AB, Canada Federal Court (View In Google Maps)
When: 11:45 AM Friday May 9th

This is a peaceful rally, after which a hearing will be held asking the judge to place restraints on our governments ability to seize property without a warrant. Taking place on the 4th floor at 1:00pm.

Ryujiin
02-05-2008, 07:59 PM
Gebus!

Freebsd1977
02-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Yeah, we Canadians are so much better than our southern neighbours, geeez! What the HECK is happening to Canada? I can't recognize it anymore, since when did we become lemmings to idiots we elect? Makes me want to not vote anymore truthfully. Sickening.

Blue Hefner
02-05-2008, 09:56 PM
This is a very dumb bill that affects the entire Canadian population.

golden_arm
02-05-2008, 10:52 PM
Im sad to see a bullshit bill like this was even introduced. Makes me feel like punching the nearest politician I can lay my hands on...but of course that would be counterproductive... I live in Edmonton, anything I can do to help crush this bill other then speading the word (which I will be doing)?

beserker
02-05-2008, 11:47 PM
Thanks for the info physique !! WTF , why the hell are we turning into the f*****g united states......FCUK!

shithead
03-05-2008, 12:15 AM
I think this is because some supps are being abused.

Kava Kava for one.

shithead
03-05-2008, 12:20 AM
estazolam would be another.

Freebsd1977
03-05-2008, 12:48 AM
I think this is because some supps are being abused.

Kava Kava for one.

Then ban those supps only but no, the bill will ban all "NATURAL" supps. For example: that includes creatine and glutamine. WTH creatine and glutamine ARE NOT DANGEROUS SUPPS! Gotta love that extra cluase: seize bank accounts without warrants, very nice.

Blue Hefner
03-05-2008, 12:55 AM
Among the changes proposed by the bill are radical alterations to key terminology, including replacing the word "drug" with "therapeutic product" throughout the Act, thereby giving the Canadian government broad-reaching powers to regulate the sale of all herbs, vitamins, supplements and other items. With this single language change, anything that is "therapeutic" automatically falls under the Food and Drug Act. This would include bottled water, blueberries, dandelion greens and essentially all plant-derived substances.

The Act also changes the definition of the word "sell" to include anyone who gives such therapeutic products to someone else. So a mother giving an herb to her child, under the proposed new language, could be arrested for engaging in the sale of unregulated, unapproved "therapeutic substances.

C-51 would even criminalize the simple drying of herbs in your kitchen to be used in an herbal product, by the way. That would now be categorized as a "controlled activity," and anyone caught engaging in such "controlled activities" would be arrested, fined and potentially jailed. Other "controlled activities" include labeling bottles, harvesting plants on a farm, collecting herbs from your back yard, or even testing herbal products on yourself! (Yes, virtually every activity involving herbs or supplements would be criminalized...)

Blue Hefner
03-05-2008, 01:00 AM
I think this is because some supps are being abused.

Kava Kava for one.

Supplements are heavily regulated already in Canada through the Natural Health Product Directorate but this new bill is so much more then that.

gordi
03-05-2008, 01:02 AM
War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, Ignorance Is Strength, Supplements Are Therapeutic Products

physique
03-05-2008, 06:52 PM
alcohol and cigarettes are abused daily, but yet are legal. government has no issues with those 2 products, but find issues with supplements??? give me a break.

its pressure from pharmaceutical companies to take 100% control of the market. can u imagine going to your doctor for a prescription for creatine, vit c and a multi. the cost in the end would be astronomical to the user, just like drugs are.

I have already written a letter to my MP and encourage others to do the same. If we let this pass it will just be one more step in the government making us pawns/robots that will do whatever they tell us to do without question.

golden_arm
03-05-2008, 10:25 PM
Bill C-51 has implications that go far beyond the supplement industry. In essence, the bill will allow our law makers to completely bypass the democratic process and enact laws entirely behind closed doors. Hell, I almost feel like half the reason for the draconian proposals regarding supplement regulation and enforcement is to draw attention away from this aspect of the bill (Big Pharma would be the other half). I have sent an email to my MP (Mike Lake, Edmonton Millwoods-Beaumont MP), and requested a face-to-face meeting at his leisure. With the government apparently trying to fast-track this bill, time is not on our side. Following is info on some upcoming rallys to kill this bill, and a web url you can visit to find contact info for your local MP. We can beat this thing boys, lets do it.

golden_arm
03-05-2008, 10:30 PM
Members of Parliment contact info:
http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E

for more info, check out: http://www.stopc51.com/
UPCOMING RALLYS: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
Where: Henderson Lake Park (West side of lake by Japanese Gardens) (View Google Map)
When: May 8th, 2008 ~ 1:00pm - 4:00pm

Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Where: Federal Court House (635 8th Ave. SW) (View Google Map)
When: May 9th, 2008 ~ 11:45am - 1:00pm

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Where: Gazebo Park (103 St. 84 Ave. NW) (Outside of Strathcona Farmers Market) (View Google Map)
When: May 10th, 2008 ~ 12:00pm - 3:00pm

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Where: Robson Square (Howe St.) (View Google Map)
When: May 10th, 2008 ~ 10:00am - 1:00pm

Blue Hefner
03-05-2008, 10:50 PM
alcohol and cigarettes are abused daily, but yet are legal. government has no issues with those 2 products, but find issues with supplements??? give me a break.

its pressure from pharmaceutical companies to take 100% control of the market. can u imagine going to your doctor for a prescription for creatine, vit c and a multi. the cost in the end would be astronomical to the user, just like drugs are.

I have already written a letter to my MP and encourage others to do the same. If we let this pass it will just be one more step in the government making us pawns/robots that will do whatever they tell us to do without question.


Let's not also forget no more harvesting for farmers or for the person who likes to grow a home garden each year. This is more then just affecting supplement users.

Felinecougar
03-05-2008, 11:02 PM
I can't get the link to work..Help.

I have a close friend who is an MP here in Ontario. His family is very into herbs and natural health, I'm sure I can stir up some interest from my crunchy girl friends that we can pass our concerns onto him.

deleteduser0002
05-05-2008, 03:45 PM
for those on facebook, you can also show your support and spread the word here...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12580615687

Freebsd1977
05-05-2008, 04:59 PM
for those on facebook, you can also show your support and spread the word here...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12580615687

You gotta sign up for facebook. Is it a great place to meet 18+ years old? :lick

Rick519
06-05-2008, 07:56 AM
I'm not really surprised that the canadian government is doing this,i've been telling people for years that this government is on it's way to being a dictatorship,first it was an unconstitutional bill called gun control,now this,and you wonder why so many canadians are fleeing this country.

I mean look at this government for what it really is,a government that does these kinds of things are communist.

dainbramaged
06-05-2008, 08:24 AM
I realize there's a facebook group, but has anyone started an online petition?

Gettin'r'round
06-05-2008, 10:31 AM
crap, this hits a little close to home.

Freebsd1977
06-05-2008, 02:58 PM
I realize there's a facebook group, but has anyone started an online petition?

Right here!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/StopC51

Easterner
06-05-2008, 05:08 PM
I was talking to the woman who runs the local health food store today and she said their is already a system like this in Europe and you have to get a prescription for fish oil! and its like $200.00 a bottle. Can you fricken imagine having to pay that for fish oil?

I honestly think even if the magority of Canadians pitition agenst this they will pass it regardless. Democracy had been dead here in Canada for a long time!
I did however sign the pitition and email my MP for all that it's worth.

Freebsd1977
06-05-2008, 06:07 PM
I was talking to the woman who runs the local health food store today and she said their is already a system like this in Europe and you have to get a prescription for fish oil! and its like $200.00 a bottle. Can you fricken imagine having to pay that for fish oil?

I honestly think even if the magority of Canadians pitition agenst this they will pass it regardless. Democracy had been dead here in Canada for a long time!
I did however sign the pitition and email my MP for all that it's worth.

Dear God help us all. Socialism at it's ugliest. If this bill becomes law, I'm not voting anymore. What's the point in voting these bastards in and they turn on you. How is this bill for the better good of the majority? It has one goal in mind and it's to make the execs of the big pharmas super rich at our expense. I voted for Harper in the last election and am feeling the fool now, what a fat snake he turned out to be. Once a politician, always a politician.

One final note before I log off, if supps become illegal in Canada, I'll just head on over to the US. The border is close to me and can't beat the prices. Cross back and tell the customs slave I was just visiting. They can kiss my behind! LOL! :welc

Freebsd1977
09-05-2008, 02:17 AM
We Canadians are as corrupt as the US! Check this out: http://www.healthcoalition.ca/pharmatony1.pdf

Our Health Minister Tony Clement OWNS 25% in shares of Prudential Chemicals, a big pharma company. Hmmm, wonder why the govt is pushing to have bill c-51 become law so quick. F EM!

Blue Hefner
14-05-2008, 07:26 PM
Bill C-51 and Natural Health Products – The Facts

1. How will Bill C-51 change the way natural health products are regulated?

Bill C-51 will not affect the way that natural health products are regulated in Canada. The Natural Health Products Regulations, introduced in 2004, will continue to operate the same way under the proposed Bill C-51. Bill C-51 has been drafted to complement and support current policies for natural health products.

The Natural Health Products Regulations already recognize that natural health products are different from drugs, and that the evidence requirements for drugs are not appropriate for natural health products. Bill C-51 does not change this. In fact, Bill C-51 supports different requirements for different types of products. Therefore, the standards that are used to assess the risks and benefits of natural health products will continue to incorporate history of use, traditional uses and cultural practices.

The regulated activities for natural health products have already been identified in the Natural Health Products Regulations, and do not change. These regulated activities are: manufacturing, packaging, labelling, importation and distribution of natural health products for sale. Revisions to the list of controlled activities in Bill C-51 are only for cells, tissues and organs.

For natural health products, compliance and enforcement activities will continue to be guided by the Compliance Policy for Natural Health Products and the Health Products and Food Branch Inspectorate's Policy--0001. This means that any future decision to take action will continue to be based on the same risk-based principles used today: the higher the risk to human health and safety posed by a natural health product, the more immediate the compliance and enforcement action.

2. Why is it necessary to regulate natural health products?

The legislation requires vigilance to ensure that tainted products are found and recalled, that what is on the label is actually in the bottle, and that health claims are supported by evidence. Health Canada often issues warnings about mislabelled products or products that have serious adverse reactions. For example, diethylene glycol was found in fluoridated toothpaste and liver toxicity has been associated with the use of a Black cohosh product that was found to contain a species of the plant different than the one stated on the label. We have also seen cases where a natural health product makes a completely unfounded health claim- the ability to cure cancer or SARS for example. In addition, the increasing import of products and ingredients from foreign countries will require oversight to assure product safety and quality for Canadians.

3. Will changes to the Food and Drugs Act result in a ban on natural health products? Will this change mean a prescription will be required for natural health products, like Vitamin C?

No. There is nothing in Bill C-51 that changes the regulatory status of natural health products from over-the-counter, as they are now, to prescription. Under Bill C-51, Canadians will continue to have access to natural health products that are safe, effective and of high quality.

Natural health products will continue to be regulated in the same way under the Natural Health Products Regulations, which have been in force since January 1, 2004.

4. Will the increased enforcement powers, fines and penalties in Bill C-51 lead to more compliance action against natural health product companies?

Updates to the Act will not result in more compliance and enforcement action taken for regulated products, including natural health products. A modernized Act will allow Health Canada to undertake more effective compliance and enforcement activities by providing the Department with the authority to act based on a product's level of risk.

The fact is that the current compliance and enforcement portions of the Food and Drugs Act are over 50 years old and need to be updated. Canada lags significantly behind other parts of the world in this area, especially the United States, Europe, and Australia.

The compliance and enforcement proposals will allow us to respond to risks, regardless of the product type—they will not result in more enforcement action taken against natural health products or any other regulated product. In fact, the approach to compliance and enforcement activities for natural health products will stay the same, and will continue to be guided by the Compliance Policy for Natural Health Products and the Health Products and Food Branch Inspectorate's Policy--0001. Any decision to take action will be based on the same risk-based principles that are used today: the higher the risk posed by a product, the more immediate the compliance and enforcement action.

5. Does Bill C-51 allow inspectors to go into private homes at will?

No. If an inspector needed to enter a private home, they would have to have the owner's consent or, after making a compelling case to a judge, a warrant to enter. There is nothing in Bill C-51 that changes this.

Some manufacturing sites may not be situated on public roads or beside public spaces. The Bill contains a provision that would permit inspectors to cross private property to gain access to a manufacturing site. This provision does not, in any way, permit an inspector to enter a private home without consent or a warrant.

6. Why is it necessary to have such a dramatic increase in fines and penalties?

While fines under Bill C-51 have increased, the highest fines are intended to be applied for the most severe contraventions. A minor contravention would not be treated in the same manner as an incident that has significant impacts on the health and safety of Canadians. For instance, in dealing with cases of counterfeit, Health Canada has been limited to imposing a maximum fine of $5,000. This is in comparison with other jurisdictions where fines for similar contraventions have been in excess of $5,000,000.

Canada's fines and penalties structure is over 50 years old and is significantly behind modern international regulatory authorities such as the United States, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Canadians deserve the same protections as citizens of other countries. An increase in fines and penalties will deter companies who do not intend to comply with the Food and Drugs Act and its Regulations. The increase is meant to emphasize the importance of maintaining the integrity of the Canadian supply chain, which all Canadians rely on for safe health products.

7. Is Bill C-51 targeting natural health products practitioners or consumers?

No, the activities of natural health products practitioners falls under provincial jurisdiction. Personal use of products by consumers is also not affected by Bill C-51.

The regulated activities for natural health products are already identified in the Natural Health Products Regulations, and remain unchanged. These activities are: manufacturing, packaging, labelling, importation and distribution of natural health products for sale.

The new definition of “sale” in Bill C-51 will not affect practitioners. The relationship between practitioner and patient for compounding falls under the definition of “practice of medicine” and is under provincial jurisdiction. Bill C-51 respects this arrangement.

8. Does Bill C-51 require natural health product manufacturers, importers, packagers and labellers to obtain an establishment license instead of a site license?

No, Bill C-51 does not change the requirements for site licensing of the natural health product industry. The requirements for a natural health product site license remain consistent with the Natural Health Products Regulations. This applies to natural health product manufacturers, importers, labellers and packagers.

The term “establishment license” is an umbrella term that is used in Bill C-51 to support a number of different types of licenses that are required to manufacture products. Bill C-51 will allow different types of “establishment licenses” to be created, including site licenses for natural health products, and site registration for other products. These existing licensing systems will not change.

If you have any questions, or comments on the proposed Action Plan and/or the proposed legislation changes, please contact us by e-mail or by calling 1-866-891-4542.

Date Modified: 2008-05-14

Mickyo613
20-05-2008, 07:57 PM
Bet you the drug companies are behind this. Somebody's being paid off for sure.

Freebsd1977
20-05-2008, 08:33 PM
Bet you the drug companies are behind this. Somebody's being paid off for sure.

Got that right, our health minister owns shares, read my post above. Disgusting ... Passing laws that pocket their thieving pockets, SCR3W THEM!

wrought
22-05-2008, 11:11 AM
A little cut&paste from an article on c-51. Besides the obvious unreasonable benefits to the pharmacorps, this little gem of an addition should be of concern to every canadian regardless of whether or not they take supplements.

...oh yeah, and i read that Tony Clement had divested himself of that drug company holding. Gotta keep up appearances and have reasonable deniability. :)
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In the "Definitions Et Interpretation" section of C-51, the term "government" will now mean any of the following "or their institutions, as applicable:"

a) the federal government;
b) a corporation named in Schedule III to 10 of the Financial Administration Act,
c) a provincial government or a public body established under an Act of the legislature of a province,
d) an aboriginal government as defined in subsection 13(3) of the Access to Information Act,
e) a government of a foreign state or of a subdivision of a foreign state, or
f) an international organization of states. [Emphasis added.]
Defining "government" to include foreign states and/or international organizations is a segue into section 30 which states:

A regulation may incorporate by reference documents produced by a person or body other than the Minister of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency including:

a) an organization established for the purpose of writing standards, including an organization accredited by the Standards Council of Canada;
b) an industrial or trade organization; or
c) a government
This clever little addition apears to allow the Canadian government to make documents prepared by foreign "governments" the law in Canada simply by passing a regulation incorporating the documents as regulations. The UN’s infamous CODEX Alimentarius, Latin for “food code,” could become law without Parliamentary approval if it’s referred to as a regulation.

BolicPower
22-05-2008, 10:10 PM
This is crazy