Test P/Tren Ace, minimal strength gains week four

[CDN_Ecto]

Almost at week four of my 7th cycle - 125mg Test P EOD and 75 mg Tren Ace EOD alongside 0.5mg Adex. First time using tren, hence the moderate doses.

On a cutting diet of around 500-750 calorie deficit, carbs at around 100-150g per day, cardio and weights 4x a week. Definitely losing fat, look a fair bit leaner since I started and so far have seen these sides:

- Moody
- Irritable
- Lethargic outside the gym
- Shorter fuse
- Urinating frequently
- Dead appetite

No real insomnia or night sweats and most surprising; minimal strength gains. I've made considerable strength gains on Test P cutters in the past so I'm confused.

:fback

[theboss]

you have all the sides except the insomnia and night sweats....you are on a cutting diet with low carbs....i wouldnt expect alot of strength gains or muscular gains..you need to eat MORE to gain..not less. The AAS you are using is allowing your body to retain the muscle you have rather than eat it up. Maybe you are expecting ALOT more from adding Tren then you should really expect. In all honesty for some people Tren is an amazing addition to a cycle for others, it does add some but not alot. Everyone reacts differently to different compounds.

[St]

Almost at week four of my 7th cycle - 125mg Test P EOD and 75 mg Tren Ace EOD alongside 0.5mg Adex. First time using tren, hence the moderate doses.

On a cutting diet of around 500-750 calorie deficit, carbs at around 100-150g per day, cardio and weights 4x a week. Definitely losing fat, look a fair bit leaner since I started and so far have seen these sides:

- Moody
- Irritable
- Lethargic outside the gym
- Shorter fuse
- Urinating frequently
- Dead appetite

No real insomnia or night sweats and most surprising; minimal strength gains. I've made considerable strength gains on Test P cutters in the past so I'm confused.

:fback

I will answer you question as im a pro for advice haha..

Moody High Androgen do that to ya..Same as irrtable..as well as shorter fuse..we must blame it on Roid Rage.:)

Lethargic outside from gym.. from reduction of Calories.

Urinating frequently..happens when you cut carbs..and since carbs hold fluid.

Dead appetite..happens to some people once they have dieted for a while..are you taking any ECA...

I need rep power.;)

Hope this helped.

[whofarzed]

Almost at week four of my 7th cycle - 125mg Test P EOD and 75 mg Tren Ace EOD alongside 0.5mg Adex. First time using tren, hence the moderate doses.

On a cutting diet of around 500-750 calorie deficit, carbs at around 100-150g per day, cardio and weights 4x a week. Definitely losing fat, look a fair bit leaner since I started and so far have seen these sides:

- Moody
- Irritable
- Lethargic outside the gym
- Shorter fuse
- Urinating frequently
- Dead appetite

No real insomnia or night sweats and most surprising; minimal strength gains. I've made considerable strength gains on Test P cutters in the past so I'm confused.

:fback

Maybe your adex dose is too high? I find if I drop estrogen too low I get very agitated. Also, I get agitated on lower carbs/cutting. The first time I did tren was with no test and just anavar and was cutting. I was very irritable with a very short fuse. I am currently on my 3rd run of tren. These past two runs I have been bulking. I am actually in a good mood most of the time and not moody/easily agitated (I think it's the combination of adding in the test, and not on a cutting diet). However, I get agitated even off cycle when my carbs are low. After a heavy workout I have the shortest fuse until I eat.

[JifeLacket]

Only use adex if you need it! Estrogen plays an important role in strength!

[CDN_Ecto]

you have all the sides except the insomnia and night sweats....you are on a cutting diet with low carbs....i wouldnt expect alot of strength gains or muscular gains..you need to eat MORE to gain..not less. The AAS you are using is allowing your body to retain the muscle you have rather than eat it up. Maybe you are expecting ALOT more from adding Tren then you should really expect. In all honesty for some people Tren is an amazing addition to a cycle for others, it does add some but not alot. Everyone reacts differently to different compounds.

I'm surprised by the lack of strength as I've gained considerable strength on previous prop cutters with more cardio (better breathing). From what I know a good deal of strength comes from activation of motor units and CNS. My carbs aren't really low enough to justify lack of strength IMHO. If I eat a bowl of oatmeal with a protein shake, 2 cups skim milk and banana first thing in the am, I still don't see strength gains.

I guess I just don't want to miss out on the heralded tren strength, as beastly strength is VERY motivating, fun and reinforcing.

[whofarzed]

Well.. you are still only finishing week 3 of your cycle, and only using 75mg of tren every other day. I find tren strong, but you do need to give it a bit more time. I would recommend upping it to like 50mg per day, however you said you are already moody and irritable so it might not be the best idea.

[mrOxy]

perhaps the tren is not of good quality .. ive always gotton god strength on tren in past and have used high quality and low quality tren b4 so check your product maybe thats the issue

[CDN_Ecto]

This is what I'm starting to think. I'm in week 5 now and my strength is only up marginally, meaning not much at all. I remember using Superdrol as an oral on my first test cycle and my strength went NUTS! It's so much more enjoyable and motivating when the strength goes up alot too.

[mrOxy]

This is what I'm starting to think. I'm in week 5 now and my strength is only up marginally, meaning not much at all. I remember using Superdrol as an oral on my first test cycle and my strength went NUTS! It's so much more enjoyable and motivating when the strength goes up alot too.

absoluty must be the quality of ur product .. the strength of tren is 2nd to none IMO .. just becarefull as ur power goes through the roof not 2 injure yourself in the process

[perfection]

Hey guys I was planning to start a test prop and tren cycle with prov ......not looking to get big jus looking to get realy cut up cuz I have a photo shoot around the corner....I have done 2 other cycles n the past and got ok results from them..1st one was win for 5weeks and clen for 6 2 on 2 off diet was clean but was not done properly second cycle was test prop primo clen for 4 weeks and var for 5 and I gained abit of size but still didn't cut up as much im dyin to get rdy for my shoot coming up so if anyone could help that would be great didn't wanna take over thread jus havin hrd time posting srry mates.

[moh2010]

Hey guys I was planning to start a test prop and tren cycle with prov ......not looking to get big jus looking to get realy cut up cuz I have a photo shoot around the corner....I have done 2 other cycles n the past and got ok results from them..1st one was win for 5weeks and clen for 6 2 on 2 off diet was clean but was not done properly second cycle was test prop primo clen for 4 weeks and var for 5 and I gained abit of size but still didn't cut up as much im dyin to get rdy for my shoot coming up so if anyone could help that would be great didn't wanna take over thread jus havin hrd time posting srry mates.

It might be a good choice for you! Do you know how to flush the water before a photoshoot? If not, check this out. Very well explained:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/shredded_in_6_days

[perfection]

It might be a good choice for you! Do you know how to flush the water before a photoshoot? If not, check this out. Very well explained:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/shredded_in_6_days

Thanks a lot month that really did help also I was thinkin of addin mast to my tren prop and prov cycle.....this will be my 1st time on tren so do you know what I should run with this also what's good for keeping hair cuz the last cycle thined out hair lil bit.....

[moh2010]

Mast, win and tren are rough on your hairs if you are prone to male-pattern baldness. Personally, my hairs doesn't fall on cycle, but grey hairs grow.

100mg of prop and 200mg of equipoise every other day is a safer choice (for your hairs). Add an AI such aromasin or arimidex to keep estrogen low (reduce bloating). Get really lean and flush the water.

[perfection]

Thnx bruv ill look into that aswell

[Blitz-Test]

Almost at week four of my 7th cycle - 125mg Test P EOD and 75 mg Tren Ace EOD alongside 0.5mg Adex. First time using tren, hence the moderate doses.

On a cutting diet of around 500-750 calorie deficit, carbs at around 100-150g per day, cardio and weights 4x a week. Definitely losing fat, look a fair bit leaner since I started and so far have seen these sides:

- Moody
- Irritable
- Lethargic outside the gym
- Shorter fuse
- Urinating frequently
- Dead appetite

No real insomnia or night sweats and most surprising; minimal strength gains. I've made considerable strength gains on Test P cutters in the past so I'm confused.

:fback

375mg of test 225mg of tren a week, is a very light cycle, very light...

adex eod at .5 with out 375mg of test is alot

Cutting with caloric deficit, and only 100-150g of carbs per day, doing cardio 4x a week...

How do you expect any strength gains, just hope your strength stays the same, and honestly you shouldnt be trying to push new strength barriers on a caloric and exercise enviroment like that

[CDN_Ecto]

375mg of test 225mg of tren a week, is a very light cycle, very light...

adex eod at .5 with out 375mg of test is alot

Cutting with caloric deficit, and only 100-150g of carbs per day, doing cardio 4x a week...

How do you expect any strength gains, just hope your strength stays the same, and honestly you shouldnt be trying to push new strength barriers on a caloric and exercise enviroment like that

It was 500mg Test P EW and 300mg Tren A EW

[Blitz-Test]

It was 500mg Test P EW and 300mg Tren A EW

yea bad math skills, yet everything still holds, high AI for low test, caloric deficit, low carbs, moderate cardio, I dont think I would gain strength under these conditions either

[jack_krauser]

Agreed with blitz.

For cutting, your goal should be to keep muscle mass and lose the excess fat anyways.

[GothicBeast]

where is T3 in your formula? you should be careful with that when you are around Tren Ace.