MICRO doses of tren... anyone try?

[fathead]

has anyone tried using VERY low doses of tren? say something like 12.5-25mg ed or eod?

comments?

[JifeLacket]

Interesting, would like to know as well!

[JonnyO]

Never heard of that...where did you come up with that idea?

I cant see it being of any benefit.

[powerrack]

I've done tren enthanate within a cycle at 200mg a week and benefitted, that equates to just under 30mg of tren per a day.

[fathead]

ive never tried tren. always feared the potential sides. people claim it is "so powerful" and "physique altering" so i am wondering if there is a benefit to be had at a very low dose.

im wondering if there is a way to use it to gain SOME benefit while mitigating or really limiting sides

ive heard/read/been told numerous times that 50mg tren every other day has had a serious impact on peoples results so perhaps half or a quarter of that would also create some sort of positive result.

maybe there is a dose where sides become much more apparent and perhaps that dose is in fact quite low? below where most people choose to run it even for a first time.

just a thought

[cog]

I have tried that.Small doses should have very little impact on cardio or BP.Try 15-20 mg ED for a little while.Strength should increase.

[JonnyO]

What kind of side effects are you worried about?

[monkey]

I personally think that u may as well run something else if u so worried bout sides. Most drugshave an optimal dosage and tren simply is known to be the harshest component

[Praetorian]

Waste of time, money, and tren.
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[ironwill]

I did 50 mg/day, and it was to much for me...I then went to 30 mg/day, still to much for me, so i never tried it again.....The sides are very real for some of us......Some dont have them, good for you......I have zero sides with any other products except for 2....that is tren and NPP......Both make me a different individual to deal with, and in my profession i cant affford it...
So fathead, i still get sides at 30 mg ed......And i got a great response from my body, nice look, but not so much in my brain....:goodluck

[fathead]

thanks for the replies.

unlike ironwill im not so much worried about trenbrain. i guess that could be an issue, i have no idea, but im a pretty relaxed dude and have control of my temper and anxiety.

to answer jonnyo my concerns would be skin and hair related. obviously with skin and hair concerns tren is not something i have ever tried but was curious about this idea of perhaps getting some tren results without the tren sides. it seems like thats a pipe dream and realistically the only way i will ever know for real is to try it

[Prisoner#22]

actually there was a favorable article in meso-rx.com relating to some studies of using trenbone in androgen replacement therapy. Check it out.

[JonnyO]

I dont find any hair loss or acne from tren and this is such an individual issue as everyone will respond differently to these types of side effects.

Some get acne very easily while others dont. I've posted many times what I feel helps prevent acne for me as well as hair loss.

[ironwill]

thanks for the replies.

unlike ironwill im not so much worried about trenbrain. i guess that could be an issue, i have no idea, but im a pretty relaxed dude and have control of my temper and anxiety.

to answer jonnyo my concerns would be skin and hair related. obviously with skin and hair concerns tren is not something i have ever tried but was curious about this idea of perhaps getting some tren results without the tren sides. it seems like thats a pipe dream and realistically the only way i will ever know for real is to try it

Im a very calm dude normally......:)

[gregdoucette]

If u cant feel 25 mg tren ace a day there is something wrong with u or ur tren (assuming ur not already used to taking alot more). if uve never done a cycle and did 500 test a week alone or 500 test a week + 25 tren a day ud notice a much greater increase from the added tren.

[cog]

actually there was a favorable article in meso-rx.com relating to some studies of using trenbone in androgen replacement therapy. Check it out.

Did they mention dosage somewhere?

[Prisoner#22]

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/trenbolone-for-androgen-replacement-therapy/2719/#



JANUARY 27, 2011 BY MILLARD BAKER


The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the “SARM-like potential” of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called “SARM-like” because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolone’s lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print]



Read more from this MESO-Rx article at: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/trenbolone-for-androgen-replacement-therapy/2719/#ixzz1E0Kqo2Cr

[spiderman7]

I have done tren a only once so far. I do a lot of cardio so I was concerned how it would impact it. I did 25mg a day for a period of 6 weeks. it did effect my cardio a bit. I was still able to run but I would have to push it to make the hour. I did see some hair loss but it seem to thicken back up after I was off. I can say it does work well.

[Feenom]

25mg per day worked well for me. 75mg per day worked much better.

[grader]

in my opinion if your going to get side effects, your going to get them with using eaither a little of a lot so why get the sides and not all the results. i love tren, never had the sides of it so i cant speak for people who have but if your that worried about it just use decca.

[cog]

in my opinion if your going to get side effects, your going to get them with using eaither a little of a lot so why get the sides and not all the results. i love tren, never had the sides of it so i cant speak for people who have but if your that worried about it just use decca.

Well some people do get sides.And likely dose dependant.And they could increase with age.

[fathead]

in my opinion if your going to get side effects, your going to get them with using eaither a little of a lot so why get the sides and not all the results. i love tren, never had the sides of it so i cant speak for people who have but if your that worried about it just use decca.

this is nonsense.

side effects are often dose related and often/usually would escalate with dosage.

so 250mg/week test may not give anyone any sides effects at all but a gram sure as hell might cause some issues

and ya, sure, ill just use deca instead. makes perfect sense

[cog]

To a base of 175 mg Test E every 7 days which is a pretty ho hum dosage I added 25 mg Tren E...a very small dose indeed,but on that small base I can notice the difference.

[Redz]

I have ran up to 600mg of Tren E per week with no side effects. I am looking at running somewhere between 700-900 my next go.

[powerrack]

If u cant feel 25 mg tren ace a day there is something wrong with u or ur tren (assuming ur not already used to taking alot more). if uve never done a cycle and did 500 test a week alone or 500 test a week + 25 tren a day ud notice a much greater increase from the added tren.

I agree with this, like I said before, I have added a modest 200mg of tren e into a cycle and noticed a difference, the results were there.

I would say why go with an insane dose in the first place when a smaller dose would get the job done, leaves room for growth down the road.

[PdH]

unlike ironwill im not so much worried about trenbrain. i guess that could be an issue, i have no idea, but im a pretty relaxed dude and have control of my temper and anxiety.

I'm the same, at least I'd like to think so, and at 50 eod I have to keep a handle on the underlying aggression. If it's decent tren, anything higher and I don't much like my behaviour which becomes quite reactive. I also experience good results at 50 eod.

[PdH]

I have ran up to 600mg of Tren E per week with no side effects. I am looking at running somewhere between 700-900 my next go.

I have a Bro that ran a very high dose of tren ace and didn't seem to get much response at all. I ran a low dose of the same batch and eventually had to lower the dose because of the aggression. Seemingly tren doesn't affect everyone the same.

[ironwill]

I'm the same, at least I'd like to think so, and at 50 eod I have to keep a handle on the underlying aggression. If it's decent tren, anything higher and I don't much like my behaviour which becomes quite reactive. I also experience good results at 50 eod.

Actually thats the best way to put it....I get very reactive, and over react in situations where i normally would blow it off.......I come off and after a short while it feels like i was a different person....If that makes sense...

[GYMBRAT]

I turn into a total prick, I hate who I am on tren, BUT I jst love it sooo darn much

[PdH]

I come off and after a short while it feels like i was a different person....If that makes sense...

Makes sense to me, I get the same thing. It's often a relief to not have to second guess your responses for appropriateness. Even at 50 eod, it does require effort, but it is manageable and the gains are worth it for a 6 or 8 week run.

[japh]

Yeah, thats how I would explain it as well.

My anger would come out of nowhere in an intense burst that was scary to those around me.

I eventually settled into it however and was able to control it for the most part. I'd still get seething angry here and there but kept it under wraps. I learned to hide it basically and it became less and less often the longer I stayed on.

I've always hated when guys would take testosterone and act like macho jerks all of a sudden because of ego. Tren rage has nothing to do with ego though for me. Its very real.



I just started tren hex at 150mgs every 3 days a week and a half ago. I'm a bit worried at how it will affect me for the first month once it kicks in before I can really adjust myself to it and remain peaceful.

I am trying to be as self aware as I know how right now waiting to see whats going to come up emotionally that is out of my control at first so I can quelch it. Being big and strong at the expense of being a dick is not worth it to me. I hate those guys. I know thats off topic.

Redz....that seems like an unecessarily high dose given your current developement if thats you in your avatar. I mean no offense it just seems to me that you could get great results with half that still?

[cog]

Actually thats the best way to put it....I get very reactive, and over react in situations where i normally would blow it off.......I come off and after a short while it feels like i was a different person....If that makes sense...

I had a rule of no Tren on the jobsite,but I broke it...:)

[Beachmuscle]

They give cattle 20mg at a time. That's a big bunch of beef.

We're not cattle. I'm sure that smaller dosages over time = good results.

[cog]

They give cattle 20mg at a time. That's a big bunch of beef.

We're not cattle. I'm sure that smaller dosages over time = good results.

What method of administration is this?My brother-in-law implants tren pellets in his cattle,lasts for the duration he has them,couple of months....surely it couldn't be that minor?

[fathead]

i dont think this is a very applicable example. they also give horses equipoise dosed at 50mg/ml and they dont give them a hell of a lot and they are carrying 1000's of lbs of muscle.

we all react differently. my dog takes a dose of antibiotics 3x what i take (same drug actually) and apparently their metabolisms are way faster

[JifeLacket]

Apples to oranges with the animal vs human dose. Its like comparing male to female doses for bodybuilding. Huge difference, receptors, sensitivity etc.

[ironwill]

What method of administration is this?My brother-in-law implants tren pellets in his cattle,lasts for the duration he has them,couple of months....surely it couldn't be that minor?

I used to inject them behind the ear, with a huge friggn needle that pushed the pellets through the barrel of the needle, about 1/8 to 3/16 inch diameter, and implanted them sub-q...Then you felt and made sure they were in proper, a little line of about 8 pellets, and they absorbed slowly over time....Thats when i was growing up on the farm, not sure if technique changed now...The things i used to have on hand, way before i ever thought of using myself, we had cattle, and horses....sigh....:)

[JonnyO]

I used to inject them behind the ear, with a huge friggn needle that pushed the pellets through the barrel of the needle, about 1/8 to 3/16 inch diameter, and implanted them sub-q...Then you felt and made sure they were in proper, a little line of about 8 pellets, and they absorbed slowly over time....Thats when i was growing up on the farm, not sure if technique changed now...The things i used to have on hand, way before i ever thought of using myself, we had cattle, and horses....sigh....:)

No wonder you got raging on Fina bro you werent you using the Fina pellets anally? :yeah

[ironwill]

No wonder you got raging on Fina bro you werent you using the Fina pellets anally? :yeah

lol:D

[mrOxy]

i used 2 be a tren junkie .. absoluty love that drug .. i notice a huge difference from using 300 mg a week of tren ace to 400 mg a week .. using such a low dose is just not effective at all imo but then again everybody reacts different on aas .. min 400 mg a week for me

[fathead]

i used 2 be a tren junkie .. absoluty love that drug .. i notice a huge difference from using 300 mg a week of tren ace to 400 mg a week .. using such a low dose is just not effective at all imo but then again everybody reacts different on aas .. min 400 mg a week for me

if a 100mg increase gives you HUGE difference why wouldnt 100mg as a dose give results as well?

[mrOxy]

if a 100mg increase gives you HUGE difference why wouldnt 100mg as a dose give results as well?

well like i said in my post .. i was refering to MYSELF and how it effects me .. everybody reacts different to every substance

[mrOxy]

apples to oranges with the animal vs human dose. Its like comparing male to female doses for bodybuilding. Huge difference, receptors, sensitivity etc.

^^^^^^^^^^^this :)

[Krazy]

Im currently on my second cycle of tren E/ test e. I am a math guy and I think we can generalize doses a little better using percentages instead of total mg usage. We all react different to this stuff. If my dosage is more than 20% tren, my dick doesn't work, I am an angry asshole and the night sweats are ridiculous at 25% tren. I can handle 18% tren without issues. I am lucky that my body reacts well to lower doses of both. I am 6'6", 235 lbs using 105mg tren e, 460mg test e per week, pinning every 5 days (565mg total per week, 18.5% tren/81.5% test). Tren is powerful shit and I personally believe that many people are over dosing on it. I know this info might seem unreliable with my low post count. I have been lurking on these boards for years, done amazing safe cycles thanks to the info here and figured its about time to contribute.

[Krazy]

I can do all the math I want but I am still going by the dosage on the labels of underground gear......something to keep in mind.

[jack_krauser]

I just started my tren e @ .5cc twice a week which is around 200mg. I will keep you guys posted and give my feedback in couple of weeks.

Krazy, how many weeks in did you start feeling tren e's effectiveness?

[cog]

I dropped my weekly dose of Tren E to approx 15 mg along with my 175 mg Test E.I can still notice it the next day.I believe it gives me more energy than just straight test.

[jack_krauser]

lol 15mg? wow shit sounds potent. Let's see how i react at 200mg

[ubcpower]

Coq,
Is tren part of your hrt protocol?
doesnt P.S. use low dose TnT for his Hrt

[mrOxy]

lol 15mg? wow shit sounds potent. Let's see how i react at 200mg


lol ....

im just curious to who use tren or other aas at such extreamly low below hrt doses ..wht training purpose is this for ? are you bbers ... or swimmers .. or mall walkers ? seriously

[cog]

Coq,
Is tren part of your hrt protocol?
doesnt P.S. use low dose TnT for his Hrt

Yes part of HRT.I will be 55 this year....

[cog]

lol ....

im just curious to who use tren or other aas at such extreamly low below hrt doses ..wht training purpose is this for ? are you bbers ... or swimmers .. or mall walkers ? seriously

As mentioned in my above post,it's part of HRT,and as such,a very minimal impact is desired,which I believe it acheives.What would have no or little impact on BP in your thirties could be quite different in your fifties,and I have no plans to live with high BP.

[jack_krauser]

What benefits have you noticed other than being energetic on 15mg? Any sides at all?

Thanks

[cog]

Better appetite.

[Krazy]

I just started my tren e @ .5cc twice a week which is around 200mg. I will keep you guys posted and give my feedback in couple of weeks.

Krazy, how many weeks in did you start feeling tren e's effectiveness?

Jack, like most long esters, I do not notice much before week 4. The night sweats are the most obvious sign that tren is active in you. It can get ridiculous waking up in a pond.

[jack_krauser]

Been feeling a bit hot lately and just in second week of tren e. Strength has been going up constantly but it is due to test since i have been pinning for 5 weeks already. Will update as soon as i see/feel any changes due to tren.