Hey guys, have a few Tren Ace questions

[CDN_Ecto]

The quick and dirty:

6th cycle
215lbs 15% bf @ 6'0"

Been natty for the last year, about to do a 10wk Test P/Tren Ace cycle (100mg Prop EOD, 75mg Tren Ace EOD). My questions are:

1) Has anyone done a recomp? I've always done bulks and cuts on cycle. I'm looking to get to 10% but am not sure that's possible on a recomp. Diet suggestion?

2) Any success with cardio? I heard tren is bad for breathing and doing cardio. I normally do a mix of HIIT or regular running 4x a week in addition to weights (20 mins, not excessive cardio)

3) I've read that Nolva aggravates gyno through the progesterone receptor. I realize tren is a progestin 19-nor that doesn't aromatize and generates prolactin, so I ordered Adex. Concerns here?

4) My source does not carry HCG, is it a huge concern for 8 weeks of tren? I plan to start the tren a week after the prop and stop it a week short. Is this a good idea?

5) Any other suggestions?

Thanks guys.

[Praetorian]

The quick and dirty:

6th cycle
215lbs 15% bf @ 6'0"

Been natty for the last year, about to do a 10wk Test P/Tren Ace cycle (100mg Prop EOD, 75mg Tren Ace EOD). My questions are:

1) Has anyone done a recomp? I've always done bulks and cuts on cycle. I'm looking to get to 10% but am not sure that's possible on a recomp. Diet suggestion?
**if you want to lose fat you will have to diet



2) Any success with cardio? I heard tren is bad for breathing and doing cardio. I normally do a mix of HIIT or regular running 4x a week in addition to weights (20 mins, not excessive cardio)
**no issues- run a keto diet and you dont need to do HIIT

3) I've read that Nolva aggravates gyno through the progesterone receptor. I realize tren is a progestin 19-nor that doesn't aromatize and generates prolactin, so I ordered Adex. Concerns here?
**you read wrong...tamoxifen is a SERM it will help with gyno...Adex is an AI...you probably wont need it because your test level is low

4) My source does not carry HCG, is it a huge concern for 8 weeks of tren? I plan to start the tren a week after the prop and stop it a week short. Is this a good idea? ***start both at the same time...HCG will be a big help with recovery

5) Any other suggestions?

**I would run a long ester test 500mg weekly only(cyp or enanthate)....much more stable blood levels...and you dont need tren as you aren't getting down to a low enough BF% to see any difference

Thanks guys.

P

[CDN_Ecto]

From what I've read Nolvadex does increase metabolites that bind to PgR receptors. The AI is for keeping aromatization down as I'm using test P, don't want significant estrogen floating around causing gyno while I'm not able to use Nolvadex.

[Praetorian]

From what I've read Nolvadex does increase metabolites that bind to PgR receptors. The AI is for keeping aromatization down as I'm using test P, don't want significant estrogen floating around causing gyno while I'm not able to use Nolvadex.

An AI shoudl only be used if you are seeing signs of gyno otherwise it is unnecessary and will slow gains...as i said on the amount of test you are using you wont see much in the way of aromatization. You are over complicating tamoxifen...it works very well and sometimes is the only compound that will control gyno on some individuals...very very few people see progesterone related sides and to see them you need to be in a high estro environment.
Too many guys are paranoid about estrogen and load up on AI's which is unnecessary and actually unhealthy...HDL levels will fall and youll reduce your gains as well.
P

[ironwill]

To add to praes post.....To low of estrogen is real bad as well....dry skin/joints, calcium leaching, kills libido...Dont use an ai if not necessary.......hdl levels are destroyed.....

[CDN_Ecto]

An AI shoudl only be used if you are seeing signs of gyno otherwise it is unnecessary and will slow gains...as i said on the amount of test you are using you wont see much in the way of aromatization. You are over complicating tamoxifen...it works very well and sometimes is the only compound that will control gyno on some individuals...very very few people see progesterone related sides and to see them you need to be in a high estro environment.
Too many guys are paranoid about estrogen and load up on AI's which is unnecessary and actually unhealthy...HDL levels will fall and youll reduce your gains as well.
P


To add to praes post.....To low of estrogen is real bad as well....dry skin/joints, calcium leaching, kills libido...Dont use an ai if not necessary.......hdl levels are destroyed.....

Thanks guys. I don't normally use an AI unless I'm doing something like a Test E/Dbol bulk for 12 weeks. I just want to be careful and prevent any permanent damage, which is the most important thing. There is so much misinformation out there, that it's hard to sift through all the garbage and broscience.

[Feenom]

Never used HCG and I bounce back fine.

[Solo59]

Your height & weight are proportionate, even lean, so you must not be tip-top toned. Your planned 10 week cycle should help meet your needs, but the weeks will go by quickly and then you have to plan for maintenance. You could still make Nolva part of your PCT (with or without Clomid).

Go for cardio even if Tren makes you work harder. Burns fat like crazy and is just plain healthy.

I use Adex at 0.5 mg EOD just to keep water weight off. Others think differently, but I'd rather be on the lean & safe side. Can't believe a half a milligram every other day much effects gains.

You can do w/o HCG, but it's nice to keep the boys active for a faster recovery later.

As I see it, anyway.

Solo

[CDN_Ecto]

Thanks for all the replies.

I started 5 days ago. I don't know if it's placebo but my aggression has definitely increased. I have this urge to fight people out of the blue and sort of a "beast" feeling already even though I have no desire to act on it. I've hit the gym three times and did cardio today. I was more winded than usual but I managed to jog for 30 minutes. Diet was spotless, lots of water and an extreme motivation to make the most of the next 8 weeks.

[juced_porkchop]

The quick and dirty:

6th cycle
215lbs 15% bf @ 6'0"

Been natty for the last year, about to do a 10wk Test P/Tren Ace cycle (100mg Prop EOD, 75mg Tren Ace EOD). My questions are:

1) Has anyone done a recomp? I've always done bulks and cuts on cycle. I'm looking to get to 10% but am not sure that's possible on a recomp. Diet suggestion? tren is great for anything in my OP (if cardio is not involved)

2) Any success with cardio? I heard tren is bad for breathing and doing cardio. I normally do a mix of HIIT or regular running 4x a week in addition to weights (20 mins, not excessive cardio)
Tren can be a bit hard on some in terms of cardio and other sides. if your gonna do alot of cardio or want to I would pick somthing else in place of tren.
Maybe mast,test,tbol
3) I've read that Nolva aggravates gyno through the progesterone receptor. I realize tren is a progestin 19-nor that doesn't aromatize and generates prolactin, so I ordered Adex. Concerns here?
you shouldent be using nolva during cycle any way for estrogen control as it DONT lower estrogen. get an AI (adex is fine) nolva for pct after tren or deca is fine though.
4) My source does not carry HCG, is it a huge concern for 8 weeks of tren? I plan to start the tren a week after the prop and stop it a week short. Is this a good idea?
run the test a week longer then tren yes. HCG is a good idea for the last 4-5weeks of cycle to help but DONT use it IN PCT. it is not needed though and your cycle sounds very short so i think you will be ok. but make sure you put together a decent PCT.

5) Any other suggestions?
T-911 helps libido (maybe good to have on hand while on pct)
need2slin is GREAT for recomp and fatloss (needtobuildmuscle has this)
HCGenerate is also a good idea Post PCT.
keep protein intake high.
lots of green tea is a good idea.


Thanks guys.
im in red

[zziggzzigg]

what is the green tea for?

[CDN_Ecto]

Wish there was an HRT logs section, but there isn't so here goes..

Sh*t is getting real!

When people say they can feel tren kicking in, I believe it! I've been on a week now and literally got a headrush of pure aggression and primal motivation today. I know what the Hulk feels like now.

I need to tell myself "it's the tren kicking in, calm down". At the same time I LOVE the aggression, it makes me want to get home and move weights all night. Worked 12hrs today and was so amped to go to the gym, I got home, showered, did a shot and literally stormed to the gym on foot. At the gym strength is up, worked out HARD. I feel like I did lines of coke I'm so amped right now. No sleep tonight I think :beat

The strange thing is my appetite is rock bottom. All I had today was 1 cup of oats, protein shake w/ 2 cups of skim milk and a banana and a protein rich chef's salad over 12 hrs. Forced down some brown rice and chicken after work and on my 2nd protein shake now. Probably cook up 1-2 eggs + 10 egg whites before bed.

This is crazy stuff.

[juced_porkchop]

what is the green tea for?

EGCG
caff
phyto chems
ECT.

lots of good stuff.
its healthy and will aid in fatloss/recomp.

[CDN_Ecto]

EGCG
caff
phyto chems
ECT.

lots of good stuff.
its healthy and will aid in fatloss/recomp.

I LOVE green tea. No sugar or cream needed, nice gentle stimulant effect, no calories and full of antioxidants (good green tea).

HRT is going pretty good so far, I ordered my next HRT shipment of Test E, Test P (front load) and Tren E with Dostinex.

My girlfriend knows me well, she has noticed a change in how short my fuse is and thinks something is bothering me. I need to be really careful, because I don't want to be treating people I love poorly or snapping at them. It's 24/7 vigilance and emotional control with tren.....except in the gym.

No major sides so far except moodiness, short fuse, some sweating. Cardio is still ok and no major insomnia. I was even doubting my tren was entirely real, but when people are noticing a change in my moods and fuse I think it would be legit.

[Solo59]

EGCG
caff
phyto chems
ECT.

lots of good stuff.
its healthy and will aid in fatloss/recomp.

Lots of good science to back that up, I'm sure, but I'll bet drinking warm water does the same thing. You seem to be a true believer.

Got to have a lot of faith to believe in OTC things like T-911, Need2slin, or HCGenerate, methinks.

Solo