Anyone getting welts from Kefei?

[tripleA]

My buddy sold me a couple of bottles to try out. He's getting great results and very happy with Kef. My 1st shot all is well. 2nd shot got a welt. My next shot is tomorrow so I'll see what happens.

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[St]

I get small ones like that,but just move your shots around.

[Mr Ontario]

Wow! thats nut's. I have never gotten that before....how many iu s did you put in?

[JonnyO]

try I/M shots if you get that.

[tripleA]

That shot was done on Friday and the pic was taken today (Sunday). I'm only injecting 2iu's. It was bigger on Friday so hopefully it will disappear soon. Measured it and it's about 3cm wide, 2 cm high, and around 1 cm depth.

[gustavo77]

Wow, that is weird bro. Been on the kefei for 5 months and not one welt, same with two of my bros, no probs at all. I would definitely try IM though..i have heard that will eliminate the issue.

It is still is strange though. Have you ever gotten welts from HCG or anything else mixed with B. water or Sodium Chloride?? Mabe a reaction to the preservative?

[MassNutrition]

That shot was done on Friday and the pic was taken today (Sunday). I'm only injecting 2iu's. It was bigger on Friday so hopefully it will disappear soon. Measured it and it's about 3cm wide, 2 cm high, and around 1 cm depth.

I know you said 2IUs, but what's the total volume? How much dilutant are you using to achieve those 2IUs. My buddy used to get those when he reconstituted his GH with WAY too much NaCl...

[tripleA]

Used 2 different brands of HGH before with no welts. No welts with HCG. All with BW. I was mixing 1 vial with 1 cc of BW which is what I normally do to get 20 ticks on the slin pin.

[Mr Ontario]

Is he really going to inject into the muscle 2 ius of GH? why bother!

[gustavo77]

Is he really going to inject into the muscle 2 ius of GH? why bother!

It's just a simple with a slin pin bro..actually it's probably easier than subQ, you don;t have to pinch any skin or fat in my case...lol.

[Dr.Dose]

What is happening is that you have 192aa GH there and your body is rejecting it now. Soon this GH will be useless in your body and you will just be throwing your money away while injecting it as our natural GH sequence is 191aa. 192aa GH will work, but then once your body rejects it and build an immune to it then it is totally worthless after for you to use. Some can use 192aa and never have a problem while others will use it first time and their body will reject the 192aa sequence. This is the case and what is happening to you. Stick with 191aa from now on.

[shithead]

What is happening is that you have 192aa GH there and your body is rejecting it now. Soon this GH will be useless in your body and you will just be throwing your money away while injecting it as our natural GH sequence is 191aa. 191aa GH will work, but then once your body rejects it and build an immune to it then it is totally worthless after for you to use. Some can use 192aa and never have a problem while others will use it first time and their body will reject the 192aa sequence. This is the case and what is happening to you. Stick with 191aa from now on.

How can you tell the difference?

[Mr Ontario]

Where abouts for you? Your abs? :)


It's just a simple with a slin pin bro..actually it's probably easier than subQ, you don;t have to pinch any skin or fat in my case...lol.

[PUMPON]

I'm on the kefei blues too. No red welts yet but carpel tunnel is kicking in. Hands are swollen too.

[tripleA]

Order from a source that knows he has 191aa.

Are you saying Kef makes 192 and 191? Really doesn't make sense. I'll post more tonite but don't believe welts are caused by 192 specifically.

[gustavo77]

Where abouts for you? Your abs? :)

If i shoot IM, which i do when i am bulking, i combine my GH with slin post workout and i shoot in the delt or pec or whatever, easy as pie...right now though i shooting mine Sub-q for fat loss and have not gotten any welts.

[gustavo77]

What is happening is that you have 192aa GH there and your body is rejecting it now. Soon this GH will be useless in your body and you will just be throwing your money away while injecting it as our natural GH sequence is 191aa. 191aa GH will work, but then once your body rejects it and build an immune to it then it is totally worthless after for you to use. Some can use 192aa and never have a problem while others will use it first time and their body will reject the 192aa sequence. This is the case and what is happening to you. Stick with 191aa from now on.

This is very unsettling...although my guy told me emphatically that the kefei i have are 191aa and none of my friends nor I have gotten any welts, it still makes me wonder...I have to say though that i am now 5 months in on these kefei and the results are still becoming more apparent each week, so mabe there are 191 and 192aa kefei but mine are certainly producing results like 191.

[Mr Ontario]

You must be like me....with no fat...although I have never done it IM.



If i shoot IM, which i do when i am bulking, i combine my GH with slin post workout and i shoot in the delt or pec or whatever, easy as pie...right now though i shooting mine Sub-q for fat loss and have not gotten any welts.

[shithead]

Where abouts for you? Your abs? :)

I had welts for the first two shots, so I dont know if I had a reaction or not. I dilute with sodium chloride .9%. I thought this might be the reason for my crazy edema, but it only contains 900mg/100ml sodium chloride.

[Mr Ontario]

I have always used bactostatic water for my GH....unless the water is supplied in the case of my Humantrope.

[tripleA]

What is happening is that you have 192aa GH there and your body is rejecting it now. Soon this GH will be useless in your body and you will just be throwing your money away while injecting it as our natural GH sequence is 191aa. 191aa GH will work, but then once your body rejects it and build an immune to it then it is totally worthless after for you to use. Some can use 192aa and never have a problem while others will use it first time and their body will reject the 192aa sequence. This is the case and what is happening to you. Stick with 191aa from now on.

Possible but doubtful. That was my 2nd shot. Antibodies usually take a while to develop not immediately or an hour later. And don't think antibodies would be localized only to the injection site. From what I've read it's probably due to preservatives or impurity of the hgh. Or it could be just a bad shot. I read on the Jintropin site that claim that 192 is only stable at room temp for a few days. If that was true, after all the shipping, all 192 hgh would be pretty much useless and no one would be getting results off the Kefs.

Did my 3rd shot today. Right lower back side - no welts, nothing.
Things I did differently:
1) added an extra 10iu of BW for more dilution
2) I have 5/16" slin pins but I always only go 1/2 way in. And on the welt shot (left side) I never pinch the skin since it is too difficult. Always pinch for right side. Perhaps I did not go deep enough into the fat.
3) Injected slower and not Grand Prix style.

[tripleA]

I have always used bactostatic water for my GH....unless the water is supplied in the case of my Humantrope.

Wanna trade? ;)

[Mr Ontario]

Nope! lol


Wanna trade? ;)

[canadianmuscle0803]

i get welts from kefei blue tops.. if you want to avoid this all together just shot in into your muscle, im assuming your can still use a slin needle, you look rather lean.. the welts are not a big deal.. it does not mean the GH is not real or anything like that.. it actually has something to do with the amino acid chain.. if you go on the MD forum you can get a clear cut answer from Palumbo..

[shithead]

i get welts from kefei blue tops.. if you want to avoid this all together just shot in into your muscle, im assuming your can still use a slin needle, you look rather lean.. the welts are not a big deal.. it does not mean the GH is not real or anything like that.. it actually has something to do with the amino acid chain.. if you go on the MD forum you can get a clear cut answer from Palumbo..

Palumbo has been discredited before, but he says welts equal 192aa

[frenchy]

taken kefei blu caps for 4 months no problems.. Its normal to get a welt for a couple seconds till the liquid dissipates.

[St]

taken kefei blu caps for 4 months no problems.. Its normal to get a welt for a couple seconds till the liquid dissipates.

That is what i have notice.

[frenchy]

from what I can gather the only way to tell if your gh is 192 or 191 is by lab analasys.
If someone tells you this is 191aa and they haven't had it analyzed then they don't really know.

[Dr.Dose]

How can you tell the difference?

You simply cannot, it is who makes it rather. Some companies make 191aa and some make 192aa. 192aa is much cheaper to manufacture/produce.

[Dr.Dose]

This is very unsettling...although my guy told me emphatically that the kefei i have are 191aa and none of my friends nor I have gotten any welts, it still makes me wonder...I have to say though that i am now 5 months in on these kefei and the results are still becoming more apparent each week, so mabe there are 191 and 192aa kefei but mine are certainly producing results like 191.

They will produce results like 191aa, but once your body builds an immune to them then they stop working. So they work, and they will work just like our natural sequence of 191aa that is present in our bodies but once immune to it then will not work anymore as the body will reject it. Also kefei makes 192aa for the record ;-).

[ergie]

Yeah I wasn't too impressed with those Kefei kits, some seemed to work and some didn't....... I think the fact that they were not vacuum sealed had something to do with that.

[gustavo77]

They will produce results like 191aa, but once your body builds an immune to them then they stop working. So they work, and they will work just like our natural sequence of 191aa that is present in our bodies but once immune to it then will not work anymore as the body will reject it. Also kefei makes 192aa for the record ;-).

Well i am almost 6 months in with these kefei and still get good results...can you tell me what solid proof you have that kefei are 192aa?? Don't get me wrong as i know that you are well respected and are very knowledgeable but i read some solid info that Gensci, Kefei and Hygene (makers of hygetropin) all purchase their raw GH from the same factory....We know that jin and legit hygetropin is 191aa, so why wouldn't kefei be as well...i am just looking for some solid evidence that's all, no offense bro.

[Dr.Dose]

Well i am almost 6 months in with these kefei and still get good results...can you tell me what solid proof you have that kefei are 192aa?? Don't get me wrong as i know that you are well respected and are very knowledgeable but i read some solid info that Gensci, Kefei and Hygene (makers of hygetropin) all purchase their raw GH from the same factory....We know that jin and legit hygetropin is 191aa, so why wouldn't kefei be as well...i am just looking for some solid evidence that's all, no offense bro.

hey bro, you will not find solid proof on this until you are actually there. And when you say "i read some solid info that Gensci, Kefei and Hygene (makers of hygetropin) all purchase their raw GH from the same factory", can you please share this solid proof here? Or is it just something that someone wrote on a message board? I can assure you that GenSci as well as Hyge do not purchase raws bro. They make them, this is a fact ;-).

[gustavo77]

hey bro, you will not find solid proof on this until you are actually there. And when you say "i read some solid info that Gensci, Kefei and Hygene (makers of hygetropin) all purchase their raw GH from the same factory", can you please share this solid proof here? Or is it just something that someone wrote on a message board? I can assure you that GenSci as well as Hyge do not purchase raws bro. They make them, this is a fact ;-).

Nah bro, i cannot proof that they purchase raws from the same place, it is just something i read....there is just so much mis-info out there about most everything nowadays and some of it is being spread by very "respected" members of the community...

[JonnyO]

I;ve used the 192aa and didnt have any problems. This was after using the Jins for 5+ months. I didnt get any welts and actually liked them better, less H20, no CT and swollen forearms and numb arms. But still got the same effect I was wanting which was fat loss and that full look you get when on GH. I was in contest prep at the time. So I can honestly say they worked well for me for 3+ months I was on them.

[canadianmuscle0803]

i have been getting welts from kefei's, try injecting really slow it has reduced the size of the welts big time.. on the other hand, if you dont want to worry about the welts at all, just inject straight into the muscle, using a slin pin should be fine for this procedure as well.

[deleteduser0002]

They will produce results like 191aa, but once your body builds an immune to them then they stop working. So they work, and they will work just like our natural sequence of 191aa that is present in our bodies but once immune to it then will not work anymore as the body will reject it. Also kefei makes 192aa for the record ;-).


Once your body builds a tolerance to the 192aa will the 191aa still work for you, or are you screwed at that point?

[canadianmuscle0803]

which company still produces 192aa anyways? i didn't think this was on the market any longer? can someone fill me in.. kefei's are 191aa..

[bmorlock]

so whats the verdict 191 or 192 ???

[gustavo77]

Well although i do respect Dr. Doses' opinion, my "guy" knows the owner of the kefei brand personally and assures me that they are 191aa. In any case, I along with many of my friends are using kefei with great results...IMO if it works this well, why even worry....

[canadianmuscle0803]

Well although i do respect Dr. Doses' opinion, my "guy" knows the owner of the kefei brand personally and assures me that they are 191aa. In any case, I along with many of my friends are using kefei with great results...IMO if it works this well, why even worry....

amen

[shithead]

Well although i do respect Dr. Doses' opinion, my "guy" knows the owner of the kefei brand personally and assures me that they are 191aa. In any case, I along with many of my friends are using kefei with great results...IMO if it works this well, why even worry....


My "guy" knows the owner GenLei. lol

Your "guy" has vested interest. In the underground tales make sales my friend.

[ergie]

Well although i do respect Dr. Doses' opinion, my "guy" knows the owner of the kefei brand personally and assures me that they are 191aa. In any case, I along with many of my friends are using kefei with great results...IMO if it works this well, why even worry....

Your guy is an idiot though...... no offence to you of course.

[Mr Ontario]

Ya.....that does seem like a big claim. Must get your GH for real cheap then if your that close to the source itself! :)

[PUMPON]

No red welts, but my feet have been swollen the last couple days. Can hardly walk after work. I don't know if this is from the gh or not but it sucks!

[Mr.Freeze]

Your guy is an idiot though...... no offence to you of course.

got that right!

[gustavo77]

got that right!

He is talking about a totally different guy Freeze, but thanks for adding your two ****ing cents anyways bud... Look if kefei was 192AA then we would of heard of at least ONE person who had diminishing/limited results, as a result of the body building up anti-bodies against the 192aa amino chain. So far we have heard nothing. And i along with my best friend have been on them for a while now (me almost 6 months, him 8 months) and are still getting great results...shitty 192aa GH?? The real world evidence says no way and that says a lot more than a few guys comments...

[MassNutrition]

You guys better make up your minds real quick... I'm sitting on 6 kits of Kefs and 6 kits of the generic blue tops. I don't know which one to take or which one to start off with... or maybe combine both.

[ergie]

Go with the generics bud. I have no clue whether Kefei's are 191 or 192 but I do know that Kefei's are NOT vacuum sealed, GH degrades very quickly if it isn't so go with the generics they should be and should be more consistent in strength.

[Mr.Freeze]

He is talking about a totally different guy Freeze, but thanks for adding your two ****ing cents anyways bud... Look if kefei was 192AA then we would of heard of at least ONE person who had diminishing/limited results, as a result of the body building up anti-bodies against the 192aa amino chain. So far we have heard nothing. And i along with my best friend have been on them for a while now (me almost 6 months, him 8 months) and are still getting great results...shitty 192aa GH?? The real world evidence says no way and that says a lot more than a few guys comments...
Looks like you have alot of good friends!! :laugh Bro your guy is a liar,he just wanna make money on your back thats all. I dont see why a guy, not even a friend of yours would start telling you he knows the maker and this and that,if it was true he would not tell everybody who wanna know.
one more thing IF it was true that your guy is well connected then i would kick your ass big time for opening your mouth on a public board!!Its the best way to get LE on you and the labs back and maybe get busted too:o
That was my two cents.

[gustavo77]

Looks like you have alot of good friends!! :laugh Bro your guy is a liar,he just wanna make money on your back thats all. I dont see why a guy, not even a friend of yours would start telling you he knows the maker and this and that,if it was true he would not tell everybody who wanna know.
one more thing IF it was true that your guy is well connected then i would kick your ass big time for opening your mouth on a public board!!Its the best way to get LE on you and the labs back and maybe get busted too:o
That was my two cents.

Just cause i know a guy, who happens to be Chinese, who happens to live in China, who happens to know the man behind the kefei brand, does not constitute anything illegal...since when it is illegal to know a guy, who knows a guy??

[ergie]

Kiss and make up you guys

[gustavo77]

Your right Ferg....I got nothin' but love for ya Freeze. Why don't you come over to Ontario sometime so i can give you a big, wet, sloppy kiss. You big, French teddy bear..lol.

[ergie]

there ya go....... I just might fly over there and join you two.

[champcar99]

that was exciting , I thought you 2 were going to be going outside for a little TANGO....lol..

[Mr.Freeze]

LOL i was meaning: if one of my friend was really close to the owner of lab X or a guy who know's him i would keep it LOW cuz let says that LE is trying to find out who's the guy running lab X than after what you said before for sure they will start to watch you and if what you said before was true eventualy you could get everybody in shit all the up to the LAB.
Be sure i got nothing against you Gustav you look like a good guy but you just need to be more carefull with what you say so you dont get your friend or you in trouble.
If your not here anymore it will be sad cuz i will have to find some one else to cheat on Ferg. Oups!

[champcar99]

Be sure i got nothing against you Gustav you look like a good guy but you just need to be more carefull with what you say so you dont get your friend or you in trouble.
If your not here anymore it will be sad cuz i will have to find some one else to cheat on Ferg. Oups!


how sweet...lol..:friday

[gustavo77]

LOL i was meaning: if one of my friend was really close to the owner of lab X or a guy who know's him i would keep it LOW cuz let says that LE is trying to find out who's the guy running lab X than after what you said before for sure they will start to watch you and if what you said before was true eventualy you could get everybody in shit all the up to the LAB.
Be sure i got nothing against you Gustav you look like a good guy but you just need to be more carefull with what you say so you dont get your friend or you in trouble.
If your not here anymore it will be sad cuz i will have to find some one else to cheat on Ferg. Oups!

Freeze i knew exactly what you meant bro but i am not talking about a UG lab here or anything illegal. Kefei/Biotech is a licensed company in China. Saying that i know a guy who knows the owner of the kefei brand is like saying "i know a guy who knows the CEO of Phizer and he said this about this product..." Nothing illegal discussed here. If LE needs any info they can contact Kefei/Biotech China...mabe they can find out if it is 191 or 192aa...lol. Seriously though all this discussion is merely hypothetical roleplay....i don;t use any of this shit, i just like to research and learn. :)

[tripleA]

Go with the generics bud. I have no clue whether Kefei's are 191 or 192 but I do know that Kefei's are NOT vacuum sealed, GH degrades very quickly if it isn't so go with the generics they should be and should be more consistent in strength.

Aren't Kefs generic? Kefs are vacuum sealed. Mine are anyways. When I put the needle thru the vial, the water goes in by itself. It may not be as strong a vacuum as Jins, but still is.

[gustavo77]

Aren't Kefs generic? Kefs are vacuum sealed. Mine are anyways. When I put the needle thru the vial, the water goes in by itself. It may not be as strong a vacuum as Jins, but still is.

This is correct. Strange but some of the kefeis have a strong vacuum, while others seem to have no vacuum at all..

[Mr.Freeze]

i don;t use any of this shit, i just like to research and learn.

same over here!:yeah

[ergie]

Aren't Kefs generic? Kefs are vacuum sealed. Mine are anyways. When I put the needle thru the vial, the water goes in by itself. It may not be as strong a vacuum as Jins, but still is.

Really, all of the ones I had no vacuum at all. The generics I have had pull the water out pretty quick.

BTW Freeze take that Habs pic off of your profile lol

[canadianmuscle0803]

my kefeis are vacuum sealed.. when i inject the slin pin inside the vial, the water goes in on its own.. but i notice that the yellow tops did this more often and more consistently..