cycle advise

[triad7]

Hey guys, would like some advice on a first cycle... 26, 6'2", 235lb @ 14% BF, training 4 years, solid diet (would like to drop 2 - 3% BF before cycle)

My goal is to gain mass, would like it to be lean as possible, but if i gain BF and water weight I'm not too worried...

I would like recovery / side effects be as min as possible, while on and during/after PCT...

Anyways pretty standard just want to make sure:

week 1 - 14 Test E 500mg/week 250mg tuesday / 250mg thursday
week 6 - 16 HCG 500iu/week 250iu tuesday / 250iu thursday (one 5000 iu bottle)
week 16 - 20 Nolvadex 40mg ED /40mg ED /20mg ED /20mg ED

Aromasin @ 12.5mg/day if any signs of gyno

Thanks for the advise

[moh2010]

Hey guys, would like some advice on a first cycle... 26, 6'2", 235lb @ 14% BF, training 4 years, solid diet (would like to drop 2 - 3% BF before cycle)

My goal is to gain mass, would like it to be lean as possible, but if i gain BF and water weight I'm not too worried...

I would like recovery / side effects be as min as possible, while on and during/after PCT...

Anyways pretty standard just want to make sure:

week 1 - 14 Test E 500mg/week 250mg tuesday / 250mg thursday
week 6 - 16 HCG 500iu/week 250iu tuesday / 250iu thursday (one 5000 iu bottle)
week 16 - 20 Nolvadex 40mg ED /40mg ED /20mg ED /20mg ED

Aromasin @ 12.5mg/day if any signs of gyno

Thanks for the advise


hey man.


Try to lose some bodyfat, the leaner you are the easier it will be the build muscles. 10-12% would be good!

As for the pct, this is the best option for you IMO:

from praetorian::

PCT protocol

HCG 1000iu every third day for two weeks starting 2 weeks after your last sust shot( you do not want blood androgen levels to be near zero)
Concurrently with the hcg you need an AI...aromasin at 25mg ED is fine (if you do not use an AI you will drastically slow recovery if not stop it altogether)
After the hcg is completed run 50mg twice daily of clomid for three weeks(or 40mg of nolva once a day).

While taking HCG you should also be using an AI...such as Aromasin or Femara...Nolvadex will work but will lead to issues when you stop it.... again slowing recovery. An AI used concurrently will prevent the formation of estrogen to begin with and thus excess estrogen in the system does not occur. (excess estrogen hampers recovery via the negative feedback loop) With Nolvadex used concurrently you will block the estrogen formed from the HCG usage but this does not prevent the estrogen from being created in the first place. If you are not using an AI and just nolva you will have an large amount of estrogen in your system by the end of the HCG cycle and when the nolva is stopped this estrogen will again supress LH production causing delayed recovery.

The best method for the quickest recovery is to run HCG along with an AI, once the HCG is completed (2-3 weeks) the AI can be stopped or the dosage cut in half and nolva or clomid or both can be used for 3 weeks...then wait two weeks and get full blood work done.
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[gregdoucette]

250 test E tues and thur makes no sence to me. why not take it every 3.5 days for more stable blood levels.

[bigtavi8]

Like Greg sed! Do this:
Monday morn 250mg test e, thursday night 250mg test e.

[triad7]

I'll be between 10 - 12 % BF by the time I start no problem...

I was hoping to run tuesday and thursday as I have a nurse to do the shots for me during those times... but I'm a big boy I'm sure I can do it myself (just never done it before)

Anyways this is what i'll be looking at:

week 1 - 14 Test E 500mg/week 250mg monday morn / 250mg thursday night
two weeks after last shot:
week 17 - 19 HCG 1000iu/E3D
week 17 - 19 Aromasin 25mg/ED
week 19 - 22 Nolvadex 40mg ED /40mg ED /20mg ED

[bigtavi8]

Looks perfect now give er a go and keep us posted on results. You will find pinning so easy you would not want to waste time getting someone else to do it. Just way easier and quicker doing it solo.

[Big D]

congrats !! I know its always exciting starting your first cycle.


I wish i would see more post like this, this is the perfect first cycle.

[triad7]

Sweet thanks guys, super pumped... I'll be going all out hopefully get some good results!

Should I have some extra Aromasin (or HCG for ball shrinkage) on hand incase of any signs of gyno, 14 weeks is on the longer side for a first cycle, not entirely sure how my body will react...

[moh2010]

Sweet thanks guys, super pumped... I'll be going all out hopefully get some good results!

Should I have some extra Aromasin (or HCG for ball shrinkage) on hand incase of any signs of gyno, 14 weeks is on the longer side for a first cycle, not entirely sure how my body will react...

In my opinion, you should stick to 10weeks for your first cycle. The longer you're on, the harder it can be to recover.

If I were you, I would keep the rest of the test for another cycle. Well you'll see... Usually after 10 weeks of hardcore training, you feel pretty much beat up.

[jzutz]

Bro if you are under 30 , I would run a longer cycle , as you get older its harder to recover , Test e and c take about 4 weeks to notice any affects anyway;; Also do some more reading about hcg use;; there are manyways to use it for recovery;; I take mine in last 2 weeks of cycle to bring the boys back to size and life ( 500iu e3d) , and then start pct with clomid and nolva

[triad7]

Update:
Three weeks in, feel like superman... eating 4000-4500 cals per day, up 10lb, holding water but doesn't seem bad at all, I already see gains, lifts up ~20% all around...

zero sides besides my skin being a little bit more oily, no acne, body is reacting very well...horny as a mother ****er

Cut out the HCG, final cycle is going to be (unless you guys say other wise):

week 1 - 12 Test E 500mg/week 250mg monday morn / 250mg thursday night
two weeks after last shot:
week 14 - 18 Nolvadex 40mg ED /40mg ED /20mg ED /20mg ED
week 14 - 18 Clomid 100mg ED / 100mg ED /50mg ED /50mg ED

I have some anavar that i was thinking about taking at 6 - 12 weeks but I don't think I will, i'm already happy with how things are progressing.

And does it matter where I pin? (which I now look forward to doing) I just been doing it in my quads as its easy to reach.

[Jameson]

If you do say **** it and want to run the anavar think of running it past you last injection of test. Test has a half life of two weeks where as anavar, if I remeber correctly, is 8-12 hrs. If you stop the var the same time as test you''ll have to wait two weeks for pct, due to test. Might as well do the var from weeks 8 - 14, take advantage of the time and test in your system. You can start PCT immediatly once you've finished the var. If you are going to run the var how much do you intend to use daily?

[Feenom]

I don't know why you guys always include HCG in your cycles. I haven't used HCG ever and I bounce back fine and my blood work is good too. Waste of money in my opinion.