Crossing the Canadian border last night..........

[Definate]

I was coming home last night from the Rainbow Bridge with my mom and sister. We went for a day trip to Buffalo, NY. We probably spent no more than 200 bucks U.S. between the three of us. My mom and sister bought four pillows, kitchen stuff, typical women stuff for the house, etc. Nothing over board. No Alcohol or cigarettes. At the booth driving up there was an older Canadian gentleman CBSA officer and he questioned us in a rude manner saying "what did you do all day"? "you just spent that little". I did not lie to him. I mean who the **** is he to question what we did? Maybe we went for a day trip to go sight seeing why is he starting to imply shit right off the bat? He tells us to drive into inspection. I told the first Renegade CBSA officer that approached to inspect my vehicle to go "**** himself and his mother". He was pissed! He just cam across as a very snotty individual he tried to get a rise out of me and was up in my face, typical authorities stunt crap to get a bigger rise out of you. His CBSA officers were pulling him back as if he was a tough guy. Way to go, he can't even deescalate the situation....he approached me like he is a thug and his partners have to hold him back. **** him!
He was up in my face....literally. Luckily I was not on any TEST, (THANK GOD) or I would have flipped. I was flipping though, but no threats! (I'm not stupid) He went over my whole car with a fine tooth comb going into my sisters purse(left in the car) and searching all the tight and hard to reach areas of the car. When I approached to see what he is doing. He tells me "I told you to get up to the front of the car"!. Why do I have to stand anywhere I wanna watch what he is doing. That is bullshit treatment. I pay taxes in this country. What could this officer do to me, I'm clean, no criminal record. I was thinking that if I really get out of line ever, that these type of renegades can plant something and incriminate me. I got to tone down my temper for any future trips. I just can't stand being dicked around by a young tough guy who thinks he has authority over my rights.

Oh, the end result, they fines my mom for $25.00 dollars Cad in taxes. And the only way they caught on was that the stuff they bought were in bags and had reciepts left inside the bags. There could have been new stuff in the car but without receipts they can't prove anything. Wow, what a big score for CBSA!
.....****ing trolls.

[Definate]

there was more stuff in the car that I bought, but I left the receipts in my pockets and my stuff was not bagged. I did not buy anything of great value just a shovel and garden supplies that I found for a good deal at home depot. But without receipts they can't prove anything. That's what they are looking for. You can see them pile up the receipts as they search. They are looking for other things too like drugs, weapons.

I told him it is "mother****ers" like him that have brought this country back. I gave him the finger, grabbed my cock too while I talked to him.

I need to relax!
****!

[Ironfist]

I know exactly what you are talking about. My wife and I live half an hour from the border and every time we go through I get pulled into a room for questioning. It pisses me off. The last time I got asked to flip the band on the inside of my ball cap to make sure i had no drugs in there. They also asked me how much money I had available to me on my debit card...really... what the **** do they need to know that for. Its none of their ****ing business. My wife was in another room and she had a ticket for canadian nationals in her purse and they asked her if she had steroids on her. It makes us feel like not going back. We went down for the weekend once and I took a jug of protein with us and they stuck their ****ing hands all through the jug looking for shit. If I could of hit them I would have lol.

[Definate]

I know exactly what you are talking about. My wife and I live half an hour from the border and every time we go through I get pulled into a room for questioning. It pisses me off. The last time I got asked to flip the band on the inside of my ball cap to make sure i had no drugs in there. They also asked me how much money I had available to me on my debit card...really... what the **** do they need to know that for. Its none of their ****ing business. My wife was in another room and she had a ticket for canadian nationals in her purse and they asked her if she had steroids on her. It makes us feel like not going back. We went down for the weekend once and I took a jug of protein with us and they stuck their ****ing hands all through the jug looking for shit. If I could of hit them I would have lol.


Wow, that is intrusive bro. We are talking about the Canadian Border Officials here... right? Someone has to put a stop to this. It is insulting and you are a tax payer in Canada...like me and everyone else for that matter. We should all file a formal complaint. At least I got him and told him to go **** himself etc. He was livid. That's exactly what they want you to do...not go back. They want you demoralized, humiliated and fearful. That is the Governments agenda for it's citizens. Ask any learned person and they will agree 100%
A scared citizen will always stay in line. They are ****ing with our psych to an extent. If they can get us by that 0.01 percent... they will do it!

Bro you are in their sight. You have attracted attention by your physique and or your wife's. Although I do not know you I cannot honestly say. But I think I have a good idea. You are probably a bodybuilding couple.:yeah

[GYMBRAT]

I DESPISE our Boarder, they are sooo demeaning to their fellow Canucks its truly disgusting and embarrassing to say the very least!!!

sad, very sad!

GB

[megwell]

i cross the boarder every 5 days or so....... i always expect that they will search my vehcile.......and i always assume that they will think i''m lying to they or bs'ing them.......... that way i can kinda expect a bit of attitude from them.........

but on the same note.....im more of a prick to canadian boarder people than the americans |LOL

[Ironfist]

Ya we are a bodybuilding couple. We never have too much problems with the canadian side its always the States side. I hate when they pull everything out of your wallet and then tell you to put it back in. They are the most disrespectful assholes I have ever met.lol

[Ironfist]

We have 2 entry ways into the States. The one is a 24 hour border which is half an hour away and the other is 10min away but only open till 9pm. the closer one we seem to have no problems with so we go that way now. The 24 hour border is filled with pricks.

[Definate]

i cross the boarder every 5 days or so....... i always expect that they will search my vehcile.......and i always assume that they will think i''m lying to they or bs'ing them.......... that way i can kinda expect a bit of attitude from them.........

but on the same note.....im more of a prick to canadian boarder people than the americans |LOL


I have more problems with the Canadians when returning and I am Canadian. Born in Canada but with an obvious "European" sounding name.

do you think they could have charged me when I told one of the officers to "go f himself and his mom" e.t.c, middle finger, you're a ****ing disgrace."
I went the whole nine yards....sorry if I'm offending anyone here by me typing this out, but I have a bad temper and I refuse to go on any gear because it will get worse.

I mean don't you have to threaten the border guards in Canada for them to actually charge you?

[Definate]

We have 2 entry ways into the States. The one is a 24 hour border which is half an hour away and the other is 10min away but only open till 9pm. the closer one we seem to have no problems with so we go that way now. The 24 hour border is filled with pricks.

Aren't both border entrances 24 hour?

[Definate]

BTW what is it with this $3.25 fee to re-enter Canada. You all know that that money goes to the Federal Government of Canada don't you?
Disgusting cash grab. IMO

[Definate]

BTW, I don't normally insult people or their moms unless provoked and they really deserve it. It's just the way he spoke to me, it's like he was a cowboy.
Who the **** is this CBSA guy to tell me to shut the car off while he searches my vehicle????
I'll leave the car running if I want to, he can give me a citation for idling if he has that authority. They are just acting bigger than they are.
The CBSA just recently got the authority to carry firearms at the Border crossing, before that it was just batons and handcuffs, pepper spray too. It's probably gone to their head...thinking they're as bad ass as their American counter parts.
All the other CBSA officers were humble...this one CBSA officer had a big chip on his shoulder and he single me out to make his authority known.
So I told him the way it is....at least to me!

[Definate]

Ya we are a bodybuilding couple. We never have too much problems with the canadian side its always the States side. I hate when they pull everything out of your wallet and then tell you to put it back in. They are the most disrespectful assholes I have ever met.lol

If they pull it all out they should put back in. They wouldn't treat American citizens like that. You know why they do that?
because they know you will have to put the stuff back into your wallet. Because if you give them attitude they will just deny you entry into the U.S. since you are a visitor to their country. Bro they will treat you like shit because there is not a damn thing you can do about it unless you are a citizen of that country.

My problems are always on the Canadian side. Last night after the CBSA emptied the entire car and took out everything... they put it back just the way it was. That's what I was describing in my posts here. Yanks usually don't bother me much, I can respect their questioning, you know why?
because I'm not a citizen of that country and I'm visiting, so they have every right to do what they do, to a certain point!
But me being a Canadian Citizen and coming back from Europe, U.S. and getting hounded by Canadian officials is B.S.!

I'm gonna sue if ever anything serious arises.

[razorsedge]

CBSA can be asses as described here. Going into USA you get the usual line and you just answer the questions and are gone...but the Cdns seem to be on a supreme power trip...especially the younger ones and no disrespect but the females...lord jesus...what is with these women. Most are overweight and miserable and I've had my share of "debates" with them as cross regularly. A few weeks back, after going thru the regular condescending questions...and the doubting face looking at me as they think it is impossible to go the US and not bring back alcohol or tobacco...and outright rudeness...I said..you know, if you don't enjoy your job, you should look at something else because everytime I speak with you ur a miserable person...she didn't know what to say back and told me to go...had her again yesterday and she was sweet as pie...huh..anyway, sorry to digress but definitley have way more issues coming into our own country...we're all criminals and smugglers you know...

[Definate]

CBSA can be asses as described here. Going into USA you get the usual line and you just answer the questions and are gone...but the Cdns seem to be on a supreme power trip...especially the younger ones and no disrespect but the females...lord jesus...what is with these women. Most are overweight and miserable and I've had my share of "debates" with them as cross regularly. A few weeks back, after going thru the regular condescending questions...and the doubting face looking at me as they think it is impossible to go the US and not bring back alcohol or tobacco...and outright rudeness...I said..you know, if you don't enjoy your job, you should look at something else because everytime I speak with you ur a miserable person...she didn't know what to say back and told me to go...had her again yesterday and she was sweet as pie...huh..anyway, sorry to digress but definitley have way more issues coming into our own country...we're all criminals and smugglers you know...


You know what brother.....
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!:)

3 years ago I'm about to board a plane at Pearson Intl. A fat FEMALE CBSA officer came over to harass the **** out of me and question me like she owned me. This is around the time they brought in the law that you need to declare anything over $10 000.00. The questions she asked of me was why, I am going on a trip, what for, who will you be staying with. Bro I almost flipped out. She told me to stand still while she called over a male officer to pat me down. He took out $6000 bucks I had in my pocket. She asked if I had more bank drafts in my luggage. She looked at my I.D. and saw my Private Investigators license. She said to her male co worker: "go easy on him, he's a P.I.> and works for "such and such" (she said the name of the company out loud).

She jotted down my info, (for no reason) she probably entered crap on the database about me. I asked for her supervisor...she said: "he is not here today" what B.S. she then gave me his supposed phone number to call tomorrow knowing damn well I'm leaving the country for 6 weeks.

It's funny, that when she called the male officer over to search me, he looked at her like wtf?
she then questioned him again saying: "did you search him good". She was dying to find something on me.

Another time I was in a line up coming back from Milan, Italy at Pearson. Huge line up and slowly slowly coming to front declaration officer. I saw an opening and a FEMALE CBSA officer called me "rude" because I "budded in". The old folks that were in line prior too, told me to go before them as they wanted a translator and stepped back to wait for one. Shows you how stupid they are. They assume stuff that has no foundation.


Hey, any of you know if a CBSA officer can enter comments on your passport in their database because they personally dislike someone..."as being difficult" e.t.c. without you knowing?

[Ironfist]

not all borders are 24hour. The one that we have that isn't is on a less travelled secondary highway so they are only open till 9pm.

[Definate]

not all borders are 24hour. The one that we have that isn't is on a less travelled secondary highway so they are only open till 9pm.

Just name it bro.....lol
don't be afraid of them busting us....lol
You're talking about Rainbow bridge right?

[Ironfist]

The border that we have the issues with is North Portal. Its the border crossing between North Dakota and Saskatchewan. It's weird that we have issues with the US side and you have issues with the Canadian side. The Canadian side has been really good with us.

[Definate]

The border that we have the issues with is North Portal. Its the border crossing between North Dakota and Saskatchewan. It's weird that we have issues with the US side and you have issues with the Canadian side. The Canadian side has been really good with us.

Most probably there is less cross border activity for shopping in that part of the province concerning Canada & America. Southern Ontario has been doing the cross border shopping thing for years and years trying to beat the higher Canadian taxes.

[Mr Ontario]

Can they pat you down now at land border crossing as they are at air ports now?

[Definate]

Can they pat you down now at land border crossing as they are at air ports now?

they didn't pat me down.

[Definate]

This young male CBSA officer I had a beef with made one fateful mistake which could have cost him his career(at the extreme end of the scale).

When I approached to watch when he was searching my sisters purse that she left in the car or when he was going into the glove box, arm rest of the car. He yelled that I should stand far away from the vehicle. Why what is there to hide?
searches should be done in the open. I could have commented after the search was done that there was money missing. Be it small amounts i.e. toonies or five dollar bills.

A search must always be done with a witness watching and in the open with the occupier watching also. I have seen how court officer security personnel do it at court houses they do not touch monetary bills or go into a woman's purse without her watching and another officer nearby.

Anything can be said.

[razorsedge]

This young male CBSA officer I had a beef with made one fateful mistake which could have cost him his career(at the extreme end of the scale).

When I approached to watch when he was searching my sisters purse that she left in the car or when he was going into the glove box, arm rest of the car. He yelled that I should stand far away from the vehicle. Why what is there to hide?
searches should be done in the open. I could have commented after the search was done that there was money missing. Be it small amounts i.e. toonies or five dollar bills.

A search must always be done with a witness watching and in the open with the occupier watching also. I have seen how court officer security personnel do it at court houses they do not touch monetary bills or go into a woman's purse without her watching and another officer nearby.

Anything can be said.

That would be the smartest thing for the officer to do..have someone watch as they search a purse etc as it does away with any doubt...the more seasoned and smarter ones will ask you to empty the contents out on a table in front of them and then ask for the supposed empty purse to search...as far as patdowns..if they suspect and have "reasonable and probable grounds" to search you and your conveyance, then you may be subjected to a patdown...if they tell you thats whats coming..calmly ask them to expalin to you why and their grounds...they fukin hate having to articulate their grounds and they will likely escalate the contact...you'll still get searched but u were going to anyway and if u want to aggravate them,,,ask them...also...you can ask to speak with counsel prior to a search as you are being detained at that point...be smart with it tho...you pick ur times to ask these questions. If you are absolutely clean, its a good time to ask and make them articulate their rationale...most can't, especially the younger ones. They'll refer to they have the right to search anyone...they do...with appropriate grounds but 9 out of 10 times, they are over the line and using intimidation tactics to make u think u have to comply...the calmer you are and the more questions you ask...the more the situation will escalate on the officers part...its great to have the cell phones with the recorders in them and have them on too...in the open..that totally turns the tables on them and they do not like it...why are we such pricks eh...

[Talo]

Just because they have a bad attitude doesn't mean you should have one too. If you show them respect ( even if you don't want to ) they might just be nicer to you.

Just like when a cop pulls someone over for speeding or whatever. Show them the respect they want and don't come with the **** you attitude and more than half the time you will get off with a warning.

[GYMBRAT]

Just because they have a bad attitude doesn't mean you should have one too. If you show them respect ( even if you don't want to ) they might just be nicer to you.

Just like when a cop pulls someone over for speeding or whatever. Show them the respect they want and don't come with the **** you attitude and more than half the time you will get off with a warning.

I've tried that (kissing ass) over and over again and it has maybe worked 1-2 times through out my 38 yrs of being alive, now I let them fkin have it if they get in my face.....cock suckers!!! :D

[Definate]

That would be the smartest thing for the officer to do..have someone watch as they search a purse etc as it does away with any doubt...the more seasoned and smarter ones will ask you to empty the contents out on a table in front of them and then ask for the supposed empty purse to search...as far as patdowns..if they suspect and have "reasonable and probable grounds" to search you and your conveyance, then you may be subjected to a patdown...if they tell you thats whats coming..calmly ask them to expalin to you why and their grounds...they fukin hate having to articulate their grounds and they will likely escalate the contact...you'll still get searched but u were going to anyway and if u want to aggravate them,,,ask them...also...you can ask to speak with counsel prior to a search as you are being detained at that point...be smart with it tho...you pick ur times to ask these questions. If you are absolutely clean, its a good time to ask and make them articulate their rationale...most can't, especially the younger ones. They'll refer to they have the right to search anyone...they do...with appropriate grounds but 9 out of 10 times, they are over the line and using intimidation tactics to make u think u have to comply...the calmer you are and the more questions you ask...the more the situation will escalate on the officers part...its great to have the cell phones with the recorders in them and have them on too...in the open..that totally turns the tables on them and they do not like it...why are we such pricks eh...

Exactly bro!

My mom went inside to the reception of customs to pay the supposed "Tax" at the border. She said you ain't going inside to argue with them as I was in that mood. She told me to stay put, and besides I don't want to argue with my family and have to hear their nagging on the way home so I just stayed put.

My mom goes inside and waits in line. The Female CBSA officer takes her info and requires the payment e.t.c. my mom says is this amount warranted etc?, basically she was asking to get off with a warning or a lesser fine.

My Mom tells me that she told her: "you wanna pay this, or do you want me to search your car further, and find more things, I guarantee you I will find more things". Now, what the hell is that supposed to mean??????

Her colleagues just searched the car with a fine tooth comb and never found "more things" than a $25.00 dollar tax and she is gonna find more?
so who is not doing their job here?
where do they get off with this attitude?

So basically that means that this female officer for CBSA is commenting about a situaution she is not even aware of and the limit of the search her colleagues have made....and she is gonna find more?
pleaze!!!!!!!!


Waste of man power and resources IMO to dick a family around when the real criminals are out there running free.

[Definate]

Just because they have a bad attitude doesn't mean you should have one too. If you show them respect ( even if you don't want to ) they might just be nicer to you.

Just like when a cop pulls someone over for speeding or whatever. Show them the respect they want and don't come with the **** you attitude and more than half the time you will get off with a warning.

I understand what you are talking about and I am not a combative guy. When I get pulled over by a cop I do not swear at them as you may think bro. I pay my taxes, I have no criminal record.

It's very hard to be confronted by some young brat giving you orders like you were born yesterday and talking down to you. Why were his colleagues not adopting the same B.S. attitude he showed me and chose to shut up while he felt the need to act like a renegade and insult me to my mom by calling me a jerk and ignorant.?

You were not there bro, and you should not judge. I bet you are a great guy and so am I, but I won't be dicked around like a low life. I pay taxes in Canada and I deserve some courtosy when spoken too. The yanks treat me with more courtosy and I'm a foroner in their country.

[razorsedge]

Agree 100% Talo with the police contact...but the CBSA people start the contact off with asking what u have or where u were...when u answer truthfully and politely..some, not all, get accusatory as if ur lying and they escalate the situation....and this is a regular thing despite how compliant you are...questioning every answer you give. Thats when I ask them politely to explain their rationale...which is a natural and normal question that most people want to ask but don't...and the situation worsens no matter how polite you are. It is the same officers over and over again....its like any profession or business...all the supervisors efforts are exhausted dealing with the same damn issues from the same people.

You start off respectful and it is their "duty" to be the same...but if they decide to escalate the situation and deviate from respectful questioning, I will usually continue to be compliant and answer questuions but ask my own...respect, like trust, are earned traits...their position gives them an "expectation of bilateral respect and trust"...but once it is abused and they deviate from that behaviour, the respect and trust goes with it as they are not operating within the scope of treating people fairly as per the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The authority that goes with these positions,i.e., the power to detain, search and seize, (the power to take away ones freedom) is the biggest abused power in law enforcement. I know this from many years of being involved in such activites...many people let that power take control of their personna, their actions and their emotions..it is just too immense for them.

Don't get me wrong as there is nothing better than a LE officer who properly knows how to operate within the parameters of the law and to use those powers effectively. When you deal with these people, you never even think of this as they are so smooth and professional in the execution of their duties...even if you get searched etc, it is done in such a way that you feel u r helping them and it is ur duty to comply...these type officers and actions never receive any attention from the media or from the citizens they serve because they are not controversial, and treat people as if the roles were reversed...it's the ones that deviate that screw things up...

[Definate]

You know what?

I just thought of it. I grow apples and recently went to a farmer friend who gave me some boron fertilizer in a zip lock bag. Maybe 1 kilo max was the total weight. It is needed in minute amounts per tree...FYI.

I did not have it in the trunk yesterday when I went over the border. But I am wondering what would happen if this young CBSA officer found this zip lock with the white powder(boron fertilizer) inside. Would I have been arrested off the bat by this officer finding this bag of boron?

For those of you who don't know what boron is. It is a trace element in soil that is required in small amounts by fruit trees especially apples to prevent certain deformities in fruit and to maximize fruit yields. Here is a link of what boron looks like, it is a white powder.

here:

[razorsedge]

Definate...gonna change ur name to "Defiant"...lol..have a good one man and great debate

[Definate]

Agree 100% Talo with the police contact...but the CBSA people start the contact off with asking what u have or where u were...when u answer truthfully and politely..some, not all, get accusatory as if ur lying and they escalate the situation....and this is a regular thing despite how compliant you are...questioning every answer you give. Thats when I ask them politely to explain their rationale...which is a natural and normal question that most people want to ask but don't...and the situation worsens no matter how polite you are. It is the same officers over and over again....its like any profession or business...all the supervisors efforts are exhausted dealing with the same damn issues from the same people.

You start off respectful and it is their "duty" to be the same...but if they decide to escalate the situation and deviate from respectful questioning, I will usually continue to be compliant and answer questuions but ask my own...respect, like trust, are earned traits...their position gives them an "expectation of bilateral respect and trust"...but once it is abused and they deviate from that behaviour, the respect and trust goes with it as they are not operating within the scope of treating people fairly as per the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The authority that goes with these positions,i.e., the power to detain, search and seize, (the power to take away ones freedom) is the biggest abused power in law enforcement. I know this from many years of being involved in such activites...many people let that power take control of their personna, their actions and their emotions..it is just too immense for them.

Don't get me wrong as there is nothing better than a LE officer who properly knows how to operate within the parameters of the law and to use those powers effectively. When you deal with these people, you never even think of this as they are so smooth and professional in the execution of their duties...even if you get searched etc, it is done in such a way that you feel u r helping them and it is ur duty to comply...these type officers and actions never receive any attention from the media or from the citizens they serve because they are not controversial, and treat people as if the roles were reversed...it's the ones that deviate that screw things up...



Bro it is so great to have you on the same page. It is like you are feeling the exact same thing as me. THEY ESCALATE the situation. They are the aggressors. I have NEVER met a cop who escalates and aggravates citizens as does the CBSA. CBSA insults you, your family and your intelligence.

And it gets worser than that.

[Definate]

I'm still wondering what would happen with the boron thing in my previous question.

Let's keep talking man, it is great I wanna hear.....I love debating.

[Definate]

Definate...gonna change ur name to "Defiant"...lol..have a good one man and great debate

No man, not gonna change the name to that..lol

Just a common man my friend, and a tax payer. I used to work as a jail guard WAY back and saw a lot of abuse of power that was not warranted. I will not be dicked around though.

[razorsedge]

I'm still wondering what would happen with the boron thing in my previous question.

Let's keep talking man, it is great I wanna hear.....I love debating.

You would likely be questioned as to what it is...I suspect you would be cautioned (police warning and advised right to counsel) first and ur answers, if you chose to answer would become part of that record. You may be arrested prior to this cautioning with the terms "u r being detained for investigation with respect to...whatever" ...eventually they would use a tester for coke and heroin on that kind of substance and get a neg response and things should calm down...as long as you stay calm and compliant...

[Definate]

You would likely be questioned as to what it is...I suspect you would be cautioned (police warning and advised right to counsel) first and ur answers, if you chose to answer would become part of that record. You may be arrested prior to this cautioning with the terms "u r being detained for investigation with respect to...whatever" ...eventually they would use a tester for coke and heroin on that kind of substance and get a neg response and things should calm down...as long as you stay calm and compliant...

Would you get a criminal record from an encounter such as this?
could you sue for false arrest?
would they handcuff you while being "investigated" to figure out what kind of substance is truly in the bag?

[razorsedge]

Would you get a criminal record from an encounter such as this?
could you sue for false arrest?
would they handcuff you while being "investigated" to figure out what kind of substance is truly in the bag?

No CR from this...you have to be charged/convicted to get CR...and even then, if u r charged / convicted and for some reason you don't get fingerprinted, no CR will exist. CR goes off FP records sent to Ottawa after charge / conviction.

U were not arrested falsely in such a situation...u may not have been arrested..you may have been "detained"...there is a diff but ur situation does present and constitute reasonable and prob grounds...no requirement for "evidence"...just grounds have to exist...and the substance has the appearance of a controlled substance

And u can and may be handcuffed in such a situation...to preserve evidence, officer and ur protection etc....its all up to the investigator and their competence / knowledge level...but my advise to you is not to provoke such a reaction by having such a substance in ur possession while crossing border..

[Talo]

I understand what you are talking about and I am not a combative guy. When I get pulled over by a cop I do not swear at them as you may think bro. I pay my taxes, I have no criminal record.

It's very hard to be confronted by some young brat giving you orders like you were born yesterday and talking down to you. Why were his colleagues not adopting the same B.S. attitude he showed me and chose to shut up while he felt the need to act like a renegade and insult me to my mom by calling me a jerk and ignorant.?

You were not there bro, and you should not judge. I bet you are a great guy and so am I, but I won't be dicked around like a low life. I pay taxes in Canada and I deserve some courtosy when spoken too. The yanks treat me with more courtosy and I'm a foroner in their country.


File a complaint if your unhappy with the way they treated you.

[Definate]

I hear you, good thing I used my noggin and took it out of the car the day before. Something that seems so innocent to us farmers on a day to day basis could create a lot of hassle. I personally cringed of the thought of being placed in handcuffs. Never been and want to keep it like that.

If such a thing did go down, they would no doubt label you as "suspicious" in their database, even if you are innocent. It's just the nature of the beast.

[Definate]

File a complaint if your unhappy with the way they treated you.

I didn't get his badge number

[Talo]

I remember about 10 years ago I had my car searched because I forgot to tell them that I had fruit in my cooler. :D

[Talo]

I didn't get his badge number

Just mention the time, date and place you went through and they will be easy to track down.

[Definate]

Just mention the time, date and place you went through and they will be easy to track down.

I don't want my name on Government file.

[Talo]

It already is, remember you pay your taxes :)

[rob66679]

I don't want my name on Government file.

Are you serious?
You just has issue's crossing the border, and now a border agent has a great big hate on for you...... They know everything about you right now lol.
name, address, description.......... you're gonna be flagged, and every time you cross the border for the next few years you're gonna have problems if they run your name, info etc........... welcome to the shitlist.

[Definate]

Are you serious?
You just has issue's crossing the border, and now a border agent has a great big hate on for you...... They know everything about you right now lol.
name, address, description.......... you're gonna be flagged, and every time you cross the border for the next few years you're gonna have problems if they run your name, info etc........... welcome to the shitlist.

I passed the check point with my family and went into the search area where the officers search the car for all returning Canadians. I highly doubt he jotted anything down on me. There were so many cars going in to be searched....I'm not the only one. The argument did not happen at the computer check point (where the booth you drive up to is.)
The CBSA guy I had words exchanged with did not have my I.D.
That is pretty much standard procedure at the drive up booth, he asked my family for their receipts, we could only produce 2, and he kept on insisting there was more. So he told us to drive into the "vehicle search" area. As with dozens of other vehicles.
I'm good to go.

[warlock]

Last labour day week I was pulled for the first time in my life.

Not even police in Brazil ever harassed me!

They stooped me asked how long I spent in Brazil, where I went in Brazil, what for
and when I told that I worked with fitness the questions finished.

Myself, another guy and a woman where send to secondary inspection.

The woman had bags that could have Shaquille O'neil in it and she just had her passport scanned.

The guy that was in shape like me had his luggage scanned only.

Myself? manual inspection.

I cooperated, avoided engaging in any way, gave short answers and they let m ego sooner than latter.

The facts are:

they need to show production and numbers
we are discriminated
there isn't anything that we can do other than cooperate if you don't want to be further harassed

[razorsedge]

ur dead on there WL..once you get referred for secondary, go with the flow and usually it goes way smoother and quicker...

[SuperQT]

Man that sucks I never have a problem crossing the boarder coming home. Going in a few times friend with a British passport took long for no good reason but nothing like you guys are talking about coming back into Canada.

I went black friday shopping this year was gone over 48 hours postive I spent more then $400 and I know I had more booze then I was supposed too. The guy didn't even ask if we had any alcohol or tobacco.

[Definate]

Went yesterday by myself again. Crossing into the U.S. no problems. American border agent looked in the back seat of the car DID not open trunk. He asked me 3 questions I gave straight answers he said "drive safe"...take care!

Coming back from the States ENTERING Canada. I drove up to the booth, I was questioned what did I buy?
I gave 2 receipts showing $24.00 U.S. funds. The Female officer at the booth then sends me to Secondary Inspection with a sum total of $30.00. I was given the Yellow paper and a Blue paper. The Blue Paper was some sort of "Questionaire" that was non related to CBSA.(I'll get to this end part later)

The two receipts were as follows:

$12.33
$11.88

How does this equal $30.00?

I went to a guard house with CBSA officers and they were basically doing nothing...then When I announced my presence they were eager to search me. One male officer from the group asked me for my "ID" again....I did not give it to him, as I said it has been checked already. I think he wanted to make his own notations on my file...good thing I did not give it to him.

There were 5 officers that searched my car and they found nothing to satisfy their needs I guess.
I had groceries in the trunk, Steak, Cheeses, Juices....they did not say anything.

The one Female officer that spoke to me told me "what did you do", give me of list of places you went, what are you studying in Canada, where do you work"?

[razorsedge]

Man that sucks I never have a problem crossing the boarder coming home. Going in a few times friend with a British passport took long for no good reason but nothing like you guys are talking about coming back into Canada.

I went black friday shopping this year was gone over 48 hours postive I spent more then $400 and I know I had more booze then I was supposed too. The guy didn't even ask if we had any alcohol or tobacco.

If thats you in ur avatar, I can guess why he didn't ask....what about us older bald guys..we don't have those advantages..lol

[razorsedge]

Went yesterday by myself again. Crossing into the U.S. no problems. American border agent looked in the back seat of the car DID not open trunk. He asked me 3 questions I gave straight answers he said "drive safe"...take care!

Coming back from the States ENTERING Canada. I drove up to the booth, I was questioned what did I buy?
I gave 2 receipts showing $24.00 U.S. funds. The Female officer at the booth then sends me to Secondary Inspection with a sum total of $30.00. I was given the Yellow paper and a Blue paper. The Blue Paper was some sort of "Questionaire" that was non related to CBSA.(I'll get to this end part later)

The two receipts were as follows:

$12.33
$11.88

How does this equal $30.00?

I went to a guard house with CBSA officers and they were basically doing nothing...then When I announced my presence they were eager to search me. One male officer from the group asked me for my "ID" again....I did not give it to him, as I said it has been checked already. I think he wanted to make his own notations on my file...good thing I did not give it to him.

There were 5 officers that searched my car and they found nothing to satisfy their needs I guess.
I had groceries in the trunk, Steak, Cheeses, Juices....they did not say anything.

The one Female officer that spoke to me told me "what did you do", give me of list of places you went, what are you studying in Canada, where do you work"?

With your history at the border, I'm never travelling with you..if I were you, I wouldn't even go anymore..their sensing ur defensive or something but u have shitty luck there...too bad

[Definate]

With your history at the border, I'm never travelling with you..if I were you, I wouldn't even go anymore..their sensing ur defensive or something but u have shitty luck there...too bad

My "history" at the border? I have only travelled that one time that I spoke of a couple weeks ago where the old man working the CBSA booth did not buy the fact me and the family went to the U.S. for a day trip only and implied we went for a shopping spree. Ok they found $25.00 of tax on them. Got nothing to do with me, they gave their names and settled the cost it excluded me. I just exchanged a few words with the renegade CBSA officer that approached me(which was way past the checkpoint of computers and database that check passports)...he does not have my info. This is something separate. I was nice to them yesterday. I had $100 dollars worth of nice groceries, Porter house steaks, Fillet minon beef, jugs of 5 litre oil on special....it is obvious I had more in the trunk than the $25.00 in receipts I handed to them. But they did not care because I was curtious to them. They let me go. The search was half ass too. It would appear they were just following a brief script of some sort. I can't put my eye on it yet, but It will soon be clear. I always make things clear.

I'm going again. O YEAH. I'm in this life to win. Remember me mentioning this to you bro. I will not be dicked around. If things go way off course ever with physical pat downs. I will demand answers. I will instigate a Royal Commission of inquiry if I have to get them. Look at what Omar Khadr did to Canada, and he was a murderer too and he had rights.

I have done nothing wrong, I have never violated any laws of Canada. If Americans treat me with respect and allow me into their country and I'm not allowed freely into my own (Canada) there is a problem and I WILL DEMAND for an answer or Inquiry. And all legal, no threats all within the parameters and jurisdictions of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom.

[Definate]

Are you serious?
You just has issue's crossing the border, and now a border agent has a great big hate on for you...... They know everything about you right now lol.
name, address, description.......... you're gonna be flagged, and every time you cross the border for the next few years you're gonna have problems if they run your name, info etc........... welcome to the shitlist.

Can the Canadians spread this hate they have of me to the American officials and make ask them to give me a hard time too when I want entry into their country?

[Definate]

Last labour day week I was pulled for the first time in my life.

Not even police in Brazil ever harassed me!

They stooped me asked how long I spent in Brazil, where I went in Brazil, what for
and when I told that I worked with fitness the questions finished.

Myself, another guy and a woman where send to secondary inspection.

The woman had bags that could have Shaquille O'neil in it and she just had her passport scanned.

The guy that was in shape like me had his luggage scanned only.

Myself? manual inspection.

I cooperated, avoided engaging in any way, gave short answers and they let m ego sooner than latter.

The facts are:

they need to show production and numbers
we are discriminated
there isn't anything that we can do other than cooperate if you don't want to be further harassed

Are you talking about your return back into Canada getting checked by CBSA or Canadian airport CATSA patting you down before you enter the airplane?
The two are very different.

[Bomani]

Usually I won't defend these guys as I'm not a fan of the CBSA...

but...


Definate... I am sorry but your a moron. No wonder you got hastled with the questionaire on your second time through. Why do you think ? They keep a report on each vehicle they search and its all recorded via the surveilence cameras and written reports. Therefore the CBSA officer put your name in the ICES(Integrated customs enforcement system) and up popped the last time they dealt with you just as the other member on here said to you earlier, this is a country wide program so no matter what border you cross at they will be able to see the report from each time your sent to secondary and the end result.

If you want to start a war your starting it with the wrong people. Those guys have tonness of power, basically they are having the same powers as a police officer when they are working, however they can enforce the customs and excise act which is something most police cannot do.

If you cooperate with them and don't show an attitude you won't have any issues, I can just imagine how many people like you they deal with maybe you should look at it from that perspective and you won't be so suprised with the treatment you got.

[Definate]

Usually I won't defend these guys as I'm not a fan of the CBSA...

but...


Definate... I am sorry but your a moron. No wonder you got hastled with the questionaire on your second time through. Why do you think ? They keep a report on each vehicle they search and its all recorded via the surveilence cameras and written reports. Therefore the CBSA officer put your name in the ICES(Integrated customs enforcement system) and up popped the last time they dealt with you just as the other member on here said to you earlier, this is a country wide program so no matter what border you cross at they will be able to see the report from each time your sent to secondary and the end result.

If you want to start a war your starting it with the wrong people. Those guys have tonness of power, basically they are having the same powers as a police officer when they are working, however they can enforce the customs and excise act which is something most police cannot do.

If you cooperate with them and don't show an attitude you won't have any issues, I can just imagine how many people like you they deal with maybe you should look at it from that perspective and you won't be so surprised with the treatment you got.

I hear you. Do you know what the "questionaire" was it was 1 Single Question asked by an immigrant woman working in the lobby entry way of the building to the CBSA officers teller windows. Totally a third party questionaire...although it appeared. She wore a burgundy vest and was not a peace officer. She asked: "Were you born In Canada"?
I answered obviously: "Yes" and she said "that's it" I laughed and said "bye".
I think the CBSA would know if I were born in Canada or not.
No doubt it is the car that signals them also. They record plates for sure.

[razorsedge]

Def...every car that goes thru has their plate go into the system. They can tell you exactly how many times u cross, where u cross and when u crossed...like earlier, once u get to secondary, yes sir, nor sir, three bags full sir ....

[Definate]

Def...every car that goes thru has their plate go into the system. They can tell you exactly how many times u cross, where u cross and when u crossed...like earlier, once u get to secondary, yes sir, nor sir, three bags full sir ....

Next time I will take the other car....lol
I'm playing passive, stupid now just to get my American goods in and to hell with them. I know how to work 'em.

[massmachine]

I know how to work 'em.

I bet you do...

:rolleyes:

[JacktheThriller]

everytime i go across the detriot bridge to see games they let me go but everytime (not lying here) i have my friend with me who is darker skinned and lebanese they seem to want to check the car over. HMMMMM

[rob66679]

Can the Canadians spread this hate they have of me to the American officials and make ask them to give me a hard time too when I want entry into their country?

I don't hate you at all, I don't even know you.... But as mentioned in a previous post, you don't seem to realize here that you are your own worst enemy.
What I see here is a guy trying to start a pissing match with Border Services, then whining about it to a very unsympathetic audience.
Comparing yourself to Omar Khadr, demanding a Royal Inquiry, because you're in this life to win? A winner would accept the fact that although some people in positions of power are/can be dicks, could be your boss, a cop, your wife, whatever, sometimes you have to suck it up and for that 5 minutes of shit you will save yourself countless hours of even worse shit. You go through life telling everybody to **** off and showing a false sense of entitlement and you will pay for it one way or another.
Right now you're gonna pay for it in countless hours of questioning and searches every time you cross the border, because you couldn't shut up for 5minutes.
Use this as a learning experience.


I would like to nominate you for the biggest dick of 2010 CBB award my friend.
Perhaps we should start a poll lol, but you have some doozy ****in posts here my friend........

[rob66679]

Next time I will take the other car....lol
I'm playing passive, stupid now just to get my American goods in and to hell with them. I know how to work 'em.

If that was the case you wouldn't be on here whining about Border Services.:mock

[Definate]

I don't hate you at all, I don't even know you.... But as mentioned in a previous post, you don't seem to realize here that you are your own worst enemy.
What I see here is a guy trying to start a pissing match with Border Services, then whining about it to a very unsympathetic audience.
Comparing yourself to Omar Khadr, demanding a Royal Inquiry, because you're in this life to win? A winner would accept the fact that although some people in positions of power are/can be dicks, could be your boss, a cop, your wife, whatever, sometimes you have to suck it up and for that 5 minutes of shit you will save yourself countless hours of even worse shit. You go through life telling everybody to **** off and showing a false sense of entitlement and you will pay for it one way or another.
Right now you're gonna pay for it in countless hours of questioning and searches every time you cross the border, because you couldn't shut up for 5minutes.
Use this as a learning experience.


I would like to nominate you for the biggest dick of 2010 CBB award my friend.
Perhaps we should start a poll lol, but you have some doozy ****in posts here my friend........


Are you serious bro....are you hearing voices?
how in the world was I speaking about you in that quote?
You should take back your last comment.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

umm..let's keep it clean guys. We've had a good long run without any fighting. Would be nice to keep it that way. Christmas season and all. Where's the love?

Let's discuss, not attack. Thank you.

[Definate]

umm..let's keep it clean guys. We've had a good long run without any fighting. Would be nice to keep it that way. Christmas season and all. Where's the love?

Let's discuss, not attack. Thank you.

I never mentioned anything about Robin hating me. For some reason he took it that way. It clearly says in my question: "can the Canadians spread hate to the American Officials if they don't like someone"?

What's with "us creating a poll to nominate you for dick of the year?"

I'm a new member on here. I came here to learn and discuss. Not into controversy.

[rob66679]

I never mentioned anything about Robin hating me. For some reason he took it that way. It clearly says in my question: "can the Canadians spread hate to the American Officials if they don't like someone"?

What's with "us creating a poll to nominate you for dick of the year?"

I'm a new member on here. I came here to learn and discuss. Not into controversy.

I apologize, some of those comments were out of bounds for sure. I definitely misread that quote, and I am sorry.


If you get pulled over by a cop, or do something else that could possibly land you in shit, there is a 100% chance you will be in shit if you come across with attitude.
However, I have gotten out of many stupid fines IE traffic tickets, alcohol related shit just by showing some respect & remaining calm.
I understand how frustrating it can be when a prick with a gun and a badge starts being a dick, I've been there trust me bro... I've been pulled over for no reason and searched before.... the problem is if you decide to go the route of lodging complaints and going for blood, they're going to close ranks, back each other up and really be out for you then.
You think maybe the guy who's handle is 5OH knows something about how to handle the situation?

[Definate]

Lets put it behind us and dissect further and other complicated matters.:)

[Definate]

Haha...

went again yesterday. Shopped till I dropped....lol
joking. I came back and no secondary inspection. Good to go.
How's that for being "flagged" as a few of you assumed I was.

[natenator]

Haha...

went again yesterday. Shopped till I dropped....lol
joking. I came back and no secondary inspection. Good to go.
How's that for being "flagged" as a few of you assumed I was.
the douchebag filter must be off for the holidays. Consider it your Christmas present.

[Definate]

the douchebag filter must be off for the holidays. Consider it your Christmas present.

ok natebomb

[rob66679]

Haha...

went again yesterday. Shopped till I dropped....lol
joking. I came back and no secondary inspection. Good to go.
How's that for being "flagged" as a few of you assumed I was.

Keep up the attitude with Border Services and that will change.
You're here to learn, right? Have you actually learned anything from what everybody has posted in this thread?
Apparently not.......

[Definate]

Keep up the attitude with Border Services and that will change.
You're here to learn, right? Have you actually learned anything from what everybody has posted in this thread?
Apparently not.......

Apparently yes Che!

[rob66679]

Apparently yes Che!

Good, so share your new found wisdom from this experience with the board.
Other than rant about Border services, what has all the friendly advice shared with you done for your outlook?

[rob66679]

ok natebomb

When a man of Nate's rep power on this board speaks, you should listen IMHO.

[Definate]

Good, so share your new found wisdom from this experience with the board.
Other than rant about Border services, what has all the friendly advice shared with you done for your outlook?

Stop baiting bro. You PM'd me saying lets forget the subject. And you apologized for your conduct. No need to stir the pot. Next time I will think twice before asking Canadians for advice. After all they are the source of the problem...lol. So I don't expect any sympathy from the likes of them.

[Definate]

When a man of Nate's rep power on this board speaks, you should listen IMHO.

No need to suck up to the guy at my expense bro. Just PM him and muscle worship him if you feel that way about him. Keep me out of this. Anyone can build up rep power...just get a few friends to hit you up all the time. Then it goes up and up. Means nothing, these are not Esso Extra points or Air mile points....lol
lets keep things in perspective.
So you are dictating who I should listen to. Funny I never saw nate give me advice....just a condescending remark..sorry don't interact in that manner. I don't listen to anyone.....only me.:welldone

[razorsedge]

Def...did u have a good Xmas!

I don't mind bantering BS around about the CBSA etc as I've had my experiences there too but I'm going to ask you to do something...if you have a friend, sibling etc or someone you can somewhat trust and you respect, have them read this thread without you offering any opinion. Just give it to them and let them read it...maybe even you do it.

Why I'm asking you to do this is to evaluate the content of the thread...you had some minor problems at the border a couple times, posted ur experiences and we all kicked it around and some of it may...I stress may..have been as a result of a little bit of attitude by yourself which was understandable as it looked like a case where you may have been singled out for a "hassle" check and things digressed a bit but you came thru her OK...

Then look at the subsequent posts...especially yours...lots of people kicked in here to support you, share their experiences and offer a bit of advice ....you appear to try and agitate other posters into an "argumentive" debate even when some try and help. I, for one, enjoyed kicking some of this around with you when u first posted up....

You say you are here to learn etc...I'm getting the impression that may not be the case...fully...you want to learn but you want to give a bit of attitude to others on the board. Look at the big picture and this may be the source of your problem in the first place..you have to have some harmony somewhere man. You burn up way too much energy being angry....don't be an asshole.

When MP has to chime in and tell you to cool it a bit you start getting on shaky ground...don't be like that...be a bro and get the chip off your shoulder.

Sorry man but thats just my opinion from sitting back watching and reading...like i said, have someone else read it that knows nothing about it and let them evaluate it...

You were on here Xmas night blasting out....did u have a bad Xmas or what.


Anyway, I digress...just relax a bit or nobody is gonna want to debate or exchange posts with you...I enjoy kicking shit around and debating stuff with all including you.....take care man.



"Remember, no matter how pissed off you are, the wind still blows and the river still flows"............:)

[Definate]

Def...did u have a good Xmas!

I don't mind bantering BS around about the CBSA etc as I've had my experiences there too but I'm going to ask you to do something...if you have a friend, sibling etc or someone you can somewhat trust and you respect, have them read this thread without you offering any opinion. Just give it to them and let them read it...maybe even you do it.

Why I'm asking you to do this is to evaluate the content of the thread...you had some minor problems at the border a couple times, posted ur experiences and we all kicked it around and some of it may...I stress may..have been as a result of a little bit of attitude by yourself which was understandable as it looked like a case where you may have been singled out for a "hassle" check and things digressed a bit but you came thru her OK...

Then look at the subsequent posts...especially yours...lots of people kicked in here to support you, share their experiences and offer a bit of advice ....you appear to try and agitate other posters into an "argumentive" debate even when some try and help. I, for one, enjoyed kicking some of this around with you when u first posted up....

You say you are here to learn etc...I'm getting the impression that may not be the case...fully...you want to learn but you want to give a bit of attitude to others on the board. Look at the big picture and this may be the source of your problem in the first place..you have to have some harmony somewhere man. You burn up way too much energy being angry....don't be an asshole.

When MP has to chime in and tell you to cool it a bit you start getting on shaky ground...don't be like that...be a bro and get the chip off your shoulder.

Sorry man but thats just my opinion from sitting back watching and reading...like i said, have someone else read it that knows nothing about it and let them evaluate it...

You were on here Xmas night blasting out....did u have a bad Xmas or what.


Anyway, I digress...just relax a bit or nobody is gonna want to debate or exchange posts with you...I enjoy kicking shit around and debating stuff with all including you.....take care man.



"Remember, no matter how pissed off you are, the wind still blows and the river still flows"............:)

Ok...I hear you bro.
thanks:)

[rob66679]

No need to suck up to the guy at my expense bro. Just PM him and muscle worship him if you feel that way about him. Keep me out of this. Anyone can build up rep power...just get a few friends to hit you up all the time. Then it goes up and up. Means nothing, these are not Esso Extra points or Air mile points....lol
lets keep things in perspective.
So you are dictating who I should listen to. Funny I never saw nate give me advice....just a condescending remark..sorry don't interact in that manner. I don't listen to anyone.....only me.:welldone

If you don't listen to anyone then whats the point? Nate probably looked at the entire thread and realized that you wouldn't listen anyways..... before you admitted it.
I don't suck up to anybody on any board, and I've been banned from enough BS boards to prove it. If somebody makes a good point I say so, but if somebodys doing something shady or being stupid and looking for opinions regarding that behavior I'll say that too.
You think I suck up? I think you're pretty new to this...........

We throw a lot of stuff around on this board, sometimes it goes a bit too far but by and large its just honest opinions.
I did go way past the line in a previous post and that was a sincere apology, but you have to understand that when you open up and ask for opinons you're going to get ones that you might not like.
Nothing personal at all.

[Definate]

If you don't listen to anyone then whats the point? Nate probably looked at the entire thread and realized that you wouldn't listen anyways..... before you admitted it.
I don't suck up to anybody on any board, and I've been banned from enough BS boards to prove it. If somebody makes a good point I say so, but if somebodys doing something shady or being stupid and looking for opinions regarding that behavior I'll say that too.
You think I suck up? I think you're pretty new to this...........

We throw a lot of stuff around on this board, sometimes it goes a bit too far but by and large its just honest opinions.
I did go way past the line in a previous post and that was a sincere apology, but you have to understand that when you open up and ask for opinons you're going to get ones that you might not like.
Nothing personal at all.

Take a deep breath bro...have a scotch by the fireplace or watch a documentary and let's leave this topic aside. I think we are all aware of our actions/reactions to this subject matter.
Take care my friend and be well.

[Definate]

Oh, looky, looky what I found regarding our kind friends at the CBSA:
here's a nice story...........

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/family-seething-nightmare-experience-sumas-crossing-20101223-160000-968.html

I'll cut and paste the story too just in case


VANCOUVER — It was supposed to be the Christmas road trip of a lifetime, a chance for two stepsisters to bond while driving the 2,400 kilometres from the small town of Pekin, Ill., to Abbotsford.

Brittany Davis, 22, an American citizen, was coming to visit her father for Christmas accompanied by her Canadian stepsister Crystal Stewart, 20. And it was all going well, until they rolled up to the Sumas border crossing at 6 p.m. on Dec. 12.

“What happened then was a nightmare,” said Crystal’s mom, Tina Stewart, who has filed a complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency about the girls’ alleged treatment.

CBSA official Jennifer Bourque said Thursday that the complaint would be investigated.

“We take all allegations of misconduct seriously and thoroughly investigate every complaint by a member of the travelling public,” said Bourque.

However, she said privacy legislation prohibits the agency from commenting on the incident at this time.

According to the family, officers brought the stepsisters inside for questioning after suspecting they had marijuana in the car. The women were allegedly told they would be arrested unless they confessed where the drugs were being hidden.

Brittany said she told the officers there were no drugs in her car.

“I gave them the keys and willingly let them search the car,” said Brittany, who added she had previously visited Canada five times without problems.

Tina and her husband Jim Stewart — Brittany’s father — became aware of their plight when one of the officers who had seized Crystal’s cellphone accidentally dialed Tina’s number.

Tina said she could overhear the conversation between the officers.

“They were saying they could smell cigarette smoke in the car and because it smelt funny they were convinced it was marijuana,” said Tina.

She said her stepdaughter had been smoking cigarettes in the car.

“American cigarettes might smell different [than] Canadian cigarettes, I suppose. But when I heard that I went, ‘Oh my God, we had better go down there.’ These are two really good kids; they’ve never been in any trouble in their lives,” she said.

“We are a law-abiding family and nobody in our family has any sort of criminal record. Brittany is a wonderful young woman and I could furnish countless character references for her from both sides of the border.”

When the Stewarts arrived at the border at 7:30 p.m., they found the two women in tears.

“They were told the police were on their way, and were being told: ‘Why don’t you save us time by telling us where the drugs are,’ ” recalled Tina.

“They kept telling them there were no drugs hidden in the car and all that seemed to do was make them angry.

“But when we got there the whole drug thing was dropped. The two girls were scared to death and had been crying their eyes out.”

Tina said the officers then changed tack and began harassing her stepdaughter for attempting to move into the country illegally.

In October, Brittany had applied for permanent residence status in Canada to be closer to her father.

“They saw this on the computer and said because of the amount of possessions she had in her car they believed she was attempting to move into the country illegally,” said Tina.

“They were focusing on a body pillow she had and [were] saying, ‘Why would she bring this?’ and that she wouldn’t bring a thing like that if she was flying to Mexico on holiday, which is true. But she was driving a car and was planning to stay with us for a couple of months,” said her stepmother.

“In the end they kind of set us up. They told us it would be best if Jim took Crystal home, but Brittany should drive back into the United States, turn around and come back, and the chances were pretty good she’d be allowed in,” said Tina.

So Tina and Brittany followed their advice, stopping first at the U.S. border crossing to explain why Brittany had been refused entry into Canada.

When they drove up to the Canadian border crossing, the same group of officers was waiting for them.

“This time it was even worse. It was a nightmare trying to deal with them. They were going on about the permanent residency application and, ‘Why would she be coming now?’ and we’re saying, ‘Because it’s Christmas and she wants to be with her father,’ ” Tina said.

It went on for hours, until past midnight, when the officer interrogating Brittany wrote a report recommending she be refused entry and banned from entering Canada for a year.

Tina said his supervisor decided to amend this and gave her permission to stay in Canada until Jan. 31 but made the family post a $2,000 bond.

“We are appealing this. Brittany did nothing wrong,” said her stepmother.

Meanwhile, Brittany and her family are afraid that all this might affect her application for permanent residency. If she is served with an exclusion order Jan. 31, and banned from entering Canada for a year, she fears her application will be rejected.

gbellett@vancouversun.com

[ironwill]

oh yay....another troll......even your avi screams out......i have daddy and authority issues.......

[Definate]

oh yay....another troll......even your avi screams out......i have daddy and authority issues.......

We can set it up that you meet my authority for real....after all you live in Ontario.:greet

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Thread gone south and only going to get worst so locking it down.

[Mr Ontario]

I see no lock button ;)

[juced_porkchop]

fuking dick heads!

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I see no lock button ;)

Oops. Forgot to lock it after I made the post. I guess my autopliot was off today.