Running Tren a into Tren e

[Solo59]

I'm wondering how risky it is to run Tren a into the fourth week of my current cycle when I'm already running Tren e, which should "kick-in" in week four.

I've been on HRT @ 100 mg of Test cyp EW, but I'm taking my ladies (mother & daughter) to Puerto Vallarta over Xmas with lots of scuba diving, dolphin swimming, tree canopy zipping, & beach time involved, so of course I've got to look as good as an ancient like myself can look. (That means pre-tanning in a tanning parlour, too, and I'm not ashamed of it. Better get some new hair dye, too.:rolleyes:)

Just beginning my third week. I put myself on

1. EquiTest (200 mg EQ + 250 mg Test e per cc, taking 3 cc per week)
2. Tren e @ 400 mg/wk
3. Masteron prop @ 100 mg EOD, and
4. Tren a @ 75 mg ED, planned for three weeks (or maybe into week four, if I dare).

I'm also doing plenty of HCG (love the aphrodisiac sides) & running Aromasin as an AI. No PCT to worry about. I'll just drop back to HRT at the end of January.

PROBLEM IZZAT I missed the first week on Tren a because my product looked contaminated & had to be replaced. Just got here last week. I'd like to get a full three weeks on it, but that means going into week 4 when the Tren e should begin kicking in.

What do you think: Is pushing Tren a into week four while also running Tren e pushing it a little? I know I'm already running a lot of juice, but so far I feel just fine.

Of course, I'll probably try it just to see what happens.

Solo

[gregdoucette]

way too much gear for starters. Tren e is not going to take 4 weeks to do a so called "kick in". No worries if u want to add tren A to Tren E but I cant imagine u needing it.

[JonnyO]

Just stick to the cycle and leave the tren ace out, go on vacation and when you get back take over from where you left off. No need to make things so complicated. Hit a Pharmacia and get some Proviron or Halo to tie you over for the trip and youll be fine.

[Solo59]

way too much gear for starters. Tren e is not going to take 4 weeks to do a so called "kick in". No worries if u want to add tren A to Tren E but I cant imagine u needing it.

Just like some people run Test prop for 3 or 4 weeks while also running Test e or Test c, so they get quick effects before the long esters begin to do their stuff, I thought I'd run Tren ace for 3 or 4 weeks until the Tren e begins to do its stuff.

Makes sense, no?

Solo

[cog]

I have done this,as soon as I noticed sides increasing I stopped the EOD Ace.75 mg ED a touch hot for an old guy like you?

[Canseco33]

For me the two compounds, Tren Ace and Tren Enan, reacted differently with my body.

Tren Ace: Wonderful drug, no real bad sides other than some gyno controllable with Letro.

Tren Enan: Did not agree with me, tonnes of acne, and all the other usual Tren related sides.

Just a word of caution about switching, if Tren Ace agrees with you, stick with it, unless you want to see how you react to Tren Enan.

But if it aint broke, dont fix it...

[moh2010]

I cant do tren-e as the drug build up every weeks. Even if you are injecting 400mg of tren-e week, after week 5, you'll have 800mg in your system... That can be good for some peoples, but for me I can't. I'll have problems sleeping, so very poor gains.

With acetate, I can run tren at 75-100mg eod and I don't have issue with sleeping. Sides are minimal.

[Voltaire]

For me the two compounds, Tren Ace and Tren Enan, reacted differently with my body.

Tren Ace: Wonderful drug, no real bad sides other than some gyno controllable with Letro.

Tren Enan: Did not agree with me, tonnes of acne, and all the other usual Tren related sides.

Just a word of caution about switching, if Tren Ace agrees with you, stick with it, unless you want to see how you react to Tren Enan.

But if it aint broke, dont fix it...

This is quite technically impossible. An ester does not change the chemical composition and thus direct affect... neither is more androgenic/anabolic? Look for the culprit elsewhere (other compounds, diet, stress etc).

[bcaamuscle]

This is quite technically impossible. An ester does not change the chemical composition and thus direct affect... neither is more androgenic/anabolic? Look for the culprit elsewhere (other compounds, diet, stress etc).

Doesn't affect composition but would change the overall effect on body since the ester causes a bigger buildup over time and slower release as opposed to ace which acts quicker, isn't that true?

[moh2010]

Doesn't affect composition but would change the overall effect on body since the ester causes a bigger buildup over time and slower release as opposed to ace which acts quicker, isn't that true?

that what i was trying to say

[Voltaire]

I should have added 'dosages' to what I said, I assumed that was already accounted for but I see what you're saying - you can easily lower the dosage of tren e to run it with your longer ester injectables... 50 mg eod tren ace is approximately 175mg a week and that is just about what 200mg of tren e a week would give you... so assuming you were doing your eod ace shots with test prop @ 100mg eod for a total of 350 test p 175 tren a you could do a 2x a week shots of enthate both ester @ 100mg tren e one shot and about 225 test e to achieve a very similar cycle with exactly the same blood concentrations of these compounds.

enanthate is active for at max 14ish days lets say, so the blood concentrations and peaks and lows of 4 injects over that time is far less of a variance than the extreme spikes and drops of acetate injections. Suspension is likewise worse. the same dosage delivered far more evenly dispersed is almost always correlative to less sides... a benefit to using longer esters period. Infact, half life of acetate is so short you really should be doing it ED. This logic applies to no matter the overall concentration of trenbolone or whatever - as in, once the ester is removed.

If you time things correctly and thus used the same equivalent dosages of raw trenbolone ester removed - you'd notice no difference from a biochem standpoint.

Decisions decisions ;).

[Prisoner#22]

Yah their both different I find the acetate to be more noticable for having night sweats and for leaning out on. And I hate the tren cough.. I don't seem to get that from the enathate product ever.

[Solo59]

This is quite technically impossible. An ester does not change the chemical composition and thus direct affect... neither is more androgenic/anabolic? Look for the culprit elsewhere (other compounds, diet, stress etc).

I agree. Or look to the product maker. It's well-known that with Tren e, you get less actual Tren than with acetate. Tren e gives the body time to adjust (less likely to get the cough, sleeplessness, and, possibly, night sweats). Overall, it should lead to fewer sides (but you should still begin with Tren ace in the rare chance of unbearable sides, so you can get off it more quickly).

But my point remains: Why not run Tren ace at about 100 mg ED for three weeks while running Tren enanthate at 600 mg EW? The latter will kick in just as the former diminishes.

Anyway, that's what I did. Still no insomnia and only rare night sweats. Weird, yet my strength has grown.

Solo