as you get older....

[vanskelig]

What is the point of coming off? 8-16 weeks on and then 8-16 weeks to try and let your body heal and restore its natural balance ONLY to just **** it up again? Seems kinda like self-harm.

I am just curious to others opinions on why you come off only to go right back on and throw everything out of whack again.

[TryGear]

well if your wanting to concieve you will need a sperm count. but I see your point especially for older guys who have completed a family, but there are other health risks there too, such as liver funtion "ya need a liver" high blood pressure, high cholesterol etc.

[tex]

i conceived on tren a, test susp and anadrol......

[champion99]

Congrats

[tex]

thanks! will be our 3rd....

[TryGear]

congrat also but like every other drug, not everybody gets every side effect....i'm just trying to give some sound advice, personally at my stage of life I don't care if I ever come off aas. I love everything about being on them and I'm lucky that I don't get many, usually no sides from anything I've taken.

[GYMBRAT]

TRT dosages would be fine......"or" I did a blast\cruise protocol for a few yrs without any issues

GB

[Bocca]

There have been many studies on cuckolding, 10%-30% seems to be the recurring range. Just saying.

[vanskelig]

There have been many studies on cuckolding, 10%-30% seems to be the recurring range. Just saying.

really unnecessary comment.

anyways, I just start to see some of this as self-harm because its like cutting yourself to feel only to let it heal and do it again. I like who I am, with or without big ass muscles, so I am personally questioning my need or desire to get bigger or stronger by messing with my internal structure for ascetic benefits.

[GYMBRAT]

I wouldnt do it then, in all honesty

GB

[GYMBRAT]

There have been many studies on cuckolding, 10%-30% seems to be the recurring range. Just saying.

:s

[moh2010]

There was an interesting radio show on rxmuscle.com with chris aceto and many others. I think it was last week. Dave was talking about pro bodybuilders/heavy juicers and conceiving. He said 95% of the guys can conceive, even after 20 years of non stop juicing. All you need to do is find a good endo, use hcg+clomid until your sperm count is at a good level(can take up to 6 months) and you should be good.

Also that when you use massive dosage such as 2g+ of test, sperm production restart for some reason. Dave is talking about the hcg+clomid protocol...

You can download it on the website.

[Bocca]

really unnecessary comment.

anyways, I just start to see some of this as self-harm because its like cutting yourself to feel only to let it heal and do it again. I like who I am, with or without big ass muscles, so I am personally questioning my need or desire to get bigger or stronger by messing with my internal structure for ascetic benefits.

Sorry. I have a hard time keeping my mind from wandering in that direction any time someone tells how they got a girl pregnant while on a mountain of gear. 200mg of test per week has been shown to act as effective birth control in males. I'm not trying to insult anyone, they could possibly be that one in 10,000, but I wouldn't bet the farm on those odds.

I'm assuming you meant to use the word aesthetic, not ascetic? If not, I'm confused.

My opinion is that if you are indeed happy with yourself, you should not take the risk of disrupting your natural balance with chemicals. The possible side effects of anabolics are usually minimized and justified, however, they do exist.

I was a user and strong advocate of gear for many years. I have 18 years of experience with it. Now I am on mandatory HRT with visits to an endocrinologist and I'm quick to dissuade young people from it's use for recreational purposes.

Do I think gear is the Devil? No, but I think the widespread level of abuse in the last decade has become obscene. There may be a lot of people with problems down the road........and then again, there may not be. So, I believe you have answered your own question, the risk to benefit ratio is not a profitable one for you.

[blp]

As you get older n don't stop juicing u get little more crazy every year n it's so much fun hahhahaha

Sperm count sure low came in girl 32 times in a month , nothing happen , will try apl clomid for a while , if can't I stop 6 months after doin national , will see

[TryGear]

speaking personally, when I see the average guy my age in a lockerroom or in a sport setting, as well as their attitudes and defeated appreances it makes me want to always have a higher test level....although their symptoms may also be related to marriage lol, that can kill a test level in a heart beat.

[blp]

I'm 250 n see my abs n still too small but I b 36 soon , i push th machine will see , I sure will love To had this shape at 25 yo. , it never too late but young it a genetic advantage I wasn't aware back then , managin bodybuilding n finance was my weakness at young age .. No regret .. Trying bigger then ever by 37 ..

[Felinecougar]

I only read your first post.."what is the point of coming off?".

Let me tell you..as an x wife of a master bodybuilder who never came off in over 6 yrs....NOT many can speak from my few point.

The point is is it working in the bedroom? IMO he gave up our sexual life to look 250 lbs of muscle. I would go down..no response..sex was not happening. Went out of MY way to find him Viagra...didn't help.

Recovery means everything if you have a partner beside you. In the end your body will only be using the artificial test you give it...

What will your partner be using? An expensive sexual toy or toyboy maybe?

ps..fc is blunt and to the point...been there. not going back.

[vanskelig]

This fascinated me! What an interesting perspective.

Thank you.



I only read your first post.."what is the point of coming off?".

Let me tell you..as an x wife of a master bodybuilder who never came off in over 6 yrs....NOT many can speak from my few point.

The point is is it working in the bedroom? IMO he gave up our sexual life to look 250 lbs of muscle. I would go down..no response..sex was not happening. Went out of MY way to find him Viagra...didn't help.

Recovery means everything if you have a partner beside you. In the end your body will only be using the artificial test you give it...

What will your partner be using? An expensive sexual toy or toyboy maybe?

ps..fc is blunt and to the point...been there. not going back.

[blp]

I'm 250 n still cum twice a day , is it all artificial testo probably so , do I foresee erectile dysfunction over 40 , probably yes , but I **** like a animal since I'm 26, at peak years could not even think before I jerk off , older things change , sex change, priority change , be a sex slave addict has downfall also haha for now my cock still working , some ppl ar asexual or in a non chemistry relation, steroid could be Th reason , sex n mind goes together ... Anw u think non athelthic couples hav regular dayli sex , I think it worst , u fist Th girl she squirt n she happy , a glorious hand could b enough

[#8]

^^*cough*

wtf?

[vanskelig]

^^*cough*

wtf?

I fist lots of girls too.

[red rocket]

As it has come to light recently, one good reason to come off, is that your rbc can become too elevated, which will then lead to other health risks. So if you dont plan to come off, atleast make sure you are seeing and endo regularly to make sure everything stays in check.

[Definate]

I made my ex pregnant while on 750-1000 mg/week TEST E/DECA.
It was a 10 Week 750-1000 mg/week TEST E, 450 mg/week Deca

[tex]

Sorry. I have a hard time keeping my mind from wandering in that direction any time someone tells how they got a girl pregnant while on a mountain of gear. 200mg of test per week has been shown to act as effective birth control in males. I'm not trying to insult anyone, they could possibly be that one in 10,000, but I wouldn't bet the farm on those odds.

that is totally false....you have no idea what you are talking about. there is NO male birth control. the results from every study I have ever seen are all over the map as far as effectiveness with some working in a few men but nothing in others. and yes, I know what I am talking about. the only way to achieve "some" sort of azoospermia was with a hormone like levonorgestrel......and testosterone was used in conjunction to keep up the patients test levels as the levonorgestrel makes you stop producing test. thank you and good night. now i am not saying that steroids wont affect fertility....this is a side effect....but you can concieve...and I have :)

[Odysseus]

I only read your first post.."what is the point of coming off?".

Let me tell you..as an x wife of a master bodybuilder who never came off in over 6 yrs....NOT many can speak from my few point.

The point is is it working in the bedroom? IMO he gave up our sexual life to look 250 lbs of muscle. I would go down..no response..sex was not happening. Went out of MY way to find him Viagra...didn't help.

Recovery means everything if you have a partner beside you. In the end your body will only be using the artificial test you give it...

What will your partner be using? An expensive sexual toy or toyboy maybe?

ps..fc is blunt and to the point...been there. not going back.


Shit I wish relationships didn't depend so heavily on sex. I personally prefer the "love" aspect of it. Even though I have no libido issues, I can do without sex, but it seems that I can't find a woman who feels the same way about this. Ugh.

[Solo59]

As it has come to light recently, one good reason to come off, is that your rbc can become too elevated, which will then lead to other health risks. So if you dont plan to come off, atleast make sure you are seeing and endo regularly to make sure everything stays in check.

This is the answer to your question, vanskelig. How old are you anyway? I'm betting you're still under 45. You damned kids give up so easily.

In any case, if you don't want to stay on just because roids make you feel good all the time or to look good, then by all means get off. If you are more worried about cycling on & off since, as you get older, you never really return to normal young man levels, then take the above advice. Get on HRT and medical supervision, but, on your own, blast and cruise. That is "cycle" on twice a year as usual, but in between coast on HRT injections, say 100 to 150 mg EW.

I have had no libido issues yet, except when I stop everything.

Solo

[Solo59]

Shit I wish relationships didn't depend so heavily on sex. I personally prefer the "love" aspect of it. Even though I have no libido issues, I can do without sex, but it seems that I can't find a woman who feels the same way about this. Ugh.

"Ugh"? Sexuality makes intimacy intimate. I can love a friend, but I can only be in love with a truly intimate partner, and that certainly includes open-minded, loving, experimental sexuality.

Damned, why couldn't I have met Feline Cougar when the time was right!?:mad:

Solow

[vanskelig]

This is the answer to your question, vanskelig. How old are you anyway? I'm betting you're still under 45. You damned kids give up so easily.



Solo

I am under 45, I'm actually closer to 40 though! I don't know what I'd be giving up on though? I just think that as I get older my priorities change, I aint never going pro and no one around me (including me) wants to be a "freak". I just came to the conclusion that I might actually, after 9 years of off and on, might just be hurting myself going on and off and might as well just get off, once and for all or just go full out and seek HRT.

I am off right now.

[TryGear]

personally when I lose 10lbs, my wife complains about me looking small "thanks honey" that's enough reason to for me, like Solo I have libido issues when I come off everything for about a 2 month period, it's hell for me. sex is great, I love it, actually I may be addicted to it, yup I'm definately addicted to it. thats enough for me to mix big dose cycles with coasting periods.

[Odysseus]

"Ugh"? Sexuality makes intimacy intimate. I can love a friend, but I can only be in love with a truly intimate partner, and that certainly includes open-minded, loving, experimental sexuality.

Damned, why couldn't I have met Feline Cougar when the time was right!?:mad:

Solow

Depends on what you're into. For me, I'm typically not sexually attracted to women that I fall in love with. And the women that I want to have sex with are never women that I would ever want to have a meaningful relationship with. I guess I get off on the deprivity of having sex with a woman that I dislike. But I "respect" women that I love too much to really want to give it to them good and deep. To each his own.

[UKBodybuilder]

Shit I wish relationships didn't depend so heavily on sex. I personally prefer the "love" aspect of it. Even though I have no libido issues, I can do without sex, but it seems that I can't find a woman who feels the same way about this. Ugh.

are you serious bro or being sarcastic?

[UKBodybuilder]

personally when I lose 10lbs, my wife complains about me looking small "thanks honey" that's enough reason to for me, like Solo I have libido issues when I come off everything for about a 2 month period, it's hell for me. sex is great, I love it, actually I may be addicted to it, yup I'm definately addicted to it. thats enough for me to mix big dose cycles with coasting periods.

but you have libido issues when you come off for only two months? what about down the road when you slow down your cycles and take longer breaks from juice.. your libido might be killed.. no drive for sex.. you have to look long term too, i would say

[scubadiver]

Out of curiosity, what is the consensus on the threshold of 'older'.

35? 40?

[razorsedge]

about 10 yrs older than the person saying it..hehe

[bartoli]

TRT dosages would be fine......"or" I did a blast\cruise protocol for a few yrs without any issues

GB

What would you define as "cruising"?

And, won't continual use, even at a low level kill your test production completely? I'm asking as I am 51 and a few people have given me the "never come off" idea, which is like what you call cruising (yes?). It seems that at a certain point you body will just rely on the test you are giving it, rather than making its own - or is there something I don't understand? Thanks, appreciate the answer.

[jack_krauser]

very interesting topic.

[BAM]

I like to come off just to get a break from the needles and to give my injection sites a rest and just live life without the having to worry about shots.

[cog]

I like to come off just to get a break from the needles and to give my injection sites a rest and just live life without the having to worry about shots.

Once a week isnt too bad.