Bouncing back (hcg)

[jacked_to_the_nine]

so i've been on test for 6 months pretty much straight now and even though i still feel great and function well, i know that there has to be reprocutions to this act... i bought hcg 9 days ago and so far i've only done 2500iu's of it (1st day 1000, 3 days later 500, and today 1000), i'm weary on the substance so i've taken it easy with the doses... my plans are not to go off test just yet, i'm still running test prop at 1ml mon/wed/fri, and then sundays i was planning on taking my hcg, i may do this for another 4-6 weeks... i just want to bounce the nuts around with hcg so they don't atrophie away to nothing, even though they still seem alright after all this use i know there is some shrinkage... in essance i'm wondering if it is possible to sustain healthy prostate with the use of hcg and HRT until you decide to stop? i don't really want to come off, and i get my test and gear for rediculasly cheap so $$$ is not and issue.

[vanskelig]

I think HCG without a need or a plan to come off is silly if you did not start HCG from day one. Your balls are shutdown and shutdown for a reason, until you remove that reason, why bother?

Sounds more like you feel guilty for abusing your body.

[Delt King]

Agreed ^

[jacked_to_the_nine]

well not feeling guitly at all, just taking resposibility for wrecklessness i suppose, it happens, i'm sure we've all gone over the line here or there, i'm in a highly competitive state so its been hard to take a break, some IFBB pro's don't break for years, go and tell them they're guilty, i'm sure the'll love that, lol... from my understanding, hcg can bounce your nuts back in the middle of a cycle, i think i just need to use a bigger shot to get it going, if anyone has experience with this, just add your 2 cents and not you're psuedo theraputic moral, thanks.

[TryGear]

I'm also interested in an answer to that question

[JonnyO]

I dont see a reason why not, some stimulation is a lot better than none and you could stick with the hcg throughout the rest of your cycles. I also recomend a test booster when on cycle and even clomid eod. I prefer to cover all bases instead of worry about it at the end, why chance it all.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

I dont see a reason why not, some stimulation is a lot better than none and you could stick with the hcg throughout the rest of your cycles. I also recomend a test booster when on cycle and even clomid eod. I prefer to cover all bases instead of worry about it at the end, why chance it all.

thanks! i figured that much, i'm gonna bump the dose a little... i have felt a diference since adding the hcg, my nuts feel fuller and harder, so i'm happy something is happening... i have clomid and nolva, so i'll be doing the full monty, i need to come off for a bit, it won't be pretty but it will be done.

[TryGear]

lol nice to see i'm not the only one who believes in long cycles

[jacked_to_the_nine]

lol nice to see i'm not the only one who believes in long cycles

lol, ya i've just made leaps and bounds in my training, i feel like i've crammed 3 years worth into just 1 due to the test replacment, the recovery rate is what i'm after... when on for this long though, it is HRT, but regardless i just function better on test anyway, i compare it to when i wasn't useing to how i feel now and i must say it's like night and day... however i know drug testing in my compittions will be an issue soon and so i will be switching over to HGH... i've already ran a cycle of HGH with the test this year and it was amazing... i dosed 2iu EOD, IM in my biceps only, and believe this or not, my arms have never been so defined and as full as they are now, i'm not even a BB but who dosn't want big strong arms right, and now i finaly got em... i can't wait to run more HGH, and bump the dose to 4iu's EOD... i've been on test since January or so, with only two or three 4-6 week breaks, i have regular tests from my doctor, because he knows about my HRT and he is constantly telling me how healthy i am, he sometimes even asks me questions from shear curiousity about how i use steriods and in what doses... all in all, i believe test and HGH are the only hormones you can substitute for long periods of time, i deffinetly would never do this with any other substance, EVER!

[TryGear]

love to hear it, I'm the same I love the way I feel on test, and hate being off it too. at my age, I don't care if I ever come off anymore.

[GYMBRAT]

its all good, so long as you guys are getting regular blood work done ;)

GB

[TryGear]

twice in two years is regular lol

[jacked_to_the_nine]

its all good, so long as you guys are getting regular blood work done ;)

GB

yes deffinetly! and the hcg is actualy working now, i'm really pleased to know i won't lose my nutsack, i guess in some cases its more or less a money issue for those who wish they could stay on... make your own i suppose!

[z83]

Think twice about not going "OFF". I've done a long cycle followed by a very a good pct/hcg...guess what...haven't recovered... If I knew what it involved :(

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Think twice about not going "OFF". I've done a long cycle followed by a very a good pct/hcg...guess what...haven't recovered... If I knew what it involved :(

in what way have you not recovered? did you use hcg while on test to stimulate your test axis? how long were you on for? what doses were you useing? were you useing any other anabolic steroids? sorry for all the questions but i am genuinly interested!

[z83]

in what way have you not recovered? did you use hcg while on test to stimulate your test axis? how long were you on for? what doses were you useing? were you useing any other anabolic steroids? sorry for all the questions but i am genuinly interested!

Low test/LH like REALLY low test... :(
Test E/C 500mg/week for 5 months (did EQ the first month and approx 10 days of tren A),6th month was tapering the test and introducing HCG (total of 15 000iu) until PCT (HG clomid/nolva/, UG aromasin)

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Low test/LH like REALLY low test... :(
Test E/C 500mg/week for 5 months (did EQ the first month and approx 10 days of tren A),6th month was tapering the test and introducing HCG (total of 15 000iu) until PCT (HG clomid/nolva/, UG aromasin)

wow ok, well that deffinetly sounds feezable for sure... have you tried HGH, i hear it can help with recovery, um something about increasing natural free test or something, not sure... so i take it you are on test permentantly now, and hows that going? are you still able to have kids and stuff?

[z83]

wow ok, well that deffinetly sounds feezable for sure... have you tried HGH, i hear it can help with recovery, um something about increasing natural free test or something, not sure... so i take it you are on test permentantly now, and hows that going? are you still able to have kids and stuff?

not on anything for the past few months, doing bloodwork on a regular basis but it looks like i'm screwed :(

[TryGear]

have you been on cycle for many years with few breaks? I've done 6 mth test cycles with other stuff mixed in and have recovered within 3 mths.

[z83]

have you been on cycle for many years with few breaks? I've done 6 mth test cycles with other stuff mixed in and have recovered within 3 mths.

Only 4 cycles, the last one was the longer. Mild cycles (test C/E, tbol)

[tex]

just got the wife preggers after 10 weeks of tren a/test suspension and drol........but im wondering what my test production will be like after i come off.....damn near 33 and aint gettin any younger :)

[jacked_to_the_nine]

just got the wife preggers after 10 weeks of tren a/test suspension and drol........but im wondering what my test production will be like after i come off.....damn near 33 and aint gettin any younger :)

ha, my buddy who just had his second kid is hopeing to never have kids again, so he dosn't even care about losing his nuts now, lol... speaking of nuts i find that the 2 days following an hcg shot mine feel full and good, but then during the week while i continue with the test, they shrink notably. i read that hcg has a active half life of 72 hours, and u peak with in that time frame... right now i'm useing 300ml of test prop weekly, split in 3 on mon/wed/fri and then hcg on sat with clomid and nolva... its the best i can do before i come off at the end of november, and i'm feeling really good with performance and everything, i hope this small weekly introduction of nolva/clomid/hcg gets me preppared for a larger scale PCT.

[Repmeister]

Holy crap. I just finished reading this thread and I could have written it myself. I have been on since January 2010. I did a blast, cruise blast. First blast was Test and Tren A, cruise was 250/wk test for about 8 wks current blast (just finishing) is Test E 750/wk plus Deca 400/wk. I was planning to come off after this but hate the idea of the down time so I am considering another cruise for a bit and maybe bring in some GH. But, I read an article over the weekend that talks about AAS use and the heart and while the Finnish researches found little difference in hear shape between a non-user and an AAS user there was significant difference in heart function and enalargement once GH was introduced. My only concern right now is that I have been feeling a little "off" lately. little bouts of nausea and fluttery feelings in my upper abdomen/chest. Little concerned it might be heart related but there is no pain. Just this weird feeling. I have not been getting regular checkups as my MD is not down with AAS use. Not trying to steal this thread or anything but has anyone ever experience similar symptoms?

BTW. I did similar type of cycle last year from about Jan to end of October early Nov 2009 using basically same gear. Used HCG, Clomid and Nolva to come off. Wasn't easy. Hated the way I fealt, Workouts sucked, etc. etc. but I did manage to recover. I'm a little worried that it will become harder and harder to do??? Maybe some long-time, long-cycle users in their mid 40's could chime in here.

[vanskelig]

Of course it will get harder and harder to recover, just how aging works. I am not sure that you have 'cycles' but rather you have 'mini-time-off-periods' that seems to be too short by anyones recommendation for time off. I was on June to end of September and my PCT was successful this time, but the last time, a 3 months cycle, the PCT was awful and I ended up just going back on 4 months into PCT because it was so harsh.

I am 39

[jacked_to_the_nine]

Holy crap. I just finished reading this thread and I could have written it myself. I have been on since January 2010. I did a blast, cruise blast. First blast was Test and Tren A, cruise was 250/wk test for about 8 wks current blast (just finishing) is Test E 750/wk plus Deca 400/wk. I was planning to come off after this but hate the idea of the down time so I am considering another cruise for a bit and maybe bring in some GH. But, I read an article over the weekend that talks about AAS use and the heart and while the Finnish researches found little difference in hear shape between a non-user and an AAS user there was significant difference in heart function and enalargement once GH was introduced. My only concern right now is that I have been feeling a little "off" lately. little bouts of nausea and fluttery feelings in my upper abdomen/chest. Little concerned it might be heart related but there is no pain. Just this weird feeling. I have not been getting regular checkups as my MD is not down with AAS use. Not trying to steal this thread or anything but has anyone ever experience similar symptoms?

BTW. I did similar type of cycle last year from about Jan to end of October early Nov 2009 using basically same gear. Used HCG, Clomid and Nolva to come off. Wasn't easy. Hated the way I fealt, Workouts sucked, etc. etc. but I did manage to recover. I'm a little worried that it will become harder and harder to do??? Maybe some long-time, long-cycle users in their mid 40's could chime in here.

well it sounds like your useing other AAS in addition to the test, i think that tren deffinetly has negitive effects on the heart, considering everyone i know who uses it can't walk up a flight of stairs without having a cardio stroke, lol... and HGH is one of the most safest and best hormones to use, providing you use it intellegently, by that i mean no more then 4iu's EOD! i mean how big you want to be will be the sacrifice of health in the long run, the more juice you use at higher doses will effect you in negative ways period! i get check ups by my doctor and he is amazed at my health, in every way, because i do not use alot, and my gains are very gradule and very evidedent indeed... i will never be an IFBB pro, that dream past 8 years ago when i realized how much sacrifice it takes, so i switched to a different sport instead... i think many users need to ask themselves what they are useing for... i am an athlete of a different sport, so i know exactly why i'm useing... i use no more then 300-400ml of test prop EW, and hcg on weekends, seems to be alright, and i feel pretty damn good, i'll even throw in 20mgs of winni for 3 weeks out leading up to an event... HGH is deffenetly something i would use to come off with from a long cycle... and yes, i think the more cycles you do the harder it will be to come off, i have had 3 attempts at coming off in the last 8 months and they have all been shity, i would recover, but the training would suck so i would go back on again, and i've been cruising for a long time now so i would be lieing if i said i wasn't nervous about coming off... i think in my case, when i complete a few top level comps and win, i will take time off for at least 6-8 weeks.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

here's a quick question... i've been saving left over test prop from my shots in a used ampule, actualy, i figure from every 9 amps i use i will get a full shot from... i'm wondering if it safe to use test that is in an open envoirment, all i can use to cover it is plastic wrap, i didn't have a vial with a stopper to use... i haven't used it yet, but its half full already from just 5 amps, this is very tempting... should i put it in the fridge?

[razorsedge]

here's a quick question... i've been saving left over test prop from my shots in a used ampule, actualy, i figure from every 9 amps i use i will get a full shot from... i'm wondering if it safe to use test that is in an open envoirment, all i can use to cover it is plastic wrap, i didn't have a vial with a stopper to use... i haven't used it yet, but its half full already from just 5 amps, this is very tempting... should i put it in the fridge?

I think the garbage is a better option than the fridge...being sterile is my number one concern and maybe I'm a little overcautious but enuff things can go wrong when using gear..witout taking a chance like this...but thats only one opinion.

[jacked_to_the_nine]

I think the garbage is a better option than the fridge...being sterile is my number one concern and maybe I'm a little overcautious but enuff things can go wrong when using gear..witout taking a chance like this...but thats only one opinion.

i tottaly agree about sterility, but here's the thing, when we use ampules, we essencialy crack a glass container allowing air to comprimise the product anyway, so that must mean that it does not need to be in an air tight atmosphere, but keeping it clean from dirt and degbree is most likely the only important aspect... but i don't know if the test can go bad after a few weeks of being exposed to air out of the amp, that's what i'm wondering to be clear.

[tex]

its been exposed too long.....when you crack an amp you use whats in it pretty quick thus reducing risk of contamination...do yourself a favour and toss it

[jacked_to_the_nine]

its been exposed too long.....when you crack an amp you use whats in it pretty quick thus reducing risk of contamination...do yourself a favour and toss it

grrrr, alright : ( it looks sooo tasty, but ya i should

[TryGear]

I'd have to agree, I've tried something similar and even though it was sealed and only opened for short times, over a month I actually saw a mold growing in it, trash it!

[jacked_to_the_nine]

I'd have to agree, I've tried something similar and even though it was sealed and only opened for short times, over a month I actually saw a mold growing in it, trash it!

youza! umm ya, not gonna inject mold that's for sure, probably turn into the swampthing!

[Zylo]

lol nice to see i'm not the only one who believes in long cycles

I hear yea... I like to just cruise at around 250mg T/week. Sometimes I'll add some Winny if I'm going on vacation or hitting the beach in the summer.

I usually take a few months off during the winter but once spring hits I'm usually on until at least the fall.

[nisser]

grrrr, alright : ( it looks sooo tasty, but ya i should

Throw it away. It's not worth it. If you want some motivation google 'necrotising fasciitis' and look under images.

[GYMBRAT]

I hear yea... I like to just cruise at around 250mg T/week. Sometimes I'll add some Winny if I'm going on vacation or hitting the beach in the summer. I usually take a few months off during the winter but once spring hits I'm usually on until at least the fall.

Zylo, if this is you in your avi Im skeptical to believe if you've ever even touched any gear in your life :$

....sorry bro just saying.....

GB

[Zylo]

Zylo, if this is you in your avi Im skeptical to believe if you've ever even touched any gear in your life :$

....sorry bro just saying.....

GB

No apologies necessary my friend!

I'm not a bodybuilder like most of the guys on this board. I play a lot of high level competitive sports and I do compete at a Provincial level, hoping for National in a year or two. I can't be lurching around like a bulky tank out there... I'd have my ass handed to me quite quickly! lol.

I also have never used big cycles. I'm usually on 250 - 350mg of Test / Week. Maybe some winny in the summer or if I'm going on vacation.

I tried a few other compounds at low doses years ago but it's pretty much just Test now. I've found what works for me and my goals.

I have no reason to inject 1 - 2 grams of gear into myself every week, stack it with different compounds and deal with all the additional sides if my goal isn't Mr.Olympia and my sport is not bodybuilding. I don't need steak 4 meals a day, that will not help me in my athletic pursuits at all! lol.

I'm here on this board because I do use gear, in my own way with my own quantities for my own reasons. I have found many knowledgable people here and I have learned a lot over the years. The support and advice I've received here has helped me greatly in my own pursuits. We're all individuals.

What I find amusing is that serious bodybuilders always question why I use and if I do... and I find almost on a weekly basis, I'm being asked by average guys what steroids I'm on because I'm pretty jacked. Can't win either way! lol. It's funny.

I am happy and I know what works for me. I think my arms and shoulders look ****ing awsome in my picture!

:)

Isn't this thread about HCG ?!

[razorsedge]

Zylo, what I find amusing (to use ur words) is that you feel you have to "qualify or justify" yourself.....you make good posts, some very technical....you don't have to post ur resume...lots of us pick up on what is BS and what isn't...carry on as if ur normal...and ur right..this is supposed to be about HCG...lol

[jacked_to_the_nine]

i just wanna post my status on useing HCG... it seems that serving this method has served its perpose... i think i'm running on to 6-7 months streight now on just test, and sometimes i have thrown in a little winny too, but besides that, it has been only test and at no more then 500ml a week...

monday - 100ml test prop, 30mg winny
tuesday - 30mg winny
wednesday - 100 test prop, 30mg winny
thursday - 30mg winny
friday -100ml test prop 30mg winny
sat - 1500iu of hcg and 20mg clomid 20mg nolva
sunday 20mg clomid 20 mg nolva
(i will sometimes use nolva and clomid on any given instance where i feel the need)

this method has brought me to a neat little hovering stage with my HRT, and it is working... i am in no way feeling any adverse effects, in fact, my skin and hair are looking fantastic, and my testicals are very full and back to normal... most important is my perfromance of course which only keeps inproving... i don't know if i'm the only one like this, but one thing i've noticed is that i'm able to really feel these products working and if i feel the need to increase a dose or toggle slighty with the doses, that i do so in accordance to how i feel, it seems to work for me... anyway, this is really remarkable, i hope that its not thin ice i'm skating on per say, if anyone has any experience with such long cycles then please add your comments.

[tony_canuck]

I don't see any downside to adding hcg during a long cycle and many positive reasons. I always run it during my long runs and will continue to do so

[jacked_to_the_nine]

I'm changing my plans up... i figure maybe i can sustain performance and keep progress the same if i use this method

mon - 100ml test prop
tue - 10mg nolva, 10mg clomid at night
wed - 10mg nolva, 10mg clomid in morning w/1500iu shot of HcG, then 10mg of nolva and clomid before bed
thur -10mg nolva and clomid in the morning
fri - 100mg test prop
sat - nothing
sun - nothing

i figure from my understanding of how these half lives work that this would be the most opptimal procedure to sustain testicular function and simutaniously continue HRT safely, along with being very economical... i'll keep posting progress... you're all free to comment on how crazy or not this all is, but as of yet, there hasn't been any signs of problems.