Racial slurs trigger mob attack in downtown montreal

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

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[IronRobi]

That's retarded! When was this?

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Last night.

[Mr.Freeze]

no it was friday night!

[turboturist]

If they truly called someone a ****** then they deserved it IMO. What the hell else would you expect, especially in a group of black people?

Other side of things how the hell can all those people just sit there and watch it? They deserved a beat down but maybe not that bad. Bet they wont through those words around lightly again.

[spiderman7]

I tend to disagree with he deserved it. Then when would it stop. So ever time someone is insulted they should get killed??? I do believe it was a stupid response from both sides. Although violence may solve the problem temporary
in the long run it will just grow a stronger hatred.

[turboturist]

I see both sides of the coin, Thats why in one part I said he deserved and the other asked how everyone could sit there and watch that shit.

Guess I should have separated them better. Agree with the escalation of the hatred as well when things like that continue.

SM your av makes me lmao everytime I see it.

[St]

Great that they loaded this on the internet,i'm sure some people will get into trouble for the beating,really smart.

[Mr Ontario]

Looks to be #2 on the ground? is the other a female?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Full story.

Ontario men beaten over racial slurs
Jorge Barrera, Canwest News Service
Published: 6 hours ago
Montreal police are investigating the brutal beating of two young men who were swarmed Friday on a downtown city street in an incident allegedly sparked by racial taunts hurled at a group of black people, according to an Internet video of the pummeling.

The 23 second beating left the two Waterloo, Ont., men, aged 23 and 26 years, lying like they were dead on the pavement as bystanders laughed and hooted. As several people gathered around the men's prostrate bodies, someone is heard saying "don't touch their necks man, watch their necks" before police and paramedics arrived. A male voice close to camera then says: "Stupid idiot, why would he say that?"

The beating happened at about 10:45 p.m. near the intersection of Ste. Catherine and Peel Sts. in downtown Montreal, Const. Laurent Gingras said.

The two men, both white, suffered from minor injuries, bruises and cuts, but refused to go to the hospital, Gingras said.

The video of the beating was posted Saturday on LiveLeak.com and had been watched more than 3,680 times by Sunday morning. Gingras said he was passing the two minute, 13 second video on to investigators who had not yet tracked down suspects.

Gingras said he could not confirm the Internet claim the beating was triggered by racial taunts.

"Words were exchanged between the two victims and a group of people. The reasons are unknown why at a certain point the group of suspects attacked the two victims," he said. "They received quite a beating and the circumstances are under investigation."

The video, posted by someone under the alias Perky and titled "Racist Insults Results In Massive Beat-Down In Montreal," does not show the triggering exchange of words, but begins with a rush of about a dozen, mostly black, young men who surround, stomp and kick the two victims who crumble to the ground. At least one white male is seen contributing to the beating. At one point, one of the attackers takes a running jump onto the chest of one of the dazed Waterloo men as a car honks trying to get through the melee. The beating ends when another man kicks the second victim in the head.

The two victims refused to co-operate with police, Gingras said.

"We have the video and we will see what we can do with that," he said.

Police believe 10 to 12 young men in their 20s were involved in the beating.

Gingras said the severity of the attack was rare for Montreal.

"You have a couple of fights like any other city, but an attack of this type, we don't see much here," Gingras said.

The video sparked a heated debate on the website that often descended into racism throughout the 74 comments posted by Sunday morning.

"Even if those guys were shouting insanities, they didn't deserve being beaten by a whole crowd," wrote Fuel357, a poster from Canada.

"Those two were taught a good lesson," wrote Shura66, from the United States.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Personally I think they should have been thaught a lesson for using racial slur's but far from what happened in that video. Pretty sad to see people do that to others. Makes them just as shitty as those who got the beating.

Then again, what really happened in the moments before the beating? I seriously doubt 2 white guys from out of town would called a group of black people the n word just out of the blue. Especially as that intersection is always crowded with black people hanging out in front of the movie theater.

[Mr Ontario]

The 2 guys' not willing to help the police tells me they more then likely said what they said or provoked the attack in some way.

[Freebsd1977]

Never, ever mention that the Maple Leafs own the Canadiens in Montreal. :-)

[Grunt76]

The two white men were right: Mere words were enough to trigger these animals into a bloothirsty rampage. Get rid of them, no matter what color they are. Just send them all to Haiti or Darfur for a while, that is where they belong, no?

As for the white boys well they kinda deserve a Darwin...

Still... Don't you hear blacks calling each other "******" all the time?

I don't know much about this but I live in Montr&#233;al and I don't like it one bit.

Either way, it has NEVER ever happened that you would mix different types of people and that peaceful coexistence would result. It has ALWAYS resulted in turmoil and violence. So. Our politicians know this, yet insist on having so much immigration. This is planned turmoil and violence, people, offered you by your own government. Thank you Ottawa.

One more reason to separate from this helldump.

[Bowlcut]

Any one been down to Ste. Catherine on a Friday? I was there and it was full of thugs and g-units. Those guys where dumb to say something stupid, but they don't deserve to be ganged up on. If those thugs were so tough they could go one on one but this city is going down hill.

[leeroy]

Any one been down to Ste. Catherine on a Friday? I was there and it was full of thugs and g-units. Those guys where dumb to say something stupid, but they don't deserve to be ganged up on. If those thugs were so tough they could go one on one but this city is going down hill.

Ditto. Was once a great place to be. Now as time goes on, I see it getting shittier and shittier.

Grunt, it has nothing to do with separation, qc needs people. More than are coming in. It needs an economic kick in the ass. They have no choice to let immigrants in en masse. Problem is they are selecting from a very small pool of french speaking immigrants which are usually visible minorities. Would they open their borders to all (english included) then they may get a bunch of quality immigrants. Then again, maybe not. Europe has a better economy than us right now. But this mess isn't Canada's fault. The only thing you can blame Canada for is letting in other visible minorities in other provinces and then they come here. But basic immigration in quebec is handled by quebec, not canada.

[Grunt76]

Either way, Quebec does not need more people. That's just nonsense. Why would "more people" be a good thing? It simply is NOT, although we've been pounded with the idea that we need more working population to pay for the retirement of our ageing workforce, so we import thugs from countries where beating each other on the street is the national sport. Nice.

You keep the 5 million true Qu&#233;b&#233;cois, close the frontiers, stop immigration, it would be quickly seen that sharing the incredible natural resources we have among just 5 million is true wealth. Simple as that.

Don't remind me that I have a degree in economics, ugh.

[Bowlcut]

Either way, Quebec does not need more people. That's just nonsense. Why would "more people" be a good thing? It simply is NOT, although we've been pounded with the idea that we need more working population to pay for the retirement of our ageing workforce, so we import thugs from countries where beating each other on the street is the national sport. Nice.

You keep the 5 million true Québécois, close the frontiers, stop immigration, it would be quickly seen that sharing the incredible natural resources we have among just 5 million is true wealth. Simple as that.

Don't remind me that I have a degree in economics, ugh.

Who are the true quebecois? There were like 150K habitants when the English took over. Do the wops from RDP and St. Leonard count?

[leeroy]

Who are the true quebecois? There were like 150K habitants when the English took over. Do the wops from RDP and St. Leonard count?

Second that question.

[Grunt76]

Who are the true quebecois? There were like 150K habitants when the English took over. Do the wops from RDP and St. Leonard count?
Descendents of the initial French settlers are the true Québécois. We know who we are.

And ask 4th generation wops from RDP and St-Leonard what they are and they'll tell you they're Italian. Even those who have never set foot there, nor their parents. Does that sound Québécois to you?

[MuSuLPhReAk]

I'm 3rd generation Italian or wop as you call me. Both my parents were born in Italy. When asked what I am, I answer Canadian (and I have been to Italy). I hope that doesn't disappoint you.

[Bowlcut]

I'm 3rd generation Italian or wop as you call me. Both my parents were born in Italy. When asked what I am, I answer Canadian (and I have been to Italy). I hope that doesn't disappoint you.

Makes me happy.
I love RDP, but can understand a word people there say in French.

True Quebecois does not make sense because so many families inter marry between backrounds. Charest's mom was Irish so I guess he would not be 100% Quebecois, and the only really 100% Quebecois are the hicks in Lac Saint Jean and that's because marrying your cousin is your option for poontang.

[Proteinkiller]

if only these 'tough thugs' would go guys one on one like back in the day then they would get a ****in reality check but i guess they know that and thats why they travel in their little g-unit groups... ****in pathetic pussies if you ask me... ****in boils my blood that guys dont have the balls to step up to each other anymore without having their boyssss there to back them up

[Grunt76]

I'm 3rd generation Italian or wop as you call me. Both my parents were born in Italy. When asked what I am, I answer Canadian (and I have been to Italy). I hope that doesn't disappoint you.
Why would it?

If you moved to China and failed to adapt to their ways within a year, you would be pounded with rocks. HARD. Russia? Same thing only a bit more quickly. And same thing everywhere else.

Here a few generations is good time. And it's a lot easier to be Canadian than to be Qu&#233;b&#233;cois. But this is CBB so I will refrain from making make a case for my blue color any more than that. Manners.

PEACE. Now that is something we can, Canadians and Qu&#233;b&#233;cois, agree on. Peace-disturbers, OUT.

[Bowlcut]

A little comedy to lighten everyone up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQEcMTSgg5w

[tomtom]

Just browsing the forum and noticed this thread. To grunt76. Just to let you know a lot of people believe your ideology borders on nazism and facism. I am not from your part of the world but know the situation as I have family there and studied it a bit. It's rather shameful what is happening in Quebec. A huge step backward since you passed laws that were deemed unconstitutional and in violation of human rights. Only thing that allowed you to put down another people, language, and many cultures is the nonwithstanding clause. As a foreigner to your country, I say shame on you and your idiologies. I would really like to see the immigrants gain power in Quebec whether it separates from Canada or not. That would finally shut your sects discriminatory mouths once and for all. And from what I know, once your kind loses power, it will never regain it. Quebec chose not to evolve like the rest of the world so eventually, you will be forced to. Isolating yourselves from the rest of the world in the name of saving your culture and language while destroying others and making their lives miserable is not a valid excuse anymore. If I lived there and was a citizen, I would ask you and yours to be removed from the province/country so it can progress without handicaps as you have put upon it. The immigrants will be the saviour for your province. Maybe not in my lifetime but eventually it will happen.

[O-Train]

What I find most disturbing about videos like this is that in every single one no one does anything. I remember another video of a cop fighting with a guy on Meth and people just standing around like it was a pay per view event. I'm not suprised at all that a bunch of low life thug wannabees would do something like this. Everyone else just watching it though. And that loud girl and the guy with his stupid comments. We as a species kinda suck lol. Can't completely blame people for not doing anything but you would have to be a pretty big bitch to watch a couple guys get curb stomped like that.

[Gib]

"If they truly called someone a ****** then they deserved it IMO. "

You are an idiot. Not just you personally, but anyone who says anything other than "Those ****ers should be locked up for life", so dont take it personally.

Had that been two black guys who had walked past a group of white, and called them White boys, would the whites then be justified in beating them?

Of course not. Dont be stupid.

Name calling is no justification for a felony beating, regardless of what names were called or whose little feelings were hurt.

[Bowlcut]

What I find most disturbing about videos like this is that in every single one no one does anything. I remember another video of a cop fighting with a guy on Meth and people just standing around like it was a pay per view event. I'm not suprised at all that a bunch of low life thug wannabees would do something like this. Everyone else just watching it though. And that loud girl and the guy with his stupid comments. We as a species kinda suck lol. Can't completely blame people for not doing anything but you would have to be a pretty big bitch to watch a couple guys get curb stomped like that.

I forget the name of the term given to the phenomena of indifference. Basically everyone thinks somebody else is going to intervene.

[Grunt76]

Just browsing the forum and noticed this thread. To grunt76. Just to let you know a lot of people believe your ideology borders on nazism and facism. I am not from your part of the world but know the situation as I have family there and studied it a bit. It's rather shameful what is happening in Quebec. A huge step backward since you passed laws that were deemed unconstitutional and in violation of human rights. Only thing that allowed you to put down another people, language, and many cultures is the nonwithstanding clause. As a foreigner to your country, I say shame on you and your idiologies. I would really like to see the immigrants gain power in Quebec whether it separates from Canada or not. That would finally shut your sects discriminatory mouths once and for all. And from what I know, once your kind loses power, it will never regain it. Quebec chose not to evolve like the rest of the world so eventually, you will be forced to. Isolating yourselves from the rest of the world in the name of saving your culture and language while destroying others and making their lives miserable is not a valid excuse anymore. If I lived there and was a citizen, I would ask you and yours to be removed from the province/country so it can progress without handicaps as you have put upon it. The immigrants will be the saviour for your province. Maybe not in my lifetime but eventually it will happen.

I hope you get to live a very long time.

Eventually you will see how RIGHT I am and how WRONG what you are writing here is.

But PEACE. To all.

And the Québécois ideology which you so insanely misunderstand, goes like this: "Why don't you just leave us the **** alone."

[turboturist]

And the Québécois ideology which you so insanely misunderstand, goes like this: "Why don't you just leave us the **** alone."

I dont usually say much with these arguments but for some reason you really struck a nerve here.

Unless you forget we are all ****ing immigrants here so get your head out of your ass or go back to France, then you dont have to worry about CANADA's immigrants.

[guest]

"Isolating yourselves from the rest of the world in the name of saving your culture and language while destroying others and making their lives miserable is not a valid excuse anymore."

...i like that.

[Grunt76]

I dont usually say much with these arguments but for some reason you really struck a nerve here.

Unless you forget we are all ****ing immigrants here so get your head out of your ass or go back to France, then you dont have to worry about CANADA's immigrants.

Who's "WE" you anglophone Canadian?

WE the French and our ancestors were LIVING PEACEFULLY with the natives when YOU and your ancestors the English came with your warmongering ways. The rest, as they say, is history.

[Canadian Bodybuilding]

Who's "WE" you anglophone Canadian?

WE the French and our ancestors were LIVING PEACEFULLY with the natives when YOU and your ancestors the English came with your warmongering ways. The rest, as they say, is history.

Hey buddy, there is a pretty big part of Canada that aren't descendants of the original England that settled here and speak English. Stop generalizing. And I agree with the immigrants part. We are all immigrants including you and your ancestors. So if you have a problem with the way things are in Canada, time for you to head back to where your ancestors came from. Just as you tell the other immigrants.

[turboturist]

Who's "WE" you anglophone Canadian?

WE the French and our ancestors were LIVING PEACEFULLY with the natives when YOU and your ancestors the English came with your warmongering ways. The rest, as they say, is history.

Your assuming I have an english heritage. And rotflmfao at the French never starting a fight.

[turboturist]

Oh and unless you forgot this as well due to a big part you would not have a France to go back to if it were not for us CANADIANS.

[Bowlcut]

If somebody wants to claim the accomplishments of their ancestors as their own they must also accept their failures as their own too.

Moral of the story: Fight harder next time France.

[Grunt76]

Oh and unless you forgot this as well due to a big part you would not have a France to go back to if it were not for us CANADIANS.

Yeah, my dear uncle Adolf would have saved the world from the monstrous imperialist scum. Don't remind me. Talk about getting EVERYTHING wrong. Yeah that includes history textbooks.

[White-Tiger]

I dont want to sound like a pussy here BUT...If you saw a group or 12-15 beating down on 2 people, would you personally jump in the melee?

I wouldn't, **** no, not alone anyway...If I had maybe 5-6 friends with me maybe. Jumping in that alone is pretty much asking to get as ****ed up as the other two.

Would be a different case if it would of only been 2-3 black guys doing the beating, but a whole freaking group? Yeah no thanks.

[trykillthis]

IMO the English should have finished the job and assimilated all the French into English culture as is standard practice for any conquered peoples throughout history. If they knew the headaches it would have cause in the future I'm sure it would have been done. Multi-Culturalism is a crock. I can't go to India and ask for road signs in English. Move to a country and learn their cultures and ways of living. Why everyone immigrates to a new country then try making it like the one they left is beyond me.

[leeroy]

lol....trykillthis, with grunts mentality, he will totally agree with you then turn around and say that is what the english and immigrants are trying to do with his country. You see, he doesn't see QC as PART of CANADA. He BELIEVES in his head that QUEBEC is HIS COUNTRY and the immigrants and english are out to destroy it. His kind are very predictable. It's the embarassment a lot of Quebecers have to deal with in this age and time. Thank God it's only about 25&#37; fo the Quebec population and not the general mentality of all. But still it shames us. French and English speaking alike.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

If you moved to China and failed to adapt to their ways within a year, you would be pounded with rocks. HARD. Russia? Same thing only a bit more quickly. And same thing everywhere else.

Here a few generations is good time. And it's a lot easier to be Canadian than to be Qu&#233;b&#233;cois. But this is CBB so I will refrain from making make a case for my blue color any more than that. Manners.



Since you directed that at me, I don't think you'll mind me answering. First off, this isn't China or Russia, this is CANADA. Get it. C-A-N-A-D-A if you need me to spell it slowly. What ways is it you believe I haven't adapted to?
I speak French, I interact in French. When I go to a store/restaurant, etc I speak first in French.

I wake up, shower, have breakfast (usually egg whites, a coffee and maybe a toast). Is that ok? Have I adapted correctly? Or is there still something wrong with me?

Oh but maybe that's not what you meant? Maybe this has nothing to do with the French language. Maybe you want me to adopt your ideology. Maybe you would want me to run around screaming, "Vive Le Quebec Libre"? Maybe that is what you meant? You have me very confused here as I really don't know what else I should be adapting to? Shall I change my last name to a French one to appease you. Please help me understand how to adapt correctly. Shall I stop eating pasta and instead eat poutine? Would you feel better then? Would that make you like me better?

[Shortdave]

But MP the real question is 'How many anglos did you belittle after your breakfast?'

[Bowlcut]

But MP the real question is 'How many anglos did you belittle after your breakfast?'

Or how much money did you sucker out of the rest of Canada?

[leeroy]

Or how much money did you sucker out of the rest of Canada?

Touché champion :D

[Grunt76]

Since you directed that at me, I don't think you'll mind me answering. First off, this isn't China or Russia, this is CANADA. Get it. C-A-N-A-D-A if you need me to spell it slowly. What ways is it you believe I haven't adapted to?
I speak French, I interact in French. When I go to a store/restaurant, etc I speak first in French.

I wake up, shower, have breakfast (usually egg whites, a coffee and maybe a toast). Is that ok? Have I adapted correctly? Or is there still something wrong with me?

Oh but maybe that's not what you meant? Maybe this has nothing to do with the French language. Maybe you want me to adopt your ideology. Maybe you would want me to run around screaming, "Vive Le Quebec Libre"? Maybe that is what you meant? You have me very confused here as I really don't know what else I should be adapting to? Shall I change my last name to a French one to appease you. Please help me understand how to adapt correctly. Shall I stop eating pasta and instead eat poutine? Would you feel better then? Would that make you like me better?

Calm down brother. This was not "directed at you" but rather "about that topic"... As in... Canadians and Québécois are too tolerant.

C'mon you guys, no sense of humor at all around here?

Someone else accused me of being "almost nazi" because I believe in my heritage, and that's kinda true coz that's what it is all about anyway, and then I play along and get pounded on?

LMAO guys...

[Grunt76]

Or how much money did you sucker out of the rest of Canada?

Not enough obviously. It will be enough when the R.O.C. *PLEADS* us to separate.:ne

[Grunt76]

IMO the English should have finished the job and assimilated all the French into English culture as is standard practice for any conquered peoples throughout history. If they knew the headaches it would have cause in the future I'm sure it would have been done.
Spoken like a true advocate of freedom. Unlike the Nazis who protect their own heritage you would FORCE others to CONVERT to yours. Nice.

Multi-Culturalism is a crock. I can't go to India and ask for road signs in English. Move to a country and learn their cultures and ways of living. Why everyone immigrates to a new country then try making it like the one they left is beyond me.
Aren't all road signs in English in India? Do they have road signs?

I took a cab recently where the driver happened to be from Haiti. I tried making conversation with the man, who had been living here for nearly 30 years now. He said to me "The worst mistake of my life is leaving the best country in the world to come to this shit country". Now ask me why I think we OVERDO IMMIGRATION?

At my neighborhood post office, there is this family working together. They are from China. They are the most pleasant people to talk to, they are friendly and cheerful. They're glad to be here. I'm glad they're here.

Cheers. Sig Heil! J/K come on...

[leeroy]

Why I love Canada is because we are made of the world. I can take the best parts from all cultures and blend it with my life. Authentic stuff, not what is recycled from television. Here in Quebec, they are less tolerant of foreigners. There is a 30&#37; unemployment rate in the French speaking allophone community. These are the ones that speak french at home. Huge failure on the language issue. These people should theoretically be under 5% unemployed. Of course if you only allow french speaking people from messed up countries, they won't integrate well. Seems things were much better when there were no language laws.
The only time you will ever get me to actually listen to anything you say seriously is when you would be promoting biligualism. This is a must, especially for YOUR people. Without it, they are living in a xenophobic fishbowl. The english language empowers you, especially in the BUSINESS world. In case you haven't been following world news (looking out of the fishbowl), times will be getting much tougher. Wouldn't your people want more ways to communicate with the business world to make more money and have a better life? If all the other cultures can speak french in quebec and not lose their culture, why can't quebec be bilingual and not lose it's cuture. Is your culture that weak that any stress on it will cause it to crack? You seem to have learned english well. Did you lose your culture? Your ideology? Your love of your province? I think not. So why not give your brothers the same power you have? Bill 101 discriminates against your own people as they can't even attend english school if they wanted to. Of course, you know now that most english schools are really french emersion. Half the day in english and half in french. I wonder who will be better off in the longrun. Separation or not, is not an excuse not to learn english. The chinese, the germans, italians, french (in france), polish, etc. All these warm up to the english language and use it for business and a lot of their people know how to speak it. And here, quebec that is in an ocean of english, tries to stop it's people from learning it. What a crock.

But of course, you are intelligent. You know that all this is about money and power right? This is really nothing about language and culture. This is about the control of your people and where their money goes and how to stay in power to rape us more. Cause understand, some of us here aren't brainwashed from an early age that the ROC is evil like you and your kids have and still are. Most of your kin would never leave qc cause they think canada is against them and out to destroy them. And in reality most of canada just lives their lives and get ahead and live good happy lives while here it's always anger and hatred.

Man, I can go on for pages on this but I am just tired of this crap. It's always on the radio, always in the news. Seriously, what's wrong with you people and your media? Doesn't quebec have anything else to speak about other than this crap for the last 30+ years. It's old and annoying. No kidding TQS just fell apart. Probably a large part of the french speaking population flipped over to english stations just for the peace from that political incessent nagging.

[trykillthis]

Yeah I was thinkin about that after I wrote that. But India was an English colony for a while so that has something to do with it.

The history of the world has been made by warring countries conquering others. Hence why most of central and south america speaks spanish, and Brazil speaks Portuguese. I am not saying you have to take away a peoples heritage. But dividing a country based on language is not going to help you with national unity. Especially when you have to enforce draconian laws to keep that language in place. If we are truly a Bi-lingual country, we should be able to speak and erect signs in which ever language we choose.

My heritage is scottish. Peoples conquered by the English hundreds of years ago. In Scotland they speak English not Gaelic.

Speaking of nazi's, we should maybe bring up the quebec language police.:ne

[leeroy]

India road signs are in English and accompanied by the local language. There is more than one local language in India.

[leeroy]

Speaking of nazi's, we should maybe bring up the quebec language police.:ne

You should hear the opinion of those that live here. Especially the allophones. Even the french speaking allophones that speak french at home hate it to an extreme. Most in time learn english and get better jobs or leave. But of course, after they get all their expensive educations in french universities :D

[Grunt76]

Why I love Canada is because we are made of the world. I can take the best parts from all cultures and blend it with my life. Authentic stuff, not what is recycled from television. Here in Quebec, they are less tolerant of foreigners. There is a 30% unemployment rate in the French speaking allophone community. These are the ones that speak french at home. Huge failure on the language issue. These people should theoretically be under 5% unemployed. Of course if you only allow french speaking people from messed up countries, they won't integrate well. Seems things were much better when there were no language laws.
The only time you will ever get me to actually listen to anything you say seriously is when you would be promoting biligualism. This is a must, especially for YOUR people. Without it, they are living in a xenophobic fishbowl. The english language empowers you, especially in the BUSINESS world. In case you haven't been following world news (looking out of the fishbowl), times will be getting much tougher. Wouldn't your people want more ways to communicate with the business world to make more money and have a better life? If all the other cultures can speak french in quebec and not lose their culture, why can't quebec be bilingual and not lose it's cuture. Is your culture that weak that any stress on it will cause it to crack? You seem to have learned english well. Did you lose your culture? Your ideology? Your love of your province? I think not. So why not give your brothers the same power you have? Bill 101 discriminates against your own people as they can't even attend english school if they wanted to. Of course, you know now that most english schools are really french emersion. Half the day in english and half in french. I wonder who will be better off in the longrun. Separation or not, is not an excuse not to learn english. The chinese, the germans, italians, french (in france), polish, etc. All these warm up to the english language and use it for business and a lot of their people know how to speak it. And here, quebec that is in an ocean of english, tries to stop it's people from learning it. What a crock.

But of course, you are intelligent. You know that all this is about money and power right? This is really nothing about language and culture. This is about the control of your people and where their money goes and how to stay in power to rape us more. Cause understand, some of us here aren't brainwashed from an early age that the ROC is evil like you and your kids have and still are. Most of your kin would never leave qc cause they think canada is against them and out to destroy them. And in reality most of canada just lives their lives and get ahead and live good happy lives while here it's always anger and hatred.

Man, I can go on for pages on this but I am just tired of this crap. It's always on the radio, always in the news. Seriously, what's wrong with you people and your media? Doesn't quebec have anything else to speak about other than this crap for the last 30+ years. It's old and annoying. No kidding TQS just fell apart. Probably a large part of the french speaking population flipped over to english stations just for the peace from that political incessent nagging.

leeroy, Canada is a bilingual country: Those who were born in French also speak English. You'd be AMAZED at how many of us speak English as I do, which is, equally well (but with an accent, obviously) as any English-raised person, yet refuse to speak it inside of Québec. I'm one of them. It's not just about language, it's about many other things. But again, it's interesting that YOU as most other unilingual anglophones, would like US bilingual francophones, to promote bilingualism. To whom exactly?

Do you think we need to go to English school to learn the easiest language on the planet? My god... Turn on the TV, radio, and so on, it's everywhere. It is no surprise that only the few in the remote areas of the province are unilingual French.

[Mr.Freeze]

Grunt, go out of town about nobody speak english! (ya pas un farmer qui parle anglais ,quasi tout le nord est francais a part Tremblant).

[leeroy]

lol, grunt, I am not bilingual. I am trilingual and I believe I will be learning another language soon. Your argument is not valid with me. You have a one track mind about people who speak english. It's sad really.

And the Freezeman will clean your clock about the reality of Quebec. I highly support his opinion.

[Bowlcut]

Yeah I was thinkin about that after I wrote that. But India was an English colony for a while so that has something to do with it.


Speaking of nazi's, we should maybe bring up the quebec language police.:ne

How dare you compare Nazi's to the language police. At least the Nazis let people use local languages on signs in the occupied countries.

[leeroy]

But again, it's interesting that YOU as most other unilingual anglophones, would like US bilingual francophones, to promote bilingualism. To whom exactly?



To your mostly unilingual kin. Canada was declared bilingual to appease them. The bill to bilingualize canada stands over 750 billion dollars. It's a failure. I agree on that. But they tried. If you choose to promote unilingual french in quebec, the first thing you must do is sit at the table with the rest of canada and change the constitution to uniligualize canada to english only. Then you can make quebec french only and call it fair.

But the reality of the situation is you'll only speed up the process of forcing english on your population. This has been spoken about many times before. You should know this already so it's old news to you. If canada become uniligual english, the francophones will mostly be forced to speak it to stop alienating themselves from the rest of north america and the english business world.

[leeroy]

How dare you compare Nazi's to the language police. At least the Nazis let people use local languages on signs in the occupied countries.

LOL

[Grunt76]

Grunt, go out of town about nobody speak english! (ya pas un farmer qui parle anglais ,quasi tout le nord est francais a part Tremblant).

Yeah well that's half of Québec right here bro. And I speak English that does not make me less Québécois. Hell, the Québécois are the people who learn the most foreign languages, talk about close-mindedness...

[leeroy]

43&#37; is the number of bilingual francophones in quebec I keep finding.

Ever go to Europe grunt? Most people there speak a MINIMUM of 2 languages. It's common for them to speak 3 or 4. But the trend around the world is English is working it's way into a lot of countries...and not by force either. They welcome it for business and being able to communicate with different people. Maybe the most logical thing this world could do is agree on 1 language that every person should be able to speak besides thier own. IE if spanish were chosen, then Quebec should speak french and spanish, rest of canada, english and spanish, chinese would speak chinese and spanish, etc etc. That way there is no more crap about language. We can all speak 1 together no matter where you are.
I also agree with Freeze, once you leave the greater montreal area and head north or east, forget about english. It's like speaking swahili to them. Actually worst as they will hate you for speaking english :D
Let's not even get into colored people going there. I got stories from a few years ago that you would believe was from the 50's and 60's. That's how backwards that area of this province is.

And isn't quebec voting based on area of land rather than population? You'll have to forgive me on not knowing as I don't vote on who's going to dry **** me in the ass.

[Grunt76]

As I said nothing of it is about language, yet you keep on going about it.

And do you think it's only rural Qu&#233;bec that is backwards? How about ALL OF CANADA INCLUDING DOWNTOWN TORONTO because they don't speak anything else but English. They hate us for speaking French. Case closed. Same logic, different context, you don't like it?

[leeroy]

lmao, have you ever actually checked how many francophones live in Ontario? Do you know that they have all french towns in ontario? I hope you are not shocked. They even kept their culture. Cool eh? I wonder how they would feel if ontario suddenly became the total english version of quebec. What about ottawa? Ever do the studies about that city and french? If you're a bilingual FRANCOPHONE in ottawa, you have a better chance to get a good job than a bilingual anglo/allophone.

And the age old argument about a separatist was always based on language and culture. That is what the politicians keep justifing the cause with. Then it gets into economics. But that's a whole new can of worms. Also quebec has the highest debt per capita of all the canadian provinces with the lowest amount of quality services back and the highest tax. Plus they get the most amount of money from the canadian gov't. Something is rotten with the way they manage money here. But it's ok, just keep blaming the ROC. It's easier to blame others than yourself or your own. This argument I am making is also made by a lot of your non separatist kin that are unilingual french. That is why the bloc is having so much trouble. The internet is starting to educate people instead of your warped biased books and media. And many quebecois that leave quebec can't believe how wrong they were about the ROC and how they felt lied to. But most say they still love quebec, which i don't refute. I love quebec, in specific montreal. I have been to many places and nothing beats this city. But I like it exactly as is. As part of Canada. As I am very proud of my country. Especially when I keep seeing it on many lists as one of the top countries in the world to live in. But the separatists of quebec seem to be a group that don't share the same views as the rest of the world. Welcome to the fishbowl as I call it :)

[leeroy]

Take a gander at this just so you don't think I'm full of shit. And that was just a quick search. There is more if I remember correctly. It's been a while I don't get into this argument. Sorry if my memory is a little rusty.

http://www.ofa.gov.on.ca/english/commun.html

Notice how no one bothers them and they have freedom to do as they please and create their french communities. I applaud them and Ontario for being a place to lead by example. The problem is here grunt, the laws are discriminatory and wrong. All in the name of a language and culture. You know something, if quebec were open like other places and english was a brother to french instead of an enemy then maybe the other side (the allophones and anglophones) might actually listen to your cause for separation and take you seriously. But as long as you discriminate, have discriminatory laws, view us as the enemy, there is nothing that comes out of your mouth that we will take seriously until we are equal. You would want the same if the situation was reversed.

[Grunt76]

Listen, I'm not one for saying anything is right or good with any level of government.

And actually I have lived in Ontario. In French-speaking communities. Near Ottawa. Where on the Radio stations my ears were constantly pounded by ontarians saying how the Qu&#233;b&#233;cois stole "their" jobs to go pay taxes in Qu&#233;bec. And in the same breath how the Qu&#233;b&#233;cois were stupid for wanting to separate, and wrong and how they deserved being hated for it.

Some unity huh?

[Bowlcut]

Ethnic, linguistic, or religious Nationalism is probably the dumbest thing to ever grace the face of the Earth. It's purpose is to divide, breed hate, and generate resentment for people that nobody has ever met.

[cedric]

Ethnic, linguistic, or religious Nationalism is probably the dumbest thing to ever grace the face of the Earth. It's purpose is to divide, breed hate, and generate resentment for people that nobody has ever met.

lets hug

[leeroy]

Ethnic, linguistic, or religious Nationalism is probably the dumbest thing to ever grace the face of the Earth. It's purpose is to divide, breed hate, and generate resentment for people that nobody has ever met.

Smartest thing said on this whole topic. Give the man some green. Amen brotha.

[leeroy]

Listen, I'm not one for saying anything is right or good with any level of government.

And actually I have lived in Ontario. In French-speaking communities. Near Ottawa. Where on the Radio stations my ears were constantly pounded by ontarians saying how the Québécois stole "their" jobs to go pay taxes in Québec. And in the same breath how the Québécois were stupid for wanting to separate, and wrong and how they deserved being hated for it.

Some unity huh?

Yet they didn't pass any laws to push down the french quebecois there. That's the point I'm trying to make. The laws are what is wrong. There will always be hate and xenophobia, both on the english and french part. But passing laws to PROMOTE discrimination is fundamentally wrong. It gives power to those who want to put down the other side. That is why over 500,000 allo/anglo's left quebec. That included large corporations and not only people. Set us back huge economically. It hurt not only the french but the english here also. I wish those companies were still here so we'd all have better paying jobs and a better economy. And maybe the allophones wouldn't have a 30% unemployment rate. You said you were an economics major. How bad was the damage? Do you know? Look at how Ontario is booming now.

Don't forget, the laws passed here were deemed unconsitutional by the supreme court. The UN concluded that bill 101 as first set forth was in violation of human rights. So they modified it to be right at the borderline to that judgement. The allophones (french speaking coming in now) are bitter at those laws and bitter that they have been set back by quebec's political agenda. As was said, if ever they gain power, REGARDLESS if quebec separates or not, they will change this province/country. I pray it is for the better and not the worst. We will one day be a minority you and I on this side of the world. I am also a white catholic so we have something in common. I don't feel threatened or anything like that about visible minority immigrants as long as they don't bother me or my life. But when I see them coming here and making crime and shit like that, it boils my blood as I would like Canada to one day rank as the number 1 country in the world to live in. The safest, the cleanest, the most undiscriminatory etc. Of course it'll never happen but at least we can all try. I do believe in the saying, united we stand...

This earth belongs to everyone. It's not mine or yours as there are many people starving and living in misery. You were lucky to be born where you were to have the freedom to want to separate and where laws prevail. Some people on this planet just wonder where they will find a bit of food so they can live another day. Or where they can sleep that night in safety so they won't be shot or killed by a bomb. Or raped, or told what to do or else. We still have the freedom to discuss, unlike a lot of people. That is why I tolerate immigrants. Because if I was born somewhere else on this earth, I would really feel like I was born in hell. And if there was a good place like Canada that would help me start a new life. I would feel a little better and try. But in those groups of people, there are always those who are never happy and hate anywhere they live or always say home was better even though Canada has given them everything they would never have back in there country. Don't judge all people with one breath as many of us are immigrants and love this country a lot more than where our ancestors came from. I do believe you fall in that category too :ne

[Bowlcut]

Smartest thing said on this whole topic. Give the man some green. Amen brotha.

Mostly the words of Marx.

I think everyone needs to step back and examine the entire picture and consider who benefits from French nationalism? In my opinion it is an entire political class whose sole raison d'être is this so called "sovereignty", yet people like Pauline Marois seem to awfully do well out of the struggle. This form of nationalism panders to peoples most basic fears of outsiders, and it are these fears the PQ builds itself on because without them citizens in Quebec would realize that the political elite have ruined this province. Marois talks about solidarity with her fellow Quebecois, but the land her mansion on the West Island was stolen from the people.

Talk of separation has prevented any rationale and civil discourse on issues facing Quebec like a MASSIVE public debt, crumbling infrastructure, terrible taxes, and why Hydro Quebec sells its electricity below fair market value and subsidizes inefficiency.

People get rich off of this debate because without it people like Marois would actually have to work *gasp* for a living like almost everybody else but because most Canadian and Quebec politicians are not intellectuals, nor skilled tradesmen, they have to resort demagoguery in order to pay their bills, or in the case of Andre Boisclair finance their cocaine and gay prostitute addiction.

There, no more talk about fantasies. That includes talking snakes, flying angels, and virgin births.

[Grunt76]

Ethnic, linguistic, or religious Nationalism is probably the dumbest thing to ever grace the face of the Earth. It's purpose is to divide, breed hate, and generate resentment for people that nobody has ever met.

That is so very wrong.

Rather, know that different people have never lived together with any other result than violence and war.

Nationalism, whether ethnic, linguistic or religious, serves to reinforce a people's greater abilities and use those to economic and cultural enrichment.

The contrary is ideological communism, where everyone is reduced to a cookie-cutter twin of his neighbor and everyone becomes identically poor, on ideological, cultural terms. Nice.

[BrownDevil]

The two white men were right: Mere words were enough to trigger these animals into a bloothirsty rampage. Get rid of them, no matter what color they are. Just send them all to Haiti or Darfur for a while, that is where they belong, no?

As for the white boys well they kinda deserve a Darwin...

Still... Don't you hear blacks calling each other "******" all the time?

I don't know much about this but I live in Montréal and I don't like it one bit.

Either way, it has NEVER ever happened that you would mix different types of people and that peaceful coexistence would result. It has ALWAYS resulted in turmoil and violence. So. Our politicians know this, yet insist on having so much immigration. This is planned turmoil and violence, people, offered you by your own government. Thank you Ottawa.

One more reason to separate from this helldump.

Oh really?

I could comment, but your post demonstrates your exact worth...so I'm not even going to waste my ****ing time.

[macka]

If a group of whites swarmed a pair of any other race young males over racial slurs, you can be damn sure they'd be brought up on hate crime charges, and dumped in jail for a long time. I think the individuals who swarmed those 2 guys should get charged with hate crimes and tossed in jail for a long time.

Grunt76 with your attitude all I have to say is get out of my country, my ancestors were here a lot longer then your european relatives.

[Bowlcut]

That is so very wrong.

Rather, know that different people have never lived together with any other result than violence and war.

Nationalism, whether ethnic, linguistic or religious, serves to reinforce a people's greater abilities and use those to economic and cultural enrichment.

The contrary is ideological communism, where everyone is reduced to a cookie-cutter twin of his neighbor and everyone becomes identically poor, on ideological, cultural terms. Nice.

How does nationalism not render one identically poor? After all it teaches someone to personify the ideal German and all of those traits and serves to create a group mentality. Look at all nationalistic movements and you will see they are based on unquestionable loyalty to the the state, ethnic group, or religion.

Your first part made no sense though,.