2010 OPA Ontario Naturals Discussion Thread

[MuSuLPhReAk]

This show will take place Saturday the 11th of September.

[Delt King]

I've got at least a half dozen CanadianMuscleTeam members heading up there to watch the prejudging and then pigging out offseason style. Should be an awesome time.
:friday

[bigtavi8]

Yesss sir. I will be here with CMT and Dk checking this show out for the prejudging at least. Better be a dam good show cuz i gotta leave my house at 5 AM:goodluck..........its aright tho got a really good friend competing in it and its his first one so we gotta cheer em on like he does for us. Only fair.

[bigtavi8]

Who else is attending this show from the board.

[Sean Summers]

I am judging.
SS

[fitnessbyzara]

I'll be there at the Finals :)

[69challenger]

2010 Ontario Natural Championships

Location: Hamilton ON

Promoter: Jamor

September 11, 2010



*FLASH RESULTS

*OFFICIAL RESULTS SUBJECT TO DRUG TESTING



Jr Men BB

1 Shannon Colonne Robertson

2 Paul Bousfield

3 Sheldon Smith

4 Kyle Fairhurst

5 Ben Ray

6 John Burke



Masters Men BB (age 40 and over)

1 Chris Becanic

2 David Hatton

3 Jeff Turner

4 Michael Watkin



Masters Men BB (age 50 and over)

1 George Mc Millan

2 Sott Canning

3 Ron Brown



Masters Men BB (age 50 and over)

1 George Mc Millan

2 Sott Canning

3 Ron Brown



GrandMasters Men BB (age 60 and over)

1 Robert Pritchard

[steve_d]

Masters Women BB (age 35 and over)

1 Janet Derosa

2 Eileen Jessop

3 Irene Stankovic

4 Linda Mc Feeters



GrandMasters Women BB (age 50 and over)

1 Laura Davies

3 Melodie Parker

2 Michelle Ward



Lightweight Women BB (up to 55kg/121lbs)

1 Janet De Rosa



Heavyweight Women BB (over 55kg/121lbs)

1 Azi Sadeghi

[69challenger]

Overall woman bodybuilder janet de rosa

[69challenger]

Classic Short men’s BB

1 Eric Daye

2 Lee Romanovich

3 James Elliot

[69challenger]

Classic Medium men’s BB

1 Kevin Steiger

2 Ryan Mc Clung

3 Sheldon Smit



Classic Medium-Tall men’s BB

1 Scott Canning

[69challenger]

Classic BB Tall

1 Duncan Milloy

2 Dave McLauchlan

[69challenger]

Figure Short Women (up to and including 158 cm)

1 Jenna Reid

2 Chantal Milot

3 Melissa Seipmann

4 Rosanne Rayfield

5 Carol Mio

[69challenger]

Figure Medium Women (up to and including 163 cm)

1 Alex Liska

2 Michelle Balcombe

3 Chelsea Boissonneault

4 Jennifer Racz

5 Lauren Storey-Reid

[Delt King]

Was at the prejudging today and i saw something that really chaps my a$$.
Competing was Erik Alstrup. Now first let me say that he seems to be a very nice guy and a good ambassador for the sport. His physique is also awesome. But what makes me a little upset is that he was an IFBB Pro and is currently an IDFA Pro and decides to compete in this amateur show? Come on, really. That's like me going back down to a local level show to compete and killing some kids dream of winning his class just to collect another trophy.
I thought the rules were pretty straight forward, pros don't compete with amateurs!
Weird.

[69challenger]

Figure Medium-Tall Women (up to and including 168 cm)

1 Jacequeline Gallagher

2 Mary Alyea

3 Shannon Jamael

4 Meni Moskowski

5 Lisa Faria

6 Julie Mancini

7 Carrie MacCorkindale

8 Tamara Beckers



Figure Tall Women (over 168 cm)

1 Tina Anderson

2 Ashlee Taylor

3 Rachel Finlay



Figure Tall Women (over 168 cm)

1 Tina Anderson

2 Ashlee Taylor

3 Rachel Finlay



Figure Masters short

1 Chantal Milot

2 Rosanne Rayfield



Figure Masters tall

1 Jacqueline Gallagher

2 Meni Moskowski

3 Tina Anderson

4 Lisa Faria

5 Julie Mancini



Figure Grandmaster Class

1 Lynda Jager

2 Tracy Styan

3 Carol Milo

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Bikini Up To And Including 5'4"

1 Michelle Shaw *OVERALL BIKINI CHAMPION

2 Michelle McDonald

3 Toni Colosimo

4 Renee Shaidle



Bikini OVER 5'4"

1 Adriana Grancic

2 Serveh Khalili

[Maria]

Was at the prejudging today and i saw something that really chaps my a$$.
Competing was Erik Alstrup. Now first let me say that he seems to be a very nice guy and a good ambassador for the sport. His physique is also awesome. But what makes me a little upset is that he was an IFBB Pro and is currently an IDFA Pro and decides to compete in this amateur show? Come on, really. That's like me going back down to a local level show to compete and killing some kids dream of winning his class just to collect another trophy.
I thought the rules were pretty straight forward, pros don't compete with amateurs!
Weird.

I can list a few other names that are also pros with other federations and yet still competing with amateurs. They should be asked to sign off on their pro status with that letter that CBBF enforces on their website. I know of one other who even competed in the Fitness, Figure and Bikini nationals who has a pro card with a couple of natural federations.

[ange_d]

the cbbf does ask to sign off for those reasons...but i have no problem with him going down a level considering he's gotten off the things that allowed him to become an ifbb pro. he wants to do things natural, props to him...the only reason he might not be allowed is the whole idfa pro thing, and we don't know for sure that he has not signed off with cbbf saying he will no longer compete as an idfa pro...
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- Steve posting under Ange;s handle.

[O-Train]

the cbbf does ask to sign off for those reasons...but i have no problem with him going down a level considering he's gotten off the things that allowed him to become an ifbb pro. he wants to do things natural, props to him...the only reason he might not be allowed is the whole idfa pro thing, and we don't know for sure that he has not signed off with cbbf saying he will no longer compete as an idfa pro...
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- Steve posting under Ange;s handle.

He's not going down a level. It's a different stream entirely. Build up an awesome base with drugs then decide to go clean and compete in a tested show. No wonder there are so many other federations popping up with more strict rules and guidelines. Who wants to compete as a natural athlete against guys who built their physique with steriods then had a change of heart. I'd say the exact same thing to a person's face.

Actually scratch that...I'd just tell them to **** off...

[steve_d]

He's not going down a level. It's a different stream entirely. Build up an awesome base with drugs then decide to go clean and compete in a tested show. No wonder there are so many other federations popping up with more strict rules and guidelines. Who wants to compete as a natural athlete against guys who built their physique with steriods then had a change of heart. I'd say the exact same thing to a person's face.

Actually scratch that...I'd just tell them to **** off...

I still think its a bit harsh. Erik has come clean, and is basically a motivational speaker against drug use. I don't think that his use 10 years ago has brought him to his awesomeness today. He competes in marathons, triathlons and ironmans...I honestly don't think you keep gains from using 12 years ago. And if you do, it certainly isn't anything to write home about. Instead of getting mad at someone who hasn't broken any rules about competing DOWN A LEVEL...yes, it is going down a level when you go from being a pro to not. Its going down a level when you go from national champion to provincial champion - yes its a different stream, but there is no rule prohibiting him from competing other than the pro status waiver thing....instead of getting mad at him, get mad at all the guys cheating to win this show and the world qualifier. The national champ last year failed the test. The provincial champ of a few years ago failed the test and was still on the poster promoting the provincial contest the year after. Or the number of guys and girls who don't get tested, but you basically KNOW they aren't clean. Those are the people you need to speak out against. Not someone who is honest about what he's doing and why.

Erik is competing at about 50 pounds less muscle than 12 years ago...If anything, the years of cycling and running has brought him to less muscle than had he just been clean the whole time.

[Dryvrgrl]

there was something similar in winnipeg... an IBBF pro wanted to compete at novice, I guess she won her pro card back in the day when there were 3 women competing in the country or something... anyway, she had babies, let her pro "status" (i think membership rate or somehting) die out, and was set for a comeback!
then she saw the calibre of athlete in the sport today, and decided to sit out.

ok actually, its not that similar...

MABBA disallowed 2 competitors because they did not revoke thier pro cards in other promotions...

[steve_d]

Done with the Erik thing...

[O-Train]

I still think its a bit harsh. Erik has come clean, and is basically a motivational speaker against drug use. I don't think that his use 10 years ago has brought him to his awesomeness today. He competes in marathons, triathlons and ironmans...I honestly don't think you keep gains from using 12 years ago. And if you do, it certainly isn't anything to write home about. Instead of getting mad at someone who hasn't broken any rules about competing DOWN A LEVEL...yes, it is going down a level when you go from being a pro to not. Its going down a level when you go from national champion to provincial champion - yes its a different stream, but there is no rule prohibiting him from competing other than the pro status waiver thing....instead of getting mad at him, get mad at all the guys cheating to win this show and the world qualifier. The national champ last year failed the test. The provincial champ of a few years ago failed the test and was still on the poster promoting the provincial contest the year after. Or the number of guys and girls who don't get tested, but you basically KNOW they aren't clean. Those are the people you need to speak out against. Not someone who is honest about what he's doing and why.

Erik is competing at about 50 pounds less muscle than 12 years ago...If anything, the years of cycling and running has brought him to less muscle than had he just been clean the whole time.

This is a sensitive issue for me. My intention was not to direct it at any one person. I would imagine that if Erik did not also compete in endurance sports he could have done a much better job retaining his muscle from the past. What bugs me is the guys who get to a high level with drugs then decide...I'll go clean this year, lets compete at the Natural show. I'll be the first to admit I get too worked up about drug use in competitions meant to be drug free. I would say in almost all cases a lifetime drug free competitor would be at a disadvantage competing against someone who was not. The people who use AAS and compete in natural shows make me a lot more upset. It's almost always really obvious who those people are too. I try to be vocal about these issues every chance I get. It's frustrating because I don't even have the time to prepare for a show. If I did decide to sacrifice all that time and put in a lot of work to compete at the Ontario Naturals I want an even playing field.

It seems like if you want to find a natural show with minimal drug use it has to be relatively obscure. An OPA show or any kind of prizes just attract people who should be competing in a non-tested show instead.

[steve_d]

This is a sensitive issue for me. My intention was not to direct it at any one person. I would imagine that if Erik did not also compete in endurance sports he could have done a much better job retaining his muscle from the past. What bugs me is the guys who get to a high level with drugs then decide...I'll go clean this year, lets compete at the Natural show. I'll be the first to admit I get too worked up about drug use in competitions meant to be drug free. I would say in almost all cases a lifetime drug free competitor would be at a disadvantage competing against someone who was not. The people who use AAS and compete in natural shows make me a lot more upset. It's almost always really obvious who those people are too. I try to be vocal about these issues every chance I get. It's frustrating because I don't even have the time to prepare for a show. If I did decide to sacrifice all that time and put in a lot of work to compete at the Ontario Naturals I want an even playing field.

It seems like if you want to find a natural show with minimal drug use it has to be relatively obscure. An OPA show or any kind of prizes just attract people who should be competing in a non-tested show instead.

I've lost too many times against people who are at an advantage for it to bother me. I feel just as good knowing I probably beat just as many people at an advantage than to those at an advantage who beat me. The sport isn't about winning anymore - it used to be, but I guess I've been at it enough times that a trophy becomes the least of my victories. Besides, you win and it just means someone who is better didn't show up - until you are talking about winning the overall at nationals - which for me is not going to happen, no matter how many drugs got involved.

[bigtavi8]

Well sed steve. I agree with u on that. Im wondering why you didnt compete in Ontario Naturals. You have a physique that could possibly win the overall most likely. Not questioning your choices just wishing i could see u up there because seriously it would have been no contest at that show.

[Bosser]

My girl took home figure short! Good show! A lot of good athletes for sure.

[steve_d]

Well sed steve. I agree with u on that. Im wondering why you didnt compete in Ontario Naturals. You have a physique that could possibly win the overall most likely. Not questioning your choices just wishing i could see u up there because seriously it would have been no contest at that show.

I woulda gotten my ass handed to me by Erik! I did the ontario naturals 4 years ago. Was about 5-6 pounds lighter on stage then and got 2nd place, I think I would need another 10 pounds to start winning the overall at that show. And I don't think I could gain 10 more naturally. I did win best poser at the show though which was pretty cool.

My focus now is to potentially win my class at nationals next year.

[Andre Gregoire]

I was pretty sure that the OPA/CBBF required 5 years drug free to compete in natural events and the FCPAQ in QC required the same.

I just checked now and all 3 sites don't speak of a 5 yr requirement. Can anyone else find this? Has the 5yr requirement been removed?

[steve_d]

I don't think they ever had this. In fact, I believe I've seen people banned for failed test return to the stage after the 2 year ban from the cbbf. You basically just need to be drug free for when they test you. Besides, asking to be drug free for 5 years is basically a moral thing anyway, its not as though competing at the non-tested nationals implies you are not drug free, so how could they enforce 5 year drug free other than simply asking the competitor not to lie. 5 year or 5 weeks could easily be the same thing according to a drug test.

[Andre Gregoire]

I guess I got confused with the IDFA or other associations.



IDFA DRUG TESTING POLICIES

Official and sanctioned events of the IDFA will have in place strict drug testing guidelines and protocols to ensure a fair playing ground. Official and sanctioned IDFA events will be tested via polygraph, voice stress test or urine analysis. The organizer (promoter) has the option to use more than one method of testing, i.e. polygraph and urine analysis, at their event. Testing is based on The 2010 Prohibited List, World Anti-Doping Code (WADC).

If an athlete tests positive for a substance on The 2010 Prohibited List (WADC) they will be suspended from competing in IDFA official and sanctioned events for five (5) years. When polygraph or voice stress testing is the method of testing an athlete that tests positive for a banned substance will not be allowed to enter the event. When urine analysis is the method of testing an athlete that tests positive for a banned substance will have their name removed from the official results.

All IDFA athletes must be drug free for a period of no less than five (5) years.

[bigtavi8]

While talking to a friend of mine who went to the show with us he explained a lot about the natural stream i never knew. He explained the IDFA drug policy and what they do to catch ppl and i found it to be better than our OPA testing plus apparently the IDFA runs some good shows. Just an idea for some natural athletes not looking to go the OPA stream and want to compete on a more level (never perfect) playing field.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Here's a pic of Eric Daye who took 1st in Men Classic Short

[M2C.ca]

Hi everyone!

Not only is this my first post on this site but its also my first time at an OPA event. Here are some random pics from the show. Sorry I'm not familiar with most of the OPA competitors or I would have included a description and ID with the pics.

Hope you like 'em anyway.

[Andre]

Natural or not... chick #5 is jacked :)

[69challenger]

Natural or not... chick #5 is jacked :)

That's my girl Chantal Milot.....a real sweetheart. She placed top 5 at Nationals a few weeks back.

[steve_d]

and if the judges were the same national judges would easily have won this show in my mind...

[steve_d]

Hi everyone!

Not only is this my first post on this site but its also my first time at an OPA event. Here are some random pics from the show. Sorry I'm not familiar with most of the OPA competitors or I would have included a description and ID with the pics.

Hope you like 'em anyway.

These are real good photos. Better than most pics we get from the official photographers. I hope you're at more OPA events in the future!

[bigtavi8]

x 2 on that. Very clear photos u must have a good cam. Dont let dave paul the official photographer catch ya or u gonna have to brawl..hahaha

[steve_d]

x 2 on that. Very clear photos u must have a good cam. Dont let dave paul the official photographer catch ya or u gonna have to brawl..hahaha

Let them brawl!! GO M2C! I spent a crap load on pics, and basically none turned out that great. Part of it was due to angles he was at for the night show, but even when angled straight on, the pics were nothing to write home about. I'd much rather spend 100$ on 10 good pics, than 100$ for 200 crappy ones...

[Talo]

While talking to a friend of mine who went to the show with us he explained a lot about the natural stream i never knew. He explained the IDFA drug policy and what they do to catch ppl and i found it to be better than our OPA testing plus apparently the IDFA runs some good shows. Just an idea for some natural athletes not looking to go the OPA stream and want to compete on a more level (never perfect) playing field.

Do they only test the winners or is a % of the people in the contest ?

I know with that last powerlifting event it was only 10% of the people ( which was only 3 people ) because it is a very expensive test.

[steve_d]

Do they only test the winners or is a % of the people in the contest ?

I know with that last powerlifting event it was only 10% of the people ( which was only 3 people ) because it is a very expensive test.

changes from show to show. The time I did it, they only tested 2 people I think. But a year or 2 before that, they caught a few, so I don't know if that means only a few got tested and all failed, or if they tested a bunch and a few of those failed. I would hope the latter.

[OPA Girl]

Here are pics of the show.

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[OPA Girl]

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[ScorpioChiq]

I think if you are Natural you need to work even harder at dieting, training, prepping for the contest. Some of the people in the show, natural or not, look like they need to shed at least 15 more lbs to be contest ready?

[OPA Girl]

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[Talo]

changes from show to show. The time I did it, they only tested 2 people I think. But a year or 2 before that, they caught a few, so I don't know if that means only a few got tested and all failed, or if they tested a bunch and a few of those failed. I would hope the latter.


You would almost think they would test ALL that won or even top three in each class.

[M2C.ca]

x 2 on that. Very clear photos u must have a good cam. Dont let dave paul the official photographer catch ya or u gonna have to brawl..hahaha

Thanks for the comments :-)

LOL not looking for a brawl, trying to step on toes or sell photos. Being an official photographer is really hard work and I know where Dave is coming from. My shots are NFS.

I'm just promoting an awesome sport.

[bigtavi8]

JK man we as competitors appreciate photographers like you that our out there for the sport and the athletes rather than a pay cheque. Keep up your excellent work and picture quality!

[bluenose]

Thanks for the photos!