School Bullying

[macka]

So we are getting ready to embark on a new school year. The kids are already at each other. The other day my son is playing with a few of his cohorts when they just outta the blue start namecalling another kid. I go over and give my son shit. The other kids start beaking at me. Another parent comes over and we get into it. She starts giving me shit for giving my son shit. I flat out told her to **** off and mind her own ****ing business. I don't parent her kids and she should not tell me how to raise mine. She called the police. So I spend 20 mins talking to the police, who pretty much were going to arrest me for telling off a stupid bitch. Once they got to the bottom of the shituation, they looked at her and asked if she had a problem with me stopping the name calling by my son.
She then proceeds to say that we should just let the kids play and be kids. The cop who has 2 kids of his own looks at her and walks away. Since the cops would do nothing, she calls her fat ass hubby to come over and "sort me out". The cops hadn't left and chubs comes up and shoves me. I decked him, he was a one shot wonder. So now I have a court date, ****.

[JonnyO]

LMAO, dude I dread the day this happens to me, and you can bank on it that it will. I will not tolerate bullying. If I ever see my kid or another bullying my boy I dont know what I'd do. I replay the scenario in my head all the time.

Like what do you do if your kids being bullied? Talk to the parents? What if they dont believe you? Then what? I think if it happens just walking him to school so the other kids see me, and that Im a big dude will be enough to prevent them from messing with him, lol. I know if worked for me when I was young and people knew my old man, lol. I sent him and my older brother, who were both bodybuilders, to bullies houses and after that talk they were pretty nice to me, hahaha.

I hope all goes well in court....he came at you first and you were protecting yourself right, so...

[Big D]

ahh shit did the kids see you hit him ? not a good example for them lol.

but anyways i think bullying is horrible,
i use to tease alot of kids when i was younger, including my lil sister.
looking back at it now I really regret it.
no one deserves to be bullied.

[macka]

cops were just back, they had a chat with buddy and he's seen the light and dropping the charges as my counter charge was against both him and his wife. Talk about small town drama. The female cop was the one who said their report shows him coming at me and I only hit him once, I didn't do anything else after that. The best part is there is a mutual peace bond. I guess I'll hear all about it from the town gossips. I have no marks on me at all, he on the other hand has a nice bruise on his jaw by his ear.

[Andre Gregoire]

I'm with JonnyO, my son is 2.5 now so I guess I will have to deal with that shit in a few years. He's a small kid also so I really hope he doesn't get picked on.

[Big D]

cops were just back, they had a chat with buddy and he's seen the light and dropping the charges as my counter charge was against both him and his wife. Talk about small town drama. The female cop was the one who said their report shows him coming at me and I only hit him once, I didn't do anything else after that. The best part is there is a mutual peace bond. I guess I'll hear all about it from the town gossips. I have no marks on me at all, he on the other hand has a nice bruise on his jaw by his ear.

good to hear everything worked out in your favor macka.

[GYMBRAT]

thats funny shit macka....good for you tho bro!!!!

I also agree wit jonnyO as well, and my pops was a big boy as well.


.....my oldest boy is 18 in Nov....but I taught him the same way I was taught, if someone hits ya (and your not able to jst walk away because of certain circumstances), hit'em back but HARDER

GB

[ubcpower]

LMAO, dude I dread the day this happens to me, and you can bank on it that it will. I will not tolerate bullying. If I ever see my kid or another bullying my boy I dont know what I'd do. I replay the scenario in my head all the time.

Like what do you do if your kids being bullied? Talk to the parents? What if they dont believe you? Then what? I think if it happens just walking him to school so the other kids see me, and that Im a big dude will be enough to prevent them from messing with him, lol. I know if worked for me when I was young and people knew my old man, lol. I sent him and my older brother, who were both bodybuilders, to bullies houses and after that talk they were pretty nice to me, hahaha.

I hope all goes well in court....he came at you first and you were protecting yourself right, so...

Jonny0, as a school teacher , I have a unique chance to see the type of kids who are routinely bullied. Every parent wants their child to be popular and this does not necessarily mean having to succumb to the stigma of wearing the right clothes and having the latest accessories. Their confidence and peer acceptance is developed early in elementary and the best thing I can recommend is have your child play sports. even if they are not the next prodigy in whatever sport it may be have them play all the school sports in gr 6 and gr 7.... basketball, volleyball, track...etc Inevitably this will slot them in to a 'popular' group and give them a social network that is healthy and competitive.
Now as far as day to day teasing you must teach your child to be able to take a joke. You can not expect them to walk around all emotionally armored up and as soon as someone makes a joke about them they start swinging or flip out. Teach them to be good sports , teach them self humility ...any parent can do this by poking fun at yourself and demonstrating its ok to have fun with certain personal flaws or quirks. Everyone is human.
My 2cents as an elementary teacher

[GYMBRAT]

good post ubc.......A team sport is a very good idea for kids to start in at an early age....I agree 110%

GB

[vakker]

What did you expect from this? beaking off, back and forth doesn't stop bullying, it encourages the power struggle that the bully wants. You getting involved just encouraged it. You actually became the role model bully as you beaked off to the kids (you are big and wanted to exert your power over them) and then you beaked the mom (exerting power over her) and eventually hit the hubby (exerting power over him). You are a bully.

I'd honestly bet that your son was the aggressor, based solely on your actions in this story. They learn it from their parents.


So we are getting ready to embark on a new school year. The kids are already at each other. The other day my son is playing with a few of his cohorts when they just outta the blue start namecalling another kid. I go over and give my son shit. The other kids start beaking at me. Another parent comes over and we get into it. She starts giving me shit for giving my son shit. I flat out told her to **** off and mind her own ****ing business. I don't parent her kids and she should not tell me how to raise mine. She called the police. So I spend 20 mins talking to the police, who pretty much were going to arrest me for telling off a stupid bitch. Once they got to the bottom of the shituation, they looked at her and asked if she had a problem with me stopping the name calling by my son.
She then proceeds to say that we should just let the kids play and be kids. The cop who has 2 kids of his own looks at her and walks away. Since the cops would do nothing, she calls her fat ass hubby to come over and "sort me out". The cops hadn't left and chubs comes up and shoves me. I decked him, he was a one shot wonder. So now I have a court date, ****.

[MrFrench]

What did you expect from this? beaking off, back and forth doesn't stop bullying, it encourages the power struggle that the bully wants. You getting involved just encouraged it. You actually became the role model bully as you beaked off to the kids (you are big and wanted to exert your power over them) and then you beaked the mom (exerting power over her) and eventually hit the hubby (exerting power over him). You are a bully.

I'd honestly bet that your son was the aggressor, based solely on your actions in this story. They learn it from their parents.

Macka did say that his son started the problem and that he disciplined him alone. Maybe I'm missing something? I usually agree with most things you post.

As for kids learning from their parents....hopefully those other kids picked up that if you go beaking and sticking your nose where it doesn't belong you can get stung.

[#8]

that whole situation is funny. good job on punching fatty. he was a dick.

[vakker]

I am actually an elementary school teacher, I just get really fed up with parent's and their bully attitudes and not expecting kids to take and learn from it. To me this rant is just an asshole being a bigger asshole around his kid and other kids.


Macka did say that his son started the problem and that he disciplined him alone. Maybe I'm missing something? I usually agree with most things you post.

As for kids learning from their parents....hopefully those other kids picked up that if you go beaking and sticking your nose where it doesn't belong you can get stung.

[macka]

vakkar,

I was disciplining my kid for his unnacceptable behaviour. The kids he was with were on the verge of getting physical, their body language, their verbal language and the fact they had circled the kid in question are pretty good indicators that they were bullying. I only talked to my son at first and the kids turned on him. I told them to leave. No swearing, no yelling. The mother of the one child came to me, ranting. I was using a calm voice, and she was the one getting her blood up. She called the police, she made the complaint. Her fat husband came up to me, and shoved me. I defended myself. What is so wrong with that?
As a school teacher you sure like to label people. For those that know me in person, know I am a mild guy, with a bent sense of humour.

[slick rick]

You did good Macka... why the lady would try to argue with you for sticking up for the young kid and then try to tell you how to disipline your own is beyond me.. and fat ass had it coming too, lol.

The thread brought back a funny memory. When i was in grade 7 I moved to the other side of town. i moved in the summer and the kids on the street took to making fun of me, i had a slight speech impediment back then. So the pack would tease me and chase me down every chance they got. it was hard enough going to a new school, but the pack would make fun of me on the bus, on lunch ect ect....

This went on for a couple weeks and i finally had it.. i got off the bus in the morning and waited for the biggest guy in the pack to get off... and I layed a beating on him in front of all his buddies... left him crying on the ground, lol.

School policies may change.... zero tolerance for violence ect... but the way to stop a bully will never change.

I find now with my kids that girls are much worse at singling out other girls and picking on them than boys ever are.

[natenator]

I find now with my kids that girls are much worse at singling out other girls and picking on them than boys ever are.

With boys there's a pecking order which is usually ended with fists involved.

Girls don't fight (generally) so it becomes difficult to stop girl bullies as you can't punch the shit out of them.

[JifeLacket]

My little sister is so bad ass its hilarious.

[vakker]

vakkar,

I defended myself. What is so wrong with that?
As a school teacher you sure like to label people.

Read your rant and then re-read your post. Either the rant is a shit-head bravado untruth or your updated post is a soften the blow bitch back down statement.

I won't bother to figure out which is which.

[macka]

Read your rant and then re-read your post. Either the rant is a shit-head bravado untruth or your updated post is a soften the blow bitch back down statement.

I won't bother to figure out which is which.

yea I pull in the reigns on my kid, tell the other kids to butt out, have a mother freak on me for telling her kid to back off, she gets the police and her husband involved because she makes me mad enough to swear at her for being stupid and getting up in my face. I'm supposed to take some shit from a woman because she is a woman? I in this day and age have to be polite to her? She uses profanity from the get go when her kid is asked to leave without profanity? Her husband assaults me and I have to take it? You then have to call me a liar? What would you do in that situation? I think you have been neutered by society.

[vakker]

You want a real answer?

Grab your kid and walk away. Would of avoided everything that escalated beyond that. You have the court date and ****ed up kid, not them. Fix yourself instead of yelling, screaming and shoving others in hopes to "fix" everything that does not tickle your fancy at that moment.



yea I pull in the reigns on my kid, tell the other kids to butt out, have a mother freak on me for telling her kid to back off, she gets the police and her husband involved because she makes me mad enough to swear at her for being stupid and getting up in my face. I'm supposed to take some shit from a woman because she is a woman? I in this day and age have to be polite to her? She uses profanity from the get go when her kid is asked to leave without profanity? Her husband assaults me and I have to take it? You then have to call me a liar? What would you do in that situation? I think you have been neutered by society.

[Shortdave]

I am pretty sure the court date was dropped.

[macka]

You want a real answer?

Grab your kid and walk away. Would of avoided everything that escalated beyond that. You have the court date and ****ed up kid, not them. Fix yourself instead of yelling, screaming and shoving others in hopes to "fix" everything that does not tickle your fancy at that moment.

Court was dropped. I wanted to sort my kid out by example seeing that he was part of a group bullying another kid. Its not right to not say anything when you see a child being bullied by a group. My kid was with a group of kids, not the ring leader. I don't want him to be that kind of kid. He's not ****ed up, he is a typical 5 year old, but gave into peer pressure. The kid who led the bullying is a teachers child, and should know better. The parents who confronted me, used force and were trying to intimidate me. She had no clue what was going on other then I was in the playground telling the kids to play elsewhere. She went off half cocked, yelling and swearing and waving her arms in my face. She called the police into the situation when I told her off. Yes I swore at her, yes I lost my temper a bit, but hey, I am human right? I don't have to put up with someone yelling and swearing and threatening me.
What would you do if a parent jumped in your face like that? You sure wouldn't turn your back would you? I know in the school that the police are called for unruly parents, and you are allowed to defend yourself. Why was I in the wrong? You seem to miss the point, and accuse me of bullying and having a ****ed up kid. I think you need to reread the anti bullying credo the kids recite. Also take into effect, I was angry when I wrote the original post, and the fact that the situtation was no win for me no matter what. I had to vent, so I did. You seem to be the only one who thinks I was completely wrong.

[Big_Papa_B]

Macka your new avatar is making me sick!!! gross!

[ironwill]

Macka, hopefully you will ignore vakkers comments, if you look back in the history of his posts, he is mr opposite to common sense.....This is what he does, still not sure why he is here....He is ONLY trying to get you going.....Just do a check on the troll, you will see.....Thats his goal in life.....He is the fat guy type that comes up and butts in your business, that later gets dropped as a one hit wonder...As you said he is the only one differing for the most part, thats what he does.....Now ill get ready for a PM....lolol

[L3]

mr opposite to common sense

lmao

[GYMBRAT]

Macka, hopefully you will ignore vakkers comments, if you look back in the history of his posts, he is mr opposite to common sense.....This is what he does, still not sure why he is here....He is ONLY trying to get you going.....Just do a check on the troll, you will see.....Thats his goal in life.....He is the fat guy type that comes up and butts in your business, that later gets dropped as a one hit wonder...As you said he is the only one differing for the most part, thats what he does.....Now ill get ready for a PM....lolol

lmao....love it Idub!!! :hu

[macka]

Macka your new avatar is making me sick!!! gross!

BPB its motivation bro, don't want any of them catching us LMAO

[vakker]

Macka, hopefully you will ignore vakkers comments, if you look back in the history of his posts, he is mr opposite to common sense.....This is what he does, still not sure why he is here....He is ONLY trying to get you going.....Just do a check on the troll, you will see.....Thats his goal in life.....He is the fat guy type that comes up and butts in your business, that later gets dropped as a one hit wonder...As you said he is the only one differing for the most part, thats what he does.....Now ill get ready for a PM....lolol

trolling me still makes you a troll. You should go back and read that PM I sent you a while ago, because you add nothing to this discussion other than trying to be a hero to no one.

[Knuckles28]

BPB its motivation bro, don't want any of them catching us LMAO

Stop lying, thats your online sweety you've been talking about!!!

I would have done the same thing, fatty shoves me he will get hit. Is that the right thing too do In front of my kid? Maybe not i would hope i could have walked away.
I've had issue's with my daughter being the bully, she no longer is after our talk. My son is an artsy fartsy kid he gets picked on by the local bullies, not so much now that he's in grade 8 and has proven he won't take shit. This too was after our talk. Yes i was the bully when i was a kid but both my kid's have turned out great.
Really i don't understand Varkers position on this topic. Seems to be trying to stir the pot.

[turboturist]

For those that know me in person, know I am a mild guy, with a bent sense of humour.

I will vouch for that.

[JifeLacket]

Macka, hopefully you will ignore vakkers comments, if you look back in the history of his posts, he is mr opposite to common sense.....This is what he does, still not sure why he is here....He is ONLY trying to get you going.....Just do a check on the troll, you will see.....Thats his goal in life.....He is the fat guy type that comes up and butts in your business, that later gets dropped as a one hit wonder...As you said he is the only one differing for the most part, thats what he does.....Now ill get ready for a PM....lolol

Lol I was going to say something similar, can't say it much better then this! :a+

[JifeLacket]

trolling me still makes you a troll. You should go back and read that PM I sent you a while ago, because you add nothing to this discussion other than trying to be a hero to no one.

Why are you sending him PM's behind the scene, do you like men?

[ubcpower]

Why are you sending him PM's behind the scene, do you like men?

Hilarious Gay joke

[JifeLacket]

It was a serious question, but if you found it funny then more power to you! :)

[#8]

Its not gay if you dont get a boner.

[evoke]

haha, nice job. Fatty had it coming.
I'd never allow people to shove me either.

[ironwill]

yup, got the PM....Name calling and inert words....lolol....But as i said to the TROLL, he has no power once we have figured out his game!!!!Sorry to hi jack Macka.....Just want all to know the troll does have internet under the bridge.....Now he will cut down my wonderful girlfriend as i made the mistake of showing weakness on that front twice before...I know i should have learned the first time, but i just dont take kindly to folks cutting down my lil lady!!, But again, once you know, POWER-BE-GONE!!!
Good Job Macka, anyone that takes that shit only allows for it to progress and grow....Ill guarantee that much!!! As it sounds like the parents were bullies as well, and didnt mind watching the bullying.....But when a bully gets beat, not unlike a troll, they lose their powers that be!!!

[ironwill]

Its not gay if you dont get a boner.

What if it moves a lil bit??

[macka]

What if it moves a lil bit??

twinges? or that beginnings of a stirring? Don't mind the hi jack IW, I knew he was trolling but had to feed the troll. I almost lost it though.

[Forever]

While I tend to agree that the best course of action probably would have been to just remove yourself and your son from the situation and it probably wasn't a real good example to set by laying the pushy fat **** out, hindsight is always 20/20 and faced with the same situation I'm sure many of us would have reacted the same way.

That said reading this made my day. Right or wrong, a member of the bullying family getting knocked out is vindicating. Glad to hear the charges got dropped, that could have been a dirty expensive mess to deal with.




What if it moves a lil bit??
Impotent homosexual, tough break man, I'm sorry.

[a_ahmed]

Dude I woulda knocked rthe **** out of the douchebag wife's douchebag husband too... what a justice system lol, but it's good the police witnessed everything.

It's amazing, it's like this one time when some ahole woman started yelling at my mother, then her 'boyfriend' came and started yelling at my mother's face straight up and my dad was trying to remain calm the whole time... but of course couldn't hold it when the ahole 'boyfriend' got in my mom's face. Pushed the ****er down and he whimpered. Police didn't make any charges and told the guy to back the **** off and that my dad was defending my mother. Yet at first it seemed like the guy 'had the right to press charges'.

So bs, the whole 'peace' in situations like this is a hoak of crap. That if you get attacked and you beat up the other guy you can get arrested for 'assault' or whatever yet the other guy attacks you.

The bottom line is this, bullying sucks, and honestly, no bullies learn until you beat them up. PERIOD. I know from back in school as I was an immigrant kid. I was aaaaalll about 'peace' and never wanting to fight and this and that . You know what it got me? Just being made fun of verbally constantly, until I beat up the kids and they never ever bothered me. In fact they became friends or 'respected' me. That's how school is and unless some of you forget, the kids today are way worse than when we went back to school or when our parents went back to school.

And fyi, the whole 'sticks and rocks can break your bones but words will never hurt me' is the largest pile of crap statement ever.

Physical scars always heal up, but scars on the inside either take a long time to heal up or never do.

And teachers... honestly? They are USELESS. I remember when I used to complain to teachers about being bullied, I even ended up being suspended because she 'trusted the other kids'. I got STABBED (I kid you not) by one kid and I GOT SUSPENDED. Can you believe that? The reason the other kid stabbed me? I was playing chess with one of our 'friends' and he was jealous and wanted to play instead so he tried to drop me out of my chair and couldn't so he stabbed me with a 0.5mm pencil in the chest.

Gtfo.

[macka]

Now the school is having a parents meeting city hall style as bullying in the school yard is increasing. It ought to be interesting to hear their way of dealing with this. It stems from an incident where a kid was hurt on the playground and was hospitalised. We'll see what happens

[macka]

what a joke, :beat the parents are completely indifferent to the situation. Talking to the principal afterwards she was totally floored by some of the parents reactions. They called her heavy handed for suspending the child for a month because she broke another kids arm. IMO she should have been expelled for the year.

[L3]

what a joke, :beat the parents are completely indifferent to the situation. Talking to the principal afterwards she was totally floored by some of the parents reactions. They called her heavy handed for suspending the child for a month because she broke another kids arm. IMO she should have been expelled for the year.

a broken arm and no expulsion???? wtf.... switch schools or better yet start training your kids to punch for the throat

[evoke]

In grade 5, my friend had his clavicle broken when some fat kid, intentionally, jumped on him. It wasn't friendly horse play, they hated each other.

The fat kid did not even get a suspension.

[natenator]

In grade 5, my friend had his clavicle broken when some fat kid, intentionally, jumped on him. It wasn't friendly horse play, they hated each other.

The fat kid did not even get a suspension.
If they hated each other than it is likely your friend did jusat as much to egg the situation on as the other kid did to cause injury to your friend.

In sports we call that offsetting penalties.

[macka]

a broken arm and no expulsion???? wtf.... switch schools or better yet start training your kids to punch for the throat

My boy won't be punching throats. He is in Tae Kwon Do and I agree with his teacher, who has pretty much trained the kids not to start stuff. If he has to end a situation so be it, but the guy teaching (sensei) is hammering it into their minds that bullying is not tolerated, and his students will not be bullys, or victims.

[macka]

If they hated each other than it is likely your friend did jusat as much to egg the situation on as the other kid did to cause injury to your friend.

In sports we call that offsetting penalties.

In real life that is assault causing bodily harm.

[natenator]

In real life that is assault causing bodily harm.
In real life, we call it an eye for an eye.

[macka]

In real life, we call it an eye for an eye.

nah more like a leg for a black eye

[bcaamuscle]

I got made fun of in grade 7, I ignored comments for a while until I got pissed off and got in a fight with the fat kid. I was really small so I got my ass kicked but I busted his lip open. I fought another guy once too but won that. No one ever bothered me after that all the way from Grade 7 til I graduated. Actually became friends with the guys..bullies suck and there's no real clean way to deal with that situation. I agree that girls are the WORST, they are so mean to each other lol

[warlock]

My first week in grade one: I beat 5 boys 7 times!

My brothers pull me and give me shit : "You are not the sheriff in the school moron. Don't ever start a fight! Finish them!"

Things change and I was bullied in grade 6 and 7 at the beginning of grade 8 I just told to one fo teh worst bullies in school to shut the **** up or I'd make him shut up. He barked i barked and that was teh end of it forever.

I made myself available to be beaten but not back off.

It worked.

If I had a kid I would put him in karate at the age of 3 and give him the same advice that my brothers gave to me.

PS I had 3 older brothers and that never stopped the bullies from coming.