Test results

[Talo]

So I got mine back and 54 was the magic number for me and they say that 30-130 is normal .

At first I didn't even understand what the measurement was . It's picomol and that's something I'm not use to.

Now 30-130 seems to me like a huge range and for me to fall in at 54 is the low end of normal , IMO. But to the dr he says it's perfect.

I'm going to make an appointment with an anti aging doctor in Edmonton because I think that he will have a better understanding of what I'm thinking . That is I would rather be on the higher end of normal than the lower end.

Good news is my wife is now on board with me getting some test. So I will prob start in the new year sometime . Some more research will be done on .

This dr said they wouldn't even think about starting me ( or someone ) on supplementing test until the number was around 15 ???

I didn't get into an argument with him but I was still asking him lots of "why" questions. I did reasure him that I wasn't their asking to be put on anything, as he seemed a bit nervous and he found it hard to look me in the eye.

Crazy ?

[Benny62]

Is there any anti aging doctors in Edmonton? I think your best bet is the Endocrinologiy and metabolism center at the U of A. But I'm sure you need a referal

[Talo]

Is there any anti aging doctors in Edmonton?

Yes, there are about 4 of them. I sent them an email last week , going to call this week

[GYMBRAT]

keep us posted Talo, good luck with it also bro

[ironwill]

Is that free test, or total test, also what is your shbg values, lh, fsh....??
Good luck in your quest..

[Talo]

It's my free test. Not sure on the other things your asking.

[zziggzzigg]

thing is if you look at it the way most doctor's would, your levels are almost double what is considered the low end of normal range

[Big_Papa_B]

Wouldn't the best time to get tested for this be after cycle before PCT kicks in...after the aas have left the system and before the bodies natural test levels kick back up??? I would think that you could score a very low test score by doing this??? Would this work???

[RagingRandy]

For all those contemplating trying to fool the doctor through various means in order to get a script for Test, I can tell you it is not worth the hassle.

You will be subjected to regular blood tests that could\will interfere with future cycles.
You will be allowed to buy a 5cc 200mg\ml bottle every 6-8 weeks.
You will be on record with the government that you are on this drug.
You will get regular prostrate exams....this is a plus for Mr. O

Hardly worth the effort unless you genuinely need it.

[tiramisu]

The question for 200..... "What is normal".

[ironwill]

It's my free test. Not sure on the other things your asking.

SHBG, is sex hormone binding globulin, one of the factors that allow free test to be high, or low
LH, leutinizing hormone, which stimulates pituitary to tell nuts to produce test. Also a factor in high or low test levels..

[Talo]

thing is if you look at it the way most doctor's would, your levels are almost double what is considered the low end of normal range

Sure but if you double my amount I'm not even at the highest point.


And this is not about tricking a doctor into getting a script . It's about finding out what my level was at and when I did I see it at the lower end of the scale.
30-130 is a huge scale to be in the norm .

[Talo]

SHBG, is sex hormone binding globulin, one of the factors that allow free test to be high, or low
LH, leutinizing hormone, which stimulates pituitary to tell nuts to produce test. Also a factor in high or low test levels..

I should have asked before I got the blood because he only had the free .


Something I'm thing is what would it take to get myself up to the 130 mark ? 200mg, 250mg or 500mg a week ??

Prob wouldn't even need 250mg is my thought

[tiramisu]

If you let yourself recover from lifting for a few weeks and went in for another test it would likely go up pretty dramatically. Heavy lifting suppresses the free test numbers.

There's nothing wrong with you. although I have to admit I much prefer being around the 1300 mark.

You can use this handy dandy little tool to calculate your proposed blood level on different dosages and esters.

http://pct.befit4free.net/

[tiramisu]

40 mg of prop a day would put you fairly steadily @ the 136 mark.

[Talo]

Thanks for that , T.

[JifeLacket]

The first time I got tested my test values were messed up because of my training schedule, free test was almost nill, total test suffered too. I got tested after taking time off and all testosterone related levels were super high.

[ironwill]

The first time I got tested my test values were messed up because of my training schedule, free test was almost nill, total test suffered too. I got tested after taking time off and all testosterone related levels were super high.Interesting, i never knew this.....I always thought heavy trng increased test, and free test??

[JifeLacket]

I was on the verge of over training (on purpose), heavy squats/deads 2x per week, sprint work sometimes 2x per day.

From what I have read, heavy lifting creates a spike slightly above normal for a short amount of time (around 30min for T to come back to resting levels). The levels will then decline and possibly go below baseline for a bit (remember it is a negative feedback loop). More test is also being bound to the receptor post workout to repair muscle i believe too so there is less 'in the blood.'

[tiramisu]

Heavy training will crush your free test levels. Funny (ha ha) but true.

[Talo]

The time you need it the most and it's the lowest ??

[tiramisu]

http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/blog/squats-deadlifts-and-release-of-testosterone-and-growth-hormone/

In fact, for a day or 2 post-excercise, many studies show LH and testosterone decline, while cortisol increases.


... I'm checking pubmed.

[JifeLacket]

What do you expect? Negative feedback does not only occur while on cycle, you don't get infinity testosterone because you lift heavy. You get a spike and then it dips back down. If heavy lifting increased testosterone (gh,igf-1 etc as well) all the time there wouldn't be something called over training lol. When you rest you are resting and replenishing more then just your muscles.

The low blood test results are also because the testosterone is being put to work, not just floating around in the blood waiting for work.

[tiramisu]

This first study shows how heavy resistance training improves testosterone production overall.
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/87/3/982 (http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/87/3/982)


But if you are working under a high training load a decrease of >30 % in free testosterone can happen and is not of itself a significant issue.


A quick grab from an excerpt from "Sport Endicrinology"

[MrFrench]

Good thread. This is something everyone should be aware of.

[JifeLacket]

I was going to say that, after training for a while (probably 6 plus months), ones body may adapt to produce higher then average testosterone levels. (versus previous average levels of that individual). Which makes sense, as the human body is the master of adaptation which can work for or against us at times ;)