RE: Lifting with arthritis??

[JifeLacket]

When i first joined i think i posted about training with arthritis.. Anyways its osteoarthritis in my elbows only so i am trying to work around it. I think it would be smart to not max out (which is hard for my ego!) and still with higher reps till failure (20-25reps). It ****ing sucks being 19 with this shit i tell ya...

I think i remember prae saying to not do the same exercise twice in a row which is smart and i will try to switch it up. I will add isometrics for their strength/muscle fiber recruitment while minimizing joint wear.

Is anyone else battling something like this?? Any other meds i can try non prescription?

Not much the doc can do, i have already had surgery to clean the joints up and the other option was to cut off one of the bone heads near my elbow (no ****ing way!)

[JifeLacket]

I have been doing more research.. Anyone had experience with injectable pentosan and glucosamine?

Also reading up on Adequan and other injectables for race horses etc.. would love to hear from anyone with firsthand experience.

[tiramisu]

I've been scanning PubMed articles out of curiousity. There is a general consensus in the articles that strong muscles and tendons protect the joints and improve things in general.

I haven't found anything on athletic levels of strength training or appropriate programming however.

If you find some good links throw them up. I'm sure you aren't the only one with arthritis.

[tiramisu]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/art.24118/abstract;jsessionid=4230E33A2F4D611B03DA9481C58B28 52.d03t02

http://ptjournal.apta.org/cgi/content/full/88/4/427

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20390114

[JifeLacket]

Thanks, I have found good stuff that I will add soon. Basically every human review I have read has been positive (for the equine version of adequan) unless the person tried to use it to heal something it was not meant to heal. I think I will give it a go soon as there the benefits definitely outweigh the few sides (if any).

The equine version is 500mg/ml in 5ml bottles for around $45, human dose is around 125-150mg every 4-5th day for 1-2 months and then once a month maintenance i think. The shots are IM not IA (Intra-articular) so there is no tricky procedure or anything. Sounding pretty good.

[cog]

Thanks, I have found good stuff that I will add soon. Basically every human review I have read has been positive (for the equine version of adequan) unless the person tried to use it to heal something it was not meant to heal. I think I will give it a go soon as there the benefits definitely outweigh the few sides (if any).

The equine version is 500mg/ml in 5ml bottles for around $45, human dose is around 125-150mg every 4-5th day for 1-2 months and then once a month maintenance i think. The shots are IM not IA (Intra-articular) so there is no tricky procedure or anything. Sounding pretty good.

What kind of study are we talking about for human dosage?

[JifeLacket]

No study for human dosage but there is a product in europe i believe that is similar which is where this fellow got his info. I have been reading on other forums of people that have used it. I will look into study's next I almost forgot about Pubmed.

2-5mg/kg is about the dosing range in horse and dog, so the dose is lower for humans. Give or take 25mg should not hurt (ONLY in this case would I be slack on dose). Obviously it would not hurt to self-titrate first either :)

[cog]

What is this other stuff?And does any member know the reasons Adequan has not been approved for human use?

[JifeLacket]

I heard it is going through FDA approval but they are taking their sweet ass time.. They approved it for vet use to make more $$$.

I think a product called Aflutop is actually available in the US at least, but from what i have read its not quite the same thing and they prescribe a lower dose. Arteparon WAS available in Germany but they recalled it. Not sure about other parts of europe.

The reason it was recalled in Germany:

"Germany Luitpold Arteparon - Death of two patients following incompatibility reactions 7/1992"

The active ingredient in Adequan is "polysulfated glycosaminoglycan"

Stealing from another site..

Along the same lines of Adequan (PSGAG), I have been using intramuscular Sodium Hyaluronate with very good success.

PSGAG is a technical marketing term to describe what we all know as chondroitin sulphate. Chondroitin can have a sulphate ester attached at several positions on the molecule, 4 or 6 or a disulphate at 4 and 6. Hence the terms POLY (many) Sulphated and Glycosaminoglycan (which in this case is chondroitin).

Adequan is patented for a specific ratio/blend of 4 sulphate to 6 sulphate ect., to protect the exact product formulation. The position of the sulphate doesn't matter to the body however, it only matters to the lawyers.

Sodium Hyaluronate is the only nonsulphated glycosaminoglycan, (glucosamine is also in the glycosaminoglycan family). Sodium Hyaluronate is the sodium salt of hyaluronic acid, the only rate limiting chemical that makes up the proteoglycan molecule that provides the cushoning effects of synovial fluid amoung other aspects of cartilage protection. SH provides the back bone to which the other molecules attach (proteins, chondroitn, glucosamine etc)

Both PSGAG and SH are excellent products, both are water based solutions so IM injection is easy and generally pain free. The final thing that both of these product have in common is that they are not available systemically (read IM administration) for humans (WTF)!!! Freaking horses and dogs have better access to injectable joint supplementation than humans do. We have to wait to see and Orthopod and at best he/she might inject SH into the joint capsule possibly with cortisone! This needs to change!

[JonnyO]

I've got it bad in one of my shoulders and its affected the way I train big time. I've been told I have about 10-15 years tops before a complete replacement.

I have found that GH eased some of the general and training pain. Im not sure how it does but I found it helped me.

I used SH, Sodium Hyaluronate years back, when one of the popular UGL's was making it, and I found it worked awesome, I could finally lift heavy on all my presses....where without it all shoulder pressing it out of question, maybe super light here and there. But it was awesome.

[JifeLacket]

Yea man its rough.. being 19 (shit i was in grade 9 when i had surgery) they obviously don't want to do a replacement, and I don't either.

I might as well give them both a shot (no pun intended), really nothing to lose and everything to gain. My elbows feel OKAY as long as I don't max out so I guess sticking to higher reps is what I have to do. Bench is for sure the worst, pulling exercises are probably the best because the joint isn't being loaded per say.

Now to find some..

[cog]

I've got it bad in one of my shoulders and its affected the way I train big time. I've been told I have about 10-15 years tops before a complete replacement.

I have found that GH eased some of the general and training pain. Im not sure how it does but I found it helped me.

I used SH, Sodium Hyaluronate years back, when one of the popular UGL's was making it, and I found it worked awesome, I could finally lift heavy on all my presses....where without it all shoulder pressing it out of question, maybe super light here and there. But it was awesome.

Were there concerns about continuing that particular therapy?

[macka]

Were there concerns about continuing that particular therapy?

no I have since moved onto synvisc, which is the HA but covered in my drug plan. My doc is cool and we have long talks about this, and I convinced him to run a full protocol on me via IM injects. I showed him I could self inject and he let me run with it. My insurance covers this so its reasonable. All the lit my doc researched didn't show any long term sides doing this. The way he read the few peoblems were from improper injects and dirty inject sites.

[JifeLacket]

no I have since moved onto synvisc, which is the HA but covered in my drug plan. My doc is cool and we have long talks about this, and I convinced him to run a full protocol on me via IM injects. I showed him I could self inject and he let me run with it. My insurance covers this so its reasonable. All the lit my doc researched didn't show any long term sides doing this. The way he read the few peoblems were from improper injects and dirty inject sites.

Amazing, i'll talk to my doc.

[JonnyO]

Were there concerns about continuing that particular therapy?


None at all, I just couldnt get any more because the lab discontinued it. I havent tried my doctor though I should.