Muscle Memory is Real!

[Solo59]

See "Muscles Remember Past Glory" (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/62297/title/Muscles_remember_past_glory) on Science News.

Solo

[Kilburn]

it sure seems real. if im off and barely working out. then i start juicin it and hitting the gym hard, it seems like a get back to my old size and then some in like 2 weeks. no joke.

[vakker]

ever thing the juice has something to do with that? and I think it more refers to large amounts of mass rather than the 5lbs of water weight you gain in those 2 weeks.

[#8]

Basically just re-iterating something everyone who has every worked out hard already knew. Good to see the scientific community performing some cool and useful studies that dont involve introducing some new cholesterol reducing drug.

Good on ya scientists!

[Krozone]

Great article Solo. Aside from the validity of the contents, it's also a means to go about without others suspecting our use. Do to of course the size we're able to pack on VERY quickly. Muscle memory of course :)

[Andre Gregoire]

Interesting.

[Delt King]

I've seen some amazing transformations happen with muscle memory, even on calorie restricted diets. This is the only time i'll venture to say one can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

[The Brick]

Muscle memory is definitely real.

That always when you see the craziest transformations.

When someone who has been bodybuilding for a long period of time takes time off and let them self go, then once then get back into it hard they seem to transform in a matter of a couple months.

[cog]

It's valid for X amount of time.Strength in some cases as well.

[monkey]

One thing that should be kept in mind...

When you first started lifting or perhaps lifted for a couple years.. it perhaps took you
1 year to gain 5 pounds (just a random number for illustration) or 10 weeks to loose 10 pounds..

5 years later, your way smarter, train better, eat better.. basically know how to buildi muscle to a certain extend... at this point its harder to build muscle since your bigger...

If then the day comes where you let yourself go. Suddenly its a lot easier to build muscle.. cuz your starting at a weight that is way below your MAX weight. yet you have the experience and knowledge required to build..

Accounts for a lot of those transformations... ignoring potential muscle memory and juice of course.

[ironwill]

I've seen some amazing transformations happen with muscle memory, even on calorie restricted diets. This is the only time i'll venture to say one can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

lol

[batfink0]

I couldn't agree more. I had an injury which forced me off most everything as far as working out... I then took advantage of that time and extended my off time to a full year and a half to create a child (wanted my system to be free and clear of any chance of AAS). 20 months later I got back on the workouts, and it almost blew my mind how fast I got back to my hardened self. Weight gains seem 100 times easier as well. If I pound for pound protein, I can gain weight/mass like there is no tomorrow.

Couldn't do that before AAS.

:)

[Prisoner#22]

I've seen some amazing transformations happen with muscle memory, even on calorie restricted diets. This is the only time i'll venture to say one can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

Really? then obviously you have never sauced it yet eh?

[steve_d]

I've seen some amazing transformations happen with muscle memory, even on calorie restricted diets. This is the only time i'll venture to say one can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.


Really? then obviously you have never sauced it yet eh?

oh boy! another thread like this begins!

[ironwill]

i repeat.....lol

[JifeLacket]

One thing that should be kept in mind...

When you first started lifting or perhaps lifted for a couple years.. it perhaps took you
1 year to gain 5 pounds (just a random number for illustration) or 10 weeks to loose 10 pounds..

5 years later, your way smarter, train better, eat better.. basically know how to buildi muscle to a certain extend... at this point its harder to build muscle since your bigger...

If then the day comes where you let yourself go. Suddenly its a lot easier to build muscle.. cuz your starting at a weight that is way below your MAX weight. yet you have the experience and knowledge required to build..

Accounts for a lot of those transformations... ignoring potential muscle memory and juice of course.

x 10000000

This is why it takes so long to become elite at ANYTHING, you are constantly learning but once you get it down to a science it comes that much faster (no homo).

[nitrous]

of course muscle memory is real this is nothing new. you work out and you gain new muscle fibers after awhile. stop working out and the glycogen stores and water leave the muscle causing them to lose size. you go to work again you have the muscle fibers from before still obviously you will bounce back quickly all that needs to do is for them to fill up with glycogen and water that isn't going to take that long

[Andre Gregoire]

of course muscle memory is real this is nothing new. you work out and you gain new muscle fibers after awhile. stop working out and the glycogen stores and water leave the muscle causing them to lose size. you go to work again you have the muscle fibers from before still obviously you will bounce back quickly all that needs to do is for them to fill up with glycogen and water that isn't going to take that long

As far as I know hyperplasia (the creation of new muscle cells) has never been proven in humans. Am I missing something here?

[nitrous]

As far as I know hyperplasia (the creation of new muscle cells) has never been proven in humans. Am I missing something here?

proof or not i'd say it is well established as being true

[Andre Gregoire]

proof or not i'd say it is well established as being true

Now you have my interest peaked. What do you mean by well established? Please tell me more. I am genuinely interested in curious of how we can accomplish this.

[O-Train]

proof or not i'd say it is well established as being true

You mean like Jesus?

I'm not sure if hyperplasia has been proven in humans (I think it has been but not sure). The way it's been explained to me involves large muscle fibers splitting to create two muscle fibers.

[nitrous]

You mean like Jesus?

I'm not sure if hyperplasia has been proven in humans (I think it has been but not sure). The way it's been explained to me involves large muscle fibers splitting to create two muscle fibers.

lol the invisible man in the sky is not well established as being true

[nitrous]

Now you have my interest peaked. What do you mean by well established? Please tell me more. I am genuinely interested in curious of how we can accomplish this.

accomplishing it there have been many theories on this. Regarding which works best is tough to measure as i dont know if there is any way to measure it.

Dr. Scott Connelly references new muscle fibers as being related to muscle memory in his insulin video that was posted in here and many others have talked about igf-1lr3 and GH related to creating new muscle fibers but someone more knowledgeable on this topic would have to jump in here

[Solo59]

Now you have my interest peaked. What do you mean by well established? Please tell me more. I am genuinely interested in curious of how we can accomplish this.

Did you read the title entry of this thread?;)

See "Muscles Remember Past Glory" (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/62297/title/Muscles_remember_past_glory) on Science News.

Solo

[Andre Gregoire]

Did you read the title entry of this thread?;)

See "Muscles Remember Past Glory" (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/62297/title/Muscles_remember_past_glory) on Science News.

Solo

Yeah I did. It's about satellite cell proliferation which is great but very different from hyperplasia. :ne

[a_ahmed]

Last year I was pretty muscular then out of no where I shut down so bad and lost all my mass... and all i was left with was skinny fat :(... then... i did a cycle of halodrol and within 3.5 weeks of being on it i gained everything back and then some very very rapidly and i was leaner. I am sure muscle memory had something to do with the fact that i gained so much in such a short time other than it being a ph/aas as I have yet to hear of someone gaining 15lbs of lbm in 3 weeks i lost 5lbs once i got off so maybe 5lbs was water but its a dry compound none the less it was very rapid and mirror said the full story as i also lost noticabely fat... oh and i was 15lbs+ by week 2 and getting leaner. If I did a 6 week cycle who knows?

Also this year I lost alot of mass due to low test/another bad shutdown (that's when i went to endo) and I am on trt for a month, I'm gradually gaining back my lbm fairly rapidly. Despite not working out in like 6 months or so consistently due to health issues back and forth. It's hard sometimes but voila...

The real effect of muscle memory ive felt was when i was a bit younger and doing martial arts.. i could be off for 2 months and within 2-3 weeks im back to what i was very rapidly and kicking ass lol. Just by training within that period of time I would regain strength/speed and start leaning out/cardio improving.

[Toxic411]

would be nice if its real, been off the gym for a good 6 months due to a new career, finally in my new location and back at the gym, just taking it easy and doing light weight high reps, dressing warm, stretching trying to avoid injuries, been a couple weeks now and as the week went by into the second week Im not as sore and added a extra set to everything and Im on a roll to get back up where I was.
now
5'11
205lb
before
"
213

Seems as soon as I get back into it I bloat up right away, only supps I usually take is ISOflex and super pump,Im staying away from the super pump this time, I think that's whats bloating me up.

last cycle was anavar, I know this is off topic and sorry for stealing the form but how long does test e last for? i think its about a year old.

[Solo59]

would be nice if its real, been off the gym for a good 6 months due to a new career, finally in my new location and back at the gym, just taking it easy and doing light weight high reps, dressing warm, stretching trying to avoid injuries, been a couple weeks now and as the week went by into the second week Im not as sore and added a extra set to everything and Im on a roll to get back up where I was.
now
5'11
205lb
before
"
213

Seems as soon as I get back into it I bloat up right away, only supps I usually take is ISOflex and super pump,Im staying away from the super pump this time, I think that's whats bloating me up.

last cycle was anavar, I know this is off topic and sorry for stealing the form but how long does test e last for? i think its about a year old.

Test e should stay in your system for about five weeks. It may last longer, but not in any significant amounts. Probably would show up on a steroid blood test, however.

Solo

[Toxic411]

sorry for not being clear, A buddy of mine has test e in a bottle not in his system lol wondering how long the shelf life is good for

toxic

[theboss]

sorry for not being clear, A buddy of mine has test e in a bottle not in his system lol wondering how long the shelf life is good for

toxic

whats the expiry say?

[Toxic411]

Nov/10

[Nattygraham]

Thought that muscle memory was common knowledge? AAS causes new satellite cells and nuclei to be formed in the muscle, so if someone stops working out, because of this muscles will respond faster than someone who hasnt taken gear.

[cog]

Any studies?You don't have to have used gear and memory can still be good.

[Nattygraham]

Any studies?You don't have to have used gear and memory can still be good.

From anabolics 11 by llewellyn

page 95

"Steroids do permanently alter the physiology of your muscles by adding more cellular nuclei. With higher cellular nuclei content, each muscle can manage its volume more efficiently, which allows more rapid expansion. Even after long absence from AAS and training the nuclei remain. This may provide a "muscle memory" effect"

Study used to come to these conclusions via the bibliography

"Anabolic steroids withdrawal in strength trained athletes: how does it affect skeletal muscle? "anders Erikson And Lars-Eric Thornell. American physiological. The Integrative Biology of Exercise"

[cog]

Not detailed enough for me.The time factor...you only get so much time.And age matters,IMO.