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[1488]

While advice from top bbers and powerlifters is a great thingin a way, i gotta ask - how applicable is that to the average lifter? The average lifter doesnt have the genetic potential anywhere near an elite lifter... Seems to me that an average hard-gainer like me might get better advice from a fellow hard-gainer who's just done alot of research.

As ectomorphic as i am, i dont think my training, dieting, or cycling patterns relate to those with genetic mesomorphosis.

Any thoughts?

[Aaron_37]

Here's a good thought from one average joe to another. There's no such thing as a hard gainer... there's those who gain, and those who complain. If you aren't gaining, eat more. If you can't eat more, drink more. I used to be of a similar philosophy, that was until I discovered how you need to properly eat to grow. I guarantee that you're either doing too much cardio or plain jane not eating enough. In my experience, many ectomorphs simultaneously complain about being hardgainers while being scared to do what they think is overeating.

Try one of the following:
PB - all day, every day
Eggs - A dozen whole a day
Milk - Gallon or half gallon of whole (3.25%) milk every day.

All three of these are proven methods to gain quick weight, milk being the easiest, and PB being the tastiest and cheapest.

If you're sitting there thinking to yourself "OMG I'd get so fat doing that" then maybe you need a change of mentality with respect to bulking. For so-called hard gainers, those three foods are the easiest way to pack on serious mass quickly.

[Shortdave]

18% coffee cream is better than milk.

33% whipping cream is better than coffee cream.

[LondonMuscle]

While advice from top bbers and powerlifters is a great thingin a way, i gotta ask - how applicable is that to the average lifter? The average lifter doesnt have the genetic potential anywhere near an elite lifter... Seems to me that an average hard-gainer like me might get better advice from a fellow hard-gainer who's just done alot of research.

As ectomorphic as i am, i dont think my training, dieting, or cycling patterns relate to those with genetic mesomorphosis.

Any thoughts?


Although I understand the spirit of your question 1488 I believe that sometimes it is false to assume that just because someone has achieved high level in a sport that they got there via their superior genetics, many of us just did it through hard work and proper application of the knowledge we've attained

if a person advocating advice can only draw upon their personal experience then I think that their ability to help others achieve their goals is severely limited to only what has worked for them, but if one becomes properly educated about the fundamentals of training and diet they should be able to apply those principals to any individual and account for any lack of genetics one may have... although no amount of knowledge can account for a lack of proper work ethic!

in my experience most of the info you get on this forum for various individuals isnt coming from genetic freaks and is likely applicable to the vast majority of lifters out there

the caveat i would express about trying to limit the advice you receive to the average gym goer is that they are average for a reason and its likely more than just the result of average genetics...

[1488]

Hard work and consistency is obviously paramount, but i think the issue of genetic potential is being over-looked. For example, i know a chick who doesnt lift who has about 22" calves that are ripped. If she were XY instead of XX, she'd naturally be on a level i could not attain with any amount of rigorous training.

Anyone who attains a high level of success in bodybuilding or powerlifting MUST have above average genetic potential. Now, with their experience, their advice is valuable, but i dont believe it applies all that well to those without the same genetic tendency towards muscularity.

Im not saying this section of threads is of no use, im just saying that i keep seeing advice from elite lifters that cant possibly translate equally to people without the same genetic edge that these 'elites' inevitably have.

[O-Train]

Hard work and consistency is obviously paramount, but i think the issue of genetic potential is being over-looked. For example, i know a chick who doesnt lift who has about 22" calves that are ripped. If she were XY instead of XX, she'd naturally be on a level i could not attain with any amount of rigorous training.

Anyone who attains a high level of success in bodybuilding or powerlifting MUST have above average genetic potential. Now, with their experience, their advice is valuable, but i dont believe it applies all that well to those without the same genetic tendency towards muscularity.

Im not saying this section of threads is of no use, im just saying that i keep seeing advice from elite lifters that cant possibly translate equally to people without the same genetic edge that these 'elites' inevitably have.

That would be like putting Dorian Yates calves on a woman.

If you have questions and can't find the answers that you're looking for just start a new thread. There are all types of lifters here with all levels of experience, drug use, equipment use and genetic diversity.

[1488]

That would be like putting Dorian Yates calves on a woman.

If you have questions and can't find the answers that you're looking for just start a new thread. There are all types of lifters here with all levels of experience, drug use, equipment use and genetic diversity.

Ya Im looking back on that quote of mine on 22" calves on a chick and realize that it was kind of a ridiculous exaggeration to try to prove a point. I just believe that the role of genetic influence is hugely underrated in 99% of the posts i read. Heh... this chick's calves gotta be 18" though!!

[Andre Gregoire]

I agree with LM. Genetic freaks don't post on forums or read books they just grow. Why do you think you don't see many pro's asking people to review their training strategy.

I have shitty genetics but I have been at this for 17yrs so after doing things right for a while and being patient I started having a decent physique. Now people tell me I have good genetics? Wtf?

I started at 125lbs.

[1488]

I agree with LM. Genetic freaks don't post on forums or read books they just grow. Why do you think you don't see many pro's asking people to review their training strategy.

I have shitty genetics but I have been at this for 17yrs so after doing things right for a while and being patient I started having a decent physique. Now people tell me I have good genetics? Wtf?

I started at 125lbs.

Ya if you train hard, diet right, with consistency, and have no, say, hormonal problems, youre probably gonna do okay. But, there are guys out there with little discpline in this regard who gain in a major way... I admit, this might be a thread where im just venting. Even so...