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Canadian Bodybuilding
15-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Rating: (1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest)
Strength-4
Weight Gain-4
Fat Loss-4
Side Effects-2
Keep Gains--4

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!! Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc’s but here is how you can do it in units on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Differences Between Kits:
The main difference between kits is how many iu’s they make when reconstituted. For example, Serostim re-constitutes to make 126iu, while a Saizen kit.... also made by Serono.... makes up 15iu. Another of their kits makes 54iu. It better be way cheaper than a Serostim kit! Humatrope is fine, but costs too much. The other main concern would be fakes; Lilly is the most often faked one. Some older GH kits do not have holograms on them and are legit, but they are usually only less than 100 dollars than new GH kits with holograms, and I would rather be assured of the hologram and legitimacy of the kit. Best buy currently is Serostim 126 iu kits. These are made for people with wasting diseases like AIDs. Many of these patients got infected because they are IV drug addicts..........they sell the Serostim on the street for drug money.


Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that’s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine , glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass.

Demonwolf
20-04-2008, 02:55 PM
HGH causes HYPERglycemia and hyperinsulemia by perpetuating insulin resistance.

and the term is Acromegaly, not Aromeglia.

if the author can't get that right,then ya.

steve1130
11-03-2009, 11:13 PM
Great information here, I want to get going on this!!!

gustavo77
11-03-2009, 11:53 PM
Great information here, I want to get going on this!!!

Please watch how you word your sentences, people may think that you are fishing for a source. And IF that's the case, it is against the law and the rules of this board...you will be banned.

canadianmuscle0803
12-03-2009, 05:16 AM
why shouldn't Gh be injected into the muscle? thats how I do it.

natenator
12-03-2009, 08:27 AM
why shouldn't Gh be injected into the muscle? thats how I do it.
I've really do not think there is any benefit over sub-q. I've not found anything that specifically implies IM administration to be superior to sub-q.

kawikaratekid
12-03-2009, 09:12 AM
Has anyone tried GH on it's own? If so, what were the results like?

BigDane
12-03-2009, 02:25 PM
I haven't tried it personally but from what I've read it depends on the dose:

2-4iu/ed you'll see increased fat loss, vascularity and a possible sense of well-being

6-10iu/ed for muscle gain.

Works well on its own but benefits will be more pronounced if used in conjunction with AAS.

As always, diet it key too.

Praetorian
12-03-2009, 03:55 PM
Some corrections from the article as well as misconceptions.

1. GH on its will help with lipolysis...ie not muscle gain
2. You do not need insulin with GH usage...it is only necessary if gains have halted and mostly due to insulin resistance
3. You do not need T3 with GH and GH does NOT lower thyroid in the body. GH increases the conversion rate of T4 to T3 thus an overall effect is more T3 and less T4
4. GH will not cause hypoglycemia...you can get somewhat of a lowered blood glucose level which is due to the IGF-1 mitigated by the liver from the GH...very slight and wont cause you to go hypo
5. For mass gains GH works best at dosages from 8-10iu minimum as well as high androgens and slin if necessary.
6. GH works best when run for longer cycles....ie months not weeks.
7. You can inject GH IM or sub Q doesnt matter
8. GH will not burn fat at the injection site..this is pure BS if it were true my abs would be ripped year round
9. For dieting 2-4iu is fine...more is not better

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littleguy
05-04-2010, 12:08 AM
Hi everyone,

I found your forum during some research into HGH (somatropin).

Im curious if the gh products being used in bodybuilding are similar to or the same as the products being advertised online as pills and supplements for anti-aging and the like. products such as "Secratatropin HGH", "Lifessence HGH+", "GHR 15 " and so on...

I have also found that real somatropin, or HGH is a synthetic byproduct and therefor could not be packed into a pill and sold as a homeopathic type remidy or supplement. Or am i wrong? are the products being used in bodyduilding for enhancement all pharmacutical grade?

Praetorian
05-04-2010, 10:18 AM
Hi everyone,

I found your forum during some research into HGH (somatropin).

Im curious if the gh products being used in bodybuilding are similar to or the same as the products being advertised online as pills and supplements for anti-aging and the like. products such as "Secratatropin HGH", "Lifessence HGH+", "GHR 15 " and so on...

I have also found that real somatropin, or HGH is a synthetic byproduct and therefor could not be packed into a pill and sold as a homeopathic type remidy or supplement. Or am i wrong? are the products being used in bodyduilding for enhancement all pharmacutical grade?

If you are looking for proven results use real injectable HGH.
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BAM
05-04-2010, 01:23 PM
If you are looking for proven results use real injectable HGH.
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and even then its a crapshoot sometimes that its the real deal 191

Retics
05-04-2010, 03:27 PM
is it safe to use 8-10 iu a day? i thought most users were in the 2-4 iu range,, 10 iu thats a kit every 10 days,, I would go broke haha

Praetorian
05-04-2010, 06:50 PM
is it safe to use 8-10 iu a day? i thought most users were in the 2-4 iu range,, 10 iu thats a kit every 10 days,, I would go broke haha

Yes it is safe but very expensive and you wouldnt do that much unless you were an advanced competitive BB...you would also require high androgens to make it effective.
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HGHAlvin
23-02-2011, 04:39 AM
HGH is responsible for the growth of human beings. It is a naturally occurring chemical, produced in the pituitary gland within the brain. As its name suggests - the hormone is responsible for many aspects related to growth, however if we were to isolate just one of these - the most prominent feature would increasing height.

juced_porkchop
25-02-2011, 04:39 PM
I feel Igf-1lr3 is much better for putting on mass and alot less cost and less time needed to be on it.

just my 0.2

juced_porkchop
25-02-2011, 04:40 PM
HGH is responsible for the growth of human beings. It is a naturally occurring chemical, produced in the pituitary gland within the brain. As its name suggests - the hormone is responsible for many aspects related to growth, however if we were to isolate just one of these - the most prominent feature would increasing height.

during teens maybe (very small time line) but over all its rebuilding cells. I think this is the main spot

juced_porkchop
25-02-2011, 04:43 PM
is it safe to use 8-10 iu a day? i thought most users were in the 2-4 iu range,, 10 iu thats a kit every 10 days,, I would go broke haha

another reez i Rec igf-1lr3 over it.

6-10wk cycles of 30-50mcg ed to see nice effects as apposed to 6-12 months of hgh and ALOT more cost.
id say 5iu ed is a decent spot. still pricy though.

cog
25-02-2011, 08:55 PM
another reez i Rec igf-1lr3 over it.

6-10wk cycles of 30-50mcg ed to see nice effects as apposed to 6-12 months of hgh and ALOT more cost.
id say 5iu ed is a decent spot. still pricy though.

And at what times are you using it?

Praetorian
26-02-2011, 08:54 AM
IGF LR3 on its own will give you little if any growth at all...you cannot compare it to the effects of HGH...there is a reason the Pros use substantially more GH year round than IGF1 LR3. Also 6-10 week cycle of IGF is too long and 30-50mcg is much too high a dose per day...your receptors will have downgraded significantly using that dosage especially after 4 weeks and you are wasting your IGF and money.
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Freedom Patriot
09-06-2011, 03:35 AM
Hello. I am having trouble with my Achilles Tendon in my foot. I somehow injured it running 5 KM runs. (Something which I was not previously well conditioned for. Mind you I was in decent shape, but not used to long distance running. I am in my mid 30's.) I have tried not running for a period of over 14 months and doing calf raises during that time to heal the injury. It seemed to improve a fair bit, but when I went on a recent run it once again swelled up giving me pain. What can I do to permanently heal this injury so that I can run again without swelling or pain?

Is Human Growth Hormone an option? If injected into the ankle area would it help with the healing process? Can a Doctor prescribe it? Thank you for your response in advance.

Praetorian
09-06-2011, 11:35 AM
We are talking real pharm HGH here not the bogus pills or liquid crap sold online as a supplement.
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shainesboostin
20-10-2011, 07:36 PM
Lowered Insulin Levels? I thought it did the opposite? By causing insulin resistance...

Andre Gregoire
20-10-2011, 08:49 PM
Lowered Insulin Levels? I thought it did the opposite? By causing insulin resistance...

Read the whole thread, at least past the first post, the second post calls the poster out for missing that point, post #9 Prae says the same thing.

Dieterp
26-11-2011, 12:37 AM
Hello I just want to say ive found this thread to be very informative. Anyways a little about myself, im 26 and I've been going to the gym on and off for 9 years now. Im 6'3'' 227 lbs. Ive been fluctuating from 222 lbs to 240 throughout the years. Ive been only ever using creatines, N.O, Glutamines, and proteins. My diet has consisted of Mostly Chicken,Broccoli and brown rice, omegas and vitamins. Im really not satisfied with the results after all these years. Im now looking at other alternatives like HGH plus stacking. From reading this thread I would like to stack with a steroid if at all possible. I'm willing to goto a doctor and get all the blood work done necessary to ensure I don't harm myself. And keep up with checkups. Any help from someone whos very experienced would be greatly appreciated, Maybe even email me if you don't want to create an extremely long post.

Praetorian
26-11-2011, 12:44 AM
Your diet is your biggest problem...you need to eat much more saturated fat and probably less rice. Your hormones such as hgh and testosterone and dhea most likely are low due to your diet. Add red meat, whole eggs, whole milk, wild salmon, extra virgin olive oil, fish oil, nuts, nut butters, avoid sugar, junk food, trans fats, and any wheat (including whole grains)...use wild rice and sweet potato for starches, eat plenty of vegetables and fruit such as berries, apples, peaches, plums, grapefruits etc.
The last thing you need at this point is gh.
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cog
26-11-2011, 07:04 AM
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MuSuLPhReAk
26-11-2011, 09:59 AM
Hello I just want to say ive found this thread to be very informative. Anyways a little about myself, im 26 and I've been going to the gym on and off for 9 years now. Im 6'3'' 227 lbs. Ive been fluctuating from 222 lbs to 240 throughout the years. Ive been only ever using creatines, N.O, Glutamines, and proteins. My diet has consisted of Mostly Chicken,Broccoli and brown rice, omegas and vitamins. Im really not satisfied with the results after all these years. Im now looking at other alternatives like HGH plus stacking. From reading this thread I would like to stack with a steroid if at all possible. I'm willing to goto a doctor and get all the blood work done necessary to ensure I don't harm myself. And keep up with checkups. Any help from someone whos very experienced would be greatly appreciated, Maybe even email me if you don't want to create an extremely long post.

Edited your post a bit. Take a moment to read this thread
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/showthread.php?6248-Cbb-Rules

Dieterp
26-11-2011, 05:41 PM
Well I do eat allot of almonds, I drink pasteurized egg whites. I eat spinach as well. I guess I'll just drop the brown rice and keep at it. I always thought I needed to avoid red meats. But I guess I'll go pick up steak as well as chicken. Plus I never drink pop. I only consume water and 1% milk. I very rarely drink alcohol. Thanks for your input, but why not recommend GH?

Praetorian
27-11-2011, 04:43 PM
Well I do eat allot of almonds, I drink pasteurized egg whites. I eat spinach as well. I guess I'll just drop the brown rice and keep at it. I always thought I needed to avoid red meats. But I guess I'll go pick up steak as well as chicken. Plus I never drink pop. I only consume water and 1% milk. I very rarely drink alcohol. Thanks for your input, but why not recommend GH?

For starters you need to learn to walk before you consider sprinting...your diet is quite lacking to say the least and at 6'2 227lbs you have tonnes of room to grow prior to using any aas or gh for that matter. What this tells me is your training is lacking as well...if you improved both your training and nutrition you would probably make some really significant gains. The other issue is this as an analogy...you want to add high octane racing fuel to a car with, bald tires, burning oil, sagging suspension, clogged fuel injectors etc...and what do you hope to gain from this? maybe an improvement in 0-6o mph by 1/10 of a second? Why not do an engine rebuild, change the oil, put some new low profile high performance tires on, replace the injectors, and add some Eibach springs and struts with an anti roll kit...then add the high octane fuel...the results you will see then will be very impressive.
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irishguy
18-09-2012, 07:22 PM
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Hosehead
18-09-2012, 07:50 PM
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China. Read the rules , narc.

TT Eric
19-09-2012, 11:02 AM
I remember the first time I heard about HGH it was in 1984, one of my friend at school came up with ''I know a product that you can take 30 lbs in 6 weeks, you eat all the time, you don't poop anymore for 6 weeks and you even need to get up in the night to eat steaks, but it's expensive'' LOL.

Eric

Phoenixjt
10-07-2013, 03:10 AM
i am planning to inform myself on 2 kits of hgh and after a cycle of tren e im 30yrs 220lbs with bmi 30+ i think. i want to cut and buld muscle.... this is a great thread, but i am unsure if i should use 2 kits or 3 and if each kit actually last for 1 month use? and would 5 iu ed split in 2 be good enough?

Madquaker
16-12-2014, 07:44 PM
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Praetorian
18-12-2014, 02:49 PM
HGH works better if you use for longer periods ie months not weeks. Also the amount you sue depends on your goals..for fat loss 2-3iu ED works well however to build muscle 4-6iu per would be better. Thus the amount will be based on your daily dosage. HGH also works much better if used every day ED not 5 on and 2 off. HGH cause hyperplasia ie increased muscle cells but they are immature satellite cells which require androgens for maturation. Thus running HGH without high androgens is not efficient.

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