Novodex XT Help please!!!

[Ehrhoff]

Hey guys. First post :greet

I was hoping someone could tell me how long I should wait after my 8 weeks of use before taking Novodex xt again? It's been a week off so far. I have about 4 weeks left of it and was thinking about finishing it off now. Is one week enough time? Thanks for your help.


I am also wondering if they have changed the formula at all? The stuff I have now is the original Novodex XT. I want to get some more but only if it is the same formula. I know there was some controversy about this stuff , herd they may take some of the ingredients out, or discontinuing it all together??? For some reason this stuff works for me. I put on 40 pounds onto my bench press in 8 weeks!!!! Same thing a year ago when I tried it for the first time ( 30 pounds that time). I am hoping someone actually knows the answer to this

[physique]

u wont find the old formula with the 6-oxo in it anymore.
the new formula is all there is now. but i have lots of customers who still say it works.

4 weeks off is what most people do, before going back on for another 8 weeks.

[Ehrhoff]

u wont find the old formula with the 6-oxo in it anymore.
the new formula is all there is now. but i have lots of customers who still say it works.

4 weeks off is what most people do, before going back on for another 8 weeks.

Thanks man. Is there anything new out there that rivals the old formula?

[Praetorian]

Its useless without 6-oxo save your money.
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[Ehrhoff]

Its useless without 6-oxo save your money.
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How long ago did they take it out?

[Praetorian]

How long ago did they take it out?

Been over a year now.
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[Ehrhoff]

Been over a year now.
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Ok so if the stuff I already have is the old stuff, it will say 6-oxo in the list of ingredients? I am looking at my old bottle and I don't see 6-oxo in the list. Maybe the stuff I had was the new formula. I just want whatever formula I already had. It was around a year ago that I ordered my last stuff. I just ordered 4 bottles online and I want to make sure it's the stuff that worked for me before.

[Praetorian]

Anything you have ordered within the last year wont have 6oxo...you would have had to order it approx 18 months ago or so...it was banned in early 2009.
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[shane90]

I require whatever formula I already had. It was around a year ago that I ordered my last stuff. I ordered 4 bottles online and I require to make definite it is the stuff that worked for me before.

[Ehrhoff]

I phoned Gaspari myself today. They said the formula has not changed at all, but has been discontinued.

[physique]

Anything you have ordered within the last year wont have 6oxo...you would have had to order it approx 18 months ago or so...it was banned in early 2009.
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not entirely true. canada it was banned. but if u imported it from the USA like some stores due u could of still got it with 6-oxo in it. that was a year ago.

posted by Erhoff
I phoned Gaspari myself today. They said the formula has not changed at all, but has been discontinued.

you can still get the new formula. u just have to know where to look. but like u have posted Gaspari has discountinued it, so whats on the market right now is all there will be. Once its gone, its Gone.

If u need some i still have some, pm me if ya want any.

[Praetorian]

not entirely true. canada it was banned. but if u imported it from the USA like some stores due u could of still got it with 6-oxo in it. that was a year ago.

posted by Erhoff

you can still get the new formula. u just have to know where to look. but like u have posted Gaspari has discountinued it, so whats on the market right now is all there will be. Once its gone, its Gone.

If u need some i still have some, pm me if ya want any.

It was banned at the same time in the US pending the outcome of the trial with Patrick Arnold. The products that hads it as an ingredient had to remove it. If you were able get products with it that was old stock.
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[physique]

It was banned at the same time in the US pending the outcome of the trial with Patrick Arnold. The products that hads it as an ingredient had to remove it. If you were able get products with it that was old stock.
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exactly my point.
canada banned it long before it was banned in the united states.

really we are fighting over nothing. u dislike the product (but u are on the other side of the fence, so of course nothing will work as good as that stuff will)

where as customers have felt something from the product in its current state.

too each their own in the end

[Praetorian]

exactly my point.
canada banned it long before it was banned in the united states.

really we are fighting over nothing. u dislike the product (but u are on the other side of the fence, so of course nothing will work as good as that stuff will)

where as customers have felt something from the product in its current state.

too each their own in the end

Hmm miscommunication somewhere here...we are not fighting...we are discussing...and I actually do think the original product was great and a good buy...the only problem is that now its still being sold with the same promises but will not deliver.
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[Ehrhoff]

Hmm miscommunication somewhere here...we are not fighting...we are discussing...and I actually do think the original product was great and a good buy...the only problem is that now its still being sold with the same promises but will not deliver.
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You are saying the stuff available now does nothing?

[Praetorian]

You are saying the stuff available now does nothing?

The stuff now does not contain 6oxo thus it will not work like it used to....which was very similar to current AI's....the effects would be very minimal if anything at all.
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[physique]

You are saying the stuff available now does nothing?

in your original post u say the stuff worked. u gained 40lb on your bench in 8weeks.

so obviously for u this product has done wonders.

stay off for 3 more weeks, then run it again for another 8 weeks.
and post your results up for us too see

[Ehrhoff]

in your original post u say the stuff worked. u gained 40lb on your bench in 8weeks.

so obviously for u this product has done wonders.

stay off for 3 more weeks, then run it again for another 8 weeks.
and post your results up for us too see

Ok. I will try to figuire out how to get soime pics up.

Ya It did work for me. That's why I am surprised to hear different from others. Maybe It just works better for certain people. It wasn't the placebo effect for me. No way. I got more out of this stuff than creatine.

[Ehrhoff]

My before pics ( two weeks after my last bottle of Novodex). I took them a few days apart. I will add the after pics in a couple months.


I guess I will take another after I take my next month of it. I went from 150 lbs to 166lbs, and put on 40 pounds onto my bench press( like i said earlier). Sorry for the crappy pics. Got frustrated trying to get one without blur. Lol.

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[Praetorian]

in your original post u say the stuff worked. u gained 40lb on your bench in 8weeks.

so obviously for u this product has done wonders.

stay off for 3 more weeks, then run it again for another 8 weeks.
and post your results up for us too see

Sorry 40lbs on someones bench from Novedex...with or without 6oxo I dont think so...maybe from learning how to bench correctly yes...but not 6oxo. Anecdotal evidence is easily misinterpreted....its called the training effect combined with food, rest etc...to attribute your gains to 6oxo alone is naive at best.
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[physique]

Sorry 40lbs on someones bench from Novedex...with or without 6oxo I dont think so...maybe from learning how to bench correctly yes...but not 6oxo. Anecdotal evidence is easily misinterpreted....its called the training effect combined with food, rest etc...to attribute your gains to 6oxo alone is naive at best.
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did i say it was from the product alone? nope dont think so.did he say that? nope!
it obvious its from him training harder and maybe even eating better, who knows as he hasnt posted a diet. he also doenst give us his training history.
i have personally seen beginners gain alot more then that on certain exercises without them taking anything. not even eating good.

u keep bringing up 6oxo too. why? we have already established that he has the new version.

i think u think i am pushing the product on him, just to make a sale.and u are combating me every step. well P, i dont supply him. and i dont work that way.

i see it like this, the guy says the stuff works for him, and he is asking how long to stay off the product before he goes on again. thats it.

no need to get into all the technical hooplaw that surounds this product. if he was asking about creatine would we have the same answers as we do concerning this product?

[Praetorian]

in your original post u say the stuff worked. u gained 40lb on your bench in 8weeks.

so obviously for u this product has done wonders.



This is what you posted...anyone reading this would automatically assume the gains were made via Novedex...even if it isnt what you meant...its implicitly stated. My point is he is getting a placebo effect and attributing it to the supplement....which is not uncommon mind you but still very inaccurate and thus will lead others to assume they will see similar results which I feel is misleading at best. I never assumed you were supplying the supps that is not my concern...my interest lies in the truth....that is all.
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[Praetorian]

did i say it was from the product alone? nope dont think so.did he say that? nope!
it obvious its from him training harder and maybe even eating better, who knows as he hasnt posted a diet. he also doenst give us his training history.
i have personally seen beginners gain alot more then that on certain exercises without them taking anything. not even eating good.

u keep bringing up 6oxo too. why? we have already established that he has the new version.

i think u think i am pushing the product on him, just to make a sale.and u are combating me every step. well P, i dont supply him. and i dont work that way.

i see it like this, the guy says the stuff works for him, and he is asking how long to stay off the product before he goes on again. thats it.

no need to get into all the technical hooplaw that surounds this product. if he was asking about creatine would we have the same answers as we do concerning this product?

If there is no 6oxo in the product which is what we have established and why i brought it up...please explain the active ingredient that replaces it and how it is anabolic? As for creatine...it has been established scientifically to work...and work well no arguments there.
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[Ehrhoff]

Sorry 40lbs on someones bench from Novedex...with or without 6oxo I dont think so...maybe from learning how to bench correctly yes...but not 6oxo. Anecdotal evidence is easily misinterpreted....its called the training effect combined with food, rest etc...to attribute your gains to 6oxo alone is naive at best.
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Maybe I should have clarified. I have stopped and started training a few times. I had the EXACT same diet each time starting back, same routine. 35 grams of protien every 2 hours, at least 70 grams of carbs as well. The only thing I added was Novodex this time and went up 40 pounds on my bench in 8 weeks. I even missed two weeks of chest during that time .I would normally bump up 20lbs by this time doing the same without so I was a bit surprised (considering I only did chest 6 times). I am not talking about 1 or 2 bad form reps either. 40 pound more , perfect form. I also take monster mass but that was the only other supplement. I noticed a difference. Maybe others didn't get the same results.

[Praetorian]

Maybe I should have clarified. I have stopped and started training a few times. I had the EXACT same diet each time starting back, same routine. 35 grams of protien every 2 hours, at least 70 grams of carbs as well. The only thing I added was Novodex this time and went up 40 pounds on my bench in 8 weeks. I even missed two weeks of chest during that time .I would normally bump up 20lbs by this time doing the same without so I was a bit surprised (considering I only did chest 6 times). I am not talking about 1 or 2 bad form reps either. 40 pound more , perfect form. I also take monster mass but that was the only other supplement. I noticed a difference. Maybe others didn't get the same results.

Exactly that completely illustrates the pure training effect....stopping and starting a few times...the novedex is placebo....trust me....you should be taking the credit for the gains...diet+training hard..its all you brother.
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[Ehrhoff]

Exactly that completely illustrates the pure training effect....stopping and starting a few times...the novedex is placebo....trust me....you should be taking the credit for the gains...diet+training hard..its all you brother.
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Who knows. You may be right. I don't know a ton about the stuff. I just hope I continue to make gains :hu What do you recommend that will help? Is there anything else that is out there right now that I should try?

[Ehrhoff]

Ok. SO I called Gaspari again and asked for someone who knows allot about this product. They said Novodex Never contained 6 oxo. The formula Has basically been exactly the same right up to the point they discontinued it (aside from a few minor ingredients that had no bearing on it's test boosting capabilities). I talked to another guy today that worked for another major supplement company and he agreed. The Novo that is still kicking around is the same Novo that was always available.

[Memo]

the supplements industry is full of shit.

[physique]

Ok. SO I called Gaspari again and asked for someone who knows allot about this product. They said Novodex Never contained 6 oxo. The formula Has basically been exactly the same right up to the point they discontinued it (aside from a few minor ingredients that had no bearing on it's test boosting capabilities). I talked to another guy today that worked for another major supplement company and he agreed. The Novo that is still kicking around is the same Novo that was always available.

they are full of shit!!!! of course they are going to say that as 6oxo is in the news right now, they dont want any negative publicity towards the company even if it was legal at the time.

as memo said the supplemnet industry is full of slimballs, hell look at whats happening to Progenex on bb.com. perfect example.

[physique]

Exactly that completely illustrates the pure training effect....stopping and starting a few times...the novedex is placebo....trust me....you should be taking the credit for the gains...diet+training hard..its all you brother.
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so lets say he took creatine then, and did the same diet and training, u would tell him it was all placebo? or would u be saying part of that is from creatine as its scientifcally proven to work and the rest was from u brother?


first u say there is no way he could of gained 40lbs on his bench, now u say its possible? after he tells u what his diet and training was.

sorry man, my pea sized brain sees what u are trying to say, but i just cnat follow it. i read it according to u, only scientifcally proven supplements work and the rest is bunk. therefore his gains came from where again?

as for u saying the ingredients in novedex xt arent proven, better do some more research, as gaspari is one of the only companies on the market that can back up every single ingredient in their products that they do something in the human body.

[Ehrhoff]

they are full of shit!!!! of course they are going to say that as 6oxo is in the news right now, they dont want any negative publicity towards the company even if it was legal at the time.

as memo said the supplemnet industry is full of slimballs, hell look at whats happening to Progenex on bb.com. perfect example.

The owner a major supplement chain( that also worked for a major supplement company making supplements) also confirmed it ontop of that. He wasn't trying to sell me anything. This guy knows his supplements. I told him I bought 4 bottles online. He had no reason to lie about it. Halordol had 6 oxo, Novodex never did. I also talked another guy that runs the GNC in town. He said the same thing.

Three sources that make there living in the supplement industry. two of those don't even carry the stuff. If anyone can show me an old Novodex label with 6 oxo on it I will be very surprised. That is not why it was discontinued.


All of them said that Novodex works. Nobody said anything negative. And like I said, the two sources didn't even have any in their stores.

[Memo]

so lets say he took creatine then, and did the same diet and training, u would tell him it was all placebo? or would u be saying part of that is from creatine as its scientifcally proven to work and the rest was from u brother?


first u say there is no way he could of gained 40lbs on his bench, now u say its possible? after he tells u what his diet and training was.

sorry man, my pea sized brain sees what u are trying to say, but i just cnat follow it. i read it according to u, only scientifcally proven supplements work and the rest is bunk. therefore his gains came from where again?

as for u saying the ingredients in novedex xt arent proven, better do some more research, as gaspari is one of the only companies on the market that can back up every single ingredient in their products that they do something in the human body.

I think what is his trying to say, is that since op looks like somewhat of a beginner, and is using this somewhat ineffective supplement, most of those gain are coming from his extra motivation to work harder and maybe eat better since he was on something.

maybe his body reacted supra-naturaly, but it is somewhat unlikely. Creatine will give gain that are more likely to be there since it does have proven effect, but still a part of gain from creatine, especially for a beginner might be placebo as well.

Prea, correct me if im wrong.

[Ehrhoff]

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I'm still skinny as hell, but this is two weeks back on Novodex. Up another 10 pounds. Not sure if you can tell a difference yet, but I see a little bit. Yes that's a tanning bed in the background. Lol.

[Memo]

you will get stronger drinking your own semen than using this stuff... as long as you believe in it.

[Ehrhoff]

you will get stronger drinking your own semen than using this stuff... as long as you believe in it.

Are you saying this from experience? Lol. Just joking man. I also started taking icon by starchem labs today as well. 3 a day

[Memo]

I take only Omega3, Creatine Mono, a Multi, Greens powder & Protein powder. I haven't used any other supplement in years.

I think they are overpriced, overhyped and useless.

You should keep that extra 60$ and buy some more protein, beef, chicken, fish... It will have more impact over time.

[Ehrhoff]

I take only Omega3, Creatine Mono, a Multi, Greens powder & Protein powder. I haven't used any other supplement in years.

I think they are overpriced, overhyped and useless.

You should keep that extra 60$ and buy some more protein, beef, chicken, fish... It will have more impact over time.

I don't need anymore protein trust me. Lol. I'm just adding to my diet is all. I couldn't possibly eat anymore than I already am.

[Memo]

I don't need anymore protein trust me. Lol. I'm just adding to my diet is all. I couldn't possibly eat anymore than I already am.

Unless you eat 7000 calories a day, you drink a cup of olive oil before bed and get your steaks and potato through a blender to chug them, you could eat more.

I thought i ate a lot, and started to hang out with this 300lbs girl, she thought me a lot about bulking.

Do you have 300g+ of protein a day from solid source?

[Ehrhoff]

Unless you eat 7000 calories a day, you drink a cup of olive oil before bed and get your steaks and potato through a blender to chug them, you could eat more.

I thought i ate a lot, and started to hang out with this 300lbs girl, she thought me a lot about bulking.

Do you have 300g+ of protein a day from solid source?

Lol. The bolded made me laugh. No I guess you are right. My biggest challemge has alwatys been food. All I am saying is I can add these supplements while doing the best I can with my diet as well. For example today I ate


bowl of oatmeal
2 bannanas
6 stips of bacon with hash browns and 4 scrambled eggs
150 g. of smoked salmon with potato salad
half rack of ribs
mashes potatoes
6 inch tuna sub with double meat
ptotien bar with a nutra grain bar.
and a salad

that's not including my monster mass protein shakes. I don't know how I avoid fat like I do. I try to eat like this as often as I can.

[Memo]

Yesterday I ate, 1 pound of boiled potato, 3x 7oz steak, 8oz on bbq chicken, 3 cups of uncooked rice, and 6 eggs & a 1L of yogurt for breakfast. I drank almost two litter of orange juices and took 150g of protein from whey as well. I am only 5"4,170lbs.

I used to spend 200$ a month on supplements, and realized that its a total waste of money.

And i am nowhere near what some of the people here eat in a day. I still believe buying quality, good tasting food will help you more to pack on muscle than some random supplements.

[Praetorian]

Lol. The bolded made me laugh. No I guess you are right. My biggest challemge has alwatys been food. All I am saying is I can add these supplements while doing the best I can with my diet as well. For example today I ate


bowl of oatmeal
2 bannanas
6 stips of bacon with hash browns and 4 scrambled eggs
150 g. of smoked salmon with potato salad
half rack of ribs
mashes potatoes
6 inch tuna sub with double meat
ptotien bar with a nutra grain bar.
and a salad

that's not including my monster mass protein shakes. I don't know how I avoid fat like I do. I try to eat like this as often as I can.

That diet is in a word...AWFUL! Im surprised you are gaining any muscle at all.
Not much food and very little nutrional support....you need to makes some drastic changes.
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[Ehrhoff]

That diet is in a word...AWFUL! Im surprised you are gaining any muscle at all.
Not much food and very little nutrional support....you need to makes some drastic changes.
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Ok. Advise? I take 3 proiten shakes( Monster mass) as well, and a multivitamin. Any help with my diet would be great.

[Praetorian]

so lets say he took creatine then, and did the same diet and training, u would tell him it was all placebo? or would u be saying part of that is from creatine as its scientifcally proven to work and the rest was from u brother?


first u say there is no way he could of gained 40lbs on his bench, now u say its possible? after he tells u what his diet and training was.

sorry man, my pea sized brain sees what u are trying to say, but i just cnat follow it. i read it according to u, only scientifcally proven supplements work and the rest is bunk. therefore his gains came from where again?

as for u saying the ingredients in novedex xt arent proven, better do some more research, as gaspari is one of the only companies on the market that can back up every single ingredient in their products that they do something in the human body.

No I said he did not gain 40lbs on his bench because of novedex....I did not say he couldnt gain 40lbs on his bench....please keep things in context.
As for creatine there are many double blind placebo studies that prove creatine works....please show me one done on Novedex.
Its marketing hype.
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[Praetorian]

Ok. Advise? I take 3 proiten shakes( Monster mass) as well, and a multivitamin. Any help with my diet would be great.

6-8 meals with 40-50g pro + 40-50g carbs+15-20g fat....whole natural foods....no processed food, no fast food, no nitrites, no bars. Use real fresh natural protein sources, chicken/turkey breast, steak, ground beef, eggs, milk, cottage cheese, yogurt, fish, for carbs use sweet potato, brown rice, oats, dark rye bread, rice pasta, berries, veggies. For fats olive oil, egg yolk, fish oils,
saturated fats in meats, nuts, peanut/almond butters.
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[Ehrhoff]

6-8 meals with 40-50g pro + 40-50g carbs+15-20g fat....whole natural foods....no processed food, no fast food, no nitrites, no bars. Use real fresh natural protein sources, chicken/turkey breast, steak, ground beef, eggs, milk, cottage cheese, yogurt, fish, for carbs use sweet potato, brown rice, oats, dark rye bread, rice pasta, berries, veggies. For fats olive oil, egg yolk, fish oils,
saturated fats in meats, nuts, peanut/almond butters.
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While I admire your dedication, there is no effin way I'm cooking 8 meals a day with 40 to 50 grams of natural protein. to eat 8 meals, if you consider the time it would take to eat each meal, it would work out to a meal every hour. Unless you are cranking, there is no way in hell your body will absorb that. 30 to 35 grams every 2- 2.5 hours is more than enough for me.

Who the hell has time to eat full meals every hour? Not me man. That's why they invented the protein shake in the first place. 4 to 5 max of my meals are real food. I am WAY to busy to spend all my time eating and cooking. I'm not an aspiring pro body builder, I just do what I can within reason. 8 meals a day is WAY beyond reason to me unless that is your entire life, and your girlfriend doesn't mind having a guy that does nothing but eats craps and cooks. Lol.

Props to ya If you can manage that dude. I honestly respect that, but I am not looking to be a monster, nor am I looking to have triple bi pass surgery .

[Memo]

Seriously, we are telling you what to do gain some muscle and all you do is complaining. If you cant respect the people trying to help you, maybe you should not ask for advice.

Did it come to your mind that you can pre-cook steaks, chicken, potatoes, rice and keep it for days in your cooler?

[Ehrhoff]

Seriously, we are telling you what to do gain some muscle and all you do is complaining. If you cant respect the people trying to help you, maybe you should not ask for advice.

Did it come to your mind that you can pre-cook steaks, chicken, potatoes, rice and keep it for days in your cooler?

Lol. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I hope it doesn't come across like that. If it is I apologize. I just don't think I have the time to eat that much. You guys are probably right though. Those sources he posted are also great advise. I will try to push myself to 6 meals maybe. It's going to be hard for me as I am a true ecto. Eating is my main challenge.

[Ehrhoff]

SO I have been feeling stronger since starting novodex again. A few more before and afters. Let me know what you guys think. I have also been taking Icon by starchem labs. 3 a day.

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[Praetorian]

While I admire your dedication, there is no effin way I'm cooking 8 meals a day (SIMPLE 3 SOLID MEALS AND 3-5 SHAKES) with 40 to 50 grams of natural protein. to eat 8 meals, if you consider the time it would take to eat each meal, it would work out to a meal every hour. Unless you are cranking, there is no way in hell your body will absorb that. 30 to 35 grams every 2- 2.5 hours is more than enough for me.(COMPLETELY UNTRUE YOU CAN EASILY ABSORB 50G PROTEIN PER MEAL)

Who the hell has time to eat full meals every hour? (EVERY BODYBUILDER OUT THERE WHO WANTS TO MAKE SERIOUS GAINS..SIMPLE...AGAIN SEE ABOVE POST)Not me man. That's why they invented the protein shake in the first place. 4 to 5 max of my meals are real food. I am WAY to busy to spend all my time eating and cooking. I'm not an aspiring pro body builder, I just do what I can within reason. 8 meals a day is WAY beyond reason to me unless that is your entire life, and your girlfriend doesn't mind having a guy that does nothing but eats craps and cooks. Lol. (YOUVE MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY...I NEVER POSTED 6-8 SOLID FOOD MEALS...IF YOU HAVE READ ANY OF MY POST ON MY Q&A OR ANSWERS TO DIET QUESTION SI HAVE ALWAYS ADVOCATED ALTERNATING SOLID FOD WITH SHAKES...SEARCH FIRST BEFORE POSTING INACCURATE INFORMATION

Props to ya If you can manage that dude.(ITS EASILY DONE SEE ABOVE POSTS) I honestly respect that, but I am not looking to be a monster, nor am I looking to have triple bi pass surgery . 6 MEALS 3 OF THEM SHAKES IS ENOUGH TO GROW SERIOUS MUSCLE, EASY, TAKES VERY LITTLE TIME, CAN BE DONE WORKING, GOING TO SCHOOL ETC...

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PS caps are used to differentiate my comments

[Ehrhoff]

6 MEALS 3 OF THEM SHAKES IS ENOUGH TO GROW SERIOUS MUSCLE, EASY, TAKES VERY LITTLE TIME, CAN BE DONE WORKING, GOING TO SCHOOL ETC...

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PS caps are used to differentiate my comments

You made some good points. I took your advise. I am eating 6 meals now no matter what. I am actually tring to make as many of them as I can real food. I realize I misunderstood you on that, but I figured more real meals the better right? I thought you meant 8 real meals! Lol. That would be allot of cooking. I will still use my shakes too. Any advise on easy breakfast meals? I need em to be sorta fast. Any meal tips would be great

[cprom185]

Prepair your meals the night before thats what I do. Its easy to make excuses and its even easier to just do it. Its a pain the ass carrying around that much food but you want to grow you gotta eat.