Use and Abuse of AAS

[bigtavi8]

I am a younger guy and new to the game so to speak. I read a tonne of ppls cycles and research basicly every day for the last 5 or so years. It has become quite a hobby or obbsession to create cycles and get bigger and better in the gym. But when i came across this cycle it really changed the way i think about the game. Is it really worth dying for? If you dont think this cycle i show next is abuse you should not be using AAS because you have a death wish...

This is the last cycle that Andreas Munzer took before he died after the 1996 Arnold Classic. A little background on Andi Munzer is he is a german (austrian) competitor commonly known as the most ripped man to ever live.

Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant--
cytomel

Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin

Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH

Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily

Days 1-3 leading up to show
aldactone, lasix

[Andre Gregoire]

When Munzer died and the details of this cycle came out, some people in the know shared a little secret that some guys use.

They write out insane cycles with all the drugs they are transporting on them designed into the cycle. That way if they are stopped for trafficking they can demonstrate that its for personal use only based on their written cycle.

Would this work in reality? I don't think so...

[gicantor]

f**k me.............insanity if it's true

[bigtavi8]

AndreGregoire i bet it would be very smart idea to write it down to claim it as personal use per say but with that much gear it would be hard to not get nailed on trafficking. What a cycle tho eh.

[Victor85]

Those are pretty big numbers for a cycle.(Meh, I am not surprised though.)
I wonder what he took in between these high dosages cycle or if he just kept it consistent?

[vakker]

AndreGregoire i bet it would be very smart idea to write it down to claim it as personal use per say but with that much gear it would be hard to not get nailed on trafficking. What a cycle tho eh.

I think the burden is on the cops in some EU countries. the UK its legit to have a 30 day supply, right? as long as you declare it and can prove 30 days....

[maximus14]

holy shit 24 ius of hgh a day, and i thougt 10 a day was a large amount

[maximus14]

if that is infact what hes running id like to see hwat big ron was running for the olympias, i know hes a ginetic freAK but id still like to see that cycle

[yAr]

death wish is right! wow....

thats if thats what he was actually taking

[natenator]

This type of abuse is extreme and NOT very common in my opinion. I know far greater abuse that exists from cycles I've seen on this board; guys in the gym and other competitive bodybuilders.

[japh]

I remember reading that the cause of his death was a combination of his liver beginning to bleed and the doctors not being able to stop the bleeding. Aspirin and something else was the cause of the inability to clot. Obviously the amount of anabolics caused the blood cysts to accumulate and burst. Not sure if that true 100%. I did read it though in some article years ago.

Crazy cylce. He was also one of the most shredded bodybuilders ever for what its worth. I remember the detail in his side delts were crazy. Almost like being able to see the different clusters of fibres. Cross striations galore.

[Andre Gregoire]

I remember reading that the cause of his death was a combination of his liver beginning to bleed and the doctors not being able to stop the bleeding. Aspirin and something else was the cause of the inability to clot. Obviously the amount of anabolics caused the blood cysts to accumulate and burst. Not sure if that true 100%. I did read it though in some article years ago.

Crazy cylce. He was also one of the most shredded bodybuilders ever for what its worth. I remember the detail in his side delts were crazy. Almost like being able to see the different clusters of fibres. Cross striations galore.

Internal bleeding was the cause of death and Cytadren a cortisol blocker was the suspected catalyst.

[blp]

200mg ED halotestin i will puke all day

[keithsa41]

Could be a guise to be classified as for daily use when he traveled thru Europe and validated for personnel extended use...At pro levels, they do go to the extreme at all costs... sponsorship money, shows, determination to be the best.. Whether this is an actual cycle is debatable.. It's a lot for the body to absorb if it's true

[piller01]

wow...:shock

[japh]

I actually forgot exactly just how freaky lean he was. Hadn't seen a pic in awhile. I liked his overall size too. Not too big. Thanks for the pic

[Chaps]

Apprently that cycle was fake he was infront of a judge and had to bullshit to explain the mass amount of gear on him.

[MMASTAR]

no way that can be a real cylce... that is way to insane... 3500mg test a week?? 200mg halo a day?? not a chance... if he even did half that cycle its no wonder he's dead...

[vakker]

I've heard of real people doing 3+ grams of test a week, many people. Never heard of the 200mg of halo a day though.

[rob66679]

no way that can be a real cylce... that is way to insane... 3500mg test a week?? 200mg halo a day?? not a chance... if he even did half that cycle its no wonder he's dead...

Seems like a lot....But theres guys on here that are not even pro's that take 2000 of test a week for a base...... its possible IMHO from what I've read on other boards.......

[MMASTAR]

WOW... if your not a pro why would you be taking 2 grams of test a week?? thats crazy... especially if its just a hobby...

[fathead]

my fav is the 300mg/day winny tabs and only 50mg/day winny injections. i guess he used some reasonable dosages ;p

[rob66679]

WOW... if your not a pro why would you be taking 2 grams of test a week?? thats crazy... especially if its just a hobby...

I could be mistaken, but I think Nate was on 1500 or 2000 a week at one time....... Obviously a direct connection between dosage and size.... Nate's a big boy.

[tiramisu]

There are some obvious discepancies in the post. Who knows what he was taking but he certainly wasn't taking the cycle that was posted.

There are enough nonsensical elements to the post that you know it was written by someone who has not taken these drugs.

3.5 grams of test a week is not terribly shocking to me but 150mg of dbol and 150mg of halo at the same time is silly. The bloat would be debilitating and you would pick one or the other and if you were dosing aggressively you still probably wouldn't be going over 50-100 mg.

24iu's of hgh? Please. 10 iu's maybe but in the 90's likely much less.

igf used randomly in the last 2 weeks? That doesn't even make sense.

I could go on but the cycle doesn't make sense. If it said he used 5 grams of test a week and 1.5 grams of parabolan plus 50mg/day of adrol plus 10 iu's of hgh and 20iu's of insuling switching from test e to test prop and masteron and parabolan towards the end in ungodly dosages I would say sure whatever but the cycle as posted simply doesn't make sense.

[JonnyO]

I highly doubt he was taking those amounts of the drugs listed. He wasnt a mass monster by any means but a shredder and he didnt have that drug look to him that a lot of guys taking in boat loads of AAS seem to have. Most guys that take high amounts appear softer and rounder, no striations and his whole body was striated. Thats a result of hard dieting and some diuretics, and the later I think is what led to his demise.

[btufts]

that definately seems insane for drugs, that cycle alone would probably be like 15 grand or more to run. but really that scares me, no wonder he died so early. i'm even concerned about having kids in the future what do some of these guys think! can these guys ever have kids?