how to lose the stubborn belly fat ?

[azfar]

im pretty much fedup of my belly fat. till the time im running on treadmil and not eating anythin bad im alrite. as soon as a i hit my cheat meal of the week which isnt still that BIG meal or miss my two- three cardio seasons i see big belly sticking out of my shirt :( .. what should i do so my metabolism burns more fat or should i start taking fat blockerS? please help

[l6873]

What's your diet like?

You can't spot reduce fat, it'll have to come off from all over your body.
Some bloating after a cheat meal shouldn't be a concern, you're not getting fatter from it.

[Aaron_37]

It's either your diet or your workout regiment that is the issue. Post up the entire documentation on both of them, and we'll go from there. My guess is that your diet is messed up, and here's why:

Not only is diet the majority factor in the equation, but there's also something else I noticed in your post. The fact that you jump to conclusions about fat blockers makes me suspect that you may not totally understand what your food does for you. This is why exact details are very important. If you're under the impression that dietary fats are bad for you, then your definition of a "not eating anythin bad" differs severely from almost everyone on this board, and will require serious, but totally feasible revisions.

[macka]

Azfar start a journal already. You need to not only make yourself accountable, but a few of the members here are more then qualified and willing to give you help. I know you are frustrated, and after 7 months of dieting I have put up a journal. I am still being patient though. Read my last entry, we are in the same boat.
Log all of your food consumption for at least 2 weeks and post it up daily. Be completely honest. If you do this we can help you get to your goals, and help keep you motivated.

[Andre Gregoire]

Belly fat isn't stubborn, you just need to get lean enough to get rid of it. Which generally means less calories and more cardio.

Lower bodyfat is generally stubborn because of its larger qty of alpha2 adrenoceptors and adipose tissue blood flow but there is nothing special about belly fat.

[azfar]

im sorry i forgot to mention all stuff, the thing is i do have strict deit consist of 40% protein,40% carbs and 20 % fat. And majority of those fats comes from nuts and whole wheat. i dont consume any type of oil, dairy fat etc. i consume around 2800 calories a day to gain pounds of muscle on my body. The problem is i dont get fat around any other part of body at all but just the belly and that too after eating just one big oily meal? lastly i weighed 171 pound 20 year old and 170 cm tall

[azfar]

Azfar start a journal already. You need to not only make yourself accountable, but a few of the members here are more then qualified and willing to give you help. I know you are frustrated, and after 7 months of dieting I have put up a journal. I am still being patient though. Read my last entry, we are in the same boat.
Log all of your food consumption for at least 2 weeks and post it up daily. Be completely honest. If you do this we can help you get to your goals, and help keep you motivated.

by journal yu mean start counting what am i eating ?

[btufts]

less fat, less carbs, more cardio. if your trying to lose fat you can't constantly keep eating the same foods without adding cardio or you'll plateau.

[steve_d]

im sorry i forgot to mention all stuff, the thing is i do have strict deit consist of 40% protein,40% carbs and 20 % fat. And majority of those fats comes from nuts and whole wheat. i dont consume any type of oil, dairy fat etc. i consume around 2800 calories a day to gain pounds of muscle on my body. The problem is i dont get fat around any other part of body at all but just the belly and that too after eating just one big oily meal? lastly i weighed 171 pound 20 year old and 170 cm tall

at 171 pounds, you likely won't be losing any weight with 2800 calories unless you are doing a lot of cardio. Thats about my weight, and I will GAIN weight eating 2500 calories unless I do at least some cardio.

[laslo101]

like said allready post up what you eat and be honest on a daily basis and alot of people on here i'm sure would be willing to help you out, there very good when it comes to structuring alot have been doing it along time. i thought i was eating clean for a year wondering why i wouldn't loose weight and i was doing cardio. since joining this board i have truely been learning what it takes to do so, and i was very misinformed before. so get specifics up bro.

[btufts]

I'm eating about 2000 calories a day right now and I'm down to 190lbs and still have to do about 20-30 min a day now to lose a lb per week. Low fat means more carbs can be eaten. 1g carbs = 4 calories same with protein. Fat is something like 1g=7 calories. Do the math

[Aaron_37]

I'm eating about 2000 calories a day right now and I'm down to 190lbs and still have to do about 20-30 min a day now to lose a lb per week. Low fat means more carbs can be eaten. 1g carbs = 4 calories same with protein. Fat is something like 1g=7 calories. Do the math

9.

[ironwill]

Fat is 9 calories per gram.... ;^)

[tiramisu]

alcohol is good for 7/gram

[Aaron_37]

alcohol is good for nothing

Fixed. (Not in the caloric sense, just with respect to any means by which it can benefit anybody in bodybuilding/powerlifting/figure/fitness/etc.)

[PdH]

Bro, you have to decide if you're trying to bulk or trying to cut. One or the other, not both at the same time.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18893

[ironwill]

Fixed. (Not in the caloric sense, just with respect to any means by which it can benefit anybody in bodybuilding/powerlifting/figure/fitness/etc.)

Did You ever compete??? Alcohol has its place...vascularity off the charts , dryness like no other......
But i wouldnt recommend it for nutritional values...ok way off topic...

[Delt King]

Did You ever compete??? Alcohol has its place...vascularity off the charts , dryness like no other......
But i wouldnt recommend it for nutritional values...ok way off topic...

What Ironwill is saying is sometimes IW needs a good buzz before stepping on stage in front of 2000 people in his smallest underwear. LOL

[ironwill]

What Ironwill is saying is sometimes IW needs a good buzz before stepping on stage in front of 2000 people in his smallest underwear. LOL
Thats a good zinger,lol, yet reality does still hurt, but booze makes me feel like it all goes away..
lol:D finally someone gets my humor, or lack thereof!!!

I havent drank in yrs, but im going to start soon....

[azfar]

ok thats it i have been bulkin for couple of months now from tomorrow i am starting to cut. i have couple of questions
1. How much calories do i need to cut if i weigh 171 lbs.
2. What should my weight training look like ? still increase weight or maintain the weights or decrease the weights ? with higher reps

[azfar]

Bro, you have to decide if you're trying to bulk or trying to cut. One or the other, not both at the same time.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18893

hmmm

[btufts]

ok thats it i have been bulkin for couple of months now from tomorrow i am starting to cut. i have couple of questions
1. How much calories do i need to cut if i weigh 171 lbs.
2. What should my weight training look like ? still increase weight or maintain the weights or decrease the weights ? with higher reps

find out on your own is the best way. try like 45g protein and 30g carbs for 6 meals a day and see if you start losing weight. if not lower carbs.

try to push as much weight as possible with good control. but that's a whole other story.

[Shortdave]

Bro, you have to decide if you're trying to bulk or trying to cut. One or the other, not both at the same time.

http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18893

x2

[macka]

the journal

my journal (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=393490#post393490)

It is to help me improve my physique. I am starting back so right now its more of a get my diet and workout right. I have been training seriously for about 8 months and the results are good, you just have to be patient.

[natenator]

the journal

my journal (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=393490#post393490)

It is to help me improve my physique. I am starting back so right now its more of a get my diet and workout right. I have been training seriously for about 8 months and the results are good, you just have to be patient.
patient and consistent are the magic ingredients. No supplement, diet or training program can make up for an inconsistent effort.

Good on you!

[Delt King]

patient and consistent are the magic ingredients. No supplement, diet or training program can make up for an inconsistent effort.


Agreed 100%

[azfar]

i agree with all of yu but from today and on for one month am going on cutting phase because its RAMADAN for me.. i have to fast 16 hours straight . now for the fact am really scared that am gonna lose my hard earned muscles what should i do ? am gonna be doin cardio 3 times a week to cut( will not fast on those days ).
and my morning meal which i am allowed to eat consist of atleast 60-70 g of protein and 60-70 grams on the dawn meal. any advices ?

[azfar]

i agree with all of yu but from today and on for one month am going on cutting phase because its RAMADAN for me.. i have to fast 16 hours straight . now for the fact am really scared that am gonna lose my hard earned muscles what should i do ? am gonna be doin cardio 3 times a week to cut( will not fast on those days ).
and my morning meal which i am allowed to eat consist of atleast 60-70 g of protein and 60-70 grams on the dawn meal. any advices ?

Ok one of my frnds told me that i have to do slow paced running to be able to burn max fat but im getting mixed suggestions, some say i have to run so fast so that i can achieve 80% of my heart beat and some say don run more than 30 min or yu gonna lose muscle=S .....am realli confused plz help

[Delt King]

Ok one of my frnds told me that i have to do slow paced running to be able to burn max fat but im getting mixed suggestions, some say i have to run so fast so that i can achieve 80% of my heart beat and some say don run more than 30 min or yu gonna lose muscle=S .....am realli confused plz help

To be honest you won't need cardio at all as you'll be so catabolic all day fat and muscle will be eaten up like crazy when you fast.

For reference if you're taking in lots of carbs during your cut high intensity cardio is ok but if your carbs are very low, then low intensity cardio works well.

[azfar]

To be honest you won't need cardio at all as you'll be so catabolic all day fat and muscle will be eaten up like crazy when you fast.



i am gonna loose muscles too even if i have high protein in dusk and dawn ? i take special formulated protein shake which last 12 hrs a day ..

[Delt King]

i am gonna loose muscles too even if i have high protein in dusk and dawn ? i take special formulated protein shake which last 12 hrs a day ..

Yes you'll lose lean body mass without question. I'd go with steak, it'll digest slower than a casein formula shake.

[azfar]

Yes you'll lose lean body mass without question. I'd go with steak, it'll digest slower than a casein formula shake.

well what else can be done to minimize as much as poosible the muscle loss ? and i dont fast the days i do weight lifting ...

[macka]

eat as healthy as possible, take in extra supplements where possible. Stick with low intensity cardio and drink lots of water.

[Shortdave]

well what else can be done to minimize as much as poosible the muscle loss ? and i dont fast the days i do weight lifting ...


If you aren't eating food you better not be lifting weights.

[azfar]

If you aren't eating food you better not be lifting weights.

even if im cutting ? like high reps and remember i dont fast on the days i lift weights

[Shortdave]

Sorry about that man, I thought you were only eating in the morning and at night.

If you are eating all day then by all means lift weights.

[azfar]

lol i would be dead if i lift on empty stomach

[azfar]

should i keep taking fat burner while am cutting ? i heard its thermogenic and if im fasting am not drinking water resulting in big time dehydration can it be really dangerous ? or if i drink alot of water prior to taking it is that gonna be fine ?

[juced_porkchop]

there really is no secret.
i see how you worded that AFTER the cheat day next day your "fat" if this is the case IT ISNOT fat its bloat from the carbspik. you will know wake up litrally over night "fat"

sound liek you still have fat on you and after your cheta meal you get bloated for a day.
no bieei.
i dont rec losing the cheat day.
cheat day is a good thing.
I could rec less overall carbs. and also rec Lipotropic Protein and take 1 scoop 2-3 tmes a day in between meals to keep hunger downs and protein up.

also whats this about "fat blockers" ??? you do nwo its mostly CARBS you eat along with a higher cal diet that makes you gain fat, NOT eating fat right? (with the exception of haveing just way tomany cals sure in this case it could)

i still dont knwo why ALOT of peopel think "if i eat fat I will gain fat" it makes no sence.
mostly marketing from food companys.
your better off having REGULER yogurt NOT the fatt free one with extra sugar.

keep your diet HIGH protein, med fat , med-low carb.

[juced_porkchop]

should i keep taking fat burner while am cutting ? i heard its thermogenic and if im fasting am not drinking water resulting in big time dehydration can it be really dangerous ? or if i drink alot of water prior to taking it is that gonna be fine ?

YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE DRINKING ALOT OF WATER!
this has NOTHING to do with fatloss.
DRINK ALOT OF WATER! :)

[azfar]

YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE DRINKING ALOT OF WATER!
this has NOTHING to do with fatloss.
DRINK ALOT OF WATER! :)

i think yu didnt catch the point ... am fasting for 16 hours ...

[azfar]

Hey guys whatsup i was wondering if im on the right track .. within a week while am on cutting phase i see muscle defination better than before but was considering lowering carbs even more i dunno what do you guys say ? i pereferably take 60-72 g of carb a day and 180 g of protein and arnd 50 g of fat ... i weigh 176 lbs currently plz give me some advice with those numbers thanks

[azfar]

i heard that much protein can neglect the fact that am avoiding carbs sicne protein can be broken down to glucose

[Shortdave]

Thats not enough protein to worry about, you are analyzing things too much. Get on a diet and follow it to the letter, if nothing happens, then worry about changing it.

[natenator]

Thats not enough protein to worry about, you are analyzing things too much. Get on a diet and follow it to the letter, if nothing happens, then worry about changing it.
People, it seems, would rather think than do.

[azfar]

alrite one more thing can i stop eating chicken breast while cutting phase ? like its horrible dry and tastless i was thinking start eating beef coz it has abt same amnt protein and but high fat and since i can actually have some fat through out my day .. what yu guys say

[azfar]

Thats not enough protein to worry about, you are analyzing things too much. Get on a diet and follow it to the letter, if nothing happens, then worry about changing it.

yea man yur rite ... its just i have one month wanna loose inches arnd my waist as much as possible b4 college starts lol

[Andre Gregoire]

Chicken, Lean Beef, Egg Whites + some yolks, cottage cheese, protein powder.... all good protein sources.

[azfar]

there really is no secret.
i see how you worded that AFTER the cheat day next day your "fat" if this is the case IT ISNOT fat its bloat from the carbspik. you will know wake up litrally over night "fat"

sound liek you still have fat on you and after your cheta meal you get bloated for a day.
no bieei.
i dont rec losing the cheat day.
cheat day is a good thing.
I could rec less overall carbs. and also rec Lipotropic Protein and take 1 scoop 2-3 tmes a day in between meals to keep hunger downs and protein up.

also whats this about "fat blockers" ??? you do nwo its mostly CARBS you eat along with a higher cal diet that makes you gain fat, NOT eating fat right? (with the exception of haveing just way tomany cals sure in this case it could)

i still dont knwo why ALOT of peopel think "if i eat fat I will gain fat" it makes no sence.
mostly marketing from food companys.
your better off having REGULER yogurt NOT the fatt free one with extra sugar.

keep your diet HIGH protein, med fat , med-low carb.
My apology to the poster i didnt read this comment before... this is really nice explanation thanks alot ... nd yea i guess now i realize that i actually never lost the fat ... blocking carbs do actually work !

[azfar]

i finally found a way to eat chicken breast... fry it in a olive oil how ever i heard that frying oil makes trans fat out of it and i duno what not .. im using just one table spoon shuld i keep it or not coz i wanna lose body fat.... rest of the things are going pretty stable

[Andre Gregoire]

Olive oil and other oils that contain poly-unsaturated fats become very unstable when overheated. If you want to keep cooking with olive oil just keep the heat lower and you will be fine. Also, regular light tasting olive oil can be heated more than extra virgin olive oil so I personally cook with the light tasting stuff at low temps and use the evvo in shakes, salad, on veggies without cooking it.

If you want to cook it at high temps then try using butter or coconut oil, both saturated fats are stable at high temps.

I believe there are no health issues with eating saturated fats as long as you are not also elevating insulin levels so for example I wouldn't recommend butter in a high carb meal.

[natenator]

mac nut oil is perfect for cooking with.

[azfar]

Olive oil and other oils that contain poly-unsaturated fats become very unstable when overheated. If you want to keep cooking with olive oil just keep the heat lower and you will be fine. Also, regular light tasting olive oil can be heated more than extra virgin olive oil so I personally cook with the light tasting stuff at low temps and use the evvo in shakes, salad, on veggies without cooking it.

If you want to cook it at high temps then try using butter or coconut oil, both saturated fats are stable at high temps.

I believe there are no health issues with eating saturated fats as long as you are not also elevating insulin levels so for example I wouldn't recommend butter in a high carb meal.
so shuld i keep olive oil or swtich to mac nut oil .. also how peanut oil ? i dont wanna gain my all fat back by addind somethin bad

[Andre Gregoire]

If you can get mac nut oil go with that if not olive oil will be fine but I would avoid peanut oil because the high level of bad omega6's.

Keep in mind this is more about health then fat loss, they all have the same amt of calories.

[azfar]

If you can get mac nut oil go with that if not olive oil will be fine but I would avoid peanut oil because the high level of bad omega6's.

Keep in mind this is more about health then fat loss, they all have the same amt of calories.

but isnt omega 3 annd 6 considered to be good fat?

[Andre Gregoire]

Omega 3 yes, Omega 6 it depends...

[natenator]

our diets are too high in omega 6 to begin with so one needs to balance it out by eating foods higher in omega 3's or supplementing it.

[O-Train]

but isnt omega 3 annd 6 considered to be good fat?

I had a whole bunch of stuff written comparing n-3 and n-6 fatty acid intakes and the different amounts in various cooking oils...then I hit a button and my computer jumped back a page. I'm not writing it again but I will say that normally North Americans get too much n-6 fatty acids in their diet vs. n-3. That's why most people focus on increasing their n-3 fatty acid intake. They are both essential fatty acids but most people get a lot of n-6 and not enough n-3. I hate this laptop.

[Andre Gregoire]

Yeah what they said about omega 6's.

I said it depends because there are several fatty acids classified as omega6 and out of all of them only Gamma-linolenic acid is good the rest are pretty bad.

[juced_porkchop]

diet is all.
I use Lipotropic Protein drinks between meals to help with hunger.
also dont over cook oliv oil.
i add it to all the food i can but usually AFTER im doen cooking it.
like pasta sauces for eg.

[azfar]

Guyysss .. anyone know abt this protein ?
http://www.truscience.com/trutein.html

how come is it so cheap ? is it even any good ?

[macka]

Guyysss .. anyone know abt this protein ?
http://www.truscience.com/trutein.html

how come is it so cheap ? is it even any good ?

all hype, better off getting some from one of the sponsors here.

[macka]

diet is all.
I use Lipotropic Protein drinks between meals to help with hunger.
also dont over cook oliv oil.
i add it to all the food i can but usually AFTER im doen cooking it.
like pasta sauces for eg.

Also you want to have good, fresh, organic if possible ingredients to cook with. I buy a lot of halaal meats as most of them are organic and taste waaaaaaaay better.

[azfar]

all hype, better off getting some from one of the sponsors here.

Bro can yu explain me a bit how is it all hyped like they tell yu all blend info which is 4040 20 prety good

[azfar]

Also you want to have good, fresh, organic if possible ingredients to cook with. I buy a lot of halaal meats as most of them are organic and taste waaaaaaaay better.

Lol im Muslim so i have no other opt but to have just halaal meat ;)

[macka]

Bro can yu explain me a bit how is it all hyped like they tell yu all blend info which is 4040 20 prety good

with that price, they are cheaping out somewhere. You get what you pay for in the supp world. So its better to go with straight protein powder and use other sources to balance in your carbs and fats. I never use MRP's for that reason. I cannot be sure they are the best for me. So I go with a known company for my protein supplements and eat my carbs and fats usually raw as the less processing means better sources for your body to use.

[azfar]

with that price, they are cheaping out somewhere. You get what you pay for in the supp world. So its better to go with straight protein powder and use other sources to balance in your carbs and fats. I never use MRP's for that reason. I cannot be sure they are the best for me. So I go with a known company for my protein supplements and eat my carbs and fats usually raw as the less processing means better sources for your body to use.

bro i agree with yu on that but see im takin gaspari myo ri now for post w.o coz it has blend in it but they dont tell yu how much of each protein they have in it so i dunno may be gaspari is rippin us off too ?

[macka]

I don't buy into the "premade charge you more" postworkout blends. I can build my own using plain jane whey blend (80%) and my own carb sources in solid foods, and my own efa's as either liquid or cap form.

[azfar]

I don't buy into the "premade charge you more" postworkout blends. I can build my own using plain jane whey blend (80%) and my own carb sources in solid foods, and my own efa's as either liquid or cap form.

hmm bro i understand ok now i wanna make some good blend for after w.o like i already have nice sources of carbs(fructose,dextrose,waxy maize) for my post w.o but not enough sources of protein

[macka]

well whey and egg protein are the easy to digest sources. I personally use isolate post workout, and usually toss in some steel cut oats. I wash down 3 1 gram caps of CLA with the shake. Then about an hour or so later, I feed on solid food.To keep the whole anabolic process going, my last meal is usually 6 egg whites and 2 whole eggs poached. I buy free range eggs a gross at a time.

[O-Train]

well whey and egg protein are the easy to digest sources. I personally use isolate post workout, and usually toss in some steel cut oats. I wash down 3 1 gram caps of CLA with the shake. Then about an hour or so later, I feed on solid food.To keep the whole anabolic process going, my last meal is usually 6 egg whites and 2 whole eggs poached. I buy free range eggs a gross at a time.

Jeez old man...pulling out the 19th century unit of measurement terms. If you can, try to get a box that holds 180 (6 flats of 30). Would probably be easier to transport. Do you find the free range eggs taste any different?

[macka]

The box I buy holds 12 dozen, its called a gross at the farmers market, they just use old cardboard egg cartons of mixed brand. Yes they taste different, more flavour, and more filling (psychosematic?) to eat.

[O-Train]

The box I buy holds 12 dozen, its called a gross at the farmers market, they just use old cardboard egg cartons of mixed brand. Yes they taste different, more flavour, and more filling (psychosematic?) to eat.

Cool. I work with a lot of laying hens at the University. We feed some of them a flax diet developed by one of the researchers. I eat 50 of those eggs/wk. I don't notice a difference between those eggs and the ones getting regular layer/breeder feed but I can tell the difference between these eggs and the grocery store (in terms of freshness).

[azfar]

sorry after the reply to my comment i have no idea what you guys talkin abt lol

[O-Train]

[QUOTE=azfar;396701]sorry after the reply to my comment i have no idea what you guys talkin abt lol[/QUOTE

We were talking about eggs.

[tiramisu]

So 5' 7", 170 pounds, fasting 16 hours a day from Aug 30 to Sep 11.

No one mentioned that starvation is a crappy way to lose weight. You will basically burn off what little muscle you have and still be fat at the end.

Yes I realize you can eat before dawn and after sunset but for most of the day your body is eating itself. This is a recipe for skinny fat. About the only thing productive you could do during Ramadam would be to rest.

Going on a diet while you are starving your body is a wonderful way to make your body composition worse. Higher fat %, Lower Muscle %.

If you've been doing this silliness for a month you have prepared your body to put on fat after Ramadam. You've told it that you are starving for a month and when you actually give it food it will want to save as much as it can as fat on your gut leaving you worse off than when you started.

In 5 or 6 weeks when your body has recovered from this foolishness you will have less muscle and more fat than when Ramadam started at the beginning of August.

.... So to unwind this silliness you need to get yourself on a consistent strength program with an appropriate amount of cardio and a decent diet with the correct protein/calorie ratios for your weight. So that next year when Ramadam starts you can take 4 weeks off from your training and diet and call it a vacation because you can't do anything good while not eating 16 hours a day.

[azfar]

So 5' 7", 170 pounds, fasting 16 hours a day from Aug 30 to Sep 11.

No one mentioned that starvation is a crappy way to lose weight. You will basically burn off what little muscle you have and still be fat at the end.

Yes I realize you can eat before dawn and after sunset but for most of the day your body is eating itself. This is a recipe for skinny fat. About the only thing productive you could do during Ramadam would be to rest.

Going on a diet while you are starving your body is a wonderful way to make your body composition worse. Higher fat %, Lower Muscle %.

If you've been doing this silliness for a month you have prepared your body to put on fat after Ramadam. You've told it that you are starving for a month and when you actually give it food it will want to save as much as it can as fat on your gut leaving you worse off than when you started.

In 5 or 6 weeks when your body has recovered from this foolishness you will have less muscle and more fat than when Ramadam started at the beginning of August.

.... So to unwind this silliness you need to get yourself on a consistent strength program with an appropriate amount of cardio and a decent diet with the correct protein/calorie ratios for your weight. So that next year when Ramadam starts you can take 4 weeks off from your training and diet and call it a vacation because you can't do anything good while not eating 16 hours a day.
Bro im not neglecting the fact what ever you sayin may be youre right but right now im weighting 161 pounds lost 9 pounds of fat and igues some muscle my waist line went from 37" to 34".. i can still lift the same weights in the gym altough i have some decline in stregnth but thats coz of very low carbs in my diet .. and at the end yu told me something to do for a year and then assume ramadan is a month of holiday where i cant do anything, will that save me up from this trouble of putting fat back on ?

[azfar]

i have somethings to addd
1st things is your body adds up fat after your starvation coz it thinks its in starvation mode and theres no suffiecient food for human body but i do eat adequate amount of food twice daily
2nd is am not starving for straight a month.. if my body wants to put fat itll do right after when i break my fast and i dont eat like pig after fast
3rd is i fast everyother day not everday. so every other day i have normal amount of foood

correct me if im wrong anywhere plz

[macka]

well seeing that you fast eod you are still being hard on your system. Also I know what you guys have to party at night to break the fast. Well not everyone, but the one guy I work with eats candy like its his last meal.

[tiramisu]

i have somethings to addd
1st things is your body adds up fat after your starvation coz it thinks its in starvation mode and theres no suffiecient food for human body but i do eat adequate amount of food twice daily
2nd is am not starving for straight a month.. if my body wants to put fat itll do right after when i break my fast and i dont eat like pig after fast
3rd is i fast everyother day not everday. so every other day i have normal amount of foood

correct me if im wrong anywhere plz


The problem is you are making shit up that you would like to be true rather than what is true. It's nice that you would like every other day faster for a month to be a smart way of losing weight... but it's not. It's nice that you would like your body not to react to this type of bad dieting practice... but it will. It's nice that you think that eating every 12 hours will not effect your insulin/blood sugar... but again it will.

Do fat girls lose lots of weight by doing diets similar to this on a regular basis? Yes they do and the vast majority of them blow up to even fatter proportions with less muscle than they started with shortly after these ill conceived diet plans (within a year)

I'm sorry if this annoys you but the approach you have chosen has the highest likelihood of resulting in less muscle and more bodyfat than you started with than just about any other approach that you could select.

If I wanted to lose muscle and gain fat in the most efficient manner possible I would do exactly what you are doing.

Of course you, and you alone, are the exception to the fasting diet rebound problem because you are muslim and chosen by god.

[azfar]

The problem is you are making shit up that you would like to be true rather than what is true. It's nice that you would like every other day faster for a month to be a smart way of losing weight... but it's not. It's nice that you would like your body not to react to this type of bad dieting practice... but it will. It's nice that you think that eating every 12 hours will not effect your insulin/blood sugar... but again it will.

Do fat girls lose lots of weight by doing diets similar to this on a regular basis? Yes they do and the vast majority of them blow up to even fatter proportions with less muscle than they started with shortly after these ill conceived diet plans (within a year)

I'm sorry if this annoys you but the approach you have chosen has the highest likelihood of resulting in less muscle and more bodyfat than you started with than just about any other approach that you could select.

If I wanted to lose muscle and gain fat in the most efficient manner possible I would do exactly what you are doing.

Of course you, and you alone, are the exception to the fasting diet rebound problem because you are muslim and chosen by god.

woaah calm down man am not makin any shit up yur just pissing yurself =|

and whatever i mentioned there is just plained facts what i heard from bodybuilders like you .. yu did reply to my post but unfortunaltey you didnt prove if any of my point is wrong !

[azfar]

and i didnt purposely choose this way to lose fat if it wasnt ramadan i wouldve still eat low calories like normal ppl do and i do on alternative days ... so you shouldnt be adding me in those yo-yo type of people

[azfar]

well seeing that you fast eod you are still being hard on your system. Also I know what you guys have to party at night to break the fast. Well not everyone, but the one guy I work with eats candy like its his last meal.

well he decided to eat candies its not like bounded you have to eat candies and am not aruguin with anyone seriously you all ppl have more knowledge than me and what i mentioned before that was somethin i heard from one of you .. so if im wrong plz explain

[tiramisu]

good luck to you.

[azfar]

good luck to you.

Thanks :)

[macka]

When you are fasting, you are losing weight, however, you are losing muscle more so then fat. Why? Simply put muscle is easier to convert to energy then fat. You need to keep your muscles fed to burn fat, and fasting forces your metabolism to slow down, and use less energy. This in turn tells your body to grab the energy that was supposed to go to the muscles, and reroute it to keep the organs energised. It also releases chemicals when you eat, that tell the body to store energy as fat whenever possible. So even a short fast slows your metabolism, and affects your training.

[azfar]

i heard theres some bread for low carb diets ... anyone know what am talking about ? i really wanna have something along with my chicken breast to eat it with ... icant take it anymore LOL

[azfar]

i heard theres some bread for low carb diets ... anyone know what am talking about ? i really wanna have something along with my chicken breast to eat it with ... icant take it anymore LOL

anyone knows what is it called ?

[natenator]

It's called **** the hell off

[GYMBRAT]

:rofl wtf:

[natenator]

:rofl wtf:
Sorry , getting tired of reading the stupidity from this Moron

[gicantor]

anyone knows what is it called ?

ezekiel bread?

[GYMBRAT]

Sorry , getting tired of reading the stupidity from this Moron

**** no nate, that was awesome and made me lmao....thanks man I needed it

[azfar]

It's called **** the hell off

dude why not yu shut the **** up and let me get a clear view of everything i ****ing wanna eat alrii ? so yu simmer it down go ****in calm your ****ing nuts alrii ? peace

[azfar]

Sorry , getting tired of reading the stupidity from this Moron

by jugding from size of leg*dp am for sure an amateur who still learning so yu either give me a respect or please i beg you dont bother ****in reply dude to my post there are still people in forum who can help me achieve my goals :)

[natenator]

by jugding from size of leg*dp am for sure an amateur who still learning so yu either give me a respect or please i beg you dont bother ****in reply dude to my post there are still people in forum who can help me achieve my goals :)


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[Shortdave]

The problem is you are making shit up that you would like to be true rather than what is true. It's nice that you would like every other day faster for a month to be a smart way of losing weight... but it's not. It's nice that you would like your body not to react to this type of bad dieting practice... but it will. It's nice that you think that eating every 12 hours will not effect your insulin/blood sugar... but again it will.

Do fat girls lose lots of weight by doing diets similar to this on a regular basis? Yes they do and the vast majority of them blow up to even fatter proportions with less muscle than they started with shortly after these ill conceived diet plans (within a year)

I'm sorry if this annoys you but the approach you have chosen has the highest likelihood of resulting in less muscle and more bodyfat than you started with than just about any other approach that you could select.

If I wanted to lose muscle and gain fat in the most efficient manner possible I would do exactly what you are doing.

Of course you, and you alone, are the exception to the fasting diet rebound problem because you are muslim and chosen by god.


You do know that the whole "6 meal a day" diet plan has not been proven to be any more effective than a 1-2 meal a day diet plan right? The only real benefit to it is that it tends to curb binge eating and is generally easier for people to follow as they don't feel like they are starving and routine is good for most people. Results wise though, if a person can eat the right enough calories once or twice a day, (which many people can't) it's pretty much the same as eating lots of small meals throughout the day.

[GYMBRAT]

You do know that the whole "6 meal a day" diet plan has not been proven to be any more effective than a 1-2 meal a day diet plan right? The only real benefit to it is that it tends to curb binge eating and is generally easier for people to follow as they don't feel like they are starving and routine is good for most people. Results wise though, if a person can eat the right enough calories once or twice a day, (which many people can't) it's pretty much the same as eating lots of small meals throughout the day.

I read about that a while ago Sd, great news for the extreme busy oilfield folk

[Shortdave]

I read about that a while ago Sd, great news for the extreme busy oilfield folk


I've been doing it for a while now and I am currently leaner than I have been in a long while and I am still setting pr's.

I am still knocking back 4000 cals + a day, it's just split up into 2 convenient feedings.

[natenator]

I've been doing it for a while now and I am currently leaner than I have been in a long while and I am still setting pr's.

I am still knocking back 4000 cals + a day, it's just split up into 2 convenient feedings.
How do you Process that much food at once? By my count if following a 40/40/20 split is 1.5lbs of chicken, 3 cups of rice and a couple tbsp of olive oil.

[azfar]

You do know that the whole "6 meal a day" diet plan has not been proven to be any more effective than a 1-2 meal a day diet plan right? The only real benefit to it is that it tends to curb binge eating and is generally easier for people to follow as they don't feel like they are starving and routine is good for most people. Results wise though, if a person can eat the right enough calories once or twice a day, (which many people can't) it's pretty much the same as eating lots of small meals throughout the day.

+1

[azfar]

5 days to goo for a bulking phase again :) cant wait !

[GYMBRAT]

I've been doing it for a while now and I am currently leaner than I have been in a long while and I am still setting pr's.

I am still knocking back 4000 cals + a day, it's just split up into 2 convenient feedings.

I started it a few mths ago and enjoy it as it is a very simple way of getting ones food in in a day with a lot less thought really

[tiramisu]

The six meal a day thing is neither here no there but keeping an even keel on the blood sugar certainly is. Bulking on a few big eats is obviously possible. People have been getting fat on 1.5 meals a day for years. Trying to keep your blood sugar stable on a calorie deficit on 2 meals a day 12-16 hours apart on the other hand doesn't work so well.

[Shortdave]

The six meal a day thing is neither here no there but keeping an even keel on the blood sugar certainly is. Bulking on a few big eats is obviously possible. People have been getting fat on 1.5 meals a day for years. Trying to keep your blood sugar stable on a calorie deficit on 2 meals a day 12-16 hours apart on the other hand doesn't work so well.

Yeah the blood sugar thing is probably the biggest deal, and a complete fast during the day is definitely not ideal, but I am not bulking ( I am also not trying to get competition lean either) but I wake up have a big breakfast, go about my day sometimes throwing in some fruit or something if I start to feel hungry and then later I have a very large dinner.

It's not for everyone but it really works with how my body seems to want me to eat.

[azfar]

The six meal a day thing is neither here no there but keeping an even keel on the blood sugar certainly is. Bulking on a few big eats is obviously possible. People have been getting fat on 1.5 meals a day for years. Trying to keep your blood sugar stable on a calorie deficit on 2 meals a day 12-16 hours apart on the other hand doesn't work so well.

i dunno how you talking it but hows my blood sugar gonna rise when am on totally extremely low carb diet :S

[azfar]

my most of the carbs are like 60-40 dusk and dawn resp.

[tiramisu]

I'm also pretty sure I'd have a #$% of a time eating 300 grams of protein in 2 sittings. I suppose I could do it but it wouldn't be fun.

[azfar]

Today was the last day for the cutting phase, ramadan was over 3 days ago so i was eating like a regular person havent seen any weight gain yet !

Final results : Down to 159 lbs from 176 lbs waist : 37 to 34 Not much muscles lost except i see some minor mass lost from chest area :)

P.S the reason why i almost lost around 20 lbs was on some days i took some fat burner too ..

Its 37" to 33 " lol lost 1" since last measurement =|

[ScorpioChiq]

Providing all meals are balanced (P F C) to regulate blood sugar, I find that a cocktail of ALA and Glyci Med Forte (also known as Mediterranean Forte by Douglas Labs) twice daily is fantastic for reducing abdominal fat.

[azfar]

Providing all meals are balanced (P F C) to regulate blood sugar, I find that a cocktail of ALA and Glyci Med Forte (also known as Mediterranean Forte by Douglas Labs) twice daily is fantastic for reducing abdominal fat.
hmmm gonna think abt it again after two months of bulking

[baza]

http://www.leangains.com/ will argue you that you need six meals per day. It's fasting diet that doesn't use bro science. Now I dont' agree with everything but he writes some good stuff.
Personally I don't feel like eating 2000+ calories in 2-3 meals in a few hours.

[clicker666]

http://www.leangains.com/ will argue you that you need six meals per day. It's fasting diet that doesn't use bro science. Now I dont' agree with everything but he writes some good stuff.
Personally I don't feel like eating 2000+ calories in 2-3 meals in a few hours.

It's not really that hard when cutting, just skip breakfast really. Stop eating around 8 pm. It makes it easier to have a decent sized supper with the family.

[baza]

I have done six meals a day for almost ten years now, even if I'm not going to the gym for whatever reason. It would be a hard switch for me, though one day I would like to try it.

[azfar]

6 lbs up in 6 days =|..... seems like for me i gain weight fast ... and lose it fast... might go for 6 week bulk and 3 week cut ratio

[SteveMan]

It's not really that hard when cutting, just skip breakfast really. Stop eating around 8 pm. It makes it easier to have a decent sized supper with the family.

Skipping breakfast is never a good idea. Do a bit of research on it.

[clicker666]

Skipping breakfast is never a good idea. Do a bit of research on it.

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked (http://t.co/HHSKLI8)

A few studies cited in there. Research.

[SteveMan]

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked (http://t.co/HHSKLI8)

A few studies cited in there. Research.

Sweet article man.

If thinking from strictly a logical perspective, weighing the pros and cons of skipping breakfast, or skipping a meal later in the day, such as the last meal of the day, it's clear to me that skipping breakfast is not the best choice of the two for many reasons. Just looking at the detrimental mental effects of skipping breakfast is good enough for me. My mental focus goes and mood are shitty if I don't eat breakfast which just puts a bad start on the day for me. If my mental game is not right then I can expect to have a brutal workout. I see the same trend in my clients.

The other issue I see with skipping breakfast is it can lead to being over hungry, which messes with satiety signals and can cause overeating or snacking on shitty foods etc.

The article makes a good point in explaining that insulin sensitivity is not high because it's the morning, but because of a fasting period thus causing low liver glycogen levels. This being said, insulin sensitivity will stay heightened until the body is fed. Many people I talk to think you have an hour to eat in the morning to take advantage or your screwed.

Looking at the cons of skipping breakfast just to cut cals does not make sense to me. I am sure some people can do it successfully though.

[macka]

You really aren't skipping breakfast, just delaying it. After 12 hours of not eating for most people, they will just go down hill as their body has sent the fill my belly signal which sends signals to the brain making you feel shitty until that is signal is shut off.
You can trick the signal for a bit by loading up on water and tripping the full signals, so your brain stops making your body feel shitty. I do my morning cardio on just water, then when I am done I have a protein smoothy or some scrambled eggs depending on the time I have available.
I have noticed to it took some time for my body to adjust to my eating time, but now I feel OK doing cardio on essentially an empty belly. I also noticed my main large meals have adjusted to earlier in the day and pretty much anything after meal 3 is a little bigger then a snack.

[epascal]

Belly fat that is hard to lose is the tightly packed belly fat that grows around your abdominal organs and liver. Belly Fat reduce by cardio exercises.