Competitor Titles under names...

[ironwill]

National level bodybuilder etc...
I asked MP to not have a title under my name until i can get qualified by being in a permanent BY situation whereas i wont have to compete ever again as a novice, and Only @ provincial level for good...

I personally feel its a bit of an injustice to those that have done the work and do have a by to the next level forever.....
What is your folks feelings on someone placing top 5 and getting a yr by to the provincial level, or national level , or top 3 and get a 2 yr by ,but may have to re-qualify again in future, and having the title under their handle, yet arent perma qualified to be in the next level....
Nothing against anyone at all, im just wondering if anyone else feels it is an injustice to those that are perma-qualified for the next level??
Hope that makes sense, something ive been thinking about with the flurry of red going on as of late!!!:)

[bigtavi8]

I definitly get what you are saying here. In using my own title as an example. I am considered a national level bb but only for this year and next. I didnt qualify for life to nationals so this is what the question is. Should i be able to rightfully say im a national level BB if i dont have a lifetime bye at that level and could be bumped back down to the provincials if i dont get top 5 in the nats.

[Delt King]

Only overall provincial winners have lifetime by's to Nationals or Class winners at Nationals are also given permanent by's.
hmmm i'm thinking there won't be many of those guys on the board on a regular basis contributing to the good of the community.
Once your qualification time ends however you should have your title downgraded if you weren't able to keep up with the big dogs.

[natenator]

One of the reasons why I actually liked the tier system in Ontario. Made sure people had to pay their dues. You have people who are now placing at the regional qualifier show that get "provincially qualified" status whereas in the old tier system I suspect most of them wouldn't place in L2.

I personally feel just because you placed in a regional show does not make you a legit provincially qualified competitor and therefore user titles here should find a way to reflect that somehow because in my opinion it's misleading unless you have the calibre of physique to justify it. I hear what you're saying IW.

[ironwill]

Only overall provincial winners have lifetime by's to Nationals or Class winners at Nationals are also given permanent by's.
hmmm i'm thinking there won't be many of those guys on the board on a regular basis contributing to the good of the community.
Once your qualification time ends however you should have your title downgraded if you weren't able to keep up with the big dogs.

Thats kind of what i was meaning, are the titles going to change back??
I thought if you won your class at provincials there was also a lifetime by??
I mean no disrespect at all, and not meaning anyone in particular, i was just curious what anyone else thought on this...

[steve_d]

The only thing I question with this: the only people who would have a national lifetime bye would be those who WIN nationals in their weight class (or who have won the overall title at provincials in most provinces). So with Ironwill's logic, only national "champions" would be entitled to this label. ***edit: DK beat me to it...

If you place top 5 at nationals, you do not have lifetime national status...only national status until you place out of top 5. So I think bigtav, and myself for example are "national level" and we are at national level until we fail to place top 5 at nationals, or until our "bye/byes" expire. If however I were to place top 5, it simply means I can do nationals again without going down a level. Still not lifetime bye, yet still national level.

The only thing that could be added would be "national champion" to distinguis between those with lifetime byes.

But I do get what your saying - there could be a difference in someone who is national level by establishing that status in the top 5 at nationals, versus placing top 5 at provincials...

The other thing, if you place 6th at nationals, don't you consider yourself to be a "national level athlete" even though you are not necessarily qualified to do so again without requalifying...Too much technicalities for me...I'd rather just leave it as is.

BTW: DK beat me to it...

[ironwill]

The only thing I question with this: the only people who would have a national lifetime bye would be those who WIN nationals in their weight class (or who have won the overall title at provincials in most provinces). So with Ironwill's logic, only national "champions" would be entitled to this label.

If you place top 5 at nationals, you do not have lifetime national status...only national status until you place out of top 5. So I think bigtav, and myself for example are "national level" and we are at national level until we fail to place top 5 at nationals, or until our "bye/byes" expire. If however I were to place top 5, it simply means I can do nationals again without going down a level. Still not lifetime bye, yet still national level.

The only thing that could be added would be "national champion" to distinguis between those with lifetime byes.

But I do get what your saying - there could be a difference in someone who is national level by establishing that status in the top 5 at nationals, versus placing top 5 at provincials...

The other thing, if you place 6th at nationals, don't you consider yourself to be a "national level athlete" even though you are not necessarily qualified to do so again without requalifying...Too much technicalities for me...I'd rather just leave it as is.
Good post, maybe that would be a good addition, national level champion, to distinguish the difference between guys, say like, slin shady, Ron partlow, p22, Praetorian, and others that are perma qualified....
Im not asking to change anything, just wondering how anyone else viewed it....

[Delt King]

Good post, maybe that would be a good addition, national level champion, to distinguish the difference between guys, say like, slin shady, Ron partlow, p22, Praetorian, and others that are perma qualified....
Im not asking to change anything, just wondering how anyone else viewed it....

Good point there, if you won your class at nationals or an overall at provincials there should be an upgraded status.

Like MP doesn't have enough work he's doing on the board lol.;)

[Delt King]

One of the reasons why I actually liked the tier system in Ontario. Made sure people had to pay their dues. You have people who are now placing at the regional qualifier show that get "provincially qualified" status whereas in the old tier system I suspect most of them wouldn't place in L2.

I personally feel just because you placed in a regional show does not make you a legit provincially qualified competitor and therefore user titles here should find a way to reflect that somehow because in my opinion it's misleading unless you have the calibre of physique to justify it. I hear what you're saying IW.

Having worked my way through the old tier system, i totally get what you mean. But what can we do, they changed the system to be more inclusive.

[Delt King]

As a class winner in Ontario like Steve, we've got 2 byes to be used anytime we want...could be 10 years from now. so don't take away my status anytime soon...lol


The only thing I question with this: the only people who would have a national lifetime bye would be those who WIN nationals in their weight class (or who have won the overall title at provincials in most provinces). So with Ironwill's logic, only national "champions" would be entitled to this label. ***edit: DK beat me to it...

If you place top 5 at nationals, you do not have lifetime national status...only national status until you place out of top 5. So I think bigtav, and myself for example are "national level" and we are at national level until we fail to place top 5 at nationals, or until our "bye/byes" expire. If however I were to place top 5, it simply means I can do nationals again without going down a level. Still not lifetime bye, yet still national level.

The only thing that could be added would be "national champion" to distinguis between those with lifetime byes.

But I do get what your saying - there could be a difference in someone who is national level by establishing that status in the top 5 at nationals, versus placing top 5 at provincials...

The other thing, if you place 6th at nationals, don't you consider yourself to be a "national level athlete" even though you are not necessarily qualified to do so again without requalifying...Too much technicalities for me...I'd rather just leave it as is.

BTW: DK beat me to it...

[O-Train]

Good post, maybe that would be a good addition, national level champion, to distinguish the difference between guys, say like, slin shady, Ron partlow, p22, Praetorian, and others that are perma qualified....
Im not asking to change anything, just wondering how anyone else viewed it....

I've been thinking about this lately too. I'll be totally honest. I've seen Level 1 shows in Ontario (with the old system) that had a higher calibre of athletes than some provincial competitions in other provinces. There is a huge difference between guys competing for the overall at Nationals than some guys who are qualified for Nationals. I think (at minimum) national level competitors should have to compete at Nationals. If it were up to me National level would mean placing at Nationals. Provincial level would be placing at provincials...not just qualifying to go. Maybe add the province they compete in too.

I think it may give more meaning to the titles but it's just my opinion.

[ironwill]

I like Steve,:gayfight

I know, i can tell!.......jk/jk:p

[MuSuLPhReAk]

First reaction to this would be that it would take me way too much work to make sure each user has the proper title at all times. This can be an option if I can get some people to help me regulate this. You have no idea how time consuming it can be to research everyone and get the correct information, shows, pics etc.

Those that have National Level Competitor and haven't done the show yet assured me they will do it. 69C, Dryvrgrl, DK, Bigtavi. And 3 of them are doing the Nationals this year and one next year.

Now what my main goal was with the user titles was to give recognition to those how have achieved a certain status. Example if you went to the Nationals, then that would stay even though you decide not to compete for a few years and lose that status. You would still have the knowledge and history to know how to prepare for that level. Yes, with age doesn't mean you can do it again but you did so that recognition was what I was looking to give.

But I do see your point of view IW. As always I don't set anything in stone and like to work with all of you to improve where we can improve. I am open to keep the titles up to date if people are willing to help me keep them current. Maybe each organization, example, MABBA, ABBA, OPA can have someone who is close to it (a competitor or someone close to the organization) keep things current for members competing in that organization.

I would go as far to open up the doors to any of the promoters of an organization so they can promote their shows on the site and keep things current in return.

For now, I will continue it like this unless someone wants to step up.

I will be doing a complete update of all the National Level profiles after the Nationals are over. This will include the IFBB pro shows that a competitor did this year and any new shows that a National Level competitor has done, even if they went back to do a provincial level show.

The site has changed dramatically in the last year and has become a valuable resource for a lot of people. Where we can improve, I'm willing to work with all of you on it. I dedicate a lot of my time to the site and bringing info here that is relevant to the community and to competitors. I am looking for a way to bring on total newbies here without them feeling intimidated by the level of knowledge from all the competitors. The red user titles are my way of letting people know that they are reading a post from someone who has taken it to the stage. Not saying that someone who doesn't have a user title in red isn't as knowledgeable or maybe even more. But someone with actual experience would probably be able to be more accurate when it comes to contest preparation techinques. Especially when you see posts from a national level competitor or an IFBB pro.

Again, I am open to taking it a bit further to keep things current but need help on it.

[wrought]

FiNow what my main goal was with the user titles was to give recognition to those how have achieved a certain status. Example if you went to the Nationals, then that would stay even though you decide not to compete for a few years and lose that status. You would still have the knowledge and history to know how to prepare for that level. Yes, with age doesn't mean you can do it again but you did so that recognition was what I was looking to give.

This is the important thing to consider, a lot of guys compete regularly for a few years, do the nationals and then decide that doing a show or two every year isn't where they want to focus their life. They still train and live the lifestyle but family, work, etc. starts to take precedence...however that doesn't negate the years of experience these people bring to the board and I don't see an issue with recognising that.

[koi]

This is the important thing to consider, a lot of guys compete regularly for a few years, do the nationals and then decide that doing a show or two every year isn't where they want to focus their life. They still train and live the lifestyle but family, work, etc. starts to take precedence...however that doesn't negate the years of experience these people bring to the board and I don't see an issue with recognising that.

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I like seeing what you guys/girls have achieved

[Andre Gregoire]

This is the important thing to consider, a lot of guys compete regularly for a few years, do the nationals and then decide that doing a show or two every year isn't where they want to focus their life. They still train and live the lifestyle but family, work, etc. starts to take precedence...however that doesn't negate the years of experience these people bring to the board and I don't see an issue with recognising that.

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[Dryvrgrl]

Good post, maybe that would be a good addition, national level champion, to distinguish the difference between guys, say like, slin shady, Ron partlow, p22, Praetorian, and others that are perma qualified....
Im not asking to change anything, just wondering how anyone else viewed it....

and Leigh !! She's perma qualified too! ;)

I like having the title of highest level achieved!.. but I think adding a "Champion" level on top of a "competitor" level might be an option!..
example.. Leigh won provincial overall..
Ms_moneypenny
Provincial Bodybuilding Champion
National Level Competitor

I mean, Im doing Nationals in 2 weeks, but there are alot of members on the board with far greater knowledge and achievement than I have... (maybe not with handstands!! lol but with working out) and it's a quite the stretch of the imagination to assume I'm on par with Leigh...