Hows this Look?

[Preacher]

Please let me know how this cycle looks, i'm looking to add lean muscle only. As I have cleaned up my diet last few months I have droped 20lbs

STATS:
202lbs. 5'8. 12.6%BF

Apox.: 12-14 week Cycle

80mg Ephedrine/day
40mcg Clen/day (slowly increasing amout)
25mg Dbol
Test Enthanate 600mg/week
Tren Ace 120-160mg/week (40mg every 2 days)

I will be rainsing the clen every 3 days or so up to 150mcg or until the sides get too great...

Tren Ace will be added after the 5th week or so

[RJ*]

i like it
that much effy would kill me thogh
esp with tren man AND clen
that part is nuts

[IronRobi]

Ephedrine and Clena are both beta agonists and I would never recomend to anybody to be taking 80mg ephedrine with upwards of 150mcg of Clen and never for 12-14 weeks. They both have the same stimulation and taking them together can be extremely dangerous. Not to mention that the body will adapt over such a long period of time. For best results use Clen alone 2-3 weeks on, 2-3 weeks off and gradually increase your dosages as you originally planned until you start shaking or hit your 150mcg goal.

I'm assuming since you are adding the Tren Ace on the 5th week that the DBol is only going to be used for the first 4? I would start the Tren earlier since it takes a good 3 weeks for it to start kicking in, which would put you at week 7 of your 12 week cycle.

What's your cycle history?

[tarnow]

My dick would turn into an innie on that much ephedrine.

[leeroy]

alternate your clen and ephidrine every 2 weeks and drop the ephi to a bit lower. Increase your tren to 50mg at least.

The rest looks good to me.

[Preacher]

Sorry guys I should have been more precise with my time line.... the only thing i'm running 14 + weeks is the Test....

80mg Ephedrine/day
40mcg Clen/day (slowly increasing amout) This will be tappered up over 3 weeks then off for 2-3
25mg Dbol Will only run for a MAX of 5 weeks and will try to get it to 50mg/day
Test Enthanate 600mg/week
Tren Ace 120-160mg/week (40mg every other day, as its 40mg/ml) added the 5th week and will run 6 weeks +)

The Tren is the only thing i'm not sure of how I will react....

[Preacher]

alternate your clen and ephidrine every 2 weeks and drop the ephi to a bit lower. Increase your tren to 50mg at least.

The rest looks good to me.

Ya sounds good, was think the same thing as I don't like to look like i'm in detox :friday

BUT as IronRobi said there are both beta agonists... So would the body stop reacting to the clen if I cycle Ephy inbetween?

[Preacher]

My dick would turn into an innie on that much ephedrine.

thanks to the test and Cyalis its hard as a rock.....

[IronRobi]

alternate your clen and ephidrine every 2 weeks and drop the ephi to a bit lower. Increase your tren to 50mg at least.

The rest looks good to me.

Absolutely not! Since they both have the same effects on the body, it will adapt and eventually will be useless. The in-between time don't run any at all, that way when you hit your next 2 weeks it'll have the best possible results.

Preacher, sounds like you've got the right idea. Just drop the ephedrine completely and run your clen with a complete break in between. Both together can be really dangerous and there isn't a whole lot of point running them both. DBol and Test look good. :yeah If you have more Tren I'd start it a bit earlier, if not it's not the end of the world but keep in mind you won't feel it instantly so you'll have the period between when the dbol ends and the tren starts working for you. If you're unsure how you are going to react it's best to start with a smaller dosage. 40 eod is still going to have some results. Tren is a powerfull drug. Going with Acetate for the first time is a good idea if the sides become unbearable it will clear from your system faster than Tren E.

[Preacher]

Thanks IronRobi....

I do have enough Tren to start sooner... maybe around week 2 or 3? should i run the Tren a little longer also....

the reason for picking the Tren ace was incase I can't handle the sides.... easy in easy out....

thanks again guys.....

[O-Train]

Ephedrine and Clen are quite different. Its like comparing a sledgehammer to a ball peen hammer. Similar since they're both hammers but clen is a Beta 2 agonist (only). Ephedrine acts on lots of different receptors but also acts on the beta 2 receptors. So cycling between clen and ephedrine isn't optimal. Benedryl would help by slowing the beta receptor down regulation. I would run something like ECA or clen but not both.

[Houstonbc]

i would still add the tren ace at the 5th week man i wouldnt run it longer than 6 weeks either people do it all the time but i wouldnt. Tren acetate has an active life of 2-3 days only so its in your system almost immediately like test prop

[AlbertaBeef]

Ketofin & Benadryl are supposed to help refresh B2 receptors that clen downregulates, that brings the body temp back to normal after a few weeks.

[IronRobi]

Similar since they're both hammers but clen is a Beta 2 agonist (only). Ephedrine acts on lots of different receptors but also acts on the beta 2 receptors. So cycling between clen and ephedrine isn't optimal. Benedryl would help by slowing the beta receptor down regulation. I would run something like ECA or clen but not both.

Great post! This is exactly the reason why not to use one as a "bridge" to the other. I was just trying to keep it simple ;) The best way to keep the effectiveness going longer is to use t3 with it to help increase the total number of b-receptors so the clen will have more b2-receptors to interact with.

Preacher: The only reason I'm suggesting starting the tren a little earlier is because you won't notice it after the first shot. Starting it right after your dbol, you'll notice for a small period your gains may slow down and then skyrocket again. I'm not saying it's bad, it would just be my personal preference. For me, that "in-between" period would mess with my head, and when something messes with my head while i'm on tren it's not pretty :laugh

My opinion, start your Tren around week 3 since you have enough. This way when you stop your dbol you'll be noticing the effects of the tren and your gains should stay relatively steady throughout. If you do happen turn into a sweaty angry raging beast who cries at horror movies (don't ask...) then you can discontinue the tren and it should be mostly out of your system within a few days and you can carry on with test only.

[Roid Pimp]

Again we come back to over thinking things.
Dude, try running 1000-1200 test cyp or eth/week and 100 tren eod. You will get way better results, have better gains and your heart and kidneys will like you way better. You can do all that in 4 injects a week. and if your stick on dbol do 3-4 1hr b4 you work out. thats all you need.

[IronRobi]

Again we come back to over thinking things.
Dude, try running 1000-1200 test cyp or eth/week and 100 tren eod. You will get way better results, have better gains and your heart and kidneys will like you way better. You can do all that in 4 injects a week. and if your stick on dbol do 3-4 1hr b4 you work out. thats all you need.

While your at it why not throw in a couple grams of deca and eq too? More is not always better bro. Maybe you need 1 gram + of test per week and have been cycling for 20 years, but not everybody is going to want to run out and use almost 2 grams of gear per week, it's too much for most.

[Roid Pimp]

While your at it why not throw in a couple grams of deca and eq too? More is not always better bro. Maybe you need 1 gram + of test per week and have been cycling for 20 years, but not everybody is going to want to run out and use almost 2 grams of gear per week, it's too much for most.

That’s cool, but test will not hurt you like the other products that he was suggesting and i would not even run the tren but it sure looks like he is trying to harden up and tren will help. i don’t think with running tren he even needs the dbol. At 1000 test and 300 tren he is only cycling in 1300. Not 2 grams. Not even close. For someone who does not cycle much 1300 is not a "Huge cycle" by any stretch of the imagination. i would say that’s a basic cycle, especially at his weight. I would not recommend that for someone that is 150 lbs. If it’s huge to you, that’s your own fears. But it’s a hell of a lot safer than what he was recommending. Drop the test to 700 or 800 and run 300 tren. There. You’re at a gram. But he does not need all the other stuff jammed into the process is all i was saying.

I have been training people and cycling for a lot of years. I have the professional background and years of experience to feel comfortable in helping people loose there illusions about how many different products that they need to stack. All I’m trying to say is don’t over complicate things, that’s it bro. Everyone has their own opinions, mine just comes from 15 years of competing and training and seeing results...

[Preacher]

Roid Pimp, I like your thinking but let me see if the body even enjoys Tren first...

Thanks again guys for all the responses.... I may keep you posted if anyone cares....

Preacherman

[IronRobi]

Roid Pimp, I like your thinking but let me see if the body even enjoys Tren first...

Thanks again guys for all the responses.... I may keep you posted if anyone cares....

Preacherman

Sounds good bro, let us know how you make out!