Dihydroboldenone

[Body By Balco]

My current cyclo (<-- Freudian typo lol), cycle is this:

75mg Dihydroboldenone ED
20mg Fluoxymesterone ED
37.5IU HMG and 300IU HCG twice weekly


Wicked recomp! I am loving this cycle.


Dihydroboldenone is presented as the base hormone in a cyclodextrin complexation.

Yes DHB was sold under the absolutely stupid names of 1-Test, thank you Patrick Arnold for coining the term...prick. 1-Test (typically used as an oral preparation) has the association of being some lame assed prohormone. I assure you presented properly it is not. DHB is a cool little androgen right out of Vida, or endogenously from the administration of boldenone. DHB being 5a reduced.


This is not 1-Test Cypionate. This is the base hormone. 1-Test Cyp was literally fraught with difficulties, pain being primary, resulting in abandonment of administration, or a cycle lacking in any oomph due to such low dosages (coupled with the ~33% ester weight from the cypionate).


Here is to hoping to never hear the name 1-Test again, as this is accurately called Dihydroboldenone :)


What I really like is my mental state on DHB....stable. Daily administration and moderate dosing is aiding this stability, of that I am sure. I am past the days of heroic doses simply because of availability.

My strength is progressing nicely, although not as much as 100mg of Tren.

I haven't attempted a SC administration yet and I don't know why. It hasn't seemed palatable for some reason. IM use is pain free with the exception of ~40mins post injection for the first 7 to 10 days. There was a feeling of pressure at the injection sit. I have found this to be common with cyclodextrins.



This is the first cycle I have done in a while. I was clean whilst playing with Myostatin vaccines that I was designing and experimenting with. The repeated attempts to inoculate myself against an endogenous protein has thus far proved fruitless. It is difficult to trick the immune system into attacking a self made protein. Immunomodulation is the cheapest (and quite dangerous lol) method of semi permanent myostatin reduction if it is at all possible.......However I digress.

[Big D]

sorry BBB I love your post but this one went right over my head. :(

gonna have to re-read it a few times lol.

[PdH]

This is the first cycle I have done in a while. I was clean whilst playing with Myostatin vaccines that I was designing and experimenting with. The repeated attempts to inoculate myself against an endogenous protein has thus far proved fruitless. It is difficult to trick the immune system into attacking a self made protein. Immunomodulation is the cheapest (and quite dangerous lol) method of semi permanent myostatin reduction if it is at all possible.......However I digress.

Dude, how can you innoculate yourself in relation to myostatin. Would this not require some sort of gene manipulation? By the way, are you some sort of physiological researcher?

[ironwill]

I sure do enjoy reading BBBs posts......He has written some gems over the yrs.....I wish i would have saved lots of the old stuff from other sites....

[physique]

I sure do enjoy reading BBBs posts......He has written some gems over the yrs.....I wish i would have saved lots of the old stuff from other sites....

agreed! one of the smartest guys on these boards.

[natenator]

agreed! one of the smartest guys on these boards.
one of the craziest too. Who else hooked up an IV rig with Vit. C to recover from a cold? lol

[Delt King]

Interesting, you're the second person this week to talk this gear up. (the other guy was a meat head from the gym so i didn't take him seriously.) Time for me to do some reasearch.

[natenator]

Interesting, you're the second person this week to talk this gear up. (the other guy was a meat head from the gym so i didn't take him seriously.) Time for me to do some reasearch.
I have a feeling I know who you're talking about LOL

[z83]

Ace-031 ?

[Body By Balco]

Dude, how can you innoculate yourself in relation to myostatin. Would this not require some sort of gene manipulation? By the way, are you some sort of physiological researcher?

Gene manipulation is one thing, knockout out a gene in pre embryonic stages, OR adding a gene to facilitate say... follistatin doubling.

Next would be insertion of a follistatin gene via viral delivery in various stages of life including adulthood. The point being to inhibit the inhibitor (myostatin being the inhibitor).

None of this is capable by the home user. Creating antibodies via identification of an antigenic region of the desired protein is doable. Most instances of immune modulation are the inoculation of one species with an antigenic protein segment of a differing species conjugated to a non immunogenic carrier. The antibodies created are extracted, purified, categorized, etc etc. This is simple immune system manipulation. Using the exact same processes, this idea is to inoculate a human, with an antigenic region of human myostatin. Slightly more tricky, in that the body is very good at detecting self, or me and not me (not me being virus or anything foreign). Anyone with Google and a credit card and the ability to lie like a bastard can attempt this. Not every approach is going to be successful. Selection of the appropriate antigenic region, and carrier conjugate are key but do not guarantee success.


In short, the idea is to use the immune system to do work in eliminating, or disabling a protein via antibody production before the protein has a chance to do whatever it is that the protein does. The protein will still be made, the hope is that the immune system will mop it up before hand.


One could forever re-inject MYO antibodies produced in another animal, (which is where all anti bodies for science and medicine come from), for the entire time one wants to eliminate myostatin, Or one could try to get the body to produce it own antibodies and 'forgetaboutit'.

[Delt King]

MP you need to change BBB's user title from twirp to "resident genius"
Green for you bro.

[Body By Balco]

one of the craziest too. Who else hooked up an IV rig with Vit. C to recover from a cold? lol




...don't knock it until you try it. It was convenient that I had a poster bed and something to hang the IV bag from.

It sucked balls when the needle slipped out of the vein and IV fluid ballooned the skin on the back of my hand like parachute. LOL!

[fathead]

sorry is this a version of equipoise or something completely different? im lost

[#8]

Im lost too, but this guy has epic posts.

[L3]

i was able to keep up with post #1... post #2 made my head hurt

[natenator]

DHB is a cool little androgen right out of Vida

One of my most fav books.

[japh]

I've always figured if I don't know just ask.

My first question is this. Just to verify. Have you take a so called pro-hormone (DHB) and coverted into an injectable form with which can then potentially be taken orally as well still?

What would you compare its effectiveness and likeness to as far as another anabolic I could relate too?

Is this legal and easily achieved? Before anyone flames me for that question its NOT as stupid as it sounds. It very well might be legal and easily achieved. Besides you all want to know too. lol

[Body By Balco]

I've always figured if I don't know just ask.

My first question is this. Just to verify. Have you take a so called pro-hormone (DHB) and coverted into an injectable form with which can then potentially be taken orally as well still?

What would you compare its effectiveness and likeness to as far as another anabolic I could relate too?

Is this legal and easily achieved? Before anyone flames me for that question its NOT as stupid as it sounds. It very well might be legal and easily achieved. Besides you all want to know too. lol



Lets be very clear, I have not done anything in terms of converting anything to anything. I acquired and am using a steroid called Dihydroboldenone which is prepared as a water based cyclodextrin complexed solution.

DHB when taken orally has a low bioavailability. (google it) Many substances seemingly provide differing effects, or differing duration/intensity of effects dependent upon the route of administration.


DHB was never legal in Canada. DHB, sold commercially as 1-Test, was available for a period of time OTC in the US. I'm not really current on the US regulations. If it is in Vida and has a 4 ring structure composed of three six member rings and one five member ring, it was always Schedule 4 (or whatever) in Canada. There is no point in getting one's hopes up.


DHB does not aromatise, and is already 5a reduced so interaction with the 5a reductase enzyme is not an issue. Therefore metabolism to a more potent androgen is not an issue (unlike, for example, Testosterone).

Boldenone is hot but this shit is Playboy material, so it would seem thus far. LOL With boldenone some portion (likely very small) is reduced to DHB in vivo (obviously), so there are glimpses. Kinda like dating a hot girl and seeing her hotter older sister come out of the shower.


Everything mentioned here is easily found with Google (minus the sexy sister metaphor).

[japh]

Thanks BBB. I assumed too much and apologize. I kinda did have my hopes up. lol Thanks again for clarifying.

[O-Train]

i was able to keep up with post #1... post #2 made my head hurt

LOL. Don't focus on all the big words. He's basically just talking about causing the body to inhibit the effects of myostatin. Similar to how your body would respond to a disease you had already been exposed to. So the body would seek out and destroy myostatin making the person with regular myostatin expression appear to me myostatin deficient (and then able to synthesize much more skeletal muscle)...I think that's what he's talking about anyways :).

The idea is really simple but getting it to work would be challenging.

[IronMan]

Lets be very clear, I have not done anything in terms of converting anything to anything. I acquired and am using a steroid called Dihydroboldenone which is prepared as a water based cyclodextrin complexed solution.

DHB when taken orally has a low bioavailability. (google it) Many substances seemingly provide differing effects, or differing duration/intensity of effects dependent upon the route of administration.


DHB was never legal in Canada. DHB, sold commercially as 1-Test, was available for a period of time OTC in the US. I'm not really current on the US regulations. If it is in Vida and has a 4 ring structure composed of three six member rings and one five member ring, it was always Schedule 4 (or whatever) in Canada. There is no point in getting one's hopes up.


DHB does not aromatise, and is already 5a reduced so interaction with the 5a reductase enzyme is not an issue. Therefore metabolism to a more potent androgen is not an issue (unlike, for example, Testosterone).

Boldenone is hot but this shit is Playboy material, so it would seem thus far. LOL With boldenone some portion (likely very small) is reduced to DHB in vivo (obviously), so there are glimpses. Kinda like dating a hot girl and seeing her hotter older sister come out of the shower.


Everything mentioned here is easily found with Google (minus the sexy sister metaphor).


Amazing! lol Some very good information there. So does it also increase collagen synthesis and increase RBC count the same as Boldenone?

[hyperlite32]

Very interesting!

I am going to go look for this at my local GNC.

Didnt the "1-test" for oral use have a ester attched to improve bio-avail?

Also, everyone one here has heard of M1T.

From what I understand M1T = Methylated DHB?

If the DHB has cyclo attachment, then it could be used Sub Q as well as IM.

BBB, keep the info coming!

[Body By Balco]

Just for kicks and to provide some kind of personal measurement for the physiological effects of DHB as compared to some other steroid, I switched my cycle to:
150mg of Methenolone Enan and 100mg Oxandrolone per day from the

75mg of DHB and 20mg of Halo. ( I really don'k think the Halo was doing much)

My strength dropped like a sky diver with no parachute. Literally in free fall every work out. With DHB I was confidently slapping on additional weight 2 times per week per body part and always had a little room to spare. I actually lost the war with gravity and received a minor lower back strain trying to muscle (wiggle, jerk, buck, and otherwise squirm) up a squat that just wasn't going to go.

Yesterday I jumped back on 50mg of DHB (keeping the Methenolone and Var...why not), and today I feel better so much better. Energy is back up, mentally I feel refreshed and my libido is peaking its head around the corner again.

This round I am taking the DHB SC (SubCutaneously).


...I thought I would share my experience and add something constructive to the CBB pool of knowledge.

[hitmansb]

Thanks for updating with the comparative analysis. DHB sounds like a great anabolic...I'd like to try it sometime.

[macka]

in the injectable state does DHB change any renal test results? I'm curious as to its effect on the liver and kidneys. In a perfect world this sounds like what I need, as long as it doesn't monkey with my kidneys due to the infection I have atm.

[JonnyO]

How long were you on the meth enth for before switching back to the DHB?

[Body By Balco]

in the injectable state does DHB change any renal test results? I'm curious as to its effect on the liver and kidneys. In a perfect world this sounds like what I need, as long as it doesn't monkey with my kidneys due to the infection I have atm.



I wish I could answer that. I do not know.

[Body By Balco]

How long were you on the meth enth for before switching back to the DHB?




I started DHB mid June, and made the switch to Methenolone and Var just after the beginning of Aug, so ~3weeks.

[fathead]

BBB- couple questions regarding this stuff

1) if you had to compare it to equipoise in terms of dosage what would you recommend? ie would 50mg/day be similar in results to 500mg/wk equipoise? could you draw a parallel here so i would be able to gauge how much i would take (i know hoe much equipoise i would use)

2) are you experiencing any sides from it? should there be any sides AT ALL or stronger sides then taking equipoise?

thanks very much

[Body By Balco]

BBB- couple questions regarding this stuff

1) if you had to compare it to equipoise in terms of dosage what would you recommend? ie would 50mg/day be similar in results to 500mg/wk equipoise? could you draw a parallel here so i would be able to gauge how much i would take (i know hoe much equipoise i would use)

2) are you experiencing any sides from it? should there be any sides AT ALL or stronger sides then taking equipoise?

thanks very much


50mg per day of boldenone base, 350mg/week, is roughly the same amount of boldenone that 600mg/week of EQ (boldenone undecylenate) provides.

50mg per day of DHB isn't even in the same area code as far as my experience goes. EQ for me was never the strength builder that DHB appears to be.

The side effects at this dosage of DHB are nil (for me). With EQ I always had blood pressure issues, some pressure headaches, and the only times in my life I ever had nose bleeds.

For me DHB is a completely different drug than EQ.

My skin is clear, hair line is good, back hair is growing at an exponential rate however...lol. A little HMG, and I do mean little, really seems to keep testicular size in good proportion. IM injections are pain free, with some minor injection site pressure for about 40 to 60 mins post injection, SC injections seem to be going well (2 down, many more to go). There is an unusual mental freshness or alertness with DHB (again from my experience).



Perhaps the preparation is making a difference, and by that I mean cyclodextrin complexed, DHB is inside the cavity of the cyclodextrin molecule. Allow me to try and expand a little. EQ was a tolerable drug for me but with its share of side effects that made dosage escalation difficult. Other boldenone esters ranged from painful to damn near lethal. Boldenone suspension , along with hurting like hell, had the weird effect of making the muscle mushy and nonfunctional, yet cyclodextrin boldenone was a great preparation. Perhaps something along the same lines is occuring with DHB. Show me someone who injected 450mg of DHB Cyp (roughly the same weekly amount of DHB as 50mg per day of the base hormone). It couldn't be done, not for very long anyway.

[fathead]

im a little confused. you say in your books they are different drugs completely. you are getting NIL sides, are you prone to hairloss and skin issues? thats my concern personally and i dont have such issues with equipoise... any reason i should have them with dhb?

thanks again, im very interested in this compound

[Body By Balco]

im a little confused. you say in your books they are different drugs completely. you are getting NIL sides, are you prone to hairloss and skin issues? thats my concern personally and i dont have such issues with equipoise... any reason i should have them with dhb?

thanks again, im very interested in this compound




Only M1T (methyl DHB) made me lose hair - ALL over my head like a cancer patient. No other steroid has adversely affected my hair line.

Nearly all steroids have at one time or other presented skin issues for me.


If I were to guess, I would say there is a very high likelihood that you will not experience many adverse side effects from DHB prepared as I am using it. If you do experience unwanted effects, being that is it the base hormone, the cycle can be ended immediately.

The truth is that I cannot know if your precious hairline and pimple free posterior as going to remain that way if you use DHB.

[fathead]

ok so here i am again. after going outside of this board and doing some research im more confused then ever. could you clear up the following please:

when i google dihydroboldenone everything that pops up has (1-test) next to it, in your opening post you say this is NOT 1-test, could you explain the difference between DHB as you have it prepared and the DHB that is discussed on all these other boards and referred to as 1-test also (i know its not the old prohormone but is it a different version of 1-test?...)

is this basically a full on version of what a small amount of equipoise converts to?

a lot of what i read draws an analogy of dhb being to equipoise what DHT is to testosterone. if this is the case i would think hair loss no? or is this analogy only relating the conversion aspect and not the effects of that conversion?

would proscar/avodart work with this drug if hair loss was an issue/concern or would it be useless the way it is with dht drugs like winny?

thanks again, sorry to sound like a paranoid jerk, but this may be the perfect compound for me!

cheers

[pseclint]

very informative thread

[Body By Balco]

when i google dihydroboldenone everything that pops up has (1-test) next to it, in your opening post you say this is NOT 1-test,


Re-read the first post. Nowhere did I say DHB was not 1-Test. I only pointed out that 1-Test is a stupid name and should never be used to describe DHB.




is this basically a full on version of what a small amount of equipoise converts to?

Again, SOME portion of boldenone (from EQ...boldenone undecylaenate) will reduce to DHB via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. Not all of the injected boldenone...SOME.




a lot of what i read draws an analogy of dhb being to equipoise what DHT is to testosterone. if this is the case i would think hair loss no? or is this analogy only relating the conversion aspect and not the effects of that conversion?


Boldenone ==5a reducatse==>DHB
Testosterone ==5a reducatse==> DHT

Will DHB cause hair loss, not necessarily.




would proscar/avodart work with this drug if hair loss was an issue/concern or would it be useless the way it is with dht drugs like winny?


DHB is already reduced at the 5 position, the double bond between the 4th and 5th carbon is reduced to a single bond. Proscar is of no effect.

[IronMan]

What are the main benefits/attractions of DHB?

[IronMan]

Here is a profile I found on DHB.


Dihydroboldenone/1-Testosterone Profile

Pharmaceutical Name: Dihydroboldenone
Chemical Names: 17beta-hydroxyandrost-1-en-3-one, 5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one, 17beta-ol
Active Life: depends on the ester utilized
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio: 200/100

Dihydroboldenone, most commonly known as 1-testosterone, is a 5alpha reduced form of the steroid boldenone. This lack of 5alpha reduction with the compound allows users to administer it without suffering the negative side effects associated with this chemical reaction but also eliminates the benefits as well. Boldenone is not the only steroid that shares similarities with dihydroboldenone. In fact dihydroboldenone is chemically identical to the drug methenolone except for the 1-methylation that is apart of methenolone (1). 1-methylation was of course added to methenolone to make it more available when taken orally and thus dihydroboldenone is not efficiently utilized when administered orally, although it was once sold over the counter in tablet and pill form. Some of these over the counter preparations of the drug were done utilizing a delivery system similar to Andriol, i.e. producing an oil-solubilized product with dihydroboldenone. This would still not be a relatively worthwhile system of delivery to use however if one wanted to maximize the potential of the compound. Intramuscular injection is by far the most efficient method of administration to use as with most anabolic steroids.

As mentioned above, dihydroboldenone is structurally similar to methenolone and boldenone and less so to testosterone despite the commonly used name for it, 1-testosterone. For this reason some female athletes may be inclined to use the drug as well. The potential for development of symptoms of virilization still remain but are not as severe as with synthetic testosterone or other harsher drugs. This is not to say however that dihydroboldenone is a mild drug. To simplify the explanation of exactly what the drug is, it is to boldenone as dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is to testosterone. This would explain why the effects of the drug, both positive and negative, are so dissimilar to those of boldenone. Like testosterone and dihydrotestosterone, a portion of the boldenone that a user administers converts to dihydroboldenone. Also similarly, dihydroboldenone like dihydrotestosterone does not convert to anything else past that compound.

Dihydroboldenone, while not overly androgenic, is a potent anabolic. It has been demonstrated that the drug binds extremely well and selectively to the androgen receptor and stimulates androgen receptor transactivation of dependent reporter genes (2, 3). This equates to a drug that possesses the ability to stimulate significant muscle growth while not producing androgenic side effects. It has been shown to be by far more anabolic then such compounds as boldenone, nandrolone, and even testosterone itself. Obviously this is of great benefit to many athletes.

Anecdotally some users have indicated that post-injection pain with dihydroboldenone can become an issue for some. Diluting the drug with either another injectable drug or some other type of sterile oil seems to alleviate at least some of this discomfort. The type of ester used does not appear to negate this pain for the users that experience it however.

Indeed dihydroboldenone is available in numerous different esters. Cypionate, Ethyl Carbonate, Propyl Carbonate, and Propionate, among others, are all available for use with the drug. As always each does not offer any real advantages over one another other then the obvious differing active lives that each presents and the amount of time that it takes for the body to completely eliminate the drug from it (4). For the most part users will want to have their choice dictated by the injection frequency with which they want to deal with when using the compound, but of course they will also likely be limited by those that are made available to them.


Use/Dosing

As for the duration with which dihydroboldenone can be run, due to the mild nature of the drug extended use of the compound can be completed with little in the way of serious complications arising. There are no major issues with hepatoxicity or severe kidney stress and the effect it has on other vital health markers such as blood pressure is slight in the majority of users.

As for specific dosages used with this drug, the low end is primarily thought to be three hundred to four hundred milligrams per week for male users. Like all drugs this number will vary from user to user and also depends on how much of a dramatic effect a user will want to achieve with the drug. As for the highest doses that would be worthwhile for users to attempt, this again depends on a number of variables. Doses of one gram per week are not uncommon for some users with others attempting doses in excess of this. It will always come back to how much one is willing to administer and at what point do the positives of increasing your doses begin to be outweighed by the negatives.

For females the usual rules apply with dihydroboldenone as they do with other drugs. These are namely starting out with short esters if possible so that if side effects begin to become too severe discontinuation of the drug can begin immediately and low doses should be administered at the beginning of the cycle and can be increased once the tolerance of the user is gauged. Anywhere from twenty five to one hundred milligrams per week would be a good starting point for the majority of female users who have little to moderate experience with anabolic drugs.

As stated earlier, for the frequency of dosing with dihydroboldenone it of course depends on the ester used with the compound. Seemingly the most popular current ester to produce the drug with is cypionate. No matter what ester utilized however the same rules would apply as with any other drug in terms of the frequency of administration needed to maintain relatively stable blood levels of the compound.


Risks/Side Effects

As previously indicated dihydroboldenone does not aromatize and therefore estrogenic side effects such as gynecomastia and water retention are not a concern for users. This is partly due to the drug being incapable of 5alpha reduction. Also, androgenic side effects would also be extremely infrequent for most users as there is little in the way, in terms of attributes of the drug, to produce these. These include such things as acne and hair loss, although it appears to have the potential to cause prostate enlargement. This potential for prostate growth is actually similar in frequency and severity as with that of testosterone propionate (2).

With the positive aspects of the lack of aromatization associated with dihydroboldenone also come the negative ones. Fortunately these are primarily limited to such symptoms as lethargy, malaise and possibly a reduction in sex drive. These are caused by a lower ratio of estrogen in comparison to androgens in the body. For the most part however this effect is relatively slight and can be avoided with the use of steroids that do aromatize in conjunction with dihydroboldenone and thus restore a better balance in terms of androgens versus estrogen.

It also appears that the administration of dihydroboldenone may result in an increase in liver weight (2). This effect occurred when administering the drug orally but should also be true of the drug when administered via intramuscular injection. There is no research to indicate this however.

Other common negative side effects associated with the use of anabolic/androgenic steroids are still relatively mild with the use of dihydroboldenone. Of course suppression of the natural testosterone production of users will occur like with all steroids, however other side effects such as an increase in blood pressure, acne and others are comparably mild and often times non-existent in users, at least as they are directly related to the administration of this drug.

In terms of side effects for women, at moderate to heavy doses symptoms of virilization are likely. These can include such symptoms as clitoral enlargement, body hair growth and deepening of the voice. At lower doses however these side effects should not be a concern for the majority of potential female users.

[fathead]

yes ive read this profile on a few different boards. ive also read ones that contradict it in terms of side effects so im at a bit of a loss

[Body By Balco]

I just picked up these 1cc leur lock syringes from BD. There are the bomb. The plastic is very different from the 1cc insulin syringe. These are like a heavy duty industrial design. LOL!

Loading with a 20g, no heat required and then swap to a 30g for injecting, only takes about 1.5 minutes to completion. Because of the heavy duty design/construction of these beauties, I can put a little more pressure while injecting, my hand doesn't become tired nor does the plunger bend and flop around like it does with the flimsy insulin rigs.