contacted by RCMP

[youngmuscle]

So guys heres the deal. A rcmp officer showed up at my place today looking for me. I wasnt here. When i got home he had left his card with my roomate. I called to find out what it was regarding and he informed me they had sezied an order or steroids. A while back i had a smallo order get lost in the mail or what i thought was lost. Apparently they had sezied it but i was never informed of it, the pack was reshipped and got here fine.

I played dumb and didnt admit to anything on the phone I acted like i had no idea what he was talkiing about. He asked me to come in for questionning. What should i do right now?

[vakker]

go in, play dumb, leave.

[Memo]

unless you are under arrest, you do not need to answer any question. Tell him that only your lawyer will answer questions, if you are being arrested.

[youngmuscle]

I talked to my supplier. He said i have zero obligation to even go in for querstionnning and to not say anything. The amount was only very small and wouldnt warrant them getting a warrant obviously nor would it likely be enough to be called trafficing. I am just wondering if i should just act as ifd nothing happened and not go in at all.

[bigtavi8]

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[youngmuscle]

The thing here is that it wasnt an international order. It was domestic so why it would have ever been opened in the first place is beyond me.

And I havent seen any advice yet ever that saya its ever a good idea to fess up. I am just wondering if i should go in or go about getting a lawyer first.

[vakker]

The thing here is that it wasnt an international order. It was domestic so why it would have ever been opened in the first place is beyond me.

And I havent seen any advice yet ever that saya its ever a good idea to fess up. I am just wondering if i should go in or go about getting a lawyer first.

domestic and the rcmp came?

wow, lawyer up.

[tiramisu]

interesting. clean house. They have cause for a warrant.

They are almost certainly looking to arrest the supplier. You didn't say whether domestic or int'l. Assuming it's int'l based on them havig seized a package.

This is the first post I've seen of a police response to a personal purchase. Get the name of a good lawyer. When they come to "talk" to you, they may very well leave with you in hand cuffs and in the back of a police car. Arrested is not conviceted but it's a pretty likely scenario that when the police are looking for you that you are going to be charged.

Lawyer up RFN so that s/he can be on hand for your potential surrender/interrogation. Things will go a lot more smoothly with a lawyer present and on your own terms if you are arrested.

I'm sure most of us would like to know how this plays out. Customs doesn't generally bring the police to the door for personal orders of aas.

Get your lawyer, follow his advice and don't be a smart ass. The police can recommend all sorts of unreasonable shit. How they write up their reports has a significant impact on the prosecutors reaction in many cases.

[youngmuscle]

I know its totally insane. I was never given notice of the first seiazure and it was from a domestic source. It was a tiny order aswell, if it was a substantial order i would have understood

If they had enough for a warrant they would have already carried it out, they obviously did not. Its a peculiar situation all around.

[tiramisu]

Domestic. ... umm Oh shit. Domestic Orders don't get seized. Keep your mouth closed and bring your lawyer with you. Do not show up to see the police without your lawyer physically with you.

You may only be a person of interest or they may have decide you are a drug king pin. You don't have a clue what you are getting into.


Get thee to a lawyer before it rains shit.

[tiramisu]

Warrants can often take time. They may have it when they show up to "talk" with you. Due process often takes time. The warrant could show up today, tomorrow or a week from now. Don't kid yourself.

[youngmuscle]

****ed up eh? NEver heard tell of something domestic getting seized ever. And we are talking about 4 vials here thats all.

I am gonna wait and see what hapopens. If they show up at my place again I am simply gonna ask them if i am being charged and if they say yes i will ask for a lawyer. While I am waiting i am gonna get some advcie from a lawyer and see what they say regarding the situation

[tiramisu]

A couple of vials of testosterone isn't worthy of prosecution. They me checking an entire mailing list of the source you purchased from. They may just be doing a knock and talk but why the **** would they want to talk to you if so? Building a case against the supplier?

... I'd have my lawyer selected and on speed dial prepared to meet me at the police station.

[youngmuscle]

Yeah bro its a total mystery to me. Thery were already here to talk to me so they wouldnt have given me the heads up to say hey we are investigating you heres your chance to clean house before we show up lol. So i take it they arent getting a warrant.

Thery may just want to use me to get information. I do agree though that if i do go in i will have to get a lawyer or at least have one ready to call

[tiramisu]

It should be interesting to see how many people get a visit. The university of waterloo shit storm and the follow up newspaper article could have raised a bit of a shit storm.

http://sorebuttcheeks.blogspot.com/2010/07/canadian-press-investigates-online.html
http://sorebuttcheeks.blogspot.com/2010/07/two-more-canadian-football-players.html
http://www.theontarion.com/2010/04/waterloo-steroid-scandal-triggers-concerns-across-ontario-universities/

[rob66679]

Def go in and talk to them. They already know it was steroids and it was for you. So to play dumb may not do you any good. Im suprised they pursued you for a small order. Usually the customs would just black list your name sort of thing. In any case its the RCMP and have likely done invesitigating into you and everything about u. Id bite the bullet and be honest cuz they know anyways they just need you to admit it. I think if you deny it they may be able to charge you anyways because of the evidence then a bunch of legal battles would come of it.

Tavi.....Cmon man WTF?

If they knew then they wouldn't care if he talked or not.
Whats the first thing a Lawyer would tell him? To shut up and say nothing.
This is really bad advice with all due respect. Theres no need for OP to help the RCMP do their job. The RCMP don't decide guilt or innocence, the courts do.
If you really think that the Prosecuter is going to make a big deal out of something thats legal to posess anyway...........

I think Tiramisu's pretty much hit the nail on the head, IMHO if it was only 4 vials domestic then obviously the RCMP are after bigger fish and probably think they can get OP to roll on his supplier.
But then that almost doesn't make sense either, since the RCMP could probably just send for their own order......... pretty easy if its an open source.

Best of luck OP, time to get a legal opinion....

[GYMBRAT]

what province you from OP?

[youngmuscle]

Yeah man it was pretty bad advice I dont know alot but i know always to keep my mouth shut. 99% of the time its what ytou say that ends up incriminating you.

MY plan is to contact a lawyer see what they say. Till then i am gonna act like nothing happened and not go in. IF they come to my door I will ask if i am being charged in which case if they say yes i will request my lawyer and let them arrest me. If they say they are not charging me i will basically just shut the door.

the first order was even smaller so its weird this happened when so many people are ordering such large quantities.


And the source is pretty well known. They could have easily tried to place their own order. Non of this siutation makes sense. I am trhinking someone i know who was recently busted for a large large quatity who got off with nothing is now a narc for them and rolling on all those he knows uses.

[youngmuscle]

Way east coast bro. Far east as one can get

[tiramisu]

Get a lawyer on call tonight. Criminal lawyers answer calls at all sorts of hours and policemen work long shifts. There is no telling when you get your next visit if you don't arrange it on your own terms.
Sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away.

[youngmuscle]

Thats the plan. Here is another question. Say they show up at this second and i dont have a lawyer set up who i can go to immediately but they say they are charging me and arrest me. What is my riught here when it comes to seeking council?

[tiramisu]

You be extremely polite, do as they say, make no statement, and refuse to answer any questions until you have retained council.

In the event of arrest there is nothing that you can say that can have any positive effect on the outcome. Any deal/discussion/consideration will be between your lawyer and the crown. The policeman's job is to get a conviction and he can pretty much say anything s/he likes in obtaining one. Most people do a darn good job of incriminating themselves leaving your lawyer with nothing at all to negotiate.

[tiramisu]

... I'm not intending to scare you and I really don't know why they would be knocking on your door for a couple of vials. It's right up there with arresting you for a bag of weed.
BUT they did so you should treat the problem with respect.

[champion99]

you have no obligation to talk to them none what so ever...

they didn't catch you with products in your possesion or even at your residence ( anyone could of sent that to you )

the fact that it wasn't delivered to your house and no one signed for it and YOU HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF A PACKAGE COMING TO YOUR HOUSE OR EVEN WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT ..I would advice you do not go out of your way to make their life easy do not go there and talk to them..YOU DON'T HAVE TO ..If they show up all you have too say is " i have no idea what you are talking about " " I do not know anything about what you are talking about " "what package "

[tiramisu]

MP's Sticky on candian law as it relates to steroids
http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1278

So as non-schedule 4 first time offence the maximum penalty for possession could be 6 months and/or a $1000 fine.
Truthfully, the most concerning element is the actual felony conviction itself to most people. It limits travel and employment options.

I have yet to hear of anyone posting that they have been convicted of simple aas possession except where it was reduced from a charge of full blown trafficking and/or importation.
Please someone shout out if you have or know of anyone who has been convicted as the result of simple possession of aas in canada.

The crown is generally not out to ruin peoples lives for kicks and will generally plead these down so that a judge isn't force to rule a guilty verdict.
Keep in mind that a "suspended sentence" is considered a conviction as far as going to the U.S. and a narcotics conviction will put you on the banned list.

[tiramisu]

you have no obligation to talk to them none what so ever...

they didn't catch you with products in your possesion or even at your residence ( anyone could of sent that to you )

the fact that it wasn't delivered to your house and no one signed for it and YOU HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF A PACKAGE COMING TO YOUR HOUSE OR EVEN WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT ..I would advice you do not go out of your way to make their life easy do not go there and talk to them..YOU DON'T HAVE TO ..If they show up all you have too say is " i have no idea what you are talking about " " I do not know anything about what you are talking about " "what package "

... unless of course they know that the second package was delivered in which case they have you documented as a liar.

Do not respond to these types of questions. The only thing that you can do with a response is incriminate yourself.

[tiramisu]

Do NOT Talk to the Police Video - Professor James Duane - Note this is american so a couple of things don't apply - canadians don't have a fifth amendment and there is no such thing as entrapment. Canadian police have less legal constraints on them :)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865#docid=6014022229458915912

[Bomani]

Do what you think is the best however let me clarify a few things, warrants can be ontained 24/7 365... in Canada you do not have the right to have a lawyer present during questioning unless you are a youth. If I were you I would call my lawyer and have your lawyer speak with the officer then your lawyer can tell you whats going on. Just my 0.02 .

[tiramisu]

The world police and fire games were in Vancouver this year. There's plenty of serious lifters in both and a fair representation of them on this site. :)

[BAM]

Def go in and talk to them. They already know it was steroids and it was for you. So to play dumb may not do you any good. Im suprised they pursued you for a small order. Usually the customs would just black list your name sort of thing. In any case its the RCMP and have likely done invesitigating into you and everything about u. Id bite the bullet and be honest cuz they know anyways they just need you to admit it. I think if you deny it they may be able to charge you anyways because of the evidence then a bunch of legal battles would come of it.

^^ I disagree. Keep your mouth shut, go in and see him and play dumb.
(Make sure your house is clean beforehand)

If they had enough to arrest you, they'd just arrest you.

[tiramisu]

A police officer's knowing and a felony conviction are extremely different things. An admission of guilt or even a denial is something that you let your lawyer manage.

Bigtavi is clearly an honest man who has never been in trouble with the law. Do not play dumb/smart or anything else. Talk to the lawyer. FiveOh's advice on having the lawyer contact the RCMP is a gem worth remembering. It avoids, lies/truth/misunderstandings while still addressing the issue directly.

[monkey]

The only thing that can happen if you go talk to them. play dumb, smart or do whateer is putting yourself into a posiiton that may work against you.
You hae nothing to win and can only loose if you end up dealing with them without haing a lawyer present.
RCMP are professionals and trained in that sense and you are disadvantaged since you are not..
Why risk it. Get a lawyer and do not communicate with them directly.

Any other advice is wrong

[GYMBRAT]

priceless info tiramisu!!! good on ya bro!

and good luck OP

[tiramisu]

.... and I think the priceless advice was from FiveOh. Simple and direct. I won't forget it and hope I never need it.

[GYMBRAT]

Do what you think is the best however let me clarify a few things, warrants can be ontained 24/7 365... in Canada you do not have the right to have a lawyer present during questioning unless you are a youth. If I were you I would call my lawyer and have your lawyer speak with the officer then your lawyer can tell you whats going on. Just my 0.02 .

food for thought fore sure OP!

[natenator]

why are you asking people on a forum and not a lawyer? If the fact an RCMP officer wants to question you about your illegal activities hasn't got you lawyering up then I am not sure what will.

Lawyer up and stop asking questions. They have cause for a warrant which includes your computer and access to this board to verify what you've said.

[natenator]

Def go in and talk to them. They already know it was steroids and it was for you. So to play dumb may not do you any good. Im suprised they pursued you for a small order. Usually the customs would just black list your name sort of thing. In any case its the RCMP and have likely done invesitigating into you and everything about u. Id bite the bullet and be honest cuz they know anyways they just need you to admit it. I think if you deny it they may be able to charge you anyways because of the evidence then a bunch of legal battles would come of it.
Wow, I am not sure what's worse. The OP not lawyering up and coming on here asking what he should do OR you with this "advice".

gonna take a bit to digest which was more idiotic.

[Praetorian]

Tiramisu is 100% correct. DO NOT say anything, DO NOT be honest, DO NOT talk to the RCMP...ask if you are being charged if NOT then leave...if yes then ask for your right to a lawyer...and close your mouth...let the lawyer do your talking.
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[japh]

Their asking you to come in for one reason, to incriminate yourself. Their not there to find you innocent. lol They will try to trick you into saying something stupid so they can bring up charges. Having something sent in the mail is not enough. Think about it. I could ship illegal contraband to anyone randomly in Canada if I wanted. Doesn't mean those people would be guilty of anything. DO NOT TALK TO THEM. They'll either charge you or they won't. Don't say anything and I bet they won't. You don't even need a lawyer yet. Get one if you're scared and unsure though just for peace of mind.

[natenator]

Their asking you to come in for one reason, to incriminate yourself. Their not there to find you innocent. lol They will try to trick you into saying something stupid so they can bring up charges. Having something sent in the mail is not enough. Think about it. I could ship illegal contraband to anyone randomly in Canada if I wanted. Doesn't mean those people would be guilty of anything. DO NOT TALK TO THEM. They'll either charge you or they won't. Don't say anything and I bet they won't. You don't even need a lawyer yet. Get one if you're scared and unsure though just for peace of mind.
Yes, actually he does need a lawyer.

People who thimk they are smarter than the cops are all sitting in kingston right now...

[MMASTAR]

^^^ haha... very nice..

[vakker]

I could ship illegal contraband to anyone randomly in Canada if I wanted. Doesn't mean those people would be guilty of anything. .

unless the source got busted and rolled on all his clients, orders and all.

[japh]

Judging by his knowledge I agree with you that he should lawyer up just to be safe.

However if it were me I'd just keep my mouth shut and go on with my life. Its really that simple.

I wouldn't get a lawyer until I was charged and then talked to the crown myself and was sure it was going to go to court. Most people wouldn't do that though and would get a lawyer at the point of being charged. lol



Personally though I'd just save myself the money. Last time I got charged with a crime I called the crown prosecutor myself explained the situation and got everything dropped. No lawyer fees. Lawyers get 1500 hundred dollars just to write a letter to the crown. lol I'm a cheap ass though. lol Thats just me.

[rob66679]

unless the source got busted and rolled on all his clients, orders and all.

If thats the case I'm sure we'll be hearing about it, OP says its a well known source.

Still seems kinda funny though...... Its kinda like how the RCMP don't bother to chase down guys for smoking dope, unless they're after the grower.
Seems like the majority of the time they don't even bother to do anything if they catch a package coming in from abroad, which is odd because importing is arguably a bigger deal than obtaining domestic.

[japh]

They usually go up the ladder not down. Thats why they want to talk to him over 4 measly vials. lol

Oh ya, don't call your source using your phone. lol When you do call him get another number after that you can call him on thats not his to actually talk. He can then decide if he wants to dump his phone to be safe. Always better to play safe.

[tiramisu]

Judging by his knowledge I agree with you that he should lawyer up just to be safe.

However if it were me I'd just keep my mouth shut and go on with my life. Its really that simple.

I wouldn't get a lawyer until I was charged and then talked to the crown myself and was sure it was going to go to court. Most people wouldn't do that though and would get a lawyer at the point of being charged. lol



Personally though I'd just save myself the money. Last time I got charged with a crime I called the crown prosecutor myself explained the situation and got everything dropped. No lawyer fees. Lawyers get 1500 hundred dollars just to write a letter to the crown. lol I'm a cheap ass though. lol Thats just me.

He Who Represents Himself Has A Fool For A Client

[evoke]

Clean your house and hide the computer away from your house.
Plus, get a lawyer for sure.

[japh]

Haha yeah don't take my advice. I'm a fool for sure. lol I'm out.... time to go squat.

Hope everything works out for you.

[monkey]

I am kinda disturbed by the fact that we are even discussing what to do...

always thought its common knowledge to shut your mouth and get a lawyer.

[tiramisu]

If you have never been arrested and charged the whole process will come as a hell of a shock. It is designed to. It is not common knowledge and the vast majority of people incriminate themselves or others almost immediately.

The whole practice of discomfort and removal of control is extremely well studied. I especially appreciate it when they cool the interview rooms down till they are like walk in refrigerators and leave "interviewees" there for a couple of hours till they are shivering. Not quite water boarding but the police use every means at their disposal including uncomfortable positions, lieing, threats of violence, and mild hypothermia.

[monkey]

If you have never been arrested and charged the whole process will come as a hell of a shock. It is designed to. It is not common knowledge and the vast majority of people incriminate themselves or others almost immediately.

The whole practice of discomfort and removal of control is extremely well studied. I especially appreciate it when they cool the interview rooms down till they are like walk in refrigerators and leave "interviewees" there for a couple of hours till they are shivering. Not quite water boarding but the police use every means at their disposal including uncomfortable positions, lieing, threats of violence, and mild hypothermia.

yes.. you are right. Even as 16 year old,I knew to shut my mouth..but I guess to some people it might not be obvious...

[japh]

Thats when I ask for a blanket and pillow and go to sleep. lol

[rob66679]

If you have never been arrested and charged the whole process will come as a hell of a shock. It is designed to. It is not common knowledge and the vast majority of people incriminate themselves or others almost immediately.

The whole practice of discomfort and removal of control is extremely well studied. I especially appreciate it when they cool the interview rooms down till they are like walk in refrigerators and leave "interviewees" there for a couple of hours till they are shivering. Not quite water boarding but the police use every means at their disposal including uncomfortable positions, lieing, threats of violence, and mild hypothermia.

Yep.
Something anybody who does anything illegal should be aware of for sure. Throw some sleep deprivation in there too lol.
You will know what its like to have someone try to **** with you psycologically when its all over..... if you're a weak minded person, you will fold.
But you know what really gets them mad? when you don't talk at all, no matter what they do.

I think its 48 hours that they can detain you without charging you isn't it?

I know common sense isn't that common, but hopefully anybody who reads this thread will know that NO good will come of talking to the police if you're under investigation.

[rob66679]

Def go in and talk to them. They already know it was steroids and it was for you. So to play dumb may not do you any good. Im suprised they pursued you for a small order. Usually the customs would just black list your name sort of thing. In any case its the RCMP and have likely done invesitigating into you and everything about u. Id bite the bullet and be honest cuz they know anyways they just need you to admit it. I think if you deny it they may be able to charge you anyways because of the evidence then a bunch of legal battles would come of it.

Still trying to wrap my head around this one.
Wow.
If you watched one episode of any reality TV cop show......... the confession is the nail in the coffin........ nothing could be worse to your case....... if anything your Lawyer could get some leverage for a plea bargain..... unless you follow this advice, in which case you'd basically be at the mercy of the mood of the Judge on sentencing day.

Your basically throwing yourself at the mercy of the cops, who obviously are after some blood if they've already gone to this much trouble.
The only way you're going to get it is if you roll.
They're not going to sit you down for a father/son heart to heart about the dangers of AAS, after which you'd give each other a big hug and cry a bit.
Not an 80's after school special..........

[japh]

You know what else makes them mad?

Lets put this in perspective.

Its 4 vials.

He could march down there admit guilt and then dare them to charge him telling them they'll look like fools if they try and they know it. That they know as well I the crown will throw this out immediately and think you're a moron for trying to clog up the courts with this shit. Then say I hope it does go to court so you can look like a fool in front of the judge for wasting his time. Then laugh and say show me to my cell bitch.

I've done it and fingerprinted myself without their help. lol Then went and had a nap in my cell till the next morning. Worst part was I missed a meal.

DON'T TAKE MY ADVICE UNLESS YOU GOT HUGE BALLS. lol

[tiramisu]

You know what else makes them mad?

Lets put this in perspective.

Its 4 vials.

He could march down there admit guilt and then dare them to charge him telling them they'll look like fools if they try and they know it. That they know as well I the crown will throw this out immediately and think you're a moron for trying to clog up the courts with this shit. Then say I hope it does go to court so you can look like a fool in front of the judge for wasting his time. Then laugh and say show me to my cell bitch.

I've done it and fingerprinted myself without their help. lol Then went and had a nap in my cell till the next morning. Worst part was I missed a meal.

DON'T TAKE MY ADVICE UNLESS YOU GOT HUGE BALLS. lol

Do you really believe this shit or are you just looking for a humerous reply?

If you piss someone in the chain off they could very well take the extra effort to make it personal in which case you could easily be crushed by the full force of the justice machine. Most of the time the people who are managing the outcome of your future attempt to be ethical and professional. If you ever try out your advice you could find yourself falling down flights of stairs, in long detentions, with amazing lawyer bills and with prosecutors who suddenly have no interest in seeing your case fast tracked or dropped. Then you will have the final result of having a policeman and a prosecutor explain to a judge that you are a criminal, unrepentant, likely to reoffend and you are an asshole to boot. The judge hearing this will then proceed to **** you like you have never been ****ed before. :) funny enough?

[japh]

I have done it and I was being humorous.

Personal or not the cop is usually smart enough to not waste the courts time with such a small offense. Nevermind the paperwork. Four vials just won't fly in a court of law with a fellow who has no criminal record. Its a waste of the courts time as well as the crown prosecutor. Once it gets to that point the cop is out of it anyways until he's called to testify which he won't because it will just be dropped.

I understand its not the smart approach but it does take care of things fast and doesn't cost a penny.

I only took that approach one time because I was extremely angry and arrogant. I understand it wasn't the smart approach.

Their looking for a name, thats it.

I fully understand that all your advice has been correct and true and mine has not.

[baza]

Def go in and talk to them. They already know it was steroids and it was for you. So to play dumb may not do you any good. Im suprised they pursued you for a small order. Usually the customs would just black list your name sort of thing. In any case its the RCMP and have likely done invesitigating into you and everything about u. Id bite the bullet and be honest cuz they know anyways they just need you to admit it. I think if you deny it they may be able to charge you anyways because of the evidence then a bunch of legal battles would come of it.

This is why you don't take random advice you find online. lol
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I wouldn't even go in, I'd just forget about it. Wait and see if he calls back, I bet there's a good chance he wouldn't even phone back.
They obviously aren't charging you with anything, and don't have enough proof, or care to take the time to make a case against you.

[Body By Balco]

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[MuSuLPhReAk]

I'm going to let this thread ride. But I'll be reading with a grain of salt as it's OP's first post on the site and been registered since Dec 2008. Sorry OP, but it tends to look suspicious when it's someone's first post on a site and since there is a group of shit disturbing sources online who are great at manipulation, I tend not to trust too many unknown posters. My apologies if I'm wrong.
The U of W posts tiramisu made is what peaked my interest more than anything else. I noticed how it is the 2nd mention of it on the site and no one wants to talk about it. The media has been itching for something along the lines of the US war on AAS. They make a living off of it. One should take the time to see how many articles were written on that incident. A lot more than SBC posted. He posted the juicy ones only. But that incident filled up a lot of articles.

[budthespud]

I have done it and I was being humorous.

Personal or not the cop is usually smart enough to not waste the courts time with such a small offense. Nevermind the paperwork. Four vials just won't fly in a court of law with a fellow who has no criminal record. Its a waste of the courts time as well as the crown prosecutor. Once it gets to that point the cop is out of it anyways until he's called to testify which he won't because it will just be dropped.

I understand its not the smart approach but it does take care of things fast and doesn't cost a penny.

I only took that approach one time because I was extremely angry and arrogant. I understand it wasn't the smart approach.

Their looking for a name, thats it.

I fully understand that all your advice has been correct and true and mine has not.


Much to the Chagrin of many on here.....you are right !!
Unless it's 4 vials of crack or heroin, the police won't bother filing out all the reports and doing the necessary investgation and and seeking a warrant. They know that the perpetrator will most surely walk. Unless it rolls into other charges (probation breach etc...) I work in the justice system and have seen lots of potential charges dropped , especially pertaining to drugs . However, I wouldn't recommend calling out the arresting officer(s) and calling their bluff. Karma is a bitch !!:fb

[revolution187]

hey i have dealt with cops a fair bit and what i learned is "never voluntarily go in and talk to them" its a trick they will arrest u, if they want u that bad just let them come and arrest u. in canada a "small amount" of roids aint shit, all they do is take it away, if it was only 30cc(only an example) of test dont sweat it, but if it was like 10,000 tabs of anadrol then id worry, at this point they dont have enuff to arrest u and they would have if they had proof, they just want u to show up and fuk up by admitting it.DONT GO IN AND TALK, anyone on this board that says otherwise wasnt a shitrat like me when i was a kid so they dont know how to deal with cops that take juice anyways haha

[gingerbreadman]

Originally Posted by tiramisu http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.canadabodybuilding.com/forums/showthread.php?p=389207#post389207)
If you have never been arrested and charged the whole process will come as a hell of a shock. It is designed to. It is not common knowledge and the vast majority of people incriminate themselves or others almost immediately.



The whole practice of discomfort and removal of control is extremely well studied. I especially appreciate it when they cool the interview rooms down till they are like walk in refrigerators and leave "interviewees" there for a couple of hours till they are shivering. Not quite water boarding but the police use every means at their disposal including uncomfortable positions, lieing, threats of violence, and mild hypothermia.


yes.. you are right. Even as 16 year old,I knew to shut my mouth..but I guess to some people it might not be obvious...

Yup as an example when I was 16 I was green as the grass. Off-duty cop witnessed me spinning my Uncle's 340 Duster. The box on the steering column wound up locking against the aftermarket headers when I floored it and had it cut to the right wound up spining around on a guys lawn before I got it stopped. Cop was PISSED - real asshole. Called in three more cars put me in back seat of middle one with dome light on all three cars with lights looping around the houses 150 bystanders all looking at me as the guilty one. I had no idea what to expect. They interogated me screamed & yelled intimidated at one point thought one guy was gonna hit me 'till the others pulled him out of there. Asked if I wanted to make a statement. Stupid me said yes, just wanted them to cool down a bit. No lawyer.

I was nievely believing in the justice system to fairly decide my fate we had a good defence with pictures and mechanics testifying how the steering could lock up. To top it off once in court the cop told this whole new story of lies and then left the room without questioning. My jaw dropped to the floor. A cop lying?

One of the biggest lessons I learned in life cops aren't your friends and only one person can look out for number 1 and that's you.

Wound up with criminal record for dangerous driving 2 yrs lost license 100 hrs community work $ 600 to fix buddy's lawn.

[PdH]

I've done it and fingerprinted myself without their help. lol

Ok then John Dillenger, care to explain how you managed this? You just walked to the fingerprinting room on your own and went through the process without being disturbed right? What a hero. The thing that annoys me more than anything else is when people think I'm stupid enough to believe their outrageous bullshit.

I personally don't believe the OPs story for a minute. Why is he spending so much time explaining his situation and why is he on a BB board asking for legal advice? If your story is legit then I apologize, but it seems a little sketchy to me.

[natenator]

Ok then John Dillenger, care to explain how you managed this? You just walked to the fingerprinting room on your own and went through the process without being disturbed right? What a hero. The thing that annoys me more than anything else is when people think I'm stupid enough to believe their outrageous bullshit.

I personally don't believe the OPs story for a minute. Why is he spending so much time explaining his situation and why is he on a BB board asking for legal advice? If your story is legit then I apologize, but it seems a little sketchy to me.
Hence my comments. I don't believe it either.

NO ONE in their right mind goes on an forum to discuss what they should do when the popo come'a'callin! You talk to a friggin lawyer! lol

[ironwill]

I have done it and I was being humorous.

Personal or not the cop is usually smart enough to not waste the courts time with such a small offense. Nevermind the paperwork. Four vials just won't fly in a court of law with a fellow who has no criminal record. Its a waste of the courts time as well as the crown prosecutor. Once it gets to that point the cop is out of it anyways until he's called to testify which he won't because it will just be dropped.

I understand its not the smart approach but it does take care of things fast and doesn't cost a penny.

I only took that approach one time because I was extremely angry and arrogant. I understand it wasn't the smart approach.

Their looking for a name, thats it.

I fully understand that all your advice has been correct and true and mine has not.

Wheres all the humbleness and humility of which you normally preach to us, sounds like youre an arrogant prick to me, thats trying to stir shit.....

For the OP, shut up, dont say a word, dont get cocky, they will get ya sooner or later if you do act like an asshole....Believe you me......You may get away with being an ass for the moment, but it will haunt you....
I have my name marked for being a prick when i was a kid to some officers, I learned my lesson, but just a couple of yrs ago it was brought to my attention im still flagged as having a violent temper to authorities.....The incident was over a decade previous....
The old song goes i fought the law, and the law won!!!
Theres some good info in that song...They are the biggest gang out there kids!!!

[morty]

shitty way to give people a scare that are trying to improve their well being. I call bullshit

[pseclint]

I personally don't believe the OPs story for a minute. Why is he spending so much time explaining his situation and why is he on a BB board asking for legal advice? If your story is legit then I apologize, but it seems a little sketchy to me.

I would personally run here for advice if this happened to me, I might PM members instead but there is a lot of great guys on this board.......

[morty]

I notice a lot of UGL bashing lately and this could be another tactic to put a scare into people using them.
possession of aas is legal in Canada and pretty hard to prove that you purchased them if your source is on the ball

[pseclint]

I notice a lot of UGL bashing lately and this could be another tactic to put a scare into people using them.
possession of aas is legal in Canada and pretty hard to prove that you purchased them if your source is on the ball

he said his source is well known..... chances are they want the source

[BDH]

The only reason you would EVER want to walk into a police station to talk to them is if you're ready to spill your guts and drop names... therefore...

[morty]

My point was that he would have nothing to worry about, but I think he is just trying to use a scare tactic instead of the usual bashing you hear all the time

[Mr Ontario]

lol your guys are funny. Look it, first of all... the RCMP when you called them WOULD NOT have told you why they stopped by lol Why would they give you the heads up??? so you can get a story together, so you can clean house? No police force will do that. So i hardly doubt they told you why they stopped by.... not to mention who you even ask to talk to on the phone when you called... so sorry the entire post sounds fishy to me!!!!

[bigtavi8]

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[Mr Ontario]

Sorry I missed this post... but I'm with PdH on this one... come on guys common sense prevails :)


Ok then John Dillenger, care to explain how you managed this? You just walked to the fingerprinting room on your own and went through the process without being disturbed right? What a hero. The thing that annoys me more than anything else is when people think I'm stupid enough to believe their outrageous bullshit.

I personally don't believe the OPs story for a minute. Why is he spending so much time explaining his situation and why is he on a BB board asking for legal advice? If your story is legit then I apologize, but it seems a little sketchy to me.

[PdH]

I would personally run here for advice if this happened to me, I might PM members instead but there is a lot of great guys on this board.......

Yes there are a lot of great guys on this board, however, would you PM them for advice on dental work or bowel surgery? I don't know, it just seems like common sense to me that if you've been directly contacted by LE about an order that your first response would be to contact a lawyer, not hope that a layman's interpretation of the law is correct.

The advice given here has been a hodgepodge of decent, partly right, partly wrong, and completely wrong. Assuming the OPs post is legit, do you think he can identify which is which?

[pseclint]

Yes there are a lot of great guys on this board, however, would you PM them for advice on dental work or bowel surgery? I don't know, it just seems like common sense to me that if you've been directly contacted by LE about an order that your first response would be to contact a lawyer, not hope that a layman's interpretation of the law is correct.

The advice given here has been a hodgepodge of decent, partly right, partly wrong, and completely wrong. Assuming the OPs post is legit, do you think he can identify which is which?

absolutely not, however being in distress and having no experience with the law he can go to a site an anonymously ask for advice and information...... although a lot of it is wrong and misguided he might not want to go to family and friends for any kind of advice

[natenator]

absolutely not, however being in distress and having no experience with the law he can go to a site an anonymously ask for advice and information...... although a lot of it is wrong and misguided he might not want to go to family and friends for any kind of advice
and the correct answer Alex is: CALL A LAWYER

[slick rick]

and the correct answer Alex is: CALL A LAWYER

Sorry.. you are wrong nate.. it must be answered in the form of a question.

[natenator]

Sorry.. you are wrong nate.. it must be answered in the form of a question.
LOL

oopsies!

[bigtavi8]

Alex- the answer over to big tav nate ****ed up on that one so he loses 100 points.
Now :what should young muscle do with the RCMP bullshit"

Tav- "WHAT IS call a lawyer and stop asking sketchy questions on a BB forum ."

Correct!:laugh

[youngmuscle]

Guys this story is totally legit, i swear, and maybe you guys are right I shgould have just gone to a lawyer I have never ever had an issue with the law and i was shell shocked. They did tell me when i called why they stopped by. Everything I have said thus far as been the hoenst truth.

The whole situation is ****ed up and one i have never heard tell of. I read alot of posts here and on ther forums and its just odd in ever way.\

Thanks to all for the advice

[japh]

pdh- calling a cop on his B.S. and fingerprinting myself certainly does not make me Jon Dilenger. I've seen the movie. He was a badass. I was pissed I got pinched for being stupid enough for being around the wrong person at the wrong time for a silly amount. I knew what they were trying to do and was pissed about that too. As soon as he tried to get me to to roll after already telling him not to even bother I got even more pissed and went off on him for wasting both of our time.

When fingerprinted they walk you into a room and hold your hand and tell you which finger to do and when manually rolling your finger over the ink and paper for you so as to get a proper print. Its all very awkward to be helped with but of course the reason they help is to get it done right and because people naturally don't normally know how to fingerprint themselves. The paper smudges easily and the process has to be repeated until done right. The police officer and I quote "I've never had a guy fingerprint himself for me" lol Police officers don't like doing it because its a pain in the ass but has to be done. I did it to be nice and save both of us the frustration which he did appreciate after. I'm no badass. lol Just making fun of myself for being an idiot in the past. You assumed that by me saying I fingerprinted myself there was not a police officer standing right beside me at the time. There most definately was. lol

Ironwill, I am referring to a time gone by otherwise you'd be absolutely right. I've changed. I have had big problems with false pride, ego, and a huge lack of humility in the past. I've changed the hard way from experience.

[rob66679]

Much to the Chagrin of many on here.....you are right !!
Unless it's 4 vials of crack or heroin, the police won't bother filing out all the reports and doing the necessary investgation and and seeking a warrant. They know that the perpetrator will most surely walk. Unless it rolls into other charges (probation breach etc...) I work in the justice system and have seen lots of potential charges dropped , especially pertaining to drugs . However, I wouldn't recommend calling out the arresting officer(s) and calling their bluff. Karma is a bitch !!:fb

I wouldn't mind knowing what end of the Justice system you work, because its called leverage.
You should look into it.

[cog]

I think LE is jiggling the wire and intercepting all electronic communication.

[guest]

dear god, do not talk to the cops.

[tiramisu]

dear god, do not talk to the cops.

But my mommy said "The police are our friends."

[MMASTAR]

But my mommy said "The police are our friends."

Mom's lie!!

[pseclint]

But my mommy said "The police are our friends."

your mom is banging the cops

[gettinbigger]

Hey man I would have probably come here and posted a message too if this happened to me. I would try to put off getting a lawyer for as long as I could. Everyone who is telling you to "lawyer up" must be made of money because lawyers are NOT your friend. They are expensive ****ers who love the smell of fear. Plus a lot of lawyers are just shitty lawyers...good luck finding a good one.

Also don't expect to get any legal aid or anything like that, you have to be pretty much destitute to qualify in most provinces. The legal system in Canada is ridiculously expensive and if you have to get a lawyer for this you are gonna be paying for it for a long time.

Get as much free advice as possible...I'd really try the "I don't know anything about this" approach.

[juggybuggy]

Yup as an example when I was 16 I was green as the grass. Off-duty cop witnessed me spinning my Uncle's 340 Duster. The box on the steering column wound up locking against the aftermarket headers when I floored it and had it cut to the right wound up spining around on a guys lawn before I got it stopped. Cop was PISSED - real asshole. Called in three more cars put me in back seat of middle one with dome light on all three cars with lights looping around the houses 150 bystanders all looking at me as the guilty one. I had no idea what to expect. They interogated me screamed & yelled intimidated at one point thought one guy was gonna hit me 'till the others pulled him out of there. Asked if I wanted to make a statement. Stupid me said yes, just wanted them to cool down a bit. No lawyer.

I was nievely believing in the justice system to fairly decide my fate we had a good defence with pictures and mechanics testifying how the steering could lock up. To top it off once in court the cop told this whole new story of lies and then left the room without questioning. My jaw dropped to the floor. A cop lying?

One of the biggest lessons I learned in life cops aren't your friends and only one person can look out for number 1 and that's you.

Wound up with criminal record for dangerous driving 2 yrs lost license 100 hrs community work $ 600 to fix buddy's lawn.

Similar thing happened to me. was charged with a fairly serious driving offence by a cop whom I had made enemies with. it was a total bullshit charge fabricated by the cop, and both him and I knew it was bullshit.
I took it to court, naively believing that justice will prevail.
I watched that cop lie his face off, and guess who the judge believed. I spent some time in jail, paid a big fine, and lost my licence for a year, for something I never did. true story.
that was almost 15 years ago, and I'm still bitter about it.

[Victor85]

Yeah, make sure you have a lawyer with you. It is not smart to go talk to them alone.
Its a double edge sword, the police might think you are hiding something if u got a lawyer, but at the same time they can and will use anything you tell them.
In my experience, police tend to back down and tend not go through with charges if they know you are prepared. IMO

[guest]

you have no obligation to go for an interview. you don't know who or why you were sent the goods. end of story.
they will try small talk to put you at ease, accuse you of acting guilty or threaten you with things like obstruction of justice to open communication. all an attempt to give you enough rope to hang yourself. you simply reaffirm that you have no idea what it's about and then ask them if you are under arrest or free to go.
if you don't talk to them you won't need a lawyer. if they dont ask you questions and you have cuffs on, then it's time for a lawyer.

[cog]

Hey man I would have probably come here and posted a message too if this happened to me. I would try to put off getting a lawyer for as long as I could. Everyone who is telling you to "lawyer up" must be made of money because lawyers are NOT your friend. They are expensive ****ers who love the smell of fear. Plus a lot of lawyers are just shitty lawyers...good luck finding a good one.

Also don't expect to get any legal aid or anything like that, you have to be pretty much destitute to qualify in most provinces. The legal system in Canada is ridiculously expensive and if you have to get a lawyer for this you are gonna be paying for it for a long time.

Get as much free advice as possible...I'd really try the "I don't know anything about this" approach.


X2.

[Mr Ontario]

Exactly... don't waste your $$ on a lawyer... until you know your in shit for real.


you have no obligation to go for an interview. you don't know who or why you were sent the goods. end of story.
they will try small talk to put you at ease, accuse you of acting guilty or threaten you with things like obstruction of justice to open communication. all an attempt to give you enough rope to hang yourself. you simply reaffirm that you have no idea what it's about and then ask them if you are under arrest or free to go.
if you don't talk to them you won't need a lawyer. if they dont ask you questions and you have cuffs on, then it's time for a lawyer.

[natenator]

Hey man I would have probably come here and posted a message too if this happened to me. I would try to put off getting a lawyer for as long as I could. Everyone who is telling you to "lawyer up" must be made of money because lawyers are NOT your friend. They are expensive ****ers who love the smell of fear. Plus a lot of lawyers are just shitty lawyers...good luck finding a good one.

Also don't expect to get any legal aid or anything like that, you have to be pretty much destitute to qualify in most provinces. The legal system in Canada is ridiculously expensive and if you have to get a lawyer for this you are gonna be paying for it for a long time.

Get as much free advice as possible...I'd really try the "I don't know anything about this" approach.
boy are you clueless.

a good lawyer is like a good accountant - they are invaluable in saving your ass when the time comes.

It has nothing to do with being made of money. It has to do with keeping your ass out of jail and that to me is worth spending a few bucks on whether I got the money or not. You can make money out of jail...

There's a reason OJ is considered broke - he paid most of everything he had to his legal team and guess what? He's not in jail. So you tell, mostly broke and still able to platy some golf now and again or being budda's bitch?

You have a bias against Lawyers as I'm sure most of us do but you should not let your bias impair your judgement when giving others advice. Its not your life.

[natenator]

Having a lawyer does not imply guilt. It implies you trust in the legal system and cops have a job to do and it's a lawyers job to keep a cop job to the letter of the law.

ANY cop will tell you they hate when people in for questioning lawyer up. why? Because they have to run everything by the books which means no dirty tactics to get you to talk. Most people don't have the ability to sit and look out the window while keeping their mouth shut for 48 hours while being "questioned".

A few hundred bucks for me to retain a lawyer initially for questioning purposes is not that much. I know guys who spend that on 1 kit of GH alone which last half a month.

People saying save your money need to get your priorities right. Nickel smart, dollar stupid.

[Mr Ontario]

Lets put it this way, if you feel confident enough to know to keep you mouth shut and know what to say or not to say when needed, and know anything about how the law works/ or how the police work & your tight for cash I would not bother with a lawyer until you know for sure your being charged...

If your being charged then ask that you would like to speak to a lawyer... Calling a lawyer now, there just going to advice you the same thing most of these guys on here are telling you.... keep your mouth shut and call me when the time is needed.
Lets not forget your not getting charged here with an indictable offense lol or they be banging at your door every day, hence don't be expecting to be sitting in jail over night :)

[TryGear]

anyone else figure that since it was 7 days ago that the officer "asked" you to come in for questioning, that he most likely has nothing legit or nothing he can make stick????
seems to me that normal police logic would be " we have enough to lay charges, so lets lay charges"........ not " lets tip him off that we may want to lay charges in the future so he can hide any evidence we may need"?

[natenator]

anyone else figure that since it was 7 days ago that the officer "asked" you to come in for questioning, that he most likely has nothing legit or nothing he can make stick????
seems to me that normal police logic would be " we have enough to lay charges, so lets lay charges"........ not " lets tip him off that we may want to lay charges in the future so he can hide any evidence we may need"?
I don't think we're talking in relation to the original post but rather what you should do in general when contacted by the police about your illegal activities.

[TryGear]

lol guess I missed something in the 10 pages of posts.

[natenator]

lol guess I missed something in the 10 pages of posts.
maybe some still are but I know I'm not.

Someone in LE contacts me about my known illegal activities my first call or words are: LAWYER!

[cog]

you have no obligation to go for an interview. you don't know who or why you were sent the goods. end of story.
they will try small talk to put you at ease, accuse you of acting guilty or threaten you with things like obstruction of justice to open communication. all an attempt to give you enough rope to hang yourself. you simply reaffirm that you have no idea what it's about and then ask them if you are under arrest or free to go.
if you don't talk to them you won't need a lawyer. if they dont ask you questions and you have cuffs on, then it's time for a lawyer.

I believe you are essentially correct.LE is beating the bushes.Surely OP has a cell phone?They could talk to him right now.

[cog]

boy are you clueless.

a good lawyer is like a good accountant - they are invaluable in saving your ass when the time comes.

It has nothing to do with being made of money. It has to do with keeping your ass out of jail and that to me is worth spending a few bucks on whether I got the money or not. You can make money out of jail...

There's a reason OJ is considered broke - he paid most of everything he had to his legal team and guess what? He's not in jail. So you tell, mostly broke and still able to platy some golf now and again or being budda's bitch?

You have a bias against Lawyers as I'm sure most of us do but you should not let your bias impair your judgement when giving others advice. Its not your life.
Last I heard OJ was in jail for a long time.

[cog]

I don't think we're talking in relation to the original post but rather what you should do in general when contacted by the police about your illegal activities.

No,we are in fact talking about OP's predicament.Why get into generalities?

[natenator]

Last I heard OJ was in jail for a long time.
not for the ****ing murders. Don't be a dumbass.

[guest]

I believe you are essentially correct.LE is beating the bushes.Surely OP has a cell phone?They could talk to him right now.

as one of the few here that has actually been through this, not talking out of my ass, i can only suggest what i know first hand to works.

[cog]

not for the ****ing murders. Don't be a dumbass.

Yes,basically for those murders.They set him up.

[gingerbreadman]

Similar thing happened to me. was charged with a fairly serious driving offence by a cop whom I had made enemies with. it was a total bullshit charge fabricated by the cop, and both him and I knew it was bullshit.
I took it to court, naively believing that justice will prevail.
I watched that cop lie his face off, and guess who the judge believed. I spent some time in jail, paid a big fine, and lost my licence for a year, for something I never did. true story.
that was almost 15 years ago, and I'm still bitter about it.


Damn right, 22 yrs ago for me so I'm pretty much over it now but I tell ya for years I knew that cop's address and I had visions of doing all sorts of nasty things..........but never did. The ****head

[cog]

as one of the few here that has actually been through this, not talking out of my ass, i can only suggest what i know first hand to works.

I think an additional edge LE has these days are Internet and phone records.In any event they don't appear to have OP at the top of their list.

[Mr Ontario]

and that is again, just to refresh us :)


as one of the few here that has actually been through this, not talking out of my ass, i can only suggest what i know first hand to works.

[BAM]

People who thimk they are smarter than the cops are all sitting in kingston right now...

Cops are morons. Barely over 64 IQ on average.

(edited for accuracy)

[tiramisu]

By defininition 100 is the average I.Q. A "moron" is 50-69 and under. ~65% of the population fall within 1 standard deviation of the mean 90-110.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

[BAM]

By defininition 100 is the average I.Q. A "moron" is 50-69 and under. ~65% of the population fall within 1 standard deviation of the mean 90-110.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

I stand corrected. I'll adjust the original post. ;)

[MuSuLPhReAk]

To the OP, did a little research online on this. Canada relevant.
Maybe a little reading here can help you.
http://www.legalinfo.org/legal-information/legal-information-content/you-and-the-police.html

Here is another one
http://www.defencelaw.com/police-questioning.html


Police ask me to come to the station for questioning. Should I go? If I do, what should I say?

It is almost always best not to go or say anything. You have a right to remain silent. If you do make a statement to police, signed or oral, the Crown may be able to use it in evidence against you. If you've been arrested or detained police must tell you that you can immediately contact a lawyer. If you say you want to do so, police must hold off further questioning until you've spoken with one. A lawyer will likely tell you not to answer police questions. But once you've spoken to a lawyer, police may question you further.

Generally, it is best to meet with a lawyer before you co-operate with police. You should fully discuss the benefits and consequences of co-operation.

The best advice I can give to the general population of the site is to really consider if purchasing prescription meds online is worth it. It may be 1 person in this situation now or 100 in the future. The choice is ultimately yours to make. What I do ask of all of you is if you're going to go down this route, out of respect for everyone on this site, keep that stuff away from here. You put everyone in danger if you bring that stuff here. There are competitors with their name out there, members who aren't anonymous, advertisers with businesses etc. The rules are put in place here to protect everyone. CBB is a bodybuilding board and NOT a steroid board. Respect the safety of everyone here by following the rules. If you can't, then you are not welcome here.

[natenator]

CBB is a bodybuilding board and NOT a steroid board.

Bingo.

[morty]

The best advice I can give to the general population of the site is to really consider if purchasing prescription meds online is worth it. It may be 1 person in this situation now or 100 in the future. The choice is ultimately yours to make. What I do ask of all of you is if you're going to go down this route, out of respect for everyone on this site, keep that stuff away from here. You put everyone in danger if you bring that stuff here. There are competitors with their name out there, members who aren't anonymous, advertisers with businesses etc. The rules are put in place here to protect everyone. CBB is a bodybuilding board and NOT a steroid board. Respect the safety of everyone here by following the rules. If you can't, then you are not welcome here.

Well said, there is other boards out there that will give you all the info on this matter.

[michealJ]

I was waiting for you to come in and put a stop to this, Thanks!
M




The best advice I can give to the general population of the site is to really consider if purchasing prescription meds online is worth it. It may be 1 person in this situation now or 100 in the future. The choice is ultimately yours to make. What I do ask of all of you is if you're going to go down this route, out of respect for everyone on this site, keep that stuff away from here. You put everyone in danger if you bring that stuff here. There are competitors with their name out there, members who aren't anonymous, advertisers with businesses etc. The rules are put in place here to protect everyone. CBB is a bodybuilding board and NOT a steroid board. Respect the safety of everyone here by following the rules. If you can't, then you are not welcome here.

[Mr Ontario]

I still would like an update on this from the thread starter as the story like I said sounded a little off!! :)

[Krozone]

My .02 cents.

(I may be wrong)

He was stirring up shit. He got my attention for a few minutes there till I noticed he was not taking any advice, didn't seem that phased... Continued to Rock The Boat. (i.e. The Source being very well known = Everyone watch out!!! )

I call BS 100%

[megwell]

IMO
If it were to happen to me..........
I would call the police.......... ask them what it's about......... then ask them if i'm being charged for anything........ if the answer is no........... I would say have a good day.
If they said yes and were putting out a warrent for my arrest and they nab me... once they arrest me and question me....... i would say I want a lawyer....... plain and simple.

I know for a fact....... they wont do shit for personal use. Even a buddy of mine had his drawer at worked broken into by co workers and the called he police....RCMP came down and looked at the stuff and said they won't touch it because it looks like it's personal use.
(why my buddy would keep it at his work place is a different issue.

[bottleneckblooz]

IMO
If it were to happen to me..........
I would call the police.......... ask them what it's about......... then ask them if i'm being charged for anything........ if the answer is no........... I would say have a good day.
If they said yes and were putting out a warrent for my arrest and they nab me... once they arrest me and question me....... i would say I want a lawyer....... plain and simple.

I know for a fact....... they wont do shit for personal use. Even a buddy of mine had his drawer at worked broken into by co workers and the called he police....RCMP came down and looked at the stuff and said they won't touch it because it looks like it's personal use.
(why my buddy would keep it at his work place is a different issue.

WTF?? Your buddy should of pressed charges for them breaking into his drawer.

[Mr Ontario]

He has a point.... even if someone has been fired/dismissed or quit. Your the one who has to go back with supervising to remove your items from your locker...as more then likely there is stuff in it that is personal property that your going to want back. Although having juice in is why he may not have done so, but personal use, I would have no problem doing so. :)


WTF?? Your buddy should of pressed charges for them breaking into his drawer.

[KoN]

.....

[guest]

...


What I do ask of all of you is if you're going to go down this route, out of respect for everyone on this site, keep that stuff away from here. You put everyone in danger if you bring that stuff here. There are competitors with their name out there, members who aren't anonymous, advertisers with businesses etc.

[ironwill]

......

sigh....

[tiramisu]

......

Did you really type that?

[lv 426]

It's american but it's worth a look (its long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[blp]

if it was small order, has to be clen , custom dont care , clen could had interfere with other type clen like type no polymer no blocker , then they knock at door for real, something in that story make no sense ,,,what happen ,, how did it end ?